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post #4891 of 4938
Hello everyone !

I have a difficult question that you could answer. smile.gif

Is there, today, a blu-ray player more powerful in terms of upscaling than the venerable DVD-3930CI.
Some argue that the PS3 has a better picture quality than the 3930. I have the ps3 and the 3930CI and it is undoubtedly than my DVD-3930ci delivers a better picture and better sound especially!

Today, I'd buy a blu-ray player better than the 3930CI for dvd.

What do you think of DBP-2012UD? or better, the Onkyo BD-SP809 THX certified?

I sincerely believe that the BD-SP809 is better in terms of image quality but I suspect the DVD-3930CI is much better in audio ...

Thanks for your help.

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post #4892 of 4938
Many new BD players I've seen are lacking SACD true multi channel analog outputs. Elves playing with PCM streams/bytes from the player with Doobie Dolby names/etc don't count, IMHO. I like the "picture Show" from the 3930 and I especially liked my price. Peace. Regards.
post #4893 of 4938
You're right and that's why I keep my 3930CI. But with regard to the video upscaling? The Marvell Qdeo chip of the Onkyo Sp-809 is better than the Realta HQV ? I love the musicality of the Denon 3930 but I want to know if current scaler are not more powerful.
post #4894 of 4938
Hello, still no response. I guess anyone know these devices ... It would be nice to share this knowledge! rolleyes.gif
post #4895 of 4938
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Originally Posted by Martin Rock View Post

Hello, still no response. I guess anyone know these devices ... It would be nice to share this knowledge! rolleyes.gif
the Oppo players do a pretty good job (ie. BDP-95, BDP-103, BDP-105).
post #4896 of 4938
My next player would be an Oppo unit [BDP-95 or 105] with the "Audio Enhanced" SABRE Refernce Audio DAC option. I dont think it would out perform the 3930 but to be honest, I have a stereo system for that competition. But with that said I have had the 3930 on the front end of the stereo and it is excellent in audio reproduction on redbook CD's. I broke down and got a Roku XDS for Netflix and other streaming video and thats great for what it does so I didnt go Oppo and make my Denon obsolete yet. The library for music video documentaries and concerts is growing as well so I will be appreciating the Denon more moving forward with these pieces as apposed to just THX2 moving my coffee table around during the next Lucas film viewing.
post #4897 of 4938
Thank you.Too bad he did not receive THX certification.
post #4898 of 4938
Do you think your 3930 will become obsolete before the laser fails? Reading about all the bad laser luck these players have I'm wondering if any, other than a few are still operational. Mine has a fresh laser and is still going "strong" after 3 months. Anyone else have any longevity stories? Regards.
post #4899 of 4938
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Originally Posted by teac4010 View Post

Do you think your 3930 will become obsolete before the laser fails? Reading about all the bad laser luck these players have I'm wondering if any, other than a few are still operational. Mine has a fresh laser and is still going "strong" after 3 months. Anyone else have any longevity stories? Regards.

Hi,
I am still using my 3930 (region free) as a DVD player. I have not found a better DVD player on the market.
In addition I have an Oppo BDP83SE as a bluray player and music player.
The 3930 is a keeper in my view.
post #4900 of 4938
3930 six years and a month old. 60% DVD (several hundreds of plays), 40% CD, occasional SACD. First 4 years 1080P out. Last 2 years 480i to a Radiance XS. Which may be slightly better. Or not. Also last 2 years a Pioneer BDP-320 for the small number of Blu-rays I have. The 3930 worked fine as of three days ago.

I am very pleased with this unit. Excellent PQ via HDMI and SQ via analog out. Region free and good PQ on the very few European PAL DVDs I have. It will stay in service for the foreseeable future.
post #4901 of 4938
How is the PQ comparing the 3930 to your Pioneer BD player? HDTV vs 3930 on my projector is pretty close, how much better do you think BD is going to be? Regards.
post #4902 of 4938
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Originally Posted by teac4010 View Post

How is the PQ comparing the 3930 to your Pioneer BD player? HDTV vs 3930 on my projector is pretty close, how much better do you think BD is going to be? Regards.

