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First impressions of the LG 42LB1DR

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Just to let you know... I am a complete novice when it comes to HDTV. This forum has been a valuable resource for learning the pros & cons relative to the myriad of products in the market. The reason I chose this panel is because of the incredible amount of features in an "all-in-one" set.

The panel I was looking for needed to produce a decent image with SD content, offer good sound through the panel's speakers, and be able to utilize a cable card with TV Guide. I am currently running Comcast cable thru the component inputs until the cable company arrives this Tuesday with a cablecard.

As far as the SD content... I am very pleased. I briefly owned a Sharp 37D4U and became frustrated with the mushy/clay like images of peoples faces. The other thing I was frustrated with was the inability to reduce the overpowering red in the fleshtone of people. It appears the LG's XD engine works well in overcoming these issues I had with the Sharp panel. By no means do I believe it is perfect, but it is indeed a great improvement which makes the viewing of SD content pleasurable! Looking forward to seeing what the LG will do when hooked up to the cablecard.

As far as the sound... I am extremely pleased! The sound produced from this set with only 30 watts is far better than expected. Bass is strong thru the rear firing speakers... which I assume are subwoofers. BBE, Dolby Digital, and SRS Trusurround XT complement each other to produce an immersive 'sound' experience. I am pleased enough with the sound that I will not be using my Sony home theatre system.

The extra "bennys" this set offers are two HDMI, a built-in digital video recorder, and I believe the ability to 'hookup' to my laptop computer. So much to learn, and I'm sure there are more features I'm unaware of with this panel!!! If anyone else has this set... please feel free to share your knowledge and experience! For those of you who would like to know more... I'll try to answer your questions to the best of my ability.
post #2 of 231
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UGHH

Comcast was just out, and they forgot to bring a Cablecard. New appointment date is scheduled for this Friday.

They were nice enough to offer a STB, but passed on it. Knowing my luck, there would be even more confusion in the paperwork with two HDTV installs.

Hopefully I'll have more to share.

Hey... are there any other users of this panel out there?
post #3 of 231
I've had the 42LB1DR for 3 weeks, but I think I'm taking it back to BB. The only rub I have with the picture is that it has a pretty small sweet spot. In other words, unless you're sitting directly in front of the screen with your eyes at mid-screen level, you can see uneven brightness at the corners. Granted, this isn't apparent most of the time -- generally only when the screen is dark like the credits of a movie or in the side bars when you are watching an unstretched 4:3 signal. This may be common to all of the larger LCDs and it doesn't bother my wife at all, but it got to me over time.

But the real reason I'm not satisfied is the built-in DVR. I have an Moxi HD STB w/ DVR that I was hoping to give back to Adelphia and save some on the monthly cable fees, but the built-in DVR just doesn't work as smoothly nor does it have as many features as the STB. For example, the built-in doesn't have a Resume feature (I've confirmed this w/ LG), so if you cannot watch a recorded program completely, you have to start over from the beginning and fast forward to the point where you left off. This can take several minutes if you were deep into a 2-hour recording. Also, when I've used the manual record feature to schedule a one time program, I've found that the TV often turns itself on at the scheduled time; this is bad enough, but it doesn't turn off at the end of the recording. LG customer service said the TV should never turn itself on, yet it's done it several times. So, I'm asking myself why should I pay extra for a built-in DVR that's a pain to use (in my view). [BTW, LG told me that the DVR soft/firmware is upgradeable via laptop, but only by a Certified Technician. So, the DVR issues I've described could be fixed, but there's no guarantee that there will be updates.]

I do like a lot about the TV -- the connections, the adjustability, the sound, the look of it, the swivel -- and loathe the thought of taking it back; but I just don't think I can live with its shortcomings.
post #4 of 231
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Hey NedDawg,

Appreciate the reply. Haven't notice light falloff because we use the 16:9 stretch format. Horizontal... there seems to be a large viewing range. I noticed vertical is somewhat sensitive to falloff. Haven't tried the DVR yet. Personally I have no interest in it, but my wife wanted to record 'soaps'. This is our first forey useing a DVR. We will give it a good workout this weekend to see if we encounter the same problems. So far we enjoy the panel, and look forward to seeing HDTV tomorrow. I hope the cablecard & TV Guide features meet our expectations also.

