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post #811 of 2215
Quote:
Originally Posted by dirtydan View Post

This is copied from the HP manual;

Image retention protection: If still image
data displays for more than a few minutes,
the image retention prevention function
activates automatically to protect the
screen. If the image disappears, change the
image or change the input source to see an
image.
I hope you understand that better then I do. lol

Sounds llike a screen saver, although I have never seen this myself. And to be honest I'd rather not try and see if it works

As for video gaming, I've been doing it for a while now w/o any burn-in or IR but then again I'm overly conscious about static images on my plasma
post #812 of 2215
What would be the perfect settings for the break-in phase and then the post break-in phase. I know someone posted them here but I could not find it.

Thanks
post #813 of 2215
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Originally Posted by DrewN View Post

As for video gaming, I've been doing it for a while now w/o any burn-in or IR but then again I'm overly conscious about static images on my plasma

Curious, what exactly are you doing to be overly cautious? (I almost PMed you, but I thought others might be interested in the answer)
post #814 of 2215
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Originally Posted by spwango View Post

Curious, what exactly are you doing to be overly cautious? (I almost PMed you, but I thought others might be interested in the answer)

A couple of things w/ my 360 (bearing in mind that this is my personal experience w/ this plasma)

*Never pause a game for more than 4-5 minutes. If I'm gone for any longer I'll save the game and power down.

*Play in short bursts. I never go longer than 20-30min in a game with static bars (e.g. Saints Row or NHL 07) without hitting the Guide Button on my 360 or flipping the input source to remove the static image. I'll hit Guide or Pause for 5-10 seconds before I continue. This actually isn't too hard, as most of us need to take a small break for that period of time anyway.

I also feel I'm the type of gamer who can get away with gaming on a plasma because my attention span is not long enough for 2-3 hr sessions. I like quick hits like racing, fighting, and action games. I imagine RPG players might have a tougher time, but then again even if you are relatively aware of it then you can always pause the game and switch sources for a small amount of time before continuing.

I would not recommend gaming on a plasma if you have untrustworthy friends or kids who don't give a **** about your stuff and have access to it. The bottom line is--a little bit of responsibility goes a long way. It's not like you have to worry every 5 min about it--at the same time you can't just pause the game and walk away for an hour expecting everything will be OK when you come back.

HTH
post #815 of 2215
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Originally Posted by manofsteele View Post

What would be the perfect settings for the break-in phase and then the post break-in phase. I know someone posted them here but I could not find it.

Thanks

It's all personal preference. But ultimately you want to follow the instructions here to avoid burn-in:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=608677

The killers for a new panel are high brightness and contrast settings. During my break in nothing was over 50 and my sharpness, brightness and contrast were turned down waaaay low.

I think I know what you're talking about though, one of our fine members here posted his setttings in his sig. I'll see if I can find it.
post #816 of 2215
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Originally Posted by DrewN View Post

*Never pause a game for more than 4-5 minutes. If I'm gone for any longer I'll save the game and power down.

I usually switch it to TV, if it's more than 10 minutes.
Quote:
Originally Posted by DrewN View Post

*Play in short bursts. I never go longer than 20-30min in a game with static bars (e.g. Saints Row or NHL 07) without hitting the Guide Button on my 360 or flipping the input source to remove the static image. I'll hit Guide or Pause for 5-10 seconds before I continue. This actually isn't too hard, as most of us need to take a small break for that period of time anyway.

I play Halo for sometimes 1-2 hours without pausing, there's occasional IR but never burn in. The cut scenes in single player, and score card when you die in multiplayer keeps the screen from being completly static. When I'm done playing I watch TV for 5-10 minutes and all IR if it existed is gone. The games that I find the most annoying is games that don't use the full screen. NHL 2k5 is an example. It's 480p but it doesn't go to the edges, it's really annoying. And stretching it doesn't help because it cuts off too much. The solid lines down the screen aren't a good thing.
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Originally Posted by DrewN View Post

I also feel I'm the type of gamer who can get away with gaming on a plasma because my attention span is not long enough for 2-3 hr sessions. I like quick hits like racing, fighting, and action games. I imagine RPG players might have a tougher time, but then again even if you are relatively aware of it then you can always pause the game and switch sources for a small amount of time before continuing.

