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post #1231 of 1475
7/26/06 at 12:36am
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Originally Posted by BangoO View Post

Last thing Arpeggio, what do you mean by "with Dolby Digital 1.0" ?
Thx

On the About Ulead DVD Movie Factory screen where it shows the version number: I have a serial number for Ulead DVD Movie Factory 5.0.0001.0 and just below that I have another serial number for Dolby (R) Digital 1.0

Maybe some folks have seperate licenses for the Dolby Digital encoding option?

I have successfuly created 6 HD-DVD movie archives with DD 5.1:



Edit: In my registry it says Ulead AC3 pack, might explain some discrepencies.
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post #1232 of 1475
7/26/06 at 12:57am
It does not work if I save it to an iso file, the HDA1 says NO DISC.
If works (well, except from the sound which is a mess) if I save it to an HD-DVD folder and then burn it in UDF (using XBox compatibiliy mode).

Are these settings right ?



PS: my registry is also displaying Ulead AC3 pac...
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post #1233 of 1475
7/26/06 at 1:15am
Funny. My MF5 is also version 5.0.0001.0 and it's got a serial number for Dolby Digital 1.0. Yet it insists on downmixing DD5.1 audio to stereo, no matter what I do. I gave up on it a while ago, and have used VS10+ successfully ever since
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post #1234 of 1475
7/26/06 at 1:21am
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Originally Posted by BangoO View Post

Are these settings right ?

I don't think so.

MPEG Properties for file conversion: those settings are used for conversion in case the application does not recognize the stream you've given it. I think it's been mentioned in this thread that to pass DD5.1, you need to edit MPEG settings ("Change MPEG settings" button) so the audio encoding settings match the DD5.1 specs. Also, in my projects the Properties window lists whether the video is Upper Field First, Lower Field First or Frame Based.

Note that I'm talking about VS10+ and MF5 could be different.
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post #1235 of 1475
7/26/06 at 1:48am
When I tried with VS10+, I've set it to 5.1, it gave the exact same result as MF5 without setting anything, which means I get 5.1 sound, but crappy... I should record it as I don't how to explain it
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post #1236 of 1475
7/26/06 at 2:03am
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Originally Posted by BangoO View Post

It does not work if I save it to an iso file, the HDA1 says NO DISC.
If works (well, except from the sound which is a mess) if I save it to an HD-DVD folder and then burn it in UDF (using XBox compatibiliy mode).

Are these settings right ?

PS: my registry is also displaying Ulead AC3 pac...

This is what I have used for every MPG with a 384 DD 5.1 Audio stream so far:



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post #1237 of 1475
7/26/06 at 2:29am
Ok I tested those settings, same result...
Maybe I will try with some other TS sources...
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post #1238 of 1475
7/26/06 at 6:03am
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

texmex -
For some reason ShrinkDVD created an ISO file that is 8.7GB. I'm running it through a second time. I suspect that the compression is too much for it to do in one pass. This is going to look terrible

Well, DVDShrink took many hours to do it, but it shrank my 15GB file to 7.93GB (correct size for DL-DVD). Maybe something wasn't correct in your settings Hyrax? Anyway, I'm not going to burn this, but I think the process is valid. I'm going to try to simplify the procedure, then I'll post instructions.

And remember folks - you do NOT want to shrink a 15GB file to a DL-DVD. This was simply a test to validate the process. I think this procedure will be great for getting up to ~10GB streams onto a DL-DVD, but I'm not sure I would go much higher. For streams that are just over 8GB, IMO it would be silly NOT to use this method.

texmex
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post #1239 of 1475
7/26/06 at 6:06am
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Originally Posted by BangoO View Post

Ok I tested those settings, same result...
Maybe I will try with some other TS sources...

It would really help if you sent one of us a clip of your problem stream. If we can't make it work, we'll know it's a bad stream. If we can make it work, we'll know there's a problem in your workflow. Just trying to help out...
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post #1240 of 1475
7/26/06 at 6:11am
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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

For streams that are just over 8GB, IMO it would be silly NOT to use this method.

I've got a few streams like that on hand and ready for testing, once I find the time. Thanks for all your hard work!
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post #1241 of 1475
7/26/06 at 10:54am
Thx texmex, how much of it would you need ?
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post #1242 of 1475
7/26/06 at 11:28am
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Originally Posted by BangoO View Post

Thx texmex, how much of it would you need ?

As much as possible - the limiting factor is upload speed and transfer method (i.e. ftp, email, upload service). I would think 100MB would be sufficient. Just make sure that the clip you upload is a good demonstration of your audio problem. And take the clip from the original source in its original format (transport stream I assume).