Sorry to hear that the set doesn't meet your expectations. I hope you find something that fits your needs should you decide to return it back to BB. I wouldn't know what to suggest, other than I was not that happy with Sharp. Good luck to ya'.
post #5 of 231
Kirwin,

You might be able to get the "network" HD signals without the cablecard. After receiving a tip from a friend and doing EZscan on the digital cable signal, I found HD NBC, ABC, CBS, Fox, and the local "public" TV station in the range of channels 94 to 103. (I couldn't find them in the on-screen TV Guide though.) Good luck with your set.
post #6 of 231
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Hi all,

The cablecard is installed and...

wow!!!

It's like looking thru a window, or actually being there! (Sorry for the cliches, but I don't know how else to describe the experience )

The cablecard on this panel seems to work well. Kinda' neat to see the HD source displayed on the info screen. Apparently the cablecard adjust the panel based on what signal source is being broadcast. (ie 720p & 1080i) 1080i is incredibly stunning! I need to check if there is something I can 'do' manually to control the output.

Something else fun with this panel is pausing live TV with the built-in DVR. Probably just fun for me because it's all new 'tech' to me.

Anyway just wanted to give a brief update to those who are interested. I'll be back later with another update... gotta' watch some more HDTV!
post #7 of 231
I owned this TV two weeks ago and (obviously, took it back.) I don't want to derail Kirwin's thread and won't, unless he, (or someone else) wants me to tell him/them, why it was deficient to me. Suffice it to say that I returned it for something else after much comparison and research.
post #8 of 231
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Originally Posted by thebigkahuna1 View Post

I owned this TV two weeks ago and (obviously, took it back.) I don't want to derail Kirwin's thread and won't, unless he, (or someone else) wants me to tell him/them, why it was deficient to me. Suffice it to say that I returned it for something else after much comparison and research.


Hey kahuna,

Feel free! This is an open forum, and as I stated in my first post... I'm fairly new to all this. The only other experience with a panel is with the Sharp 37d4u (which I returned). So far I'm still happy with the LG panel, but if there is something deficient with it... I want to know! I have 21 days to make a final decision with this TV, and maybe what you found to be unacceptable may have some impact on my final decision.
post #9 of 231
I will second Kirwin's request as to why you thought it was subpar.

I saw it at BB recently and it looked like the picture was plenty fine to me. But, to be honest, they're all starting to look like a blur to me. I've looked at so many panels in the last 2 months, I think I'm starting to go blind, then I won't need TV at all, eh?? Think of the money I'll save.......that is 'til I lose my job 'cuz........ehhh......I'm blind!

Anyway.........I'll have to admit that on paper it looks like the perfect set. I mean, I honestly think that LG actually LISTENED to what people want. All the inputs, tuner, dual-HDMI (still can't believe the folks putting out single HDMI sets), DVR, card slots so you can come home, pull the card from your camera & show off the pics and most important...............LCD so NO GLARE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

I still don't get why people aren't HUGELY going after LCD. Projection TV's suck.......(minus the Sony 60" SXRD which is $$$$$)..........Plasmas are pure glare unless you're in a totally dark room...........(yet mfgrs won't even make plasmas w/ a non-glass front, it's just glare & more glare year after year!)

I'm baffled as to why 42" LCD's aren't all over the market!


P.S. As a side note, I notice that LG's website has a totally different picture up for the 42LB1DR up than the BB website has (& what they have on display). I'd love to see the one on the LG website in person, it looks thing, slim & oh so sexy!
post #10 of 231
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Originally Posted by thebigkahuna1 View Post

I owned this TV two weeks ago and (obviously, took it back.) I don't want to derail Kirwin's thread and won't, unless he, (or someone else) wants me to tell him/them, why it was deficient to me. Suffice it to say that I returned it for something else after much comparison and research.

