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post #391 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Joe Linn View Post

I've been trying everything I can think of and I always get the skipping I have described. Around 2 or 3 times a minute, there is about a 1/10 second freeze frame then the video skips to where it would have been without the freeze frame.

Has anyone else noticed that, or am I the only one having the problem? Is everyone else producing perfect HD-DVDs with no freezing or skipping?

I have tried video I shot on the Sony HC1. I've used video from HBO. I've used DVD+R and DVD-R. I enabled two pass encoding. I used two different burning programs (Nero and 1 Click DVD Copy). The results are always the same. I have burned multiple DVDs from the same DVD folder on my hard disk. All disks burned from the same folder skip in the same places. That seems to indicate it is in the HDVD_TS folder itself. I haven't seen any skipping on the HD-DVD movies I have bought.

I'd appreciate any suggestions, ideas, or comments. I really want to make this work.

Thanks!

Joe

Joe,

I believe I've just had a burn do what you are describing. It was an episode of Great Candadian Rivers from Discovery HD Theater. What made it different from all my successful burns (which do include material from my HC1) is that MF5 insisted on doing a video conversion. All my successful burns have processed without re-encoding. They are simply a matter of reformatting the HD files as EVOs, rather than re-encoding the video. Whenever MF5 has had to do a conversion, I've noticed stuttering playback, much as you describe. It has happened unpredictably, though. I can't say what might be causing it. Wish I could be of more help, but I think what is needed is some insight into why MF5 thinks it needs to re-encode. Has anyone contacted Ulead on this? I haven't yet, but maybe there are some answers on their message boards.
post #392 of 1475
Are the burnt discs meant to be detected as DVD or HD DVD?

Anyone managed to burn this Britney file?
http://206.159.116.24/public.htm
post #393 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Krobar View Post

Are the burnt discs meant to be detected as DVD or HD DVD?

Anyone managed to burn this Britney file?
http://206.159.116.24/public.htm

The discs have to be recognized as HD DVD (that is, they must have all the necessary files for HD DVD compliance - EVO, IFO, BUP, etc.) for the player to play the HD content. The only reason we go through the process of putting a dummy DVD-like file in the Video_ts folder is to fool Nero into allowing us to burn the disc. It serves no other purpose. That's also why Nero gives us the warning that the DVD we are about to burn failed the DVD compliance test.

Does anyone know if we could skip this process if we chose UDF in Nero?
post #394 of 1475
I think that might be related to what I'm trying with DVD-RAM. I'm copying the HD folder to a blank UDF 2.0 formatted disc. The result is the Tosh detects HD-DVD and starts to play but sits there at 0:00.
post #395 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Mooneyass View Post

My Lite-on and LG burners dont allow selection of book type. For the $40 I'll go grab a Pioneer if they are working.

Don't know which LG you have but go on to their website and check for firmware update that include the bit setting function. I updated my LG 4120 internal with the latest firmware last year (can't remember when at the moment) and I can set the book type on +R/RW discs.

BTW, I have checked my burnt Fuji DVD+R DL SD-DVD and it is indeed DVD-ROM book type. It works w/ extremely slow load time.
post #396 of 1475
I had a successful session with Batman Begins today, but it was painfully slow. I decided to just wait and see what happened if I let MF5 sit there and churn at the point in the past where I assumed it had frozen up. It went through the process, but each step was extremely slow. I can't say how long because I just let it run and went to do other things. Finally, it did complete and gave me a good burn to an HVDVD folder. Note that it did NOT re-encode. It's just that each step took an inordinately long time to complete, but not as long as a video re-encode would have taken. The whole thing finished in a lot less than 4 hours from start to finish. How much I don't know. This means, I suppose, I can get a lot more good burns with patience. Of course, the Batman Begins was from HBO and was too large for me to burn to double layer, but it does work. I can store it on three single layer discs until the HD DVD recordables become affordable - I'll give it a couple of years.
post #397 of 1475
Just buy the HD DVD later this year.
post #398 of 1475
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

Just buy the HD DVD later this year.

There's a thought.
post #399 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I had a successful session with Batman Begins today, but it was painfully slow. I decided to just wait and see what happened if I let MF5 sit there and churn at the point in the past where I assumed it had frozen up. It went through the process, but each step was extremely slow. I can't say how long because I just let it run and went to do other things. Finally, it did complete and gave me a good burn to an HVDVD folder. Note that it did NOT re-encode. It's just that each step took an inordinately long time to complete, but not as long as a video re-encode would have taken. The whole thing finished in a lot less than 4 hours from start to finish. How much I don't know. This means, I suppose, I can get a lot more good burns with patience. Of course, the Batman Begins was from HBO and was too large for me to burn to double layer, but it does work. I can store it on three single layer discs until the HD DVD recordables become affordable - I'll give it a couple of years.