I've never tried this service before, but http://www.yousendit.com/ claims to allow up to 1GB "file transfers". I'll PM my email address to you if you want to try it. I'm testing an upload now, and it looks like it will take about 30 minutes for a 70MB file.

While we're on the topic, if anyone has a better idea for sharing sample clips (i.e. an ftp server), it would make life easier.

texmex
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post #1243 of 1475
7/26/06 at 11:59am
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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

Well, DVDShrink took many hours to do it, but it shrank my 15GB file to 7.93GB (correct size for DL-DVD). Maybe something wasn't correct in your settings Hyrax?
And remember folks - you do NOT want to shrink a 15GB file to a DL-DVD. ... For streams that are just over 8GB, IMO it would be silly NOT to use this method.

I use DVD Shrink a lot and don't think there are any settings set incorrectly. I've had this happen (where it creates files too large to fit a disk) a couple of times with SD material, so I assume it is a minor bug in the program.

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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

And remember folks - you do NOT want to shrink a 15GB file to a DL-DVD. ... For streams that are just over 8GB, IMO it would be silly NOT to use this method.

Exactly. I've got several videos that are only 100-200K too large for a single disk. This will be perfect for them. I will burn the video I created by squishing 13.5GB - but only to confirm that it can be done, and show why it should not.
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post #1244 of 1475
7/26/06 at 12:05pm
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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

I've never tried this service before, but http://www.yousendit.com/ claims to allow up to 1GB "file transfers". I'll PM my email address to you if you want to try it. I'm testing an upload now, and it looks like it will take about 30 minutes for a 70MB file.

While we're on the topic, if anyone has a better idea for sharing sample clips (i.e. an ftp server), it would make life easier.

texmex

I've used yousendit several times, and it works pretty well - but I only have sent small files (2-5 MB).
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post #1245 of 1475
7/26/06 at 12:07pm
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

I will burn the video I created by squishing 13.5GB - but only to confirm that it can be done, and show why it should not.

I would be interested in seeing some comparison screen captures - just for giggles, you know!
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post #1246 of 1475
7/26/06 at 12:28pm
I should get my Preamp back soon and will be able to try a few more things to get DD5,1 working.

Out of interest, I thought it made no difference what audio format you picked since MF5 wont convert a decent mpg anyway.
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post #1247 of 1475
7/26/06 at 12:58pm
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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

While we're on the topic, if anyone has a better idea for sharing sample clips (i.e. an ftp server), it would make life easier.

I asked a friend who is into this sort of thing and he recommended
http://www.pando.com/beta/what
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post #1248 of 1475
7/26/06 at 1:04pm
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Originally Posted by pteittinen View Post

I would be interested in seeing some comparison screen captures - just for giggles, you know!

Screen captures from my computer screen don't look all that different. Both the original and the 'shrunk' seem to pulse back and forth between being in focus and being out of focus. The result of scaling to a PC, I suspect. I'll take some digital pix of the screen showing shrunk and 'as recorded'. If they show anything I'll post 'em. I'm expecting mosquitoes - lots of mosquitoes.
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post #1249 of 1475
7/26/06 at 1:51pm
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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

I think I found a work-around - I won't know for sure until DVDShrink finishes, but I did get it to open a 10GB fileset. That 9th file is illegal in the DVD world since DVD's max out on DL discs and therefore only require 8 vob's. So, the workaround is to combine all vob's above 7. For example, the project I'm shrinking right now had 10 vob's. You can combine from the command line:

Code:
> copy /b VTS_01_8.VOB + VTS_01_9.VOB + VTS_01_10.VOB TEMP
> rm VTS_01_8.VOB VTS_01_9.VOB VTS_01_10.VOB
> mv TEMP VTS_01_8.VOB
Now you should be able to open the title in DVDShrink. I'll post an update if/when I get a working disk in the Tosh.

texmex

I'm a little slow on the combine part, I have successfully created my DVD file set, but I have 9 vobs and would like to combine 8 and 9 into one vob. When you say you can combine from the command line, which program are you speaking of?

Thanks again for all your work on this,
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post #1250 of 1475
7/26/06 at 3:11pm
MB1010 -
You need to 'Run' CMD, which opens a DOS window. Texmex appears to be using a shell program because 'rm' and 'mv' are not a valid DOS commands. replace the rm comamnd with 'Del' and replace the 'mv' with 'Ren'
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Syntax as follows:

Ren
Renames a file or files.