I have a several-year old Sony Ruby and a Screen Research woven AT screen. When I got the 3930 the PQ was better than I thought DVDs could be. But at 11.5 ft from a 80" wide screen Blu-ray can be much better. This is not to say all BR titles. And some DVDs are very, very good.
post #4903 of 4938
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Originally Posted by teac4010 View Post

How is the PQ comparing the 3930 to your Pioneer BD player? HDTV vs 3930 on my projector is pretty close, how much better do you think BD is going to be? Regards.

I have an older Pioneer BDP-05FD Blu-Ray player. I find that that the DVD picture is sharper and has less noise than the Denon DVD-3930CI. I also have an Oppo BDP83SE, the picture quality is also better than the Denon. What really surprised me was how much better the sound was on the Pioneer and the Oppo was over the Denon when playing back CDs with the players doing the decoding. The Denon was a lot noisier and not as focussed as the other two players (the Oppo is a tad superior to the Pioneer in CD playback. Probably because it uses stacked ESS DACS). FYI, I am using a JVC RS-1 DiLA projector with an Onkyo TX-NR906 receiver with the video signal passing through.
post #4904 of 4938
I had good fortune due to this thread. I bought the 2930 to upgrade my 2910 (sold it) as I wanted DL3 to go to my 3808 and the Reon. I used the 2930 (bought in 2008) for two years until 2010 and put it in it's box in the bsmt for two years. Then when I set it up again in 2012 it was not loading disc's properly ..click, click........cd's, dvd's all types of disc's. I was kind of surprised as I had never had loading or disc skip/ disc stopping issues with the 2930.

Then I read this thread about the laser's from e-bay. I talked to my local Denon dealer (they have a casualty dept) and the repair guy said it would be about $150 (assuming he could still get his hands on the laser) to repair for parts and labor. I told him I could get a laser.........he said it would be one hour of labor to install the new laser. So I ordered the laser from Liberty for about $18 delivered (to Canada) and had the install done which cost $66.

Now my 2930 works perfectly..........have tried all types of disc's and everything loads and plays like brand new (SACD...all layers, DVD Audio, cd , dvd's etc). I did not want to give up this player even though I have an Oppo 83 and 103.

Very happy!! This is still a very good player and has great audio quality from any of it's outputs including the analog.
Edited by JKR1963 - 5/16/13 at 5:46pm
post #4905 of 4938
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Originally Posted by Bordeaux Guy View Post

My next player would be an Oppo unit [BDP-95 or 105] with the "Audio Enhanced" SABRE Refernce Audio DAC option. I dont think it would out perform the 3930 but to be honest, I have a stereo system for that competition. But with that said I have had the 3930 on the front end of the stereo and it is excellent in audio reproduction on redbook CD's
I have the latest Oppo players (BDP-103 & BDP-105), I'm hoping to test soon. I had my DVD-3930CI for maybe 4 years, I loved the sound, CD playback was the best (I thought), SACD/DVD-A playback especially good, very spacial and warm, musical. I'm very curious to listen to BDP-105 presentation
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Originally Posted by teac4010 View Post

Do you think your 3930 will become obsolete before the laser fails? Reading about all the bad laser luck these players have I'm wondering if any, other than a few are still operational. Mine has a fresh laser and is still going "strong" after 3 months. Anyone else have any longevity stories? Regards.
my DVD-3930CI had laser replaced at least twice. Was sent back to Mawah NJ headquarters, $300.00USD each time. This is why I decided to sell, otherwise I would have held-onto.
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Originally Posted by Jon S View Post

I have an older Pioneer BDP-05FD Blu-Ray player. I find that that the DVD picture is sharper and has less noise than the Denon DVD-3930CI. I also have an Oppo BDP83SE, the picture quality is also better than the Denon. What really surprised me was how much better the sound was on the Pioneer and the Oppo was over the Denon when playing back CDs with the players doing the decoding
Hey Jon, I finally sold my Pioneer BDP-05, it really was an outstanding CD player, definitely held it's own to the DVD-3930CI I thought, very good, but different? I felt, both, the DVD-3930CI and BDP-05FD were great reference-like players.
post #4906 of 4938
FWIW, my DVD-3930 is still on its original laser with no problems whatsoever on DVDs, SACDs or DVD-As.

