DON'T BUY 1080p TVs!  

That dude is a know it all ID10T.

Sony uses a 1080i:1080P scaler in the SXRD. And Wobulation is on the way out.

Just line up an SXRD or even the JVC 1080P set next to a 720P set and tell me which one has more resolution.

Well clairty will be better on the SXRD in general.The higher resolution lets you sit close to the screen and no line structure is visible.The high res is to eliminate motion blurr as well.Also wobulation is out and has been,but you will only find this in DLP's.

I don't even have to read the article - any of us that have seen the SXRD at Circuit CIty hooked up to an HD DVR or actually owned a native 1080P panel can attest to the WoW factor in HD - it's the potential it provides and comparisons in the store easily can be observed on larger panels versus 720P. Even without full 1080P inputs the difference is very obvious and 1080P inputs are close at hand.

Anyone viewing the 68+ pages Toshiba HD DVD feedback can attest to owners that are discovering level of PQ relates to the capability of the panel to display 1080i combined with those with advanced CR and size of display are garnering better results.

Perhaps such a statement can justify one's lack of financial resources or willingness to go 1080P and justify buying a budget 720P panel but those that own 1080 native displays realize the difference daily and further potential with HD DVD, Blu-Ray, PS3 and third party video processors.

Place any 720P 60" next to an SXRD being fed 1080i(p) HD Feed and the difference is so obvious in favor of the SXRD that I would suggest to choose otherwise the person would have to be vision impaired as CC has the SXRD surrounded by 720P 768P and of course Samsung 1080P - the SXRD is hands down better with that Hawaii feed.

These articles resurface every few months but anyone owning, or seen demo's of 1080P and live with HQ 1080i knows otherwise and most 1080P panels are also including advanced black levels CR that also makes a difference - the difference and the proof is in the details those features present to one's eyes. This will be self serving for those that won't spend the extra money but it doesn't prove anything especially to current and future adopters - the proof is in our eyes! :D

Shouldn't that be a question not an exclamation in your title?

"But most of today’s HDTVs don’t even support external 720p signal sources"

Once I read that I stopped reading the rest of the article.

Very Funny Stuff. :D

That's an old article. It's outdated. And it was mostly for newbs even when it was brand new.

Yes, there is a reason to buy a 1080p set. As in all things, research is your friend.

1080P , truthfully speaking is pretty much marketing hype, especially since no native 1080p content exist. I doubt if we will ever see the Superbowl broadcast in 1080p in our life time. :(

1080p was designed specifically for hobbyist like us here, where having the latest and greatest, and being the first kid on the block with the new toy is all that really matters.

I have yet to see any kind of controlled comparison test between 720p and 1080p sets.

Auditor, in a previous thread we've already established that Blu-Ray movies will be encoded at 1080p/24. Also, as John Mason pointed out, 1080i film based content can be easily deinterlaced to produce 1080p frames.

1080p is not hype.

Now, as with many things, manufacturers and sellers may try to obfuscate the technical limitations of their products with hype, and if 1080p products are involved, you're likely to see 1080p related hype. But my point is that 1080p displays are not without merit. They are not all hype.

Also, 1080i/p has twice the resolution of 720p. If the purpose of your comparison would be to strictly compare the resolution, there's no point because 1080p wins. Not to mention the fact that the test is next to impossible since isolating the PQ impact of resolution on two unrelated displays is very hard. Other PQ elements may have a bigger overall impact (contrast, quality of video processing, etc) which is why I said that "research is your friend."

That idiots article ends with:

Well, I can tell you first hand what those SD technologies look like on it..... WAY better than they looked on my older Pioneer Elite RP CRT HD set.

Mark

Are the Blu-Ray movies here? What about broadcast, satellite and cable 1080P content? Or do you think the global televison buying public is only interested in Blu-Ray (to which no proof exist that its going to succeed). Considering the impending "blood" format war between HD-DVD and Blu-Ray, both could cause massive consumer confusion resulting in both formats as failures.

Also, have you been apart of any controlled comparison between 720p set and 1080p sets? don't throw numbers at me about twice the resolution propaganda, its all about if most of the global set buying public can see a difference between 720p and 1080p.

As with all of your replies, auditor, you truly are a master debater.