Creating a Batman Begins HD-DVD version from HBO


Combining the 106 TS files using HDTV2Mpeg2 = 15 minutes
Coverting the 10.5GB TS file t0 MPEG2 using Womble = 30 minutes
(also splitting the 10.5GB TS file into 6.5GB and 4GB TS files)

Creating the 2 HDVD ISOs (1 for the dual layer, 1 for the single = 60 minutes
using Ulead Movie Factory)

Buring the dual layer HD-DVD (DVD +R DL) using Nero (at 2.4x) =40 minutes

Burning the single layer HD-DVD (DVD +R) usning Nero (x4) =15 minutes

So the entire process took about 2 hours and 40 minutes, and the resulting home-made HD-DVD is spanned across a dual layer and a single layer. Since you're fitting a 10.5 gig movie onto about 12.4 gigs of space, there's enough room to choose a good split point at which to break the movie into two pieces. I chose the spot where Dr crane and Katie Holmes go into the elevator in Arcam Asylum and the door closes. Great spot to switch to disk two since it's a clean scene break. That leaves about an 1:06 on the first disk(dual layer) and about 45minutes on the second sngle layer.

Most feature length films I've created will span across 1 dual layer and 1 single layer DVDR quite nicely. Brings back the old memories of changing sides back in the days of Laserdisc!

Just though a few people would appreciate some insight into how I'm doing things.

Of course, when the real thing comes out, I'll gladly buy it. For now this method lets us watch HD-DVDs of Back to the Future, Ice Age, Spiderman and other HD titles that may never see the light of day on HD-DVD.

Marc.
post #400 of 1475
Did you strip null packets first?
post #401 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Marc D Carra View Post

Creating a Batman Begins HD-DVD version from HBO


Combining the 106 TS files using HDTV2Mpeg2 = 15 minutes
Coverting the 10.5GB TS file t0 MPEG2 using Womble = 30 minutes
(also splitting the 10.5GB TS file into 6.5GB and 4GB TS files)

Creating the 2 HDVD ISOs (1 for the dual layer, 1 for the single = 60 minutes
using Ulead Movie Factory)

Buring the dual layer HD-DVD (DVD +R DL) using Nero (at 2.4x) =40 minutes

Burning the single layer HD-DVD (DVD +R) usning Nero (x4) =15 minutes

So the entire process took about 2 hours and 40 minutes, and the resulting home-made HD-DVD is spanned across a dual layer and a single layer. Since you're fitting a 10.5 gig movie onto about 12.4 gigs of space, there's enough room to choose a good split point at which to break the movie into two pieces. I chose the spot where Dr crane and Katie Holmes go into the elevator in Arcam Asylum and the door closes. Great spot to switch to disk two since it's a clean scene break. That leaves about an 1:06 on the first disk(dual layer) and about 45minutes on the second sngle layer.

Most feature length films I've created will span across 1 dual layer and 1 single layer DVDR quite nicely. Brings back the old memories of changing sides back in the days of Laserdisc!

Just though a few people would appreciate some insight into how I'm doing things.

Of course, when the real thing comes out, I'll gladly buy it. For now this method lets us watch HD-DVDs of Back to the Future, Ice Age, Spiderman and other HD titles that may never see the light of day on HD-DVD.

Marc.

Hey, Marc, GREAT WORK!!
You have to fill us in on more details. But does your version allow you to burn the ISO file to the HDDVD folder in MF5? because most of us here don't have that option on our MF5 versions. And the resulting disk usually don't play from the beginning to end on HD-A1.
post #402 of 1475
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

Hey, Marc, GREAT WORK!!
You have to fill us in on more details. But does your version allow you to burn the ISO file to the HDDVD folder in MF5? because most of us here don't have that option on our MF5 versions. And the resulting disk usually don't play from the beginning to end on HD-A1.

Yes, my version has the 'create iso' option. So I just create the ISO and burn it with Nero. Every disc has worked perfectly so far.

The null packets were removed in the original recording process, BTW.

Marc.
post #403 of 1475
Marc, did you buy the MF5 recently or a few months ago? because as I understand it they took the option out after the initial release.
post #404 of 1475
The only thing i have in HD are Biniki Destination Fantasy and Light , Camera , Action. 2 Video films show off of naked women.. LOL!

I did

- Using HDTV2MPEG latest version did a .ts to .mpg<<br /> - Loaded the file in Ulead
- Converted using .ISO in ulead
- Loaded the .ISO in DVDDECRYTER Write Mode
- Burned the file , work flasless

BD is 4gig took about 40min for the whole process
LIGHT Cam, Action is 6 gig on a +DL took about 1 hour..

