Denon DVD-3930 & DVD-2930 w/Realta T2 Chip Coming September- - Page 152

Anyone know if this will work for the 3930 also?

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Dono

In past versions, each player had it's own fw. So, I don't think this will work for the 3930.

Mike T

Thank you. I burned it to an old CD-RW and it worked on my 2930CI.
Display says something like "Reading Data..."
then "Erase"
then "Writing"
then "Completed"

I then powered off and on.

Took a minute or two...

You are welcome.

They have slighty different circuits on the digital output side so I think it won't work. Maybe you can ask Denon for a new 3930 one, like I did

The firmware for the 3930 is different. Don't even attempt to use the 2930 firmware in your player. Your 3930 may cease to function and may require service from Denon.

Correct, Don't even think about it to try to flash a wrong version on your player.

DVD-3930 needs 3930 firmware
DVD-2930 needs 2930 firmware

And that's the last word written about it.

Dutchman01

One thing I noticed (that isn't a big deal to me) is after the firmware upgrade I can't switch display modes while a CD is playing via remote. I used to be able to do that. No biggie though.

Nice sounding player... makes digital music more enjoyable to listen to. I thought about picking up a 2nd unit when Vann's had them priced at $169 recently... but, decided to pass.

I'd love to check out a DCD 1650SE or DCD 2010AE (CD /SACD player), but, those are only sold in Japan and Europe.. sigh.

I can still switch from the remote the resolutions while playing a CD. That's what you ment?

From the remote you can toggle between display "normal", "mode1", "mode2", "all off" while a CD is playing (you program mode1 & mode2 to if you want video circuit shut off, HDMI & the fluorescent display).

Now I have to pause/or stop the disc to switch these modes, but, the player resumes where I paused so no biggie. Maybe it's a feature that shouldn't have been there so they 'fixed' it.

Great sounding player. I think it was a steal for the $169 - $199 Vann's online was selling it for. Looks like they're out of stock now.

The feature you are refering to was changed in the 8283-E firmware. Apparently, it caused problems when playing specfic discs. If you prefer, you can reinstall the older fiirmware.
Which brings to mind.... Does anyone have the changelog for the recent firmware? It would be nice to know what was changed.

I would appreciate your comments to my post regarding the problem I am having with a brand new 2930CI that I picked up for $165

Link: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1203223


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I wonder if a firmware update will help resolve this problem and make the RS-232 port respond

How do I check the current firmware on the 2930CI? I searched through all thesetup screens OSD but couldnt find it

I see a link posted above on the firmware itself, are there any steps on how to do this? I read in one of the older posts that there are differences between how we flash the firmware between the 2930 and 2930CI units and I would like to use the correct method.

I am looking at this beautiful player (albeit Made in China) , currently resting on the floor and hate to part with it for the other flimsy alternatives.. I love the PQ and the audio and it is definitely an upgrade from my 1940CI. I noticed it pairs better with my Denon 4806CI and NHT VT1.2, NHT VS2A, NHT SW10, Mirage Omnisat surround with Universal Control MSC-400, MX-5000, MX-6000 setup

You are lucky... I have paid $199 and I was thinking I am lucky
This is what Denon rep told me to do:

Thanks, I did that and the display reads BE 8283-A

Hi rman,

I read your other post regarding the RS-232 issue and it sounds like you have a defective unit. Not so much based on the fact that it won't respond on the RS-232 port but the fact that it is so sluggish with the original remote and faceplate buttons.

I just purchased my 2930 a few months ago, it had a firmware older than yours and it had no issues responding to the remote and/or faceplate buttons. Matter of fact, response is very quick, so I don't think a firmware update will fix it. Aside from trying to do some sort of system reset on your 2930( I see you tried pulling the power cord but it was only temporary), I would call Denon to see if they have a solution, otherwise, it should probably be returned or sent to Denon for service. Good luck!

Mike T

To completly initialize the player, from stop condition, press in the same time the 2 buttons "PLAY" and "SKIP FFD" until "INITIALIZE" apears on the display. All user settings will be lost.

LE:
I think this is interesting. Thanks to michidragon for his research:

I called Denon about the dead RS232 port on my 2930ci and they referred me to a local repair shop. I called them and the guy appeared clueless about what needs to be done to fix the port and also said it was his first time running into an issue like this.