RENAME [drive:][path]filename1 filename2.
REN [drive:][path]filename1 filename2.

Note that you cannot specify a new drive or path for your destination file.
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Del
Deletes one or more files.

DEL names

names Specifies a list of one or more files or directories.
Wildcards may be used to delete multiple files. If a
directory is specified, all files within the directory
will be deleted.

You need to be slightly careful with this stuff. Back when life was fun and DOS was king, people frequently deleted a lot more than they intended - often deleting entire hard drives.
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post #1251 of 1475
7/26/06 at 3:32pm
I hope Apple has info on a new version/update of DVD Studio Pro at their WWDC starting on the 7th.
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post #1252 of 1475
7/26/06 at 7:26pm
god this is SO annoying!

The toshiba will play the HD DVD's but any time i skip to the next chapter or fast-forward, it freaks out. It will pause and then shut down and say "error."

Anyone else experiencing this!??!?!?
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post #1253 of 1475
7/26/06 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

god this is SO annoying!

The toshiba will play the HD DVD's but any time i skip to the next chapter or fast-forward, it freaks out. It will pause and then shut down and say "error."

Anyone else experiencing this!??!?!?

Not at all. Fast forward and chapter skip are smooth as butter on my discs. I haven't had a single problem in this area. I was surprised at how quickly and cleanly these functions worked.

Any problems with commercial discs?
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post #1254 of 1475
7/26/06 at 7:37pm
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Originally Posted by MichaelZ View Post

Instead of doing all that VOB conversion and then DVDshrink try this tool:

http://www.intercom.co.jp/english/transcoder/index.html

It has a 20 day free trial and then it is $35. I used it on a mpeg file that would not load in MF5 (MPEG stream not compatible) and I selected 99% for size, it cranked on it reducing the file by 1% but it will NOW LOAD!!
As a side note, to use these HD-DVDsfor archival I was worried about retrieving the streams, I can get the video stream by using Dgindex but no audio so I am storing the ac3 stream on the discs in a sound folder. I can (and have) rebuilt the mpeg from the disc

Downloaded the trial version and giving it a shot on "2001" compessing it down to 88% which will allow for a DL burn, says it gonna take about 20 minutes....
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post #1255 of 1475
7/26/06 at 7:38pm
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Not at all. Fast forward and chapter skip are smooth as butter on my discs. I haven't had a single problem in this area. I was surprised at how quickly and cleanly these functions worked.

Any problems with commercial discs?

Nope, none.

The problem with these trailer discs is that the QT trailers are 24fps. I have to use DGpulldown to get them to 29.97. Then I have to run the Quickstream fix for Ulead to even like them. I have a feeling that might be part of the problem. Not sure why...but maybe. I've been working on this for weeks and it's driving me nuts.
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post #1256 of 1475
7/26/06 at 10:24pm
Just came aboard, all you guys are doing a great job glad to have found this forum.
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post #1257 of 1475
7/26/06 at 10:27pm
Well, BangoO sent me a chunk of his problem stream (actually, he sent 5 ts files, about 500MB total, and for the record, yousendit.com worked just fine).
- I launched VideoRedoPlus (version 2.2.1.445) and hit "Open Video"
- In the "Open" dialog box, I selected all 5 ts streams and clicked "Open"
- When prompted to "Combine or Join Files" I chose "Combine"
- Once the video was open on the timeline, I clicked "Save As..."
- Prompted: "Do you wish re-mux the entire input file?", clicked "Yes"
- Saved the file as "bango-test.mpg" (Save as type: MPEG Program Streams)
- Launched ULead VideoStudio 10+ (version 10.0.0110.0 Plus)
- From "Tools" menu, selected "Create Disk"
- Changed project type to HD-DVD in lower left corner
- Did NOT change any project properties ("Do not convert compliant..." was checked in properties page)
- Unchecked create menu, clicked on "Add video files" icon, added "bango-test.mpg"
- Clicked Next; Clicked Next again
- Checked box to "Create HD-DVD Folders", set output directory, clicked burn
- VS10+ did NOT re-encode and created the fileset quickly
- Launched Nero Burning ROM (version 7.2.3.2)
- In new project dialog, selected type DVD-ROM (UDF)
- On "Multi-session" tab, selected "No multi-session"
- On "UDF" tab, selected "Enable X-Box Compatibility..."
- Clicked "New" button
- Added folders "Hvdvd_ts" and "Adv_obj" to disk (Adv_obj is empty, and I'm pretty sure it's not required)
- Burned to Verbatim DVD+RW (4x)
- Popped the DVD into the Toshiba HD-A1 (firmware v1.4), hit play
- HD-A1 is connected to my low-end Sony receiver via optical and analog

The disk played flawlessly, both video and audio, through both optical and analog.

