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post #1 of 451
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Having just picked up an N3760w, I thought I'd start an "official" thread on this series of aggressively priced LCD HDTVs from ViewSonic.

Link to ViewSonic press release

Viewsonic product web pages:

N3260w

N3760w

N4060w

Let the discussion begin!
post #2 of 451
Thread Starter 
Some prior related threads:

New Viewsonic Panels?

New Viewsonic 32" LCD

Summary of some info from above threads:

- speculation that LCD panels are manufactured by Chi-Mei
- N3760w does have 2 component inputs, contrary to specifications listed on some retailer websites
- no digital audio out on N3760 a dealbreaker for some
- as of April 2006, N3760w shipping with poorly designed or possibly incorrect remote without access to PIP function and "-" to enter HD stations
post #3 of 451
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Complete list of inputs/outputs for N3760w:

Inputs --
1 coaxial (antenna)
1 coaxial (cable)
1 HDMI
2 composite/s-video
2 component
1 PC VGA 15-pin
1 analog audio for HDMI (L/R RCA plugs)
1 analog audio for PC (1/8" stereo jack)

Outputs --
1 analog out (L/R RCA plugs)
1 headphone out (1/8" stereo jack)
post #4 of 451
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Originally Posted by clads01 View Post

Having just picked up an N3760w, I thought I'd start an "official" thread on this series of aggressively priced LCD HDTVs from ViewSonic.

Link to ViewSonic press release

Viewsonic product web pages:

N3260w

N3760w

N4060w

Let the discussion begin!

So what is your opinion of the display?
post #5 of 451
Does it have a QAM tuner? The Vizio HD models have similiar specs but have QAM tuners and independent video memory for inputs.
post #6 of 451
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Originally Posted by 67427vette View Post

So what is your opinion of the display?

Just got it yesterday so still evaluating. PQ compared OK in the showroom next to a Sharp Aquos (viewing a Discovery Channel HD feed). Connectivity/features seem a bit lacking, and probably not the best choice for the most discriminating videophiles out there -- however, I don't know of a better value that's available right now.

I'll post a detailed summary once I get a chance to play around with it a bit more. See the previous "New Viewsonic Panels?" thread for a couple of others' detailed opinions on it.
post #7 of 451
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Originally Posted by seanheis View Post

Does it have a QAM tuner? The Vizio HD models have similiar specs but have QAM tuners and independent video memory for inputs.

Not sure about the QAM tuner. I believe that's used for digital cable (correct me if I'm wrong), and I'm only working with analog cable and OTA right now. I will see if the manual says anything about it tonight. It does NOT have a cable card slot.

Others have reported an inability to set different video settings for different inputs, but I believe I was able to successfully do this last night. Maybe a difference in firmware versions? Need to work with it more to confirm.
post #8 of 451
I had a 3760W for a while, and I thought the PQ was good....no xbr but IMO on a par with good second-tier LCD panels like JVC, Polaroid, etc.

Connectivity is limited, one HDMI and only two component in, IIRC....the deal breaker was no digital audio out on the TV tuner....a day without Dolby D is like a day without sunshine! I've got too much invested in audio components to be limited by a $1400 display.

Otherwise, I agree it's a great value, and it looks good.
post #9 of 451
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Originally Posted by clads01 View Post

Not sure about the QAM tuner. I believe that's used for digital cable (correct me if I'm wrong), and I'm only working with analog cable and OTA right now. I will see if the manual says anything about it tonight. It does NOT have a cable card slot.

No explicit info in manual about a QAM tuner. I does say:

Air in VHF/UHF: 2-69 (ATSC/NTSC)
CATV: 1-125 (NTSC)

so that would lead me to believe it can only handle analog cable. But I'm not too familiar with QAM, so may be wrong.
post #10 of 451
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Originally Posted by clads01 View Post

Others have reported an inability to set different video settings for different inputs, but I believe I was able to successfully do this last night. Maybe a difference in firmware versions? Need to work with it more to confirm.

Ok, here's the story with video settings for different inputs [at least on my unit, firmware version "V 2.02 M (A)"] --

There are 3 Video Modes:
(1) Preset
(2) Soft
(3) User

Each of these Video Modes have values for:
(A) Brightness, (B) Contrast, (C) Sharpness, (D) Color, (E) Tint

The Video Mode selected (1-3) will be selected for ALL inputs. Preset and Soft Video Mode values of (A-E) cannot be changed. However, if User Video Mode is selected, its (A-E) values will be remembered for each input. So, in effect, the settings can be saved for each input as long as you use the User Video Mode. If you like the Preset or Soft Video Mode for a given input, then just change the User Video Mode values of (A-E) to match the Preset or Soft values.