Does anyone know what part needs to be replaced to fix the RS232 port? How complex is this repair?

Attached are 2 parts that are related to the comm port. First one it is on the power board, then a connector goes to the main board (and another to video board, but that is working). Signals that are interesting for you are Sel, TxD and RxD.
Check first the connector between boards to be inserted properly. Tha part that is missing from the Tx, Rx on the main board goes straight to the main uP, so that's nothing to do there.
After that I would check the parts that are on the power board.

wow, thanks for that information..I dont know how to use it though but still, I appreciate your help.

On another note:
I have about had it with the 2930CI. Today, i placed a DVD into the unit and tried to play, it would stutter and skip and do all kinds of nonsense. I then tried it on the 1940CI which played it. While I agree the quality of build on the 2930CI appears solid, I am dismayed at the quality of the unit itself which has been the worst on any electronic product that I have purchased in my life. How can a brand new unit have these problems? It is going right back to Denon and I know that because Vanns has stopped pushing these units through its clearance section.. Because they are total crap.

I guess I am now in the market for a decent Bluray player which can do upscaling on SD. I dont want to spend $600 for that 3800BDCI knowing that in a year, it will be sold for $200. Any suggestions on a decent bluray player in the $100 to $180 range? Returning the 2930CI will free up about $170 of my cash which I can use for the bluray player. I dont need RS-232 although it would be a nice to have.

The fact that you have a defective unit doesn't make it "total crap". There are thousands sold in years of manufacture, if it was such a bad product it woldn't last that much on market. Return it and done deal.
PS: It has some weaknesess, maybe. But what you describe is not a normal occurance. And on all the other brands you will see unlucky people.

rman66, I understand your frustration but as SoNic67 said, it's not total crap. You just were one of the unlucky ones to get a defective unit. Unfortunately, with every CE mfgr, someone will draw a dud. Too bad you had to draw the 2930 dud.

If you're looking for a BD player in the range you mentioned, the one that should fill the bill is the JVC XV-BP1. It will give you excellent BD PQ and it is known to be quite good with SD upconversion. See the link below for the AVS JVC owner's thread and while you're at it, check the pricing deals link in the BD forum, as there have been some sweet deals on this player.
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=1131998

Mike T

The first unit Vann's sent me was a dud.. most likely a misaligned laser assy.
I opted for an exchange (at their cost) instead of refund since it did play CDs and I liked what I heard. The second unit sent was fine. Also, I purchased 2 Sanyo replacement Laser assemblies from MCM (~$12 each) just to keep on hand.

And, within 2 weeks, Vann's dropped the price to $179. I inquired about a price guarantee and they refunded me $20. I have a positive impression of Vann's service.

For everything this unit plays (including HDCD) and the very nice sound quality (and I hear the picture is pretty good also), I think $179 was an excellent price. I noticed they lowered the price to $169 before going out of stock.

There was a Yamaha Universal player being blown out at $35 shipped on the internet. I think it upsampled CDs to 24bit/192khz and also did HDCD. I haven't heard it, but, I'd be surprised if it bettered the Denon in sound quality.

Mike
thanks for your note. I considered buying the JVC but decided against it and instead bought a Sony BDPS560 for $160 (open box at J&R with a $20 off coupon). It had the ethernet port, wifi connectivity and also a better UI. I prefered these to slightly faster but no frills JVC. I know I am taking a bit of a risk here, buying an open box item so keeping my fingers crossed. The 2930CI will be returned.

The 2930CI is being sold as a "high end" "audio phile" DVD player. It is clear that Denon never bothered to test if the RS-232 port was working. It is this aspect of the Denon operational setup that I find unacceptable. I opened the Denon unit to see if there are any loose connectors and I couldnt find any, I also took some pictures just for the heck of it and will post them here later. I say the 2930 is crap because, although they may be using superior design and superior components and circuitry, they dont have the quality check process to support it. This is not taking into account the poor and shoddy selection or design or process around the laser unit which is causing so much angst among all of you. The 2930CI therefore remains a crappy unit in my books. I like Denon and I love my 4806CI.. just not the 2930CI.