Yeah, I think 4 hours is my maximum, but 1 hour is typical.
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Originally Posted by DrewN View Post

I would not recommend gaming on a plasma if you have untrustworthy friends or kids who don't give a **** about your stuff and have access to it. The bottom line is--a little bit of responsibility goes a long way. It's not like you have to worry every 5 min about it--at the same time you can't just pause the game and walk away for an hour expecting everything will be OK when you come back.

No kids are even allowed to touch my setup without the wife or myself present. That's for burn-in and other reasons as well.

With the way prices keep dropping, if burn-in ever does become a problem I'm not too concerned. Besides a 42" for the bed room would be pretty nice.
post #817 of 2215
Hello,
You seem to take the time to review this TV. I value your opinion. I want to pull the trigger on this HP 42" Plasma but want you to weigh in on some issues (if you can please?).
How is the standard digital broadcast cable viewing? Non- HD signals. .. Good quality or just fair??
Here is my concern. I have a 36 Sony 4:3 set that can do HD. I get the bars... I hate that.. but have seen 16:9 sets stretch 4:3 and make the picture ugly and distorted. If I go to a 16:9 HD set and mostly watch standard digital television.. will I be disappointed in the picture quality and does the aspect controls on the HP's set, ie: Zoom1, Zoom2, Panoramic distort the standard 4:3 image when streatched to the 16:9 screen?
Do these controls/features work well?

It is just that I am still stuck watching mostly standard 4:3 digital cable broadcasts more of the time than HD ones through my cable box or from my DVD player.

Thank you very much for your imput in advance.

-F

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Originally Posted by Lumberg View Post

I received my PL4260N yesterday afternoon (got it less than a week after ordering directly from HP). Here are my impressions so far....

PQ is fantastic. I am using an HR10-250 DirecTV DVR connected to the TV via HDMI. When my friend and I first starting watching the HP, we were both amazed at the PQ. We later realized that the HR10-250 was set to 480p output. Once we changed to 720p, we were REALLY amazed. We also tested 1080i output, but IMO there wasn't much difference between 1080i and 720p on the HR10-250.

Colors are very good on this set. I watched recorded versions of CSI Miami (HD), various recordings of Sunrise Earth, and an episode of GetOut filmed in Australia. The HP had fantastic color reproduction without looking over saturated. I personally didn't notice any color pop or push as described in other PDP threads. Skin tones also looked good. Keep in mind that I DID NOT change any settings other than to tone down the brightness and contrast for the 100hr break-in period. This set looks fantastic right out of the box. This was a blessing since my past experience with a 42" LCD required quite a bit of tuning to get a good picture. This was not the case with the HP.

This is my first Plasma and I'm coming from an LCD which I felt had very poor black levels. To me, the HP has great black levels (similar to my 27" Sony CRT), but I can't comment on how it would compare to a Panny, Pioneer, Hitachi, or an NEC PDP. The only thing I can say is that black levels look fine in my home

The OSD is very good. It has a crisp, professional, and logical appearance. This was a major change for me coming from a set that had a very poor OSD. My only complaint may be that the text on the OSD is a bit small but I may be able to change that in the menu somewhere. BTW, the zoom modes work well on this set too.

The remote control is also nice. It does not have a backlight, but that's about the only negative thing I can say about it. The buttons have a good feel and the shape is very ergonomical.

Per my earlier post, the asthetics are, IMO, top notch. Very simple and very clean. The bezel does not reflect light and the HP logo is just the right size. There are some logos printed on the lower right hand side of the bezel, but they are very understated and don't attract any attention.

I'm not using the side speakers, so I can't comment on their sound quality or their appearance when mounted on the set. Per an earlier post, I did see both the 42" and 50" sets at my BA with the side speakers and felt they looked fine.

I really don't hear any fan noise from the set. I checked because other threads mention this as an issue with other brands. I wouldn't say this is an issue with the HP at all. The noise coming from my set is quieter than that of my HR10-250.

I have not watched any DVD's yet. My DVD player is old as the hills and the best output it has is S-Video. It isn't even progressive scan. I plan on buying a new upconverting player soon and will report my findings.

OTA looks fantastic, but keep in mind my antenna is connected to my multi-switch and then to my TIVO. So, I'm not connected directly to the TV's built-in HD OTA tuner. Either way, my local HD channels look fantastic.