What cannot be remembered for each input is the Color Temp setting, which can be one of Normal/Warm/Nature/Cool. When one of these is selected it will be selected for ALL inputs.

Note that the above conclusion was based only upon switching between 2 inputs: TV (coax) and Component (DVD player).
post #11 of 451
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If anyone has this unit and knows what the different wide/zoom modes represent, please educate me. The manual really is horrible and does not present much needed info.
post #12 of 451
I'm looking at the 42" model. I'll be following this thread with interest Will you try to hook it up to a HTPC?

Cheers,
GCW

I just noticed you didn't include the N4200W model in your list, any reason?
post #13 of 451
Has anyone had any luck with getting PIP to work with the N3760w?
post #14 of 451
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Originally Posted by GCW63 View Post

I'm looking at the 42" model. I'll be following this thread with interest Will you try to hook it up to a HTPC?

Cheers,
GCW

I just noticed you didn't include the N4200W model in your list, any reason?

I will eventually hook up my HTPC (running MCE) as well as my XBOX (original, not 360), so will include my experiences using this panel with those in a subsequent post.

I didn't include the N4200w because it's only a monitor/display and doesn't have the same physical design as the Nxx60w's. Not sure if it was included in the press release because it shares significant similarities to the tuner-models, or if it was just being introduced at the same time. I will gladly edit the thread title/first post if anyone knows or if there are requests to do so ...
post #15 of 451
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Originally Posted by VincentDante View Post

Has anyone had any luck with getting PIP to work with the N3760w?

I can only get PIP with the secondary picture coming from the HDMI input (which is just a blue screen since I don't have anything connected via HDMI). Can't figure out how to change the input for the secondary picture (or if that can even be accomplished).

Vincent -- any luck getting that replacement remote you mentioned requesting from ViewSonic in the previous thread? FYI, mine also doesn't have a PIP or "-" button. It's labeled w/ "PART NO: UBRC-100" on the back.
post #16 of 451
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Originally Posted by clads01 View Post

I will eventually hook up my HTPC (running MCE) as well as my XBOX (original, not 360), so will include my experiences using this panel with those in a subsequent post.

I didn't include the N4200w because it's only a monitor/display and doesn't have the same physical design as the Nxx60w's. Not sure if it was included in the press release because it shares significant similarities to the tuner-models, or if it was just being introduced at the same time. I will gladly edit the thread title/first post if anyone knows or if there are requests to do so ...

I also have the old Xbox and I'm building a HTPC as part of ther package. What I'm interested in is how easy or hard it is to use it for web surfing, writing emails etc. from the couch.

It seems to be the same spec's other than the lack of an open air tuner and detachable speaker (a feature I like). So you can consider this a request to include it.
post #17 of 451
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Originally Posted by clads01 View Post

Vincent -- any luck getting that replacement remote you mentioned requesting from ViewSonic in the previous thread? FYI, mine also doesn't have a PIP or "-" button. It's labeled w/ "PART NO: UBRC-100" on the back.

No luck yet. I'm not sure the remote described in the euro version of the manual is the right remote for our american version. I'm beginning to suspect that this is it. Very limited PIP functionality. It may be that you can only PIP with the HDMI input. But I have the same issue, no HDMI source to test that. Regardless, I do not like the idea of pressing 6 buttons to turn the PIP on and off.
post #18 of 451
No digital audio out on N3760 and no QAM tuner are a dealbreaker. I do not use a cable box and local channels in HD are included with standard basic service. But you need a QAM tuner of course to get them.
post #19 of 451
I bought a Viewsonic VX2025wm 20" widescreen pc monitor. It's nice but they went a little overboard with the anti-glare coating. Sometimes it can be distracting making the screen look "dirty". I'm interested in the N3760w for TV viewing and it too is described as having an anti-glare coating and I was wondering if anyone found it noticeable or distracting. I suppose at normal TV viewing distance it wouldn't be much of an issue. Comments?
post #20 of 451
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Originally Posted by dfas34 View Post

I bought a Viewsonic VX2025wm 20" widescreen pc monitor. It's nice but they went a little overboard with the anti-glare coating. Sometimes it can be distracting making the screen look "dirty". I'm interested in the N3760w for TV viewing and it too is described as having an anti-glare coating and I was wondering if anyone found it noticeable or distracting. I suppose at normal TV viewing distance it wouldn't be much of an issue. Comments?