Auditor55, for being such a fan of SED I am amazed that you seem to care so little about resolution since that was one of the few advantages it was supposed to have. Also for someone that wants to see controlled comparison tests between 720p and 1080p displays it seems funny that you have never been that skeptical about SED.

Its been "digged" as inaccurate.
I mentioned this in the other thread.
Everything Peter Putman said is inaccurate and flat out wrong and quite laughable. Disregard anything Mr. Putman says.

I care about resolution, that is noticeable picture quality improvement that I can prove is directly related to increased resolution. I look forward to SED based upon what that technology promises to bring us. I would take a 720p SED set over a 1080p SXRD, DLP, LCD any day.

Once again an open mouth insert foot and prove to everyone why you are on their pay no mind list. Quite simply absurd.

Most dramatic HDTV shows are 1080p24 which will de-interlace very nicely from 1080i on a 1080p display.

I wish I was on your ignore list. :)

"STOP!

Enough of this nonsense. It’s time to set the record straight, to clear up the air about what 1080p is and isn’t.

First off, there is no 1080p HDTV transmission format. There is a 1080p/24 production format in wide use for prime time TV shows and some feature films. But these programs must be converted to 1080i/30 (that’s interlaced, not progressive scan) before airing on any terrestrial, satellite, or cable TV network."
[ by Pete Putman, HDTV Expert]

In view of Mr. Putman's comment, which I completely agree with (along with his call to stop the nonsense), it's time for someone to set record straight. Someone said that Mr. Putman comments above are old news, that might be so, however they are still true, there is still no 1080p transmission format as of 4/20/2006.

So you can try to demonize that man call him all kinds of horrbile things but that won't do away with the facts that he has cited.

It's much more fun to compliment you on your skills as a master debater than to actually address any of the stuff you say. The latter, as I have learned over the months, is futile.

You might try searching for inverse-telecine to find out what everyone except you already knows about converting 3:2 pulldown 1080i content that has been broadcast back to progressive.

On the one hand, you maintain that it's not worth buying a 1080p set because no 1080p source material is currently available.

On the other hand, you readily sing the praises of sets that don't even exist yet.

Well, it certainly appears that we WILL have 1080p source material available in the very near future, on Blu Ray and/or HD-DVD. If I'm in the market for a new set within the next few months, why wouldn't I want one that would take full advantage of this new technology? Especially if the price differential between 720p and 1080p is only a few hundred $$$?

I'm pretty confident that before the end of the year, I'll be enjoying movies from a Blu-Ray player, output through HDMI at 1080p; input at 1080p through the HDMI inputs of a new 61" 1080p DLP (or SXRD). I'm also pretty sure that it's going to look pretty f---ing great.

And your new SED is arriving when?

That article is worth less than used toilet paper.

I was pretty excited about SED until I heard about potential burn in. :(

Not that article again! There have been at least 20 threads on this article on avsforums already half a year ago.

The first SED will be released "In the Year 2525" by Zegar and Evans :D

"DON'T BUY 1080p TVs!" - sure: you should first buy one 720p and then "upgrade" to 1080p. That way manufacturers will get more money :)

You are forgetting one very important factor in favor of 1080p.....babes. Here in L.A. when you hit the clubs the babes used to ask how much money you made or what car you drove, well, that's in the past. Women ask what resolution you have on your video display now, thats all they care about. Once it is known in the club that you have a 1080p set, you are swarmed by adoring babes just waiting to go home with you and watch Discovery HD.

OK, this is all great. But you keep passing up this:

Blu-ray Disc is a new high-definition video format that offers amazing home entertainment possibilities. When the DVD format launched in 1997, Sony's first player was a high-end model that quickly set the benchmark for picture and sound quality. History repeats itself with Sony's first Blu-ray player, the BDP-S1. For videophiles eager to feed their HDTVs the highest-quality video source available, this is as good as it gets.

The BDP-S1 is one of the first video players of any type to provide true 1080p output — 1920 x 1080 pixels progressive scan, the highest HD signal output currently available.

This player is available from cruchfield. Just do a search on "bluray DVD player".

It outputs true 1080p. What the h*ll am I supposed to watch it on? Oh, wait, a 1080p TV, that's what.

problem with that guy's article is that he never put the date on when he posted it. it creates a problem for people looking for info.

The article was written in 2004 which in electronics is considered prehistoric times..