One last positive comment -- my friend who helped me unpack and install the PL4260N is an LCD fanatic. He and I always argue about LCD and Plasma. After watching my set last night, I think it's fair to say that he is a plasma convert. His biggest complaint about plasma was the space between the pixels and how visible the pixel grid is on a PDP. Last night was the first time he'd seen a plasma at the proper viewing distance (not from 3 feet at a store display) and he was blown away. He currently has a 37" 1080p display LCD and felt the HP had a much better picture. He's now giving serious consideration to the 50" HP for his basement. I think that's a good testimonial to these displays.

So, is everything perfect? No - nothing is. The TV takes a while to display the picture once you turn it on. Again, I'm new to PDP's. This may be normal. After you press the power button, the screen stays black for a second or two until an HP logo appears along with a message that says "initializing". After another 5-8 seconds, the picture will appear. Again, this may be typical of PDP's and isn't a deal breaker.

When I change between resolutions (480, 720, 1080), the screen turns pinkish and blinks a few times until the next resolution is displayed. My LCD took the same amount of time to switch between resolutions but the screen would turn blue until the next solution was set. On the HP, the video signal stays on the screen while transitioning between resolutions but looks awful in the process. I think this is pretty minor because I don't intend to do this much.

The glare of the screen is pretty bad during the day. I have a large window in front of the TV that faces North. I don't get direct sunlight through this window, but I do get quite a bit of ambient light which reflects off the HP's glass. I know this is common on plasmas and I can't complain too much. Luckily I can sit on a different part of my couch to avoid this glare during the day I really can't use this as a slam against the HP, but it's something to consider for any potential plasma buyer (regardless of the vendor).

I really wish I had two HDMI inputs. I can take the money I saved and either buy an HDMI switch or a new receiver with HDMI switching built-in should this become an issue. For now, I'm going to have to debate on whether to give my HR10-250 or my new DVD player the HDMI port.

I'll try to post some pics tonight. Overall, I'm very happy with this TV so far. Per my earlier comment, I can't say how it would compare to another major brand, but I have no intention on returning this set to find out
post #818 of 2215
Hathaway65, I have this panel and it is fine. As to SD, I have Dish 622 and it seems that most SD is good, depends on the source. As to stretching or zooming, the HP by itself won't do the job without some compimise. For me the Dish 622 has a "Partial Zoom" setting that is perfect.
post #819 of 2215
I've had my 42" for about two weeks now and I noticed a problem with the component in (both). It's connected to my RCA DTV receiver.

After about 20 minutes the pictures starts to show random blocks somewhat like the digital equivalent of tearing in the picture (data errors). Both inputs do it. SV, cable and HDMI don't.

If I disconnect the sync cable (y) for a second it stops. If I power cycle the DTV receiver it will stop. I'm trying to nail down which unit is the problem and not having tons of success. I've beat and wiggled everything. I have an H20 coming so that might help nail it down.

Has anyone seen this type of problem?

I plan on running the DVD through the component inputs and see if that does it.

TK
post #820 of 2215
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Originally Posted by terrybk View Post

Has anyone seen this type of problem?

I plan on running the DVD through the component inputs and see if that does it.

Hooking up the DVD player is what I would have suggested. If it still happens, then it's the TV, otherwise it's the cable box or cable provider.
post #821 of 2215
I agree but it's weird that removing the Y cable and reconnecting fixes it. Maybe one of the outputs are noisey and unloading it temporarily fixes it.

Thanks for the reply!

Terry
post #822 of 2215
Hello Group,

Just writing to say hi and gloat over the purchase of my new hp 4260 i just bought online on the BB website After much debate and research I decided to go with the hp cause it seemed the like the best bang for the buck! I should be picking up my tv tomorrow and will update you guys on my results with it. Thanks for all the good info here and hope to contribue to it as well.
post #823 of 2215
Questions - does it have independent input memories (meaning retains individual picture setting for each input)

And what kind of connectors do speakers use to connect to tv.

thanks.
post #824 of 2215
No independent memories for inputs. It has mini plugs for speakers, I added extensions to plugs and put speakers on the floor, they are surprisingly pleasent to listen to if they are not overdriven, I rarely use them as I have an A/V unit.
post #825 of 2215
Alright, here it is, my official "I just bought one of these" posts. I have pulled a ton of info from this site to help with my purchase decision and my set up - so a big thanks to everybody. Too many to mention!

