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post #121 of 5103
So here's a tougher one -- can anyone determine if the Toshiba supports discrete power-on/power-off commands. I want to integrate everything into an easy-to-use remote (WAF - you know). My Oppo doesn't support these, which is a pain. If the Toshiba does, it would be a no-brainer to get it just for a better integrated up-converting player.

Ken
post #122 of 5103
I'd like to know what the MAXIMAL distance allowed for SPEAKER DISTANCE set up in the audio set up menu??? How many feet max? 20 ft? 30 ft??

Thanks!!!!
post #123 of 5103
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Originally Posted by rdjam View Post

Heh that would be lordodoubled.

More likely, WiFi. He did have 3 in the picture, or were they Photoshopped in?
post #124 of 5103
Can someone with the HD DVD movies confirm whether or not they have the SD version on the disk also??There is a thread somewere on the board that stated this to be a fact! Is it true???It would make logical sense....that way WE could play HD DVD disc in a SD DVD player as well!
post #125 of 5103
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Can someone with the HD DVD movies confirm whether or not they have the SD version on the disk also??There is a thread somewere on the board that stated this to be a fact! Is it true???It would make logical sense....that way WE could play HD DVD disc in a SD DVD player as well!

All HD DVD discs to be released this month Apr and May by Warner and Universal does not have a SD (480i) version of the film. The 480i video specification is meant for the bonus materials (featurettes, documentaries). Warner's 1st 3 HD DVD releases have their bonus materials ported directly from DVD, hence they are presented in 480i video.

The only time you will be able to play both HD and SD versions of the same film is when the titles are released on what is called a Twin Format (Hybrid) discs. Twin Format discs can store a HD movie on one side (or layer) and SD version on the other. The DVD-ROM portion (layer or side) of the Twin Format discs will play on your normal DVD player. Titles released on such hybrid discs will feature the HD DVD and DVD logo. Until now, Warner seems to be the only one interested in releasing new titles on Twin Format discs on top of HD DVD releases, although they will be slightly steeper in retail price.
post #126 of 5103
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Hey Everybody!!! My wife and I just finished watching The Last Samurai and let my tell you it looked so good. I was watching it on a 46" Samsung DLP which has 720p native resolution. I did my calibration of the display using the THX optimizer on the SD DVD - SW EPIII. It was connected to the TV via HDMI and I sent the audio to my receiver using the Toslink out to the receiver. Tomorrow I'm going to unhook my DVD-A player and hook up the analog outs so I can experience DD+.

PQ
I have to say that this is the best HD footage I have ever watched. Both my wife and I commented over and over again about how there was no visible pixelation (macro blocking?). When I watch shows like LOST it looks great but there is always some level of blocking during the night and/or dark shots. I saw none of that on this DVD. Also there were no jagged edges - It simply looked superb. We kept saying how clean and finely detailed everything looked. The picture was just stunning. Ultimately I felt like this is what I had been looking for - namely HD without all of the artifacts and problems that I constantly see when watching HD over cable. Unfortunately I don't have D-theater or OTA HD-DVD but it looks a lot better than the HD that I get from Time Warner.

Upconverting
I watched just a little of SW EPIII and I feel like it does a good job of upconverting but after watching an actual HD-DVD it's going to be hard to go back SD DVD's.
I'll need to watch a whole movie upconverted before I can make a lot of detailed observations.

Audio
I used the toslink out to my Kenwood reciever. This is a very consumer level receiver but I play music for a living and I feel like I've spent a lot of time making my system sound as good as it possibly can. I thought the audio sounded great (Dolby DD) but I'm looking forward to hearing DD+ through the 5.1 analog outs.

The Player
It's big Seems very solidly built. Remote is nice. Took me a while to get the hang of the remote. It seems silly but it only needs a gentle touch. Once I figured that out and turned on the sound for the remote (soft beep) it was working pretty well for me. The setup menu is simple and easy to navigate. I did notice a some fan noise while I was going through the setup menu (silent room - no audio through the system). Once I closed the glass door on the entertainment center and started the movie I could not hear any fan noise. This is not the fatest player I've dealt with - everything kind of takes a second to get going: reading the disc, starting to play etc., it's not a big deal at all but you definitely get the feeling that this is a 1st gen player and as time goes on all of these little details will be totally smoothed out.