Overall picture quality is excellent. I've no issues there. The anti-glare coating works well and does not lessen clarity at all. Running at 1280x768 thru the VGA input when I sit on my couch about 8' away I find it very usable as a monitor. I would love to see it with a graphics card that could output its native 1360x768 format.
post #21 of 451
I've heard Samsung's DNIe image processing can cause audio/video synch issues, say when running the DVD player audio to a receiver. Any issues like this with Viewsonic's DNX image processing? Can it turned off/on? If so, notice much of an improvement in PQ?
post #22 of 451
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So far I'm satisfied with my N3760w with the exception of black levels under low light conditions. I'm moving to this from a CRT, so maybe this is just an issue with *all* LCD panels. The black levels are really only a problem under low light for very dark images or when viewing with "black bars" surrounding the picture. However, since I often view content with black bars under low-light conditions, this is a notable problem. (I prefer not to stretch/distort images to fill the screen.)

The thing is, in the (well-lit) showroom, black levels on the demo unit looked comparable to those on a Sharp Aquos, while the black levels of another nearby LCD panel (I think a WinBook?) looked horrible.

Another thing I've noticed is what appears to be an uneven backlight or local "blotchiness" (again, under low light and with dark scene/black bars). It appears in the upper right-hand corner (and to a much less noticeable extent in the upper left-hand corner) -- and, only after the unit warms up. Just a local area on the screen where the black is a bit lighter (i.e., less black) then everywhere else.

Does anyone else with this panel notice this? Or please let me know if these are just problems associated with all LCDs that I need to accept (or not accept if I decide not to go with LCD!).
post #23 of 451
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Originally Posted by dfas34 View Post

I've heard Samsung's DNIe image processing can cause audio/video synch issues, say when running the DVD player audio to a receiver. Any issues like this with Viewsonic's DNX image processing? Can it turned off/on? If so, notice much of an improvement in PQ?

There does not appear to be an option to turn DNX on/off.
post #24 of 451
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FYI, link to WhatPlasma magazine review of UK/European N3760w (requires .pdf viewer):

http://www.homecinemachoice.com/cgi-...?reviewid=6714
post #25 of 451
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Originally Posted by clads01 View Post

Another thing I've noticed is what appears to be an uneven backlight or local "blotchiness" (again, under low light and with dark scene/black bars). It appears in the upper right-hand corner (and to a much less noticeable extent in the upper left-hand corner) -- and, only after the unit warms up. Just a local area on the screen where the black is a bit lighter (i.e., less black) then everywhere else.

My Viewsonic widescreen pc monitor has what you describe... light areas at the top left and right corners that are noticeable within an all black area. When viewing a DVD movie in a dark room with black bars those lighter areas are there but not really distracting. For viewing in a dark room you may consider creating a matte to put on the TV to black out the bars.

Even with my Mits 46807 RP CRT, the black bars aren't totally black, nothing like my old 32" Sony Trinitron
post #26 of 451
I just got this TV from C*stco and I absolutely love it - no QAM tuner from what I can tell and the PIP is only controlled through their menu system (i.e. too much of a pain to be usable). I've had trouble getting other remotes programmed to control the thing.

This is my first HDTV so I can't say how it compares to other similar ones - but the picture looks flawless to me, bright, vibrant, HD shows are jaw dropping. I've got a HTPC connected up to it at 1360x765 resolution and it also looks great, played a couple games on it and they looked awesome on the 8ms display.

I'm very happy, especially considering the manufacturer has a $200 rebate on it through April 30th no matter where you've purchased it from. I didn't know that the Vizio has a QAM tuner, right now I'm using a Comcast box but it would be nice to get integrated decoding - if somebody could compare this picture quality with the Vizio it would sure be helpful.
post #27 of 451
I found out something interesting about the Viewsonic TV remotes yesterday. Two remotes with indentical button layouts but with different labels on certain buttons. The button labeled PIP on one was labeled Display on the other. Here is the interesting bit. The buttons sent the same IR signal. So rather than having a unique IR signal for Display or PIP or Source every TV interprets the same signal differently. This allows Viewsonic to have one remote for all TVs just by changing the faceplate. But this explains why none of the universal remote manufacturers have codes for Viewsonic TVs. The codes might have to be different for every model of TV.

The bad news for N3760w owners is that there will not be a remote that handles PIP functions, without having to go through the menu system, unless the firmware on the TV is updated.