Here are the high hard ones on setup:
  • PL5060N bought by an HP employee
    Connected via HDMI to a Scientific Atlanta HD8300
    Connected to a regular progressive scan DVD player by component
    Sitting on an end table in a corner - for now
    Sound through an older stereo (hey - it cost a lot back then!)
    Seats are b/w 8-14 feet away

The bottom line on this beauty is that I am in love. Just love the set. Classy black finish all around, awesome picture, happy happy. HD picture is stunning. SD picture is good, and when I "stretch" using the box it actually looks good to me so I never really have to see black bars.

HDMI vs. Component
I've only had the HDMI hooked up for a couple of days. The one thing I find is that HD motion looks liquid smooth with the HDMI cable, when it did not with the component. Of course, back when I had component hooked up I wasn't missing anything, but it just looks that much better w/ HDMI. I haven't noticed anything different with SD or with the colour palette or anything. I've heard others see "richer" colours w/ HDMI, but I can't find it. My wife agrees with all these observations BTW, so it's not just me.

Set Top Box Settings
The vid mode is set to the HDMI setting, which makes everything pick automatically. Volume Range is Narrow, because I hate those loud commercials and supposedly that helps. I hated the fact that the volume on the remote doesn't effect the HDMI output level, but I figured out a way to make the standard remote volume button always control my stereo volume. Handy, because I won't be picking up one of the fancy $200 remotes anytime soon. Kudos to this set of forums for tipping me off to the problem and solution BTW.

Picture Settings
I'm waffling back and forth here. I really like the default Cinema look, but I know I should tone things down even further for the burn in period. So I have things dialed back a bit, and the sharpness turned way down as well. It doesn't look as good, and it's tougher to see the details on darker objects or shadowed faces. So I eagerly await the time when I can crank it up just a little, but I'm still a nervous nelly for now.

Elephant Ears
I can't comment on the speakers. I have the TV set up in a corner, and there just isn't room to attach the speakers, so they're still in the box.

Dummy Lesson
If the colours don't look right, spend a few minutes to check all your component cable connections before you spend hours monkeying with the settings. Even if a pro set it up for you. I had 8 guys watch a football game in my family room with the Vikings wearing brown uniforms, and not one of the rocket scientists thought to check the cables. Of course I was watching the 16 little kids that came with them trash my house at the time so I can only take partial blame.

The "Cheap Remote"
The remote doesn't seem cheap to me. It's very light. I like light. And, since I'm using an HD PVR box, the remote is going to go in a drawer somewhere. So I'm not too worried about this one.

What I Use it For
Mostly HD TV content, but SD content as well, and DVDs. No games. The HD content is ridiculously good. Football games blow my mind. SD Football on this set looks worse than on my old 27 incher. I can still watch it, but when you get that angle that shows most of the field the guys all get detail fuzz. HD Hockey looks incredible too, SD hockey looks good.

What really surprised me was the SD content looking as good as it does, even stretched by my cable box. It looks really good. The Food network looks so good that at times I start criticizing the picture as if it was HD - and then I remember that it's only SD. However, as I said before football is not so hot in SD.

Why I Bought This TV
I like my toys, but I'm a total budget nerd. I've been dreaming about a plasma set for over a year, and obsessing about the smartest purchase for at least 3 months. The 42 inch Panny was leading for a time, then I jumped up to 50 and was waiting on the market to keep dropping when the HP opportunity dropped in my lap. Through the employee store I got about $350 off the Best Buy sale price (is this ok to say? if not just blast it out). Anyway, that widened the gap from Panny to the point where it became an easy choice for me, if not a no brainer. I had done the side by side test in store and was very happy with the HP at that point. It's a hell of an upgrade over my used when I got it, 8 year old 27 inch tube.

Conclusion
If I were any happier I'd be doing backflips. And I'm in no shape for backflips.
post #826 of 2215
First, this is a great thread. I have gotten tons of great info here. Thanks to everyone who has posted their experiences.

