Denon DVD-3930 & DVD-2930 w/Realta T2 Chip Coming September- - Page 3

man...this is REALLY tempting! D@MN you Denon.....D@mn you all to hell

I'm like BillP....I want to wait for the next-Gen player, but man, this is tempting!!

Honestly I think you are going to be waiting a long time for a decent next-gen player. Personally I'm waiting for a nice HD universal from someone like Denon. Besides you can always trade in your old one

find me a place to trade in, and you got a deal

Me too.

With HD DVD already out for less than half the price of a 3930 it's tempting to go that route too.

I'm just glad I held back when I was ready to pull the trigger on either the 3910 or 79avi last week.

The Toshiba player does a very nice job of upscaling SD too. I was VERY pleasantly surprised. So much, that it's my main player for SD now.

You also have to remember that the Toshiba is not going to compare to the Denon Redbook,SACD and DVDA performance.

I thought I read that the Toshiba units were not passing BTB ?

I know having a 2910 here and my 2900 as my main unit which is going in for repair I am on the fence about getting a newer unit for my dvd and audio listening like the 3939 or get the 2930 depending on its audio compared to the 2900
so that will be the thing for me is how it will do audio and as long as the video is as good or better than the 2900 or 2910 all the better

How much credit do you think Tweeter, etc would give on a 3910 trade-in toward the 3930?

Don't know, I'm going to see what AVS does for me. If it's not worth my time, I'll just give it to my pops and buy the 3930 straight up.

and audio performance is one of the reasons I want the Denon

I thought Tweeter gave you a four month trade up (you pay the difference) timeline.

But my 3910 is 2 years old. If it costs me around $500 to upgrade, I'd be very tempted. But if it's $1000, I'll wait a year, when the 3950 will probably come out with BR and/or HD support.

That makes sense. And this pisses me off a bit. I ended up buying a Sony 3100ES because of the MB issue with the FLI based players. The sony has a fantastic picture, but there are some mechanical quirks that annoy me a little. Now I have to him and haw over whether or not to get this new 3930...what a pain.

I totaly agree with this.
Our local BB had one up-converting SD-DVD. the picture looked pretty good.
I have seen many members on this forum posting how terrible this player was going to play SD-DVD's.
I for one don't think they had seen one playing before posting those comments.

Craig

It's terrible having such difficult life decisions

According to Denon, there will not be a universal player unless someone rewrites the copyright protection laws. Right now it is legally unlawful to have these 2 formats in the same box. It is impossible to do. Of course they did say they were also currently looking for "loopholes" in the law.

Oh baloney, I don't believe for two seconds that there won't be a universal player. What about SACD and DVDA?

Well, you can believe what you want. My info came straight from a Denon rep while I was in their training course. DVD-A and SACD is another ballgame. This also did not happen overnight and SACD digital transmission did not happen for a quite a while (4-5 years) after its introduction. Yes, you may be correct in their will be a universal player but it probably won't happen for a while. I believe the format war may be settled before we actually get a universal and in that case there will be little need.

It seems odd Denon would quietly launch new players in mid summer and not at a CEDIA event. Then again more people are going to want to hear about HD/BR, not improved SD players.

Like many out there I put off buying the 3910 last year because HD/BR was suppose to be around the corner. Now that HD is starting to unfold the more a 3930 player makes sence. As long as the price is right.

Denon always releases their new players in the summer (the 3910 came out 2 years ago around June).

Welcome to the world of electronics. You can always buy a better computer for less money around 6 months after you buy one. The 3910 was a better player than the 5900, for a lot less money, so the 3930 being a better player for the same money as the 3910 does not surprise me at all.

If memory serves me, wasn't the 3910 not available until after the fall CEDIA expo?

I wonder if the 2930 will have i-link as well as Denon-link? I would try it against the 79avi but I do not want to give up the i-link output. It would be a smart move on Denons part but we shall see.

Bill

I'm wondering (and hoping for that) too...we shall see...

If your goal is to output 480i, aren't you foregoing the benefits of the new chip?

No, the 3910 came out in the summer (mine was among the 1st or 2nd batch, with a June build).

Flexibility. There are a lot of makers that output 480i. Denon should too.

"there will not be a universal player unless someone rewrites the copyright protection laws. Right now it is legally unlawful to have these 2 formats in the same box."

To be correct: there are no copyright (or other) laws that disallow dual-format players - there are no federal or state laws that make it illegal per se to have both formats in the same player.

Each patent/copyright holder of their respective format has the right to license the format. Such a right provides the holder with the legal ability to restrict or deny a third party from using the format. A violation of that license right may involve a copyright law. But that is much different than a law which would preclude the third party from attempting to obtain and/or using the two licenses in the same unit, or building and/or selling such a dual-purpose unit.

Additionally, each format has its own organization with rules which prevent/restrict licensing and/or use in a dual-format situation.

Rewriting the copyright laws is not necessary (and would not be a good idea right now in this context). What would be necessary to enable a dual-format player is the reversal of the licensing restrictions in this regard.

There may be other technical reasons why a manufacturer may decide not to market a dual-purpose HD player.

But all this is much different than a civil or criminal statute that seeks to prevent the development and sale of such a player.

If you had to make a guess now which side do you think Denon will support Blu-Ray or HD-DVD?

When would we see a player late 06 or 07?

No hd player until 2007, according to Denon. As to which format, they're "officially" in the BluRay group, but they're sitting on the fence to see where things land.