BangoO - can you please describe what you hear from your test DVD's? Does the audio drop out? Pops and clicks? No audio whatsoever?

If you send me your email address via PM, I'll send the HVDVD_TS folder to you so you can burn my output onto a disk to test. This should help to pinpoint the problem.

texmex
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post #1258 of 1475
7/26/06 at 10:28pm
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Originally Posted by DigitalfreakNYC View Post

god this is SO annoying!

The toshiba will play the HD DVD's but any time i skip to the next chapter or fast-forward, it freaks out. It will pause and then shut down and say "error."

Anyone else experiencing this!??!?!?

No problems here either. Must be unique to the 24p conversion.
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post #1259 of 1475
7/26/06 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by texmex View Post

Well, BangoO sent me a chunk of his problem stream (actually, he sent 5 ts files, about 500MB total, and for the record, yousendit.com worked just fine).
- I launched VideoRedoPlus (version 2.2.1.445) and hit "Open Video"
- In the "Open" dialog box, I selected all 5 ts streams and clicked "Open"
- When prompted to "Combine or Join Files" I chose "Combine"
- Once the video was open on the timeline, I clicked "Save As..."
- Prompted: "Do you wish re-mux the entire input file?", clicked "Yes"
- Saved the file as "bango-test.mpg" (Save as type: MPEG Program Streams)
- Launched ULead VideoStudio 10+ (version 10.0.0110.0 Plus)
- From "Tools" menu, selected "Create Disk"
- Changed project type to HD-DVD in lower left corner
- Did NOT change any project properties ("Do not convert compliant..." was checked in properties page)
- Unchecked create menu, clicked on "Add video files" icon, added "bango-test.mpg"
- Clicked Next; Clicked Next again
- Checked box to "Create HD-DVD Folders", set output directory, clicked burn
- VS10+ did NOT re-encode and created the fileset quickly
- Launched Nero Burning ROM (version 7.2.3.2)
- In new project dialog, selected type DVD-ROM (UDF)
- On "Multi-session" tab, selected "No multi-session"
- On "UDF" tab, selected "Enable X-Box Compatibility..."
- Clicked "New" button
- Added folders "Hvdvd_ts" and "Adv_obj" to disk (Adv_obj is empty, and I'm pretty sure it's not required)
- Burned to Verbatim DVD+RW (4x)
- Popped the DVD into the Toshiba HD-A1 (firmware v1.4), hit play
- HD-A1 is connected to my low-end Sony receiver via optical and analog

The disk played flawlessly, both video and audio, through both optical and analog.

BangoO - can you please describe what you hear from your test DVD's? Does the audio drop out? Pops and clicks? No audio whatsoever?

If you send me your email address via PM, I'll send the HVDVD_TS folder to you so you can burn my output onto a disk to test. This should help to pinpoint the problem.

texmex


I've seen his problem on a friend's system. Every disc I make plays with perfect audio and video , on my system, yet the same disc on his system have what sounds like scrambled audio through the SPIDF. We hooked up his 5.1 analog outputs and the audio is fine, yet it is scrambled through his digital output. Same discs play perfectly on my player, and my reciever. Toshiba players are running the same firmware. We came to the conclusion that the difference must be in the way certain recievers decode thed digital output of these 'home-made' hd-dvds.

Marc.
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post #1260 of 1475
7/26/06 at 10:42pm
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Originally Posted by BangoO View Post

When I tried with VS10+, I've set it to 5.1, it gave the exact same result as MF5 without setting anything, which means I get 5.1 sound, but crappy... I should record it as I don't how to explain it

Maybe I didn't listen closely enough - couldn't crank up the volume b/c gf was asleep. Please define "crappy". I was expecting dropouts or something similar. I'll listen again in the morning with more volume, but try to explain "crappy" so I know what to listen for.

I do have one theory about the problem - when I open just the first ts file in VideoRedoPlus and select "Show Video Program Info" from the "Tools" menu, it shows the audio as 2.0. If I open any other ts, it shows 5.1. This is certainly due to the fact that the lead-in to the program was 2.0, so we've caught the last few frames of 2.0 audio. The transition from 2.0 to 5.1 has been problematic in other "extraction" applications, so maybe this is the culprit here too. Try clipping the first few seconds from the file, making sure that the resulting stream is showing up as 5.1 in VideoRedoPlus. Let me know if that makes any difference.

texmex
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