I'll be pleased if someone can help me solve a big trouble with my Denon DVD 3930.

I've bought it 2 and half years ago 27.04.2007.

My connections to/from 3930 are :
Denon DVD 3930 <-> Denon AVR 4306 ... audio cables, 5+1 channels audio cables, digital (optical) cable
Denon DVD 3930 <-> Loewe Individual 46" ... HDMI cable

It worked quite fine until Jan 2009.
I own 300 copy protected cds between mine (they were bought between 2003-2006 when majors started to use this useless method) ... many of them can't be played by my 3930.
Forums suggested to upgrade Denon firmware.
I did.
(update data are :
BE 8284-8
MD 111
DSP 8250
IP 060802
).
Update went right.
Suddenly my Denon started to freeze 3-5 seconds in a random way when I play my audio cds.
Some forums suggests to upgrade Realta firmware too in a Denon authorized center.
I took my 3930 in it.
Engineer told me that my problem is caused by optical lens and in 1 month and half gave my Denon back to me after substituting optical parts.
Result : it freezes again but now without end, 3930 had to be switched off in order to play again till another freeze.
I'm angry.
I took my 3930 back again to Denon authorized center : engineer told me he didn't noticed the problem and again substitutes optical parts.
After 2 weeks he phoned me it was ok.
The day I phoned to him in order to take my 3930 back home he said this time he noticed my problem and he would analized it to solve it.
After 2 weeks he phoned me it is ok.
I took it home again : this time he substituted mechanical tray and upgraded firmware.
(I verified data :
BE 8284-A
MD C09
DSP 8250
IP 060802
).
Result : it freezes again and now when I switch on my Loewe TV 3930 stop working for 5 seconds and the same if I switch my Loewe TV off.
I'm very very very angry.


Is there someone who is able to solve this sfinx question ?


(Now my Sony RDR-HDX 1090 plays my audio cds and dvds waiting for Denon DVD 3930 to resurge)




status update ... the only way to listen to audio cd is to unplug HDMI cable




new status update : from September to yesterday Italian Denon authorised center took care of my Denon DVD 3930.
They substitute some other parts that I am not informed to.
They substitute an integrated circuit in order to upgrade video firmware too.
(I verified data :
BE 8284-A
MD C09
DSP 8250
IP 070518
)
My problem is still here : my Denon starts to freeze 3-5 seconds in a random way when I play my audio cds.


help me !

It's about ten months that I cannot use it !!!
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Denon AVR 4306, Denon DVD 3930, Loewe Individual 46", Sony RDR-HXD 1090

That's cool! As far as a risk with open box, many times it's about the same risk as getting a lemon on a new in box unit. I've purchased quite a few pieces of my equipment via open box or display and have had pretty good success. If you buy from a reputable dealer, which I would consider J&R to be, you can always return. And of course, the open box still carries full mfgr warranty.

Btw, I've had a Sony 350 BD player and while it was fairly basic, it was an excellent performer with zero issues. You got a pretty good deal on that 560 and I'm sure you'll get great use and enjoyment from it. One of the nice things about Sony BD players, those much needed firmware updates that are unfortunately a fact of life for Blu, are always released in a very timely manner. Enjoy your new toy.

Mike T

Dear sergiov_it: Try to turn the HDMI output off and check if the problem persists when listenig to CDs.

I just have received mu Denon AVR 3805 to replace my old Harman Kardon AVR 220. Connected the DVD-2930 via DenonLink and... wow. I couldn't think there can be much difference compared to analog multi, but it is. I love it.

Hello,

Back from the amateur's table corner, I just installed a new Sanyo laser lens. It doesn't look 100% as the former one but it fits in the player.
I haven't tried to power the unit since there is one spring whose origin I can't determine. The manual doesn't tells about this particular spring so i guess it comes from the traverse unit (which is supposed to be integrated).

Maybe someone will have a cue? (it is a little bigger than the two that serve to block the two thin pieces of metal holding the lens).

If I can't find it, I guess I would still have the option to buy a traverse unit.

Thanks

See the discution here. Maybe it helps...

I'm almost sure that this spring should be placed between the laser head and its white plastic support. Unfortunately, I don't have a picture to show you the exact place.