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post #1321 of 1998
2/6/07 at 11:23am
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Originally Posted by sonypete View Post

Has anyone here, that owns the 4676 or the 4666, test the lag in their PS2 or XBOX games?

Also I will be using a PS3 with the TV and want to know if these models perform as well as the HL-SXX87 series?

I have both an Xbox 480p and and Xbox 360 720p connected to the 4666w via component. There is there is zero lag on both machines. Further, I had a PS3 hooked up over HDMI and there was also zero lag.
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post #1322 of 1998
2/6/07 at 1:58pm
Hi,

Any chance you figured this out? I have a 4666 as well, with the Oppo 970HD with the same/similar issues. If I do HDMI from the dvd player to the TV, and then optical to my receiver, I only get surround sounds - no center channel. Yet, TV is fine.

I'm trying to figure out (as are you, from the sound of it) whether this is a tv issue, or a dvd player issue. I've seen a reference to HDMI 1.1 vs 1.0, but not sure where else to look.

Thanks,

Kevin

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HELP!!!!

1st off, I'd like to thank all of you for this wonderful forum. It helped me a lot in making my decision on what to buy. Equipment list:

Sammy HL-S4666
Sammy DVD-HD860
JVC RX-884V Dolby Digital Receiver

The DVD Player is connected to the TV via HDMI. The TV is running into the Receiver via a Optical audio cable. The Receiver is getting sound from the TV, but it not coming through as Dolby Digital. It is playing through my rear speakers, but not in surround. I haven't changed anything on the Receiver from the previous DVD player that was connected to it via the Optical cable. Is there some setting I am missing somewhere on the TV or DVD for the Audio? I've tried tooling around in the Audio setup menus and haven't been able to get it to work.

Any help would be greatly appreciated.

FYI-I love the TV!!!! Watched Star Wars Episode III last night with a huge grin on my face. Total eye candy, and a great fit for my living room.
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post #1323 of 1998
2/6/07 at 3:53pm
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Originally Posted by Phazeshift78 View Post

I get the same scenario with dark colors displayed on my HL-S5086W, connected from my Comcast Motorla HD-STB via HDMI. I get better picture quality with component. From what I understand, a possbility for source of my graininess is the STB itself.

But then again, the two different inputs have different ways to process the display. Maybe the 86W has a better A/D conversion than D/D translation (circuit or algorithm)? Or maybe the Motorolla STB has a crappy HDMI source connection compared to the component?

What are you connecting from?

I have an LG DN191H upconverting dvd player. I did notice that res was set to 480p when I saw the grainy pic and played with that. Improved it somewhat but I'm on the fence about which is better. I did notice that I can't use Film Mode unless res is set to 480i but it seems with HDMI cable the dvd player won't stay on 480i. Seems to default to 480p. I'm learning as I go. Also, after doing some reading it seems I'm not the only one debating which looks better, hdmi or component. Haven't tried HDMI from my STB to the tv yet. I think I'm just jonesing for that HD picture I get with the TV broadcasts from my dvd player....can't quite go HD DVD yet though.
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post #1324 of 1998
2/6/07 at 7:14pm
I don't remember WHERE I read it (could have even been this forum), but it seems somewhere I read that the USUAL experience is that people get better reception going component rather than DVI or HDMI, although I don't remember the reason.

I DO know that my cable company ONLY offers component connections for their HDTV setups when they bring the boxes out, even though they all have HDMI outputs on them. I thought maybe it was because the cables were less expensive, but maybe HDMI still has some bugs to be worked out?

I ALSO know that although they charge us customers for the cables, it's probably the best deal they ever give their customers, as they're quality cables (5-wide: RGB + LR and 12 or 15 feet long, with gold-plated connectors) for $14.95. I wasn't going to get the cables when I swapped out our second box for a HD box, since I had enough cables already to get the job done, but decided to get them, anyway, because of the deal... After I did, the lady behind the desk at Charter said those cables retail for $70, and I believe her -- particularly after having seen what Monster gets for THEIR cables!
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post #1325 of 1998
2/7/07 at 9:11am
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Originally Posted by JeffAHayes View Post

I don't remember WHERE I read it (could have even been this forum), but it seems somewhere I read that the USUAL experience is that people get better reception going component rather than DVI or HDMI, although I don't remember the reason.

I DO know that my cable company ONLY offers component connections for their HDTV setups when they bring the boxes out, even though they all have HDMI outputs on them. I thought maybe it was because the cables were less expensive, but maybe HDMI still has some bugs to be worked out?

I ALSO know that although they charge us customers for the cables, it's probably the best deal they ever give their customers, as they're quality cables (5-wide: RGB + LR and 12 or 15 feet long, with gold-plated connectors) for $14.95. I wasn't going to get the cables when I swapped out our second box for a HD box, since I had enough cables already to get the job done, but decided to get them, anyway, because of the deal... After I did, the lady behind the desk at Charter said those cables retail for $70, and I believe her -- particularly after having seen what Monster gets for THEIR cables!


I got my gold plated components and my DVI/HDMI cables for free from Comcast.
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post #1326 of 1998
2/7/07 at 9:39am
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Originally Posted by cvilletoday View Post

I have an LG DN191H upconverting dvd player. I did notice that res was set to 480p when I saw the grainy pic and played with that. Improved it somewhat but I'm on the fence about which is better. I did notice that I can't use Film Mode unless res is set to 480i but it seems with HDMI cable the dvd player won't stay on 480i. Seems to default to 480p. I'm learning as I go. Also, after doing some reading it seems I'm not the only one debating which looks better, hdmi or component. Haven't tried HDMI from my STB to the tv yet. I think I'm just jonesing for that HD picture I get with the TV broadcasts from my dvd player....can't quite go HD DVD yet though.