Both work flawless, and are great demo material if you don't have a girlfriend nearby LOL!
post #405 of 1475
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

Marc, did you buy the MF5 recently or a few months ago? because as I understand it they took the option out after the initial release.


I got it when it first came out awhile back. I think its the first revision.

Marc.
post #406 of 1475
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Originally Posted by GodobeHD View Post

Hey, Marc, GREAT WORK!!
You have to fill us in on more details. But does your version allow you to burn the ISO file to the HDDVD folder in MF5? because most of us here don't have that option on our MF5 versions. And the resulting disk usually don't play from the beginning to end on HD-A1.

This hasn't been the case with my burns. They have played all the way through. Otherwise, this process would be useless to me. I don't have the version with the option to burn ISO, either.
post #407 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Marc D Carra View Post

Creating a Batman Begins HD-DVD version from HBO


Combining the 106 TS files using HDTV2Mpeg2 = 15 minutes
Coverting the 10.5GB TS file t0 MPEG2 using Womble = 30 minutes
(also splitting the 10.5GB TS file into 6.5GB and 4GB TS files)

Creating the 2 HDVD ISOs (1 for the dual layer, 1 for the single = 60 minutes
using Ulead Movie Factory)

Buring the dual layer HD-DVD (DVD +R DL) using Nero (at 2.4x) =40 minutes

Burning the single layer HD-DVD (DVD +R) usning Nero (x4) =15 minutes

So the entire process took about 2 hours and 40 minutes, and the resulting home-made HD-DVD is spanned across a dual layer and a single layer. Since you're fitting a 10.5 gig movie onto about 12.4 gigs of space, there's enough room to choose a good split point at which to break the movie into two pieces. I chose the spot where Dr crane and Katie Holmes go into the elevator in Arcam Asylum and the door closes. Great spot to switch to disk two since it's a clean scene break. That leaves about an 1:06 on the first disk(dual layer) and about 45minutes on the second sngle layer.

Most feature length films I've created will span across 1 dual layer and 1 single layer DVDR quite nicely. Brings back the old memories of changing sides back in the days of Laserdisc!

Just though a few people would appreciate some insight into how I'm doing things.

Of course, when the real thing comes out, I'll gladly buy it. For now this method lets us watch HD-DVDs of Back to the Future, Ice Age, Spiderman and other HD titles that may never see the light of day on HD-DVD.

Marc.

For those of you interested in doing 2-disc solutions, another benefit is that some movies that take *forever* to process (without even re-encoding) go through very fast if broken into two parts. Robots worked this way for me. The first and second part of the movie moved through MF5 like lightning, but as soon as I merged the two files, mollasses in January. Am I the only one getting these odd results? A movie like Robots is ideal for double layer, because the whole film fits on one disc. I know in the long run I won't want to keep dual disc movies like this, so my plan is to burn the movies and then save the files to two or more discs, then recombine them to HD DVD when that options becomes affordable.

What baffles me is that some films (like Men in Black) go through the process quickly. Most don't, however.

BTW, someone asked earlier if there are any solutions to read HD DVDs on a computer (like WinDVD). InterVideo (WinDVD) does bundle software for reading HD DVDs on notebook computers with HD DVD drives from Toshiba (shipping now). They plan to offer HD DVD playback with the WinDVD player sometime in late 2006 or early 2007. (Of course, MS plans support for HD DVD in Vista.) If you just want to check your EVO files, the best program I've found for that is Media Player Classic (free MS download).
post #408 of 1475
Thats right Joe, its definietly quicker to split the file. With any recording that will fit all on a dual layered disc, I still prefer to keep it on one disc, but for most of my movies, splitting is required. Still I don't mind 50cents for a good single layered DVD and 2 bucks for a good dual layered. So on average a home-made HD Movie is costing me $2.50. Not too shabby.

Marc.
post #409 of 1475
I tried an experiment today that may be useful to a small number of people...

I had a transport stream of the INHD Tune-Up, so I converted it to a program stream using VideoRedo+ and then loaded it up into MF5. I asked it to save it to a folder for me to burn (I'm using the trial version). It finished quickly, as the file is only ~300MB or so. I then transfered the folder to my Mac and used Toast 7(.02) to burn to a UDF (v1.02) disc. Once it finished, I ejected and then reinserted. Apple's DVD player fired up and played it, albeit without audio. So, I ejected the disc and inserted into my HD-A1 and it played perfectly - video and sound!

The next thing I am trying is to use a larger file. I've split up a movie into 2 chunks, and I'm currently waiting for MF5 to decide if it's going to do anything with it. It's a real lazy program... first it makes you wait forever before you can click on the file when adding media, then afterwards it just accesses the hard disk for another while (total to get to the burn screen is about 30 minutes). My machine has an AMD X2 chip with 2GB memory. Not impressed. In many respects, I'm glad there is a trial version, unless anyone can report that it behaves so much better once you've bought it
If there was another way to author an ISO image (Windows, Mac or whatever), that would be really neat, I don't care for menus for a single program.