I may however be getting rid of it soon as I'm thinking of consolidating a DVD-3930 and Oppo BDP-95 setup into a single Oppo BDP-105.
post #4907 of 4938
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Originally Posted by kucharsk View Post

FWIW, my DVD-3930 is still on its original laser with no problems whatsoever on DVDs, SACDs

Or CDs. I'll get rid of mine when it or I die.smile.gif
post #4908 of 4938
I have a 3930 in my system that I've never used. Looks like It's still got some followers.
post #4909 of 4938
I still have my 3930 and an Oppo BDP-83SE.
I use The 83SE for SACD, DVD-Audio and BluRay.
When it comes to DVD I find the 3930 to be superior.
So as long as I have DVDs the 3930 is a keeper.
post #4910 of 4938
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post #4911 of 4938
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yes, DVD-3930CI is a keeper, as long as no mechanical failures, a beautiful sounding player
post #4912 of 4938
Did anyone keep a copy of the laser unit replacement instructions that where in this thread? I ordered a replacement laser off eBay along time ago but never got around installing it until now.
Unfortunately the instructions that where posted in thins thread have been deleted. I have found the official maintenance manual online but that's incomprehensibility to me frown.gif
post #4913 of 4938
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Originally Posted by BENN0 View Post

Did anyone keep a copy of the laser unit replacement instructions that where in this thread? I ordered a replacement laser off eBay along time ago but never got around installing it until now.
Unfortunately the instructions that where posted in thins thread have been deleted. I have found the official maintenance manual online but that's incomprehensibility to me frown.gif

I'm asking the same question.

My 3930 now refuses to play the SACD layer on most hybrids.
Time to buy the laser and get this thing going.
I'm not quite ready to dump it just yet, though I am considering a dedicated SACD player and keep the Denon for DVD-A/V
post #4914 of 4938
]I'm looking for the same answer to the laser question. I have a 2930ci that I bought at an estate sale a few months ago for $25! I love it but it was increasingly picky about reading CD/DVDs that weren't perfect. And sometimes wouldn't properly read brand new ones. Finally one day I popped one in and it took forever to load...then stayed on 00:00 and wouldn't play at all. I called a Denon shop and they said that was certainly the laser. I bought a new one from Liberty Electronics on Ebay and read a brief little post from someone who had successfully installed a new laser so I followed their directions as best as I could. The new laser is installed but same problem. So....I'm wondering if I did something wrong. The directions I read talked about removing a solder point from the factory that was there to prevent damage due to static charge. I looked and looked at the new laser compared to the old and I couldn't see any point that was different. I'm suspicious that I may have missed something as the directions said that step must be complete or the laser wouldn't read properly. Does anyone have any expertise with this? If so pass it on! If I find out anything else I will pass it on as well.
post #4915 of 4938
I replaced the whole mechanism as I didn't want to run in to alignment issues. But from reading the thread, some have effectively replaced the laser without issue. If you replace the laser and it works, great as only $20. If it fails, need to spend another $100 to get the whole mechanism. Really only risking $20 and losing your player for a bit if it doesn't work.

I think the main thing with replacing only the laser is not to change any of the adjustment screws - don't remove or change any screws that have loctite on them. I just looked at and dissassembled my old mechanism, if I was doing it again I think I would just go with replacing the laser. It only takes removing 2 phillips screws at one end of the rails (opposite end from the disc drive moter) and dissassembles easily. Just don't lose the springs under the rails.

