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post #31 of 255
Hello, I'm thinking of buying the Quad 12Ls and Rotel RB-1050 amplifier for my stereo setup. It is my first ever stereo system and, RB-1050 being the only amplification, I wonder if it has enough power to play my thrash metal records right.
Do you think the 70W rated power into 8ohm of the Rotel RB-1050 is enough for the Quad 12Ls (88db sensitivity)?
My room is 162 square feet (15 square meters) by the way.
post #32 of 255
Olyrous, you shouldn't have a problem driving your speakers.
post #33 of 255
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Originally Posted by Olyrous View Post

It is my first ever stereo system ....

not a bad first system I'd say. Brings back memories of my first, an Electrophonic with 8 track (1977). I was thirteen.
post #34 of 255
I have had my Quad 11Ls for almost a year now and it's been nothing but enjoyable. I don't have the best room for accoustic so no magical soundstaging but I've never once got tired of them and I listen to them more than 10hrs a day.

The metal tweeter of another pair of speaker I tried was simply too harsh. Perhaps if I'd given it time to break-in they would have been fine but I found the Quad's balance really great for 99% classical/choral/opera listening. If you're into heavy rock etc other speakers might works better but don't know that.

The finish on these speakers are fab. I've got the black piano gloss. Very classy and understated.

Will definitely try out Quad 21L when I move to a larger place.
post #35 of 255
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Originally Posted by bg55 View Post

paradigm studio series is what i compared them to. i chose quad 22L's!!!

I compared the Paradigm Studio series and Monitor Audio Silver series. Also ended up choosing the Quad 22L. The reviews that I was able to find on-line were all top-notch, and they sounded better to me. Very transparent and, most important to me, the most neutral sounding of all of them. Build quality is superb, and the piano black finish is beautiful. Was running them with a Marantz SR8500 before switching to a Marantz SR8001 last week. The Quads sound even better. There is a bit better separation of instruments, and the soundstage is deeper. Effortless, smooth, wonderfully natural sound. Jazz and Classical SACDs are now the majority of my listening.

I just wish I could see what these speakers could do with some high end separates. I have the feeling they have a lot more potential than is being realized with even a premium quality receiver.
post #36 of 255
I have a pair of Vienna Acoustic Mozart. My only disappointment is they aren't bi-ampable. Has anyone compared the 22L to Viennas?
post #37 of 255
This thread is quiet. Any life here?

Need recommendations on an receiver/amp for either 22L or 22L2? Yamaha 2700 maybe??
Any suggestions? Budget range of $400-$1,500.

I live in the state area of NY, NJ, PA & CT. Any dealers you guys know that will offer excellent price on Quads?

Thanks
Cheers
Mohawk
post #38 of 255
I am about to purchase a pair of Quad 22Ls (along with a center speaker). The dealer also suggests a subwoofer (not Quad, probably DALI). Do these speakers need a sub? I will be using them for music and as part of a home theatre. Any opinions welcome.
post #39 of 255
Happy 22L / L Center owner here. Driving them with an Arcam avr300. MSRP on the avr300 is now 1699...after whatever discount your dealer gives you (10% maybe?) this is a great match just above your budget.

I don't use a sub for music with my 22l's...the arcam has a great analog direct mode for stereo sources which bypasses all dsp. For movies I use a sub though so it's the best of both worlds for me. My sub is by Epos, at this point probably the next thing in my system to be replaces. A good musical sub, but not the best for movies. And seeing as no longer use it for music....time to upgrade

Look up underwood hif on Audiogon for great deals on the entire L series.
post #40 of 255
I now have the Quads set up at home. I can only get them about 18 inches from the back wall for now. My room is much 'harder' than the showroom where I first heard them - hard wood floors, no curtains. The detail and soundstage are great, but they sound a bit harsher than in the showroom, and the bass isn't there yet, though in less than 24 hours I can already hear an improvement.

I don't really want a subwoofer, so I hope the bass continues to improve, and hopefully the high end will mellow a bit.
post #41 of 255
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Originally Posted by bobinnv View Post

I now have the Quads set up at home. I can only get them about 18 inches from the back wall for now. My room is much 'harder' than the showroom where I first heard them - hard wood floors, no curtains. The detail and soundstage are great, but they sound a bit harsher than in the showroom, and the bass isn't there yet, though in less than 24 hours I can already hear an improvement.

I don't really want a subwoofer, so I hope the bass continues to improve, and hopefully the high end will mellow a bit.


Just so no one gets the wrong impression - as discussed in another thread, adding a larger, thicker rug removed any edge or harshness. As time has gone by, the bass has gotten deeper, but remains tight and controlled. The speakers look great, and the sound is so detailed that I am hearing things in my CDs that I had never noticed before. I am quite happy with my purchase.
post #42 of 255
Where could I purchase QUAD speakers in Southern California. Or who is willing to ship that have good prices?
post #43 of 255
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Originally Posted by tangvtien View Post

Where could I purchase QUAD speakers in Southern California. Or who is willing to ship that have good prices?