Kahuna,
I returned mine for the reasons stated earlier in this thread, mostly because of the ghost that kept turning on the unit without any reason (that I could determine). I didn't exchange it for another one of the same like LF suggested because I thought it was a software/firmware issue that popped up the way I was using it. Anyway, my wife's mighty ticked at me now because she got hooked on HD during the 3 weeks that we had it; so I'd be interested in knowing what you got instead. Thanks.
NedDawg
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I have been looking at LCDs for a long time. Was going to buy a soon to be introduced Sharp model, but I have seen these at BB and was wondering about the built-in DVR. I currently have a Panny E85H DVR and it has been very good, but when I buy a new LCD then the whole picture changes and I will be looking at HD content.

Can the LG built in record HD or is it just SD? Like I said I see these at BB but there are no specs listed for the DVR (capacity, HD or SD). If this will do HD then I could save a ton of money in the long run.

BTW, Kahuna, don't mean to pry, but why did you take it back?
post #12 of 231
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Arrrgggggghhhh

The TV Guide has not been working on the panel so I contacted LG. They informed me that TV Guide will not download in the Orlando area and they have NO estimated time when 'it' will work for our area! Not only that... The built-in DVR is useless because it will only schedule future recordings utilizing TV Guide!

I'm ticked. I love this TV... the picture and sound quality is fantastic. Why can't it just work as claimed by the manufacturer. I really thought I had a "keeper".
post #13 of 231
mabey tv guide on screen is for US only or does comcast not handle it?
post #14 of 231
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Originally Posted by MUGEN View Post

mabey tv guide on screen is for US only or does comcast not handle it?

Hi Mugen,

I'm a little confused... I am in the US.

LG told me that the TV Guide rides a feed downloaded thru WOFL... which I am receiving, but unfortunately they said TV Guide was having trouble with this stations feed. LG would not give a timeframe when this problem would be corrected. I asked if I could have the telephone number to TVGOS (TV Guide), but they would not release this number. I wanted to find out from TVGOS when they would have this problem resolved.
post #15 of 231
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Originally Posted by TNG View Post

I have been looking at LCDs for a long time. Was going to buy a soon to be introduced Sharp model, but I have seen these at BB and was wondering about the built-in DVR. I currently have a Panny E85H DVR and it has been very good, but when I buy a new LCD then the whole picture changes and I will be looking at HD content.

Can the LG built in record HD or is it just SD? Like I said I see these at BB but there are no specs listed for the DVR (capacity, HD or SD). If this will do HD then I could save a ton of money in the long run.

BTW, Kahuna, don't mean to pry, but why did you take it back?

Hey TNG,

Sorry, missed your post. Not quite happy at the moment.

To answer your question: HD capacity = 15hr 22mn or SD capacity = 37hr 16mn. Unfortunately the DVR is tied only to TV Guide.
post #16 of 231
Kirwin,

Can't you use the manual record feature to schedule recording, kind of like you would do on a VCR? Get to Manual Rec through the Xstudio button (p.71 of manual). It's best to be tuned to the station that you want to record from first, but that's not necessary. Manual Rec is the only way I recorded network HD content on the DVR because I couldn't find the HD stations in the TV Guide listings (I didn't have a CableCARD installed because I still had a separate HD STB w/ DVR that I used for premium content). Hopefully, that won't cause the set to start turning itself on at odd hours.

Good luck,
NedDawg
post #17 of 231
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Originally Posted by Kirwin View Post

Hey TNG,

Sorry, missed your post. Not quite happy at the moment.

To answer your question: HD capacity = 15hr 22mn or SD capacity = 37hr 16mn. Unfortunately the DVR is tied only to TV Guide.

TNG,

Just to clarify, the SD capacity depends on the quality that you choose for the recording. The value Kirwin quoted is for the highest quality SD setting.

NedDawg
post #18 of 231
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Originally Posted by NedDawg View Post

Kirwin,

Can't you use the manual record feature to schedule recording, kind of like you would do on a VCR? Get to Manual Rec through the Xstudio button (p.71 of manual). It's best to be tuned to the station that you want to record from first, but that's not necessary. Manual Rec is the only way I recorded network HD content on the DVR because I couldn't find the HD stations in the TV Guide listings (I didn't have a CableCARD installed because I still had a separate HD STB w/ DVR that I used for premium content). Hopefully, that won't cause the set to start turning itself on at odd hours.

