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post #331 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Hyrax View Post

Can you tell me which version of Vegas you're using? Does their DVD Authoring package even talk about supporting HD content? I suspect it will support BD before HD-DVD, but who knows...

I'm using Platinum Vegas Movie Studio & DVD (6.0a). It has HD capability as Sony sells some HDV cameras. Definitely supports at least 1920x1080. It doesn't seem to be aware (yet) of HD-DVD formats so I don't think you can author the disc within Vegas. Instead, you can render to an MPEG2 file. It gets a .m2t extension (MPEG2 transport). If you change the name to .mpg, MF5 knows what to do with it and can create the HVDVD_TS folder and files you need for HD-DVD discs. Wouldn't be surprised if a downloadable update will eventually be issued to allow burning directly in Vegas. Hopefully they won't wait until real HD-DVD burners are available.
post #332 of 1475
1280x1088i vob/mpeg2 extracted and muxed from HDtivo will need to be reencoded to 1080i????? If so thats gonna suck
post #333 of 1475
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Originally Posted by vurbano View Post

1280x1088i vob/mpeg2 extracted and muxed from HDtivo will need to be reencoded to 1080i????? If so thats gonna suck

Don't know about HDtivo, but I did a test with a 1280x1080i Voom channel from Dish and it did not require reencoding (from a Nextcom R5000 recording). If and when Dish moves to MPEG4 on those channels, of course, it will.
post #334 of 1475
Vegas series of software is own by Sony.. so I guess they won't have any support for HD-DVD.... but for blu-ray, it surely does
post #335 of 1475
Everytime I tried to put multiply HD video clips from my Sony HC3 onto one disk using Ulead MF 5, I got problems playing the whole content on HD-A1. The Toshiba player never plays from the beginning of the disk, instead it always starts somewhere in the middle of the disk. I know this question has been asked several times in this thread in the past, but I don't recall it had ever gotten a straight answer from anybody yet.
So forgive my asking here again, has anybody been successful in authoring several video clips onto one disk using the methods described here and getting it to play properly without any glitches on Toshiba HD-A1??
post #336 of 1475
So Michael, your process is : VideoRedo > Avisynth > Procoder 2.0 > Ulead VS10 > Ulead MF5 > Nero. That is a lot of steps for creating a flawless HDDVD. But it looks like Ulead MF5 > Nero as a process just isn't going to cut it.
post #337 of 1475
Has anyone tried to make a HD-DVD from a Quicktime Pro HD file (.mov)? I haven't been able to get my XA-1 to display it...it reads it as a HD-DVD & then starts to play but I don't have any audio or video...
post #338 of 1475
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Originally Posted by MichaelZ View Post

How did you make it? Did you use Ulead tools or just copy the file over?

You guys that are getting MF5 authored disks to play on the A1 - are you burning MF5 HD DVD folder images that have a HDVTS folder with .vob & .ifo and .evo files? I burned a DVD like that and my XA1 said "no play".

I tried just burning an mpeg video file to a DVD (which sounds like brogan was asking with a .mov file), and my XA1 first displayed "CD" in the LED and then locked up. I didn't think it would work, but gave it a try.


I'm wondering if you need to burn the MF5 HD DVD folders into a standard DVD disk structure to get it to work.

Its a 720p broadcast recording in mpeg2 that I'm trying to burn to a DVBD format the XA1 will read & play.
post #339 of 1475
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Originally Posted by DaveinTucson View Post

You guys that are getting MF5 authored disks to play on the A1 - are you burning MF5 HD DVD folder images that have a HDVTS folder with .vob & .ifo and .evo files? I burned a DVD like that and my XA1 said "no play".

I tried just burning an mpeg video file to a DVD (which sounds like brogan was asking with a .mov file), and my XA1 first displayed "CD" in the LED and then locked up. I didn't think it would work, but gave it a try.


I'm wondering if you need to burn the MF5 HD DVD folders into a standard DVD disk structure to get it to work.

Its a 720p broadcast recording in mpeg2 that I'm trying to burn to a DVBD format the XA1 will read & play.


Just follow the tutorial from earlier in the thread...create the HV_DVD folder in MF5 & drop right on the DVD when in nero...you should have a HD, video & audio folders...the burn button will grayed out until you put a text file in the vide folder(name the text file video_ts.vob & drop in the video file) once you do that, you can burn...you will get warnings, just ignore them...I haven't any luck w/HD .mov files, but I was able to make a HD-DVD out the X-Men3 7 minute clip (it was a .ts file) & a WMV-HD clip of T2...my XA-1 reads the.mov as a HD-DVD everytime, plays the green preview splash screen & then I get no video & no audio for the duration of the clip I burned...
post #340 of 1475
Yes, I copied the tutorial to text file for handy reference . . . and, re-checking it, I see I missed a step:
"STEP 10-
Go to your desktop and create a new text file. To do this right click on the desktop and select NEW. Then select TEXT DOCUMENT. Now right click this file and select "rename". Rename the file "VIDEO_TS.VOB" and drag it into to Nero screen. You need to drop it into the folder "VIDEO_TS" (it has the red folder icon)"

- I must have selected a new DVD data disk in Nero when I burned - I wondered why it didn't bug me about the missing VIDEO_TS.VOB file.