Does anyone know the real capacity of blank DVD-R and DVD+R DL discs? I have a program that I'd like to burn to a dual layer disc that Windows reports as 8.5GB. Realistically, that's not going to fit right? (Just my luck I'm a few bytes over). Does 2 x DVD-R make more than 1 x DVD+R DL ?
post #410 of 1475
What is the best place to buy MF5 from?
post #411 of 1475
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Originally Posted by aaronwt View Post

What is the best place to buy MF5 from?

**********. Seriously, it's the only way to get the Blu-Ray support, and maybe the ISO output, too.
post #412 of 1475
Have you tried the VLC player, video lan?
Plays about everything. Its free
Gene
post #413 of 1475
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Originally Posted by lazyn00b View Post

**********. Seriously, it's the only way to get the Blu-Ray support, and maybe the ISO output, too.

What is the Best place to Purchase MF5.
post #414 of 1475
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Originally Posted by lazyn00b View Post

**********. Seriously, it's the only way to get the Blu-Ray support, and maybe the ISO output, too.

Or if you bought it right when it was released
post #415 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Eugene157 View Post

Have you tried the VLC player, video lan?
Plays about everything. Its free
Gene


Have you even bothered reading what this thread is about? Ulead MF5 isn't for playback.


Marc.
post #416 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Marc D Carra View Post

Have you even bothered reading what this thread is about? Ulead MF5 isn't for playback.


Marc.

I think he may have been referring to my post about playing back EVO files with Media Player Classic. VLC does a good job with lots of file types. I like Media Player Classic, because its overhead is low and it plays most file types, too. I really haven't tired VLC for EVOs, but it would probably be a good choice, also.
post #417 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I think he may have been referring to my post about playing back EVO files with Media Player Classic. VLC does a good job with lots of file types. I like Media Player Classic, because its overhead is low and it plays most file types, too. I really haven't tired VLC for EVOs, but it would probably be a good choice, also.


My bad Gene. You didn't quote the posting you were responding to and the previous posting was about Ulead MF 5, which is stricly for recording.


Marc.
post #418 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

I really haven't tired VLC for EVOs, but it would probably be a good choice, also.

Yes - VLC plays EVOs also. Like mplayerc it sometimes has trouble with audio.
post #419 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Joseph Clark View Post

Joe,

All my successful burns have processed without re-encoding. They are simply a matter of reformatting the HD files as EVOs, rather than re-encoding the video. Whenever MF5 has had to do a conversion, I've noticed stuttering playback, much as you describe. .

I have had the stuttering video playback on every HD-DVD I have created. I wonder if something I am doing is causing it to re-encode everything I do?

How can you tell if it is re-encoding the video? I went into "share" and selected "HD-DVD." I unchecked the option to create a menu. I checked the "do not re-encode compliant files" option. When I select "burn", the first status message I see is "converting title." Since there is no menu, does "converting title" mean it is re-encoding the video?

I have been searching the Ulead forums, both for MF5 and Video Studio 10 but I haven't found anything to answer my questions. I'm looking either for reference to the stuttering video or something telling how to be sure you don't re-encode.

The only other thought that occurs to me is that HDV video from the Sony HC1 is CBR 25000. The default option on Ulead's menu to burn HD-DVD is VBR 18000. Could it be that my video is getting re-encoded because the higher constant bit rate makes Ulead consider the file non-complaint?

Thanks!

Joe
post #420 of 1475
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Originally Posted by Joe Linn View Post

I have had the stuttering video playback on every HD-DVD I have created. I wonder if something I am doing is causing it to re-encode everything I do?

How can you tell if it is re-encoding the video? I went into "share" and selected "HD-DVD." I unchecked the option to create a menu. I checked the "do not re-encode compliant files" option. When I select "burn", the first status message I see is "converting title." Since there is no menu, does "converting title" mean it is re-encoding the video?

I have been searching the Ulead forums, both for MF5 and Video Studio 10 but I haven't found anything to answer my questions. I'm looking either for reference to the stuttering video or something telling how to be sure you don't re-encode.

The only other thought that occurs to me is that HDV video from the Sony HC1 is CBR 25000. The default option on Ulead's menu to burn HD-DVD is VBR 18000. Could it be that my video is getting re-encoded because the higher constant bit rate makes Ulead consider the file non-complaint?

Thanks!

Joe


Yes, if you see 'converting..' that means that MF5 is re-encoding the video. All the VBR and CBR settings only pertain to re-encoding. I've never touched them since I don't do re-ecoding. If the source file is 1280x1080, or 1920x1080(which most of my recordings have been), there's no re-encoding to be done.

Marc.
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