Good luck,
NedDawg

Hey NedDawg,

Yeah your right... if the Cablecard is not installed.

With the card installed, manual record defaults only to the TV Guide through the OTA feed!?!. If you try useing Manual Rec thru Xstudio... the year defaults to 2016! I even tried going back to the scheduled programs list to change the defaulted year, but to no success. It won't even let me change the date in the 'time setup' menu. The Cablecard locks access, and defaults the TV to Auto timeset! I can't believe the software programming on this panel.
post #19 of 231
Kirwin,

Yikes! Sounds like the cableCard really screws things up with regard to the DVR. I had mine setup so that the STB w/DVR was connected via component cables, but I also used a splitter upstream of the STB and hooked up to "Cable In" on the TV. Then, I selected the "Component 1" input to view and record premium channels through the STB, and the "Cable" input to get the channels (including HD) via the QAM tuner. Maybe you stated this earlier, but did you get the TV Guide to work before the cableCard?

NedDawg
post #20 of 231
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Originally Posted by NedDawg View Post

Kirwin,

Yikes! Sounds like the cableCard really screws things up with regard to the DVR. I had mine setup so that the STB w/DVR was connected via component cables, but I also used a splitter upstream of the STB and hooked up to "Cable In" on the TV. Then, I selected the "Component 1" input to view and record premium channels through the STB, and the "Cable" input to get the channels (including HD) via the QAM tuner. Maybe you stated this earlier, but did you get the TV Guide to work before the cableCard?

NedDawg

Nope... never did receive TV Guide. That's what prompted me to call LG today.

I'm not sure what I'm going to do now... The wife and I love the picture and sound on this set, but really didn't want a set top box anymore. I'm not sure what I'm going to do with this panel. I'm almost tempted to buy an el cheapo HD CRT monitor and letting the panel market mature a bit more before dropping this kinda' cash on tech that only 'so-so' works.

So far nothing out there offers an 'all-in-one' package (that works). I had high hopes, but my faith in this panel is fading.

Hey... did you ever find another panel, or did you decide to keep the LG?
post #21 of 231
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Originally Posted by Kirwin View Post

... I'm almost tempted to buy an el cheapo HD CRT monitor and letting the panel market mature a bit more before dropping this kinda' cash on tech that only 'so-so' works.

So far nothing out there offers an 'all-in-one' package (that works). I had high hopes, but my faith in this panel is fading.

Hey... did you ever find another panel, or did you decide to keep the LG?

I returned it last Friday night, but mostly because of the turning-itself-on issue. (My wife may not have allowed me to take it away had it not woke her up in the middle of the night a couple times.)

If it were just up to me, I'd probably do what you were thinking, as SonyStyle.com has a good price on the 34XBR970 CRT, which was highly rated by Consumer Report for HD and SD. (It doesn't have a cableCard slot, so that wouldn't work for you.) It would just be a bridge to the future, so to speak. But, my wife doesn't want another 200 pound behemoth in the family room. So, the search is back on. The BB guy that sold me the LG said they'll be getting some new Samsung LCD's soon, so I'll just be keeping my eyes open.
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Originally Posted by Kirwin View Post

Hey TNG,

Sorry, missed your post. Not quite happy at the moment.

I think the big red letters said it all. TVGOS is not a problem here, I use it on my current DVR. It has been my excuse not to go beyond my basic cable and get digital.

Despite your current frustration, I am going to look at the LG. 15 hours of HD recording may seem small but currently my weekly total is only about 4. Without the TVGOS it is very difficult to use.
post #23 of 231
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Originally Posted by NedDawg View Post

I returned it last Friday night, but mostly because of the turning-itself-on issue. (My wife may not have allowed me to take it away had it not woke her up in the middle of the night a couple times.)

You didn't happen to turn-up the volume a wee bit... did ya' now?
post #24 of 231
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Originally Posted by TNG View Post

Despite your current frustration, I am going to look at the LG. 15 hours of HD recording may seem small but currently my weekly total is only about 4. Without the TVGOS it is very difficult to use.