I have been researching plasmas for months trying to find the right one at the right price. I finally narrowed by choices down to the 42 inch HP, Samsung, and Panasonic. (I was leaning towards the Samsung.) They each seemed to have great pictures and were available for less than $2000.00. [EDIT]
I am extremely excited. The HP PL5060N looks amazing at BB. I will post a full report after it is delivered.
post #827 of 2215
I have had the HP 50" PL5060N since May '06. I have noticed that every now and then the screen flashes black (no signal) for less than a second. I have checked the cable and it is fine. I see this approximately once or twice an hour. I only see it on the Video1 input with S-Video attached.

Has anyone else seen this?
If so, is it a known issue?
Is there a possible Contrast or image setting that I could try disabling that may be causing this?

Thank you in advance!
post #828 of 2215
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Originally Posted by macrow1969 View Post

I have had the HP 50" PL5060N since May '06. I have noticed that every now and then the screen flashes black (no signal) for less than a second. I have checked the cable and it is fine. I see this approximately once or twice an hour. I only see it on the Video1 input with S-Video attached.

Has anyone else seen this?
If so, is it a known issue?
Is there a possible Contrast or image setting that I could try disabling that may be causing this?

Thank you in advance!

I have the 42", and the Svideo connection for me is very tempermental. Every two or three days I'd get a no signal error and jiggle the connection to get it to return.

Deezul
post #829 of 2215
How are people determining where some of the subsystems come from - "The XXXX came from Panasonic, the YYYY is from LG, etc."?

Doug
post #830 of 2215
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Originally Posted by Doug_Eldred View Post

How are people determining where some of the subsystems come from - "The XXXX came from Panasonic, the YYYY is from LG, etc."?

Doug

The PL4260N Service Manual specifically has a section written by LG on servicing the PDP Panel Module, so we know for sure the component is made by LG. I would assume the Service Manual for the older model would have something similar from Panasonic...
post #831 of 2215
Well did everyone see the good news in Consumer Reports?
HPs rated higher than Panasonic.

post #832 of 2215
And IIRC the CR article also discusses extended warranties. I'm always interested in what CU thinks, because they're independent and do good research, but it's only AN input into my final decision.

The HP was also one of two picks in the "value" sidebar.

Doug
post #833 of 2215
i just bought the PL4260N on saturday [EDIT] (saved $100 by signing up for cox hd service)

wonderful tv so far, when i get home from work i'll be calibrating it with avia(well me and my fiancee, i'm colorblind )
post #834 of 2215
Forum nOOb here.

I just received my PL4260N and have about 3 days worth of experience so far. I love it!

Only one problem so far (and I see it's been discussed in this thread a couple of times so I apologize but I still don't have an answer) is that I'm running Verizon FIOS with the Motorola 6416 DVR STB using an HDMI cable direct to the PL4260N and getting the "HDMI Audio Unavailable" error. I can't figure out what to do. Verizon hasn't been too much help so far. Any ideas?
post #835 of 2215
bmwhd, Probably the FIOS box, have you tried running RCA audio cables from box to HP, they are supposed to work if you connect them to the PC in audio, otherwise , if available, use component cable and audio RCAs to the same component input.
post #836 of 2215
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Originally Posted by dirtydan View Post

bmwhd, Probably the FIOS box, have you tried running RCA audio cables from box to HP, they are supposed to work if you connect them to the PC in audio, otherwise , if available, use component cable and audio RCAs to the same component input.

Have not tried that. I'm using the RCA audio out from the STB to my receiver with no problem but of course that doesn't do anything for the speakers on the TV. Guess I really need a new receiver with HDMI switching.
post #837 of 2215
I don't think you need to do that, the less connections the better. I can use either HDMI or Component, but rarely use HDMI as Component has a more contrasty, saturated pq coming from my Dish box.
post #838 of 2215
here be a picture i took tonight of DiscoveryHD



thats taken with my nikon d50 camera and no flash


posted becasue we all love pictures !
post #839 of 2215
I recently purchased an HPPL4260 Plasma TV. I tried to use the HDMI calbe but was unable to get sound. i was told the DVR PCM frequency needed to be adjusted to 96KHz or lower. Well, there is no way to adjust the frequency on the DVR. Has anyone had this problem?
post #840 of 2215
this is stated as having a 1024x768 resolution

when playing my xbox360 with vga cables, it defaults to the max 1360x768 resolution and looks great.

how is that possible?
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