I have also confirmed that the PIP/POP only functions if one of the sources is the HDMI. This is similair to the Philips line. Some of the same internals maybe?

Pros for the N3760w:

Unbeatable (in my opinion) combo of price, inputs and picture quality.

Cons:

No digital audio out for over the air HD.
No really usable PIP/POP for most.

Unfortunately for me the two cons are deal breakers.
post #28 of 451
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Originally Posted by VincentDante View Post

I found out something interesting about the Viewsonic TV remotes yesterday. Two remotes with indentical button layouts but with different labels on certain buttons. The button labeled PIP on one was labeled Display on the other. Here is the interesting bit. The buttons sent the same IR signal. So rather than having a unique IR signal for Display or PIP or Source every TV interprets the same signal differently. This allows Viewsonic to have one remote for all TVs just by changing the faceplate. But this explains why none of the universal remote manufacturers have codes for Viewsonic TVs. The codes might have to be different for every model of TV.

The bad news for N3760w owners is that there will not be a remote that handles PIP functions, without having to go through the menu system, unless the firmware on the TV is updated.

I have also confirmed that the PIP/POP only functions if one of the sources is the HDMI. This is similair to the Philips line.

Vincent, Can you say where the info came from? Viewsonic? I wonder why the european version has a different remote and different functionality? Will Viewsonic ever provide a firmware upgrade to add functionality?

When I spoke with Viewsonic CS, they seemed to think the remote shipped with the TV might be the wrong one. The "right" part number starts with an "A" not the other one cited above stating with "U". Then again, maybe that's for the Euro version instead. They said they would send a new remote and I even got an email today that said the following:

"ViewSonic Customer,

The part you needed has been ordered, however, it is currently out of stock. It is set to ship to you as soon as more inventory is recieved. Your part order confirmation number is xxxxxxxxxx.

Thank you for choosing ViewSonic and have a great day."

The person one the phone did not have very reliable info so this may be a wild goose chase for me after all. She had no idea when new remotes would be in stock.
post #29 of 451
Received my N3760w today and think it looks really good. I didn't spend a ton of time with it today but I did have time to connect my PC via DVI/HDMI cable and check for dead pixels. Luckily there wasn't any! I thought it was kind of weird that the HDMI interface would not accept 1360x768 but did accept 1360x765. I thought the first was the native resolution but I guess I was wrong.

Has anyone used the HD tuner yet? I don't have an antenna and since its not QAM, it cannot be hooked up to my cable

Anyway, I will post more info when I have more time to play with it a little more.
post #30 of 451
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Originally Posted by 7ntxx View Post

Vincent, Can you say where the info came from? Viewsonic? I wonder why the european version has a different remote and different functionality? Will Viewsonic ever provide a firmware upgrade to add functionality?

When I spoke with Viewsonic CS, they seemed to think the remote shipped with the TV might be the wrong one. The "right" part number starts with an "A" not the other one cited above stating with "U". Then again, maybe that's for the Euro version instead. They said they would send a new remote and I even got an email today that said the following:

"ViewSonic Customer,

The part you needed has been ordered, however, it is currently out of stock. It is set to ship to you as soon as more inventory is recieved. Your part order confirmation number is xxxxxxxxxx.

Thank you for choosing ViewSonic and have a great day."

The person one the phone did not have very reliable info so this may be a wild goose chase for me after all. She had no idea when new remotes would be in stock.

The info about the remote came from examining two Viewsonic remotes. One remote was the one from my N3760w the other from another Viewsonic TV with PIP. Button X on my remote was labeled "Display" on the other it was labeled "PIP". When you press the "PIP" button the N3760w would bring up the channel info. Button Y on the remotes was labeled "TV" on mine and "PIP Swap" on the other. When you press "PIP Swap" the N3760 would switch to the antenna input.

I had exactly the same experience with Viewsonic but it has been almost four weeks now with no news about a new remote. I really do not think a new remote can help. As to firmware I doubt Viewsonic will be upgrading TVs in the field. One of the guys at Microcenter said Viewsonic told him that I have the correct remote and that PIP can only be turned on through the menu system. That's six seperate button presses just to turn on or off PIP. And again it only works with HDMI as one of the inputs. So unless you happen to have some sort of tuner with an HDMI output there is no way to watch two events at the same time.

I did have one friend argue that for the price and otherwise good performance of the Viewsonic you could buy a cheap 20" LCD for POP and still come out ahead.
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