As someone stated earlier, try Underwood Hi-Fi.

Underwood Hi-Fi
post #44 of 255
judt recent;y added 21L's for my rears...the setup is complete and im very happy with music and HT sound overall...im also using svs sub for that added bass!
post #45 of 255
I am interested in buying a second hand Quad centre speaker (in Australia they still appear to be expensive).

I have a Quad 44 Amp and pre amp, but I don't use that anymore, although I could use the Quad amp to drive the centre speaker.

I have a nice KEF sub base unit, and also some good enough rear speakers, and the fronts pair are Spendor S20s, which I doubt you guys would know about, but they are fantastic book shelf speakers with awesome sound. I have bi-amped them too.

Right now I am running the centre speaker from a Nakamichi Soundspace 5, which has its own amp in the speakers, but I suspect, despite the good sound of the Nakamichi, that the Quad might be tighter.

The amp is a receiver, I am not sure you have it in the States, its a Pioneer called here a VSXAX4ASiS , its the top model out here, but I am concerned whether the Quad centre speaker will be good enough?

The room is 5 metres by 6.5 metres, with heavy carpet and curtains, and the wall are solid brick, the windows fairly small with curtains (a 1920 house), its two story with a wooden ceiling and the house is very quiet, so its a good environment. The central speaker would be on the floor, with its rear close to the wall, with the 50 plasma above it by a few feet.

I'd appreciate some opinions!
post #46 of 255
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Originally Posted by Melbourne Park View Post

I am interested in buying a second hand Quad centre speaker (in Australia they still appear to be expensive).

I have a Quad 44 Amp and pre amp, but I don't use that anymore, although I could use the Quad amp to drive the centre speaker.

I have a nice KEF sub base unit, and also some good enough rear speakers, and the fronts pair are Spendor S20s, which I doubt you guys would know about, but they are fantastic book shelf speakers with awesome sound. I have bi-amped them too.

Right now I am running the centre speaker from a Nakamichi Soundspace 5, which has its own amp in the speakers, but I suspect, despite the good sound of the Nakamichi, that the Quad might be tighter.

The amp is a receiver, I am not sure you have it in the States, its a Pioneer called here a VSXAX4ASiS , its the top model out here, but I am concerned whether the Quad centre speaker will be good enough?

The room is 5 metres by 6.5 metres, with heavy carpet and curtains, and the wall are solid brick, the windows fairly small with curtains (a 1920 house), its two story with a wooden ceiling and the house is very quiet, so its a good environment. The central speaker would be on the floor, with its rear close to the wall, with the 50 plasma above it by a few feet.

I'd appreciate some opinions!

Given the size of that room, I can't really suggest the quad L center. Being the original poster, we have since changed all of our hifi to Elac...

The point is, the center is relatively small, we had it in a room of 5x10 m... having the center on the floor wouldn't help either; a modest stand will run you 200-250, and might be worth your consideration.
post #47 of 255
Have anyone compared the Quad L2 series and the L1 series? Is there significant differences? And have anyone compared a 21l2 and a 22l2? Thank You.
post #48 of 255
anyone use Quad speakers for surround sound? specifically the Lites for surround and maybe 22L for fromt left right and L center?

my concern is having a monopole speaker on the surrounds instead of a dipole/bipole

any experience? or suggestions?
post #49 of 255
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Originally Posted by ericcsong View Post

anyone use Quad speakers for surround sound? specifically the Lites for surround and maybe 22L for fromt left right and L center?

my concern is having a monopole speaker on the surrounds instead of a dipole/bipole

any experience? or suggestions?

I use a pair of 22Ls for my front speakers, an older pair of Thiels for the rear. My experience is that the rear channels contribute such a small (and subtle) part of the surround sound experience, that worrying about matching fronts and rears isn't really worth it.

On the other hand, about 80% of what I listen to is NOT surround sound; maybe if my system was for surround sound use only, matching fronts and rears would seem more important.
post #50 of 255
Short answer: Yes.

Longer answer: I'm using the L-Center in conjunction with the 11Ls (which are my mains). I use Wharfedale WH-2 bipoles as surrounds.

In a traditional 5.1 or 7.1 set up, the surrounds would (ideally) be placed on either side of the listening position, firing toward the listener. If that configuration works for your space, then the L-ite surrounds would be perfect.

In my current configuration, my surrounds are mounted slightly behind the listening position, on a rear wall, which makes the use of a bipole a bit more of a necessity.

As a general rule, the use of a center that has the same timbre as your mains creates a uniform sonic signature across the soundstage. That's one reason I went for the matching L-Center. I've been quite happy with it and would recommend it to you as a fellow Quad owner.
post #51 of 255
Do you know the difference between original L series and L2 series? in Fact the 21L is now 21L2.

Ciao
giuseppe
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post #53 of 255
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Originally Posted by granosalis View Post

Do you know the difference between original L series and L2 series? in Fact the 21L is now 21L2.

Ciao
giuseppe

I don't know all the differences but what I do know....