Just tried to re-burn it as a DVD video, and sure enough, Nero insisted on having the .VOB file in the VIDEO_TS folder. That should do the trick.

Thanks!

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Originally Posted by brogan2424 View Post

Just follow the tutorial from earlier in the thread...create the HV_DVD folder in MF5 & drop right on the DVD when in nero...you should have a HD, video & audio folders...the burn button will grayed out until you put a text file in the vide folder(name the text file video_ts.vob & drop in the video file) once you do that, you can burn...you will get warnings, just ignore them...I haven't any luck w/HD .mov files, but I was able to make a HD-DVD out the X-Men3 7 minute clip (it was a .ts file) & a WMV-HD clip of T2...my XA-1 reads the.mov as a HD-DVD everytime, plays the green preview splash screen & then I get no video & no audio for the duration of the clip I burned...
post #341 of 1475
I'm getting the same results as Brogan on trying to convert 1080p HD *.mov trailers to HD DVD. MF5 loads the mov file OK AND it can be played AOK in MF5's preview screen (video and audio are perfect). However something is wrong with the conversion to HD DVD format. Once the process is completed and I have burned the HD DVD folder to a DVD+R disk my HD-A1 reads the disk as HD DVD but all I see is the green opening splash screen for the entire 2.5 minutes of the trailer. If MF5 can't properly decode the mov file then why does one see the green splash screen at all? And by the way it's the most beautiful green splash screen I've ever seen!
post #342 of 1475
When you have a 720p .ts file and MF5 converts it to say 1440x1080, how much bigger does the file become. How do you account for the larger file or is there a rule of thumb when you use null packet stripper to combine the .ts files (what MB do you split at?)to make sure the resultant MF5 .iso burns to a DVD-R?
post #343 of 1475
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Originally Posted by MichaelZ View Post

The filesize is simply a function of bitrate * time so the bigger the frame 1440x1080 the more bits used (at least it should use more). You can check what the bitrate is via the customize mpeg > compression and then based on what your 720p bitrate is and deduce the difference.

Thanks for pointing me in the right direction. So if my file is: 2,099,201 KB 720p with a bitrate of 12000. My bitate for 1440x1080 is 18000 variable, any ideas what the resulting iso from MF5 would be? 50% bigger?
post #344 of 1475
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Originally Posted by MichaelZ View Post

Which movie trailers? I would like to give it a whirl.

The one I was playing with was "Xmen The Last Stand" from the trailers section at apple.com

The link to the file is as follows:

http://movies.apple.com/movies/fox/x...and_h1080p.mov

A trick that I learned last night for downloading these files is to Google the entire URL above...Google will report no result for the search but it will say something like "Did you mean this link?" and it will have the above link highlighted in blue-you can then right click on the link and download the file to your drive. You can view these trailers using the free version of Quicktime 7.1 but if you want to save the trailers to disk you have to upgade to the Pro version of QT for $29. The above method is a workaround to that. In order to get the URL for the movie click on the desired trailer on the Apple site and pause it in the free version QT while playing-then select Window and "Show Movie Info" and it will display the trailer URL for you.

Note: I just noticed when doing this that the Xmen trailer is h.264 encoded. That's the problem we're facing here I think-no one had gotten h.264 to work with MF5 yet have they?
post #345 of 1475
hi im new to these forums does the( blu-ray scam nyc) thread on the hd-dvd player forum
have any thing in common with what we are trying to do here by any chance ( sony using a dvd+r in their blu-ray drive)
post #346 of 1475
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Originally Posted by skygnome2000 View Post

hi im new to these forums does the( blu-ray scam nyc) thread on the hd-dvd player forum
have any thing in common with what we are trying to do here by any chance ( sony using a dvd+r in their blu-ray drive)

Sure. Blu-ray essentially is the media (the disc), what will go on the first blu-ray discs is plain old mpeg-2 like what's on 9 yr old dvd's. Creating your own HD-DVDs is just writing mpeg-2 in a format that the HD-DVD player will recognize as HD-DVD, and that's what Sony probably did with their demo gone south.
post #347 of 1475
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Originally Posted by MichaelZ View Post

Which movie trailers? I would like to give it a whirl.



I was trying the hardest on the Superman Returns trailer...I also tried an X-men 3 & V for Vendetta trailers...I also tried to combine all & make my own little demo HD-DVD...didn't work, unfortunately...maybe you'll have better luck that I do...

~Vince
post #348 of 1475
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Originally Posted by MichaelZ View Post

It can be done, I just did the one of them but it requires more than just using MF5 or VS10 and to explain all that one needs to do would take quite a bit of writing.

Michael, thanks for your efforts and please enlighten us when you have time!

Given all those high quality HD trailers on the Apple site we have the opportunity to make our own demo disks that would make the Toshiba demo look like crap!
post #349 of 1475
My experience with the Apple trailers is that they'll load up in MF5, but after the long, long process of reencoding, one is left with a disc that plays only the first frame of the video. Blah.
post #350 of 1475
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Originally Posted by MichaelZ View Post

It can be done, I just did the one of them but it requires more than just using MF5 or VS10 and to explain all that one needs to do would take quite a bit of writing.