Check posts 4003 to about 4020 or so, there is some good insight there too. I got the complete mechanism from partstore.com, $72 plus shipping, I think your best bet for the laser is e-bay.



WHACKED

Would you remember the placement of those two springs you mentioned please? I was trying to replace the laser on my 3930 and those springs flew out. Luckily I caught them, but I can't figure which way to place them on the mechanism. I would appreciate any advice. Thanks!!!
post #4916 of 4938
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Originally Posted by Whacked! View Post


I replaced the whole mechanism as I didn't want to run in to alignment issues. But from reading the thread, some have effectively replaced the laser without issue. If you replace the laser and it works, great as only $20. If it fails, need to spend another $100 to get the whole mechanism. Really only risking $20 and losing your player for a bit if it doesn't work.


I think the main thing with replacing only the laser is not to change any of the adjustment screws - don't remove or change any screws that have loctite on them. I just looked at and dissassembled my old mechanism, if I was doing it again I think I would just go with replacing the laser. It only takes removing 2 phillips screws at one end of the rails (opposite end from the disc drive moter) and dissassembles easily. Just don't lose the springs under the rails.


Check posts 4003 to about 4020 or so, there is some good insight there too. I got the complete mechanism from partstore.com, $72 plus shipping, I think your best bet for the laser is e-bay.

Whacked, can you remember which way those two springs are placed in your unit please?
I was trying to replace the laser on my 3930 and they both flew out. I can't figure out which way to place them. Any help would be much appreciated, Thanks!
post #4917 of 4938
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Originally Posted by chiselchinmadne View Post

]I'm looking for the same answer to the laser question. I have a 2930ci that I bought at an estate sale a few months ago for $25! I love it but it was increasingly picky about reading CD/DVDs that weren't perfect. And sometimes wouldn't properly read brand new ones. Finally one day I popped one in and it took forever to load...then stayed on 00:00 and wouldn't play at all. I called a Denon shop and they said that was certainly the laser. I bought a new one from Liberty Electronics on Ebay and read a brief little post from someone who had successfully installed a new laser so I followed their directions as best as I could. The new laser is installed but same problem. So....I'm wondering if I did something wrong. The directions I read talked about removing a solder point from the factory that was there to prevent damage due to static charge. I looked and looked at the new laser compared to the old and I couldn't see any point that was different. I'm suspicious that I may have missed something as the directions said that step must be complete or the laser wouldn't read properly. Does anyone have any expertise with this? If so pass it on! If I find out anything else I will pass it on as well.

Post 4175 has a picture of the solder point.
post #4918 of 4938
Thanks for the input. Do you have any know anything about needing to unsolder some type of grounding connection when the laser comes from the factory? Every post that I have read about replacing lasers says that you must perform this task. I'm suspicious this could be what is keeping mine from working. But I'm also going to take it back down and look over the whole mechanism to see if it is sliding properly. From what people say, the lasers on these units don't last very long. I'm up for replacing a $20 laser every now and then but a $100 mechanism makes the whole proposition much less desirable. Thanks for the advice!
post #4919 of 4938
The posts around the 4000 mark give some descriptions.

The photo I described also shows it clearly, but I am new to this myself, so I don't know much either.
post #4920 of 4938
I am looking for a DVD transport with below features:

1- 480i over HDMI (unprocessed as possible)
2- YCbCr 4:2:2 over HDMI
3- RS-232 for control
4- Region free/ multi-system
5- CUE - Chroma bug free


I have verified both 2930ci and 3930ci can do 480i YCbCr 4:2:2 over HDMI, have region free hack(via remote), RS-232 in the back. I can't verify whether this player is CUE free.

I also have Pioneer DV-79AVI for the same purpose, I cant find region free hack and reportedly has minor CUE.

any help is appreciated
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