Better binding posts
Different base, giving it a wider and more stable footprint
Different tweeter (don't know if it's an improvement or not).

There is probably more that I don't know. Perhaps the manufacturers website has info?
post #54 of 255
Here it is the info from the manufacture, but I would like to know something from people who hear both.

21L2 Specification
Transducer Complement 2 Way
Cone Bass Driver 170mm / 6.5
Cone Bass / Mid Driver n/a
Soft Dome Tweeter 25mm / 1
Nominal Impedance 6 Ohms (compatible with 8 Ohm amplifier outputs)
Frequency Response (-6dB) 35Hz - 28kHz
Upper Limit (-10dB) 32kHz
Power Handling - Continuous 125W
Power Handling -
Recommended Amplifier 40-200W
Enclosure type Ported
System Fb 40Hz
Crossover Frequency(s) 2.2kHz
Construction 15/25mm MDF
Dimensions (H x W x D) 780 x 205 x 263mm
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21L Specification

Drivers: Bass 6.5", 170mm KEVLAR
Mid n/a
Tweeter 25mm Textile dome
Recommended Maximum Amplifier power per channel: 200w
Nominal Impedance: 6ohm (suitable for use with 8ohm amplifiers)
Sensitivity (1w @ 1m): 88dB
Frequency Response: 35Hz-24kHz
H.F. response limit: 43kHz
X-over point: 2.2kHz
Frequency Fb:40Hz
Height:780mm + 15mm plinth
Width:205mm
Depth: 263mm
post #55 of 255
would love to hear more quad l2 listening impressions
post #56 of 255
Hi guys! I am switching from the Ascend Acoustics owner's thread to the Quad owner's thread! I just purchased a full set! I have the 22L L2 Version 2floorstanders, the 12L bookshelves and the L2 Centre in Bird's eye. I got the whole deal new for $1650!

I will let you know how it all works out as soon as I receive them. I am very interested to see how they compare to the Ascends, as I have been searching for a set of speakers that compare--the Ascends are flat out unbelieveable, so it will take a lot.

--TDA
post #57 of 255
Congrats man! I have read many reviews that are very positive about the Quads. Some owners have mentioned though, that the L center is not up to par with the rest of the Quad line up. Let us know how the L center performs. I would like to hear how it stacks up to the Ascend center. My next speaker upgrade is going to be between the Quads, Ascend Sierras and the Revel Concertas. Enjoy!
post #58 of 255
I will do my best to compare the Ascend vs. the Quads. I absolutely love my Ascends, like I said previously, so it should be an interesting comparison. I have heard the same thing regarding the L centre. If it turns up to be short on detail I will just move it to the back for 6.1 and get a better more accurate center for the front... we shall see. If it comes to that, I will be back here asking for suggestions!

The speakers arrive January 4th. Was hoping they'd get here a bit sooner so I could fiddle with them over New Year's, but no joy.

--TDA
post #59 of 255
I am a new owner of the Quad 22L2's and an L2 center. I am driving them with an Onkyo TN-NR905. My room has cathedral ceilings and is about 30' long by 22' wide. I am not sure the Onkyo is a perfect match. The senstivity of the 22L2's is only 88db and I need to bring the Onkyo up to 0db or even up to +9db to get to what seems like a nice reference listening level. My friends agree they sound better pumped up to this level. Unfortunately, the Onkyo has kicked into protective shutoff mode several times already.

I have them set as full range, with no sub.

Another problem has been while playing a Japanese Kodo drumming CD, the bass seemed to cause the midrange woofer to vibrate excessively causing a distraction. I had the Onkyo at about -10db at that point. I was disappointed by this as I need to bring the volume at least to this level to really enjoy the music.

What are some thoughts here?

Otherwise I absolutely love the sound and the imaging.
post #60 of 255
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Originally Posted by facesnorth View Post

I am a new owner of the Quad 22L2's and an L2 center. I am driving them with an Onkyo TN-NR905. My room has cathedral ceilings and is about 30' long by 22' wide. I am not sure the Onkyo is a perfect match. The senstivity of the 22L2's is only 88db and I need to bring the Onkyo up to 0db or even up to +9db to get to what seems like a nice reference listening level. My friends agree they sound better pumped up to this level. Unfortunately, the Onkyo has kicked into protective shutoff mode several times already.

I have them set as full range, with no sub.

Another problem has been while playing a Japanese Kodo drumming CD, the bass seemed to cause the midrange woofer to vibrate excessively causing a distraction. I had the Onkyo at about -10db at that point. I was disappointed by this as I need to bring the volume at least to this level to really enjoy the music.

What are some thoughts here?

Otherwise I absolutely love the sound and the imaging.

First thing I would check would be the speaker levels. You can access this from the setup key on the remote under speaker calibration. If they are set too low keep increasing the level and see. The best thing to do though is to use SLP meter and calibration disk from any THX disc like Monsters Inc. If the Onkyo keeps shutting down and your speaker level are to the max, then I would say the Onkyo are running out of juice.
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