As happy as I am that someone has this working, I would appreciate a 1000 times more someone advising HOW TO DO IT EXACTLY

~Vince
post #351 of 1475
I've taken a series of screen shots of my May 14 test disc near the middle left of the screen at frame 341 on pause at each step of the conversion process. It's interesting to watch the loss of red,blue resolution at the MPEG conversion step due to the color compression, the lack of change in the MF5 MPEG and ECO files and then the difference between HDMI and component (which both show further red,blue resolution reduction). For the file views, I had my PC drive the Sharp 45" panel directly and for HDMI and Component, the HD-A1 drove the panel.

Original AVI file source(MediaPlayerClassic)
MPEG file created by Sony Vegas (MediaPlayerClassic)
MPEG file left by MF5 "correction" process(MediaPlayerClassic)
EVO file created by MF5(MediaPlayerClassic)
HD-A1 HDMI output
HD-A1 component output


(or just watch this cycle through the steps each 2.5 seconds)
post #352 of 1475
What mode was the Sharp in when connected to the PC? Digital HD or Digital PC ? or was it hooked up via VGA?
post #353 of 1475
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Originally Posted by MichaelZ View Post

I did a re-encode to mpeg2 and then fed this directly into MF5 and you would need a couple of tools (not free) to do it. BUT, I am working on a possibly easy way to directly feed these but you would have to download a program to do it (it is free). I have it creating a folder now of a couple clips and I'll check it in the AM to see if it works or not.


Michael,
what program did you use to re-encode the .mov to mpeg2? What other programs do you have to use to make it work? Hopefully, the easy way you mention will work out...

~Vince
post #354 of 1475
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Originally Posted by WiFi-Spy View Post

What mode was the Sharp in when connected to the PC? Digital HD or Digital PC ? or was it hooked up via VGA?

Neither one. The DVI cable of the external controller of the Sharp LC-45GX6U was disconnected and driven by the DVI output of the PC as a 1920x1080 display. As many other Sharp owners do, I use a Geffen DVI switch to toggle between PC and controller driving the display.
post #355 of 1475
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Originally Posted by MichaelZ View Post

I used procoder and it will convert it straight to HD mpg2 as well as convert the sound.


Michael,
everytime I try to add the .mov file in Procoder 2.0, I get a error box that says "QT Reader : General Error"
I don't use Procoder that much so i'm not familiar w/this message (other than "QT" standing for quicktime)...does anyone know a way around this?

~~Vince
post #356 of 1475
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Originally Posted by brogan2424 View Post

Michael,
everytime I try to add the .mov file in Procoder 2.0, I get a error box that says "QT Reader : General Error"
I don't use Procoder that much so i'm not familiar w/this message (other than "QT" standing for quicktime)...does anyone know a way around this?

Is it really 2.0.0? The 2.0.4 release a few months ago had a lot of very valuable bug fixes.
post #357 of 1475
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Originally Posted by benwaggoner View Post

Is it really 2.0.0? The 2.0.4 release a few months ago had a lot of very valuable bug fixes.


I don't use the program that much & I wasn't aware of a new release...you wouldn't happen to be able to send me that update would you? I'm unable to get it from the website...

~Vince
post #358 of 1475
Anyone burned the open source movie here: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...&&#post7675419 yet? I downloaded the 1.4G of files and burned a disc. It looks great but is silent but not sure why.
post #359 of 1475
Here's a puzzler. I have a .ts file edited with HDTVtoMPEG2 (Battlestar Galactica Episode 2-13 Epiphanies) that I tried to convert to program stream with MPEG-VCR. The file reports and plays back in the program as just over 8 minutes long. The original .ts edited file is over 3.5 GBs, but much of it is invisible to MPEG-VCR. When I play back the file in MyHD, it's all there. I ran it through MPEG2Repair, but no luck. So far, I've been able to repair every episode of the show that I've edited with H2M except for this one. I do this by editing around the original H2M edit points with MPEG-VCR. This gets rid of the time code inconsistencies and allows me to convert the .ts files to program stream. A strange anomaly.

I'm curious as to what kind of success those who are using this technique are having. So far, I've had a lot more success than failure, but some things just refuse to play nice with MF5.

From Dish Network and OTA, I've had success with: Battlestar Galactica, Rick Steves' Europe, Jeff Corwin Experience, Miracle Planet (Discovery HD documentary series), Smart Travels, Smallville (HDNet and OTA), 100 Greatest Discoveries, and a few movies (including Men in Black).

Failures include: Road Trip (Discovery HD), HD Getaways (Discovery HD), numerous movies (including Robots, Stakeout). Most movies, of course, won't fit on a double layer disc, so it's useless at this point to do more than test.
post #360 of 1475
I have a feeling the .ts is using nonstandard PIDs. Use a tool like PRM.exe or TStoATSC to remap the PIDs to ATSC compliant ones.
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