Hey TNG,

I really do like the panel. I just wish that I had a better feel when TVGOS will be up and running in the Orlando area. It would also be nice, if the DVR would work while the cablecard was hooked up... even when TVGOS isn't working. Hope all goes well for ya'! Look forward to your comments.
post #25 of 231
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After talking with a senior rep at LG... I was informed that my DVR should work in manual mode useing the cablecard even without TV Guide.

Fine... I went back to Best Buy exchanged for another panel... brought it home... plugged it in...

and low and behold: A flippin' blue line down the middle of the screen one pixel wide!

Moral of the story... LG 42BL1DR = Junk.

Oh by the way, did I say that I was mad?
post #26 of 231
Hello - I was just surfing the web to see if anyone had experienced a similar problem and found this site. I noticed that this set was magically turning on in the middle of the night for someone - I have the opposite problem!

Here's the problem. TV is on - green light. TV off - red light = standby mode. Pretty simple so far, right? Sometime in the middle of the night - every night - the red light goes off and the TV completely shuts down. I have to unplug it every morning for about 10 seconds to reset it, and then plug it back in. The remote will not turn it on from this state. I called LG customer service and they said to return it because is was likely a faulty power supply. I did that and have the same problem with the new set. LG then had their contract repair house pick up the unit and test it. After a full week at the shop, it never shut down. They even dropped the voltage supply to 89v before the TV dropped out. They're as baffled as I am. I checked to make sure my wall socket was grounded correctly, and even ran an extension cord to another room in the house. Same thing!
Has anyone ever heard of something like this? Recommendations from any electronics gurus out there?
Thanks!
Steve in Chandler, AZ
post #27 of 231
Hufftrader,

Wow, two types of ghosts. There's something about service shops that has a temporary healing effect on electronics. I had a microwave one time that started acting buggy in my kitchen but the shop could never get it to do anything unusual. Anyway, I'm certainly not a guru, and I don't have a silver bullet for this problem. But maybe some more information will help others figure this out. Does this only happen overnight? If so, is overnight the only time the set is off for several hours at a time? When you ran an extension cord from another room, was the TV going through a different circuit breaker at that point than it normally would? Do you know your neighbors well enough to run a long extension cord from another house for a few days to see if it still happens?

That's a start. Good luck,
NedDawg
post #28 of 231
Hi NedDawg,
All good questions...thanks. The set actually will shut itself down at anytime, day or night. Sometimes it stays on for hours at a time before the standby light goes out, and other times I just have to leave the room for a few minutes and off it goes. When I ran the extension cord, I did in fact go to another breaker. And I've never had a problem with another appliance. The whole thing just doesn't seem possible. We're going to have an electrician out for another issue so I'll have him take a look. Also, I'm going to start a process of elimination tonight. Unplug everything except the power cable and if it stays on, I'll start plugging stuff back in.

Other than that...the picture and sound on this set are incredible. And the DVR works well, but as I've seen with many other folks, I have a lot of problems with the TV Guide system. Never get all of the programs in the guide - however some of that may be a result of the set shutting down.

Thanks for your reply.
Steve
post #29 of 231
Wow, I'm sorry I missed this wayyy back. I just surfed upon it and will give the reasons I returned it for future reference.

Problems encountered with LG 42 inch LCD

-Excessive light leakage bottom left and right corners and upper middle into middle of screen on dark scenes, video games and when no video present.

-Horizontal video noise lines stretching form the left screen to the right screen. (Happens infrequently but enough to cause concern.)

-Extreme artifacts/pixelation in sports programing and ANY quick scene changes on any type of broadcast.

- Audio sync issues with some HD programming including Saturday Night Live.

-Several dead pixels.

-Not accepting TV Guide functionality through cable.

-DVR does NOT work!

-Standard definition content is terrible.

I was really hoping this set would be a keeper as HD programming looked great.
post #30 of 231
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Originally Posted by hufftrader View Post

Hi NedDawg,
All good questions...thanks. The set actually will shut itself down at anytime, day or night. Sometimes it stays on for hours at a time before the standby light goes out, and other times I just have to leave the room for a few minutes and off it goes.


I have had the exact problem with My TV, this is despite changing cords and outlets. I am becoming very frustrated and am not sure what is going on...It didn't start until the cable card was put in.....any suggestions?
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