Misc.
There is an "HD-DVD Introduction" commercial from WB at the beginning of TLS about HD-DVD: it's features, benefits, upcoming titles, etc. and honestly it was really cool. My wife is interested in this stuff but she is more of an average consumer when it comes to home theater. It made her go "now I get why you're into this". It really gives the average person on the street a great demo of why HD-DVD is so much better than SD DVD. I thought it was awesome. Also, in this commericial, there are clips of HP, Matrix, Batman Begins and ,oh my goodness, I can not wait to watch these movies on HD-DVD. They look so amazing.

Final Thoughts
I can not wait for all of you to get your players/movies. I have learned so much about home theater by being a member of AVS forum and I can't wait until we can all geek out together about our HD-DVD players!!!

p.s.
Someone asked how I got the movies today. Honestly I was all ready to pay - I was not going to even ask about the movies because I know they are not supposed to release them before the street date - and the guy helping me asked If I wanted some movies to go with my player. Obviously I said of course - if they have them - (I was assuming they would be SD DVD's) and he pulls out TLS and Phantom in HD-DVD. At that point I said sure and paid for them and got out of there before someone told this guy that they weren't allowed to do that. I know that I completely lucked out. It was pretty exiciting.

More info to come,
DD

Good to hear DD, about how good the HD titles look. I cannot wait to get my hands on a few. Looks like your findings with the upconversion, remote and player itself are about the same as mine.

On thing I noticed with the HDMI connection, it's not very solid feeling, there's a bit of play in it. Did you notice this as well? I thought once plugged in it would be a bit more of a tight connection.
post #127 of 5103
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Originally Posted by quickfire View Post

Darin....do you have a HD disk?If so will you or someone try to see if it will pass full resolution over component?If it doesn't then we all have been LIED to!

Can anyone shed some light on this important question? Many thanks.
post #128 of 5103
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Originally Posted by darinp2 View Post

I don't have any official ones (just HD stuff a friend mastered on HD).

But please settle down. Rockokma clearly said 480p with DVD, so you seem to be jumping to a conclusion that is incorrect based on the information he provided. A limit of 480p for DVDs wouldn't tell you anything about ICT or not with HD material. There are different rules for DVDs than HD DVDs.

--Darin

Darin is very much correct. DVD and HD DVD rules are VERY different. Here are a two differences that are the opposite of what some folks think (that new formats are more restrictive):

1. HD DVD currently does not have region coding. So you can play Japanese titles on your US player and vice versa for example (as I have done). Region coding however, is enfored on DVD discs however.

2. HD DVD allows at least one mandatory recording/copying/moving of the content from the disc to another. Currently DVDs are not authorized for any form of copying/moving. And no, Toshiba doesn't support this since it has no place to put the copy. You would need a home server or a PC to make such recordings.

And clarifying yet again, the rules for upsampling DVDs is that non-computer devices are not allowed to output more than 480p on their analog connections. Instead, you must use a digital, copy protected output such as HDMI or DVI+HDCP. This has nothing to do with ICT flag which does not exist on DVDs anyway. Unlike ICT, no studio has a choice. It is a licensing thing for the player itself.

ALL the HD DVD titles I have played output at full resolution at 1080i with component on my Japanese player. I am 99.9999% sure that the same of the US model. So please don't get concerned unless you hear otherwise.

Amir
post #129 of 5103
Thanks for the clarification, amirm.
post #130 of 5103
I found this thread about a hour ago, so I drove to my Best Buy® and they had 2 players and all three movie out on display (about 10 of each) I just picked up Last Samurai and Serenity.
I was going to wait for the BR, DVD-HD to sort itself out first, but I couldn't resist.
I was really surprised my Best Buy even had this at all, because I'm in a sleepy little college town that is behind the curve in almost everything.
This whole town revolves around the Gators.
Anyway I will report back later. My display is a Panasonic AE-900, on a 114" wide 2:35 screen.
post #131 of 5103
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

ALL the HD DVD titles I have played output at full resolution at 1080i with component on my Japanese player. I am 99.9999% sure that the same of the US model. So please don't get concerned unless you hear otherwise.

Amir

Amir,

Thanks. Your confirmation is good enough for me. I can forgo the pleasure of upscaling SD DVDs, but output full resolution at 1080i with component outputs are of paramount importance as I have an "older" CRT HDTV.
post #132 of 5103
I'm getting in late here on this thread but at least we know the HD-A1 has bass management and that is very cool! J.H.
post #133 of 5103
Just wondering as I have two displays in my media room. I could send HDMI to the projector and component to the flat panel.
post #134 of 5103
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Originally Posted by larrimore View Post

Just wondering as I have two displays in my media room. I could send HDMI to the projector and component to the flat panel.

Unfortunately not. You have to select one or the other.

Amir
post #135 of 5103
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Originally Posted by amirm View Post

Unfortunately not. You have to select one or the other.

Amir

Thats not good.....can you atleast switch HDMI/Component with remote?If so I can live with it.
post #136 of 5103
So currently, the best sound option for a theater with a 7.1 setup (w/o HDMI on their Pre-Amp) for a HD-DVD would be:

1) connect the 5.1 analog ouputs of the Toshiba to PreAmp's analog in
2) Have the Toshiba covert the DD+ soundtrack
3) Have Pre-Amp digitize that incoming 5.1 DD+ and layer DDPLIIx over (for 7.1)?
post #137 of 5103
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And clarifying yet again, the rules for upsampling DVDs is that non-computer devices are not allowed to output more than 480p on their analog connections. Instead, you must use a digital, copy protected output such as HDMI or DVI+HDCP. This has nothing to do with ICT flag which does not exist on DVDs anyway. Unlike ICT, no studio has a choice. It is a licensing thing for the player itself.

Forgive my confusion but I thought this limitation was imposed by copy-protection on SD-DVDs. Is that not why with current upscaling DVD players only some SD-DVDs will upconvert past 480p?

Also, if one were to copy a SD-DVD and play the copy, could this allow for upconversion past 480p?
post #138 of 5103
Jeff,

Did you consider the A1 model instead for it's rs-232 connection? (thought I read you were going to a Crestron control system).
post #139 of 5103
Wow, no HD-DVD movie screenshots? Very dissappointing.
post #140 of 5103
I'm really anxious to hear reviews rom three members:

Darin- I believe he has the Sony Ruby
Jeff- Sony Qualia
Art- Stacked G90's

All three have reference systems, have been forum members for a long time and are not strictly fanboys. They also will be projecting on a screen at least 100" diagonal if not bigger.

Gentleman, get to work!
post #141 of 5103
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Wow, no HD-DVD movie screenshots? Very dissappointing.

No movies yet, not until Tuesday. A few have gotten lucky but the stores that are putting them out could get in serious trouble.
post #142 of 5103
I am anxious to hear how it performs with 720p DLP front projectors outputting @ 720p as good number of us have this setup.
post #143 of 5103
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I am anxious to hear how it performs with 720p DLP front projectors outputting @ 720p as good number of us have this setup.

I've got a Z3 (LCD) and I can say the image is all around better upscaling to 720p over 480p. I commented on it back on page 2. It's not a huge leap in PQ but it's noticeable.
post #144 of 5103
Thread Starter 
Can't wait to hear your thoughts Robert. Congrats on the purchase!
post #145 of 5103
Can't wait Obi. Anything that gets you to do a review is always something to look forward to.
post #146 of 5103
This is a preveiw/ preveiw..
The remote needs major work, it is very much like the Oppo DVD players remote (the first one) I need my +40 reading glasses to read it. no back-lit feature.
I first tried Serenity movie, the splash screen and FBI warning and begining Universal logos are in 16X9. ( I was hoping they would change this on 2:35 movies) The picture quality is good, but I would of thought it would be better. (Not fimilar with this movie) I think the best my Panny 900 has shown me was The Masters on CBS OTA and HDNET World report, and some of their boxing.
It is of course better than SDDVD, just not the WOW I was hoping for.
I'll try the other movie, and report back later.
Oh, and any questions on the sound quality are going to have to wait, as I just hooked it up, and haven't even connected audio yet.
post #147 of 5103
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I doubt anyone will get in trouble for that. What kind of trouble? From who?

The studios, they are very strict on release dates. I don't recall any retailer getting in actual trouble but it can happen.
post #148 of 5103
I've tried all of the resolution outputs on the HD movie. and at the least, the lettering in the 1080i output is very noticable better than 720p. The 720p showed jagged edges,where the 1080i was smooth. more to follow.....
post #149 of 5103
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Originally Posted by AlieniceT View Post

Make sure you do the same thing with the movies when they come out....

post #150 of 5103
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Originally Posted by thaxx View Post

I've tried all of the resolution outputs on the HD movie. and at the least, the lettering in the 1080i output is very noticable better than 720p. The 720p showed jagged edges,where the 1080i was smooth. more to follow.....

How do you have it connected thaxx? Can you please check via component connection weather it will pass an HD signal?
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