To my limited understanding (so I have room to be corrected here), "Film Mode" is only for 480i video sources, upconverts to 480p.

Did you change the resolution setting on your LG DN191H DVD player? Also, from the DVD player manual, it states that if the DVD is copy protected, it will only display 480p resolution with component, but can get higher output resolution (720p,1080i) with HDMI. You should probably research how well the your LG DVD player upconverts. Not all upconverting software/hardware are created equal.

Play with the HDMI by changing the resolution settings to see if you get noticeably different PQs.

Personally, I prefer component. But again, it depends on my source.
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post #1327 of 1998
2/7/07 at 11:52am
Hi all,

It took me two days to read through the posts and in the middle of reading the posts I came to the conclusion of getting the HL-S466W, but it came to my knowledge that the model is be discontinued and you can get them only through soem online vendor. I don't like buying a TV online. So I went to the Samsung website and they have another 46' HL-S4676S.

Is this the set replacing the HL-S4666W. I head a lot of good things about the 4666W and was set to buy this model but now can anyone give any information about the HL-S4676S. Is it as good as the 4666W. Also I noticed on CC website that the price for the HL-S4676S and the 50' HLS5086W is almost the same with a $50 difference. So which one is better I have no issue with space and viewing distance. I don't want all the black grass or lag problems as I intend to play games as well. So can someone recommend me which out of these two is a better choice and if possible why.
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post #1328 of 1998
2/7/07 at 2:57pm
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Originally Posted by Phazeshift78 View Post

I got my gold plated components and my DVI/HDMI cables for free from Comcast.

I'm not ONE BIT SURPRISED, Phazeshift... I think Charter would charge us for AIR, if they thought they could get away with it.

I DREAM of the day someone like Verizon lays Fiber Optic cables here and offers some real competition to them... I'll jump so fast their head will spin!
Jeff
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post #1329 of 1998
2/7/07 at 6:21pm
Hey newb to AVS. I have a sammy HLS5086W. Iam not happy with it at this moment, i bought it memmorial day weekend '06 and the lamp idicator flashes everytime i turn the tv on, so i got into the SM to see how many hours were on it, yeah 1800 hours, ummmm what would cause the lamp to go sooo soon? My picture gets worse the longer the tv is on, grainy, pixelation, and a shadowing effect especially in dark scenes of a movie. I do have a tech coming out tues to look at it, but just curious as to why sooo soon. Another thing as i have been reading threads about my problem, people talk about the cooling fans. Are these easy to hear as the tv is on? I guess just looking for clues on weather it is the cooling fan that has caused the lamp to go. How do I detect if the fan is working? Thanks for any info, sorry if it was a little messy, just disapointed in this tv right now.
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post #1330 of 1998
2/7/07 at 6:47pm
I would HOPE it's something else, like maybe somehow dust got in there and is obscuring the light or something, Todd.

However, you didn't say anything regarding your positioning of the TV. I assume, like all good high-tech, high-$$$ users, you read the owner's manual and made note of the warning to give the back and sides of the unit at least a foot of clearance, so the DLP unit doesn't overheat.

If you didn't do that, you may have inadvertantly shortened the life of the light and/or the cooling unit, as the owner's manual EMPHATICALLY states the need for that cooling clearance. I know some folks DON'T read owner's manuals. I'm not one of them, and this is one of many times I've been glad, although my setup location wouldn't have restricted clearance anyway, because at least I know to make sure not to put any obstructions around it.

Now assuming you DID give it plenty of clearance, it's possible you just have a unit with defective parts. Either way, I hope the technician is able to fix it for you and it doesn't cost you any money.

Good luck!
Jeff
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post #1331 of 1998
2/7/07 at 7:01pm
Jeffrey,

I never read the owners manual!!! I just assumed I could take it out of the box throw it in a tight corner near my heat vent and hook everything up and it would be fine. Wow I didnt read the fricken owners manual, i can't believe thats it. I wish i was as "high-tech, high-$$$" as you then I could badger every one who asks for advice. And good for you for "Not being one of those" who don't read the owners manuals. I knew it had to be where the tv was positioned, thanks for the help!!! Wow, i moved it, and it fixed it self, yes positioning is EVERYTHING!!!
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post #1332 of 1998
2/8/07 at 6:16am
I want to buy a Samsung DLP. However, I definately want one with a built-in QAM tuner. I believe I read in this thread that this years model, the HL-S series does not have that...but I thought I read that the HL-R does. When I look at the spec sheet on Samsung's site for the HL-R4667W, it doesnt say that it has QAM, however it does have CableCard.

If a tv has a cablecard slot, does that mean it has a QAM tuner?

Does the HL-R4667 have a QAM tuner?

Thanks a ton!
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post #1333 of 1998
2/8/07 at 6:34am
Hello,
I've already asked this in the Sony E2000 Owners thread, but I also wanted the opinions of Samsung owners, so I will ask again. What do you guys think of Sony KDF50E2000 vs Samsung HL-S5086W? I saw these two products next to each other at the store, and I thought the the Sony's PQ was 10X better. So I'm wondering if this is really the case or if the Samsung at the store just wasn't calibrated correctly.

These two TVs cost about the same, so I'd obviously would like to go with the better set. So, if you guys had to choose, which one would you pick and why? As I'm not the most educated in this matter, I'd appreciate your help. Thanks in advance!
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post #1334 of 1998
2/8/07 at 6:38am
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Originally Posted by cnile View Post

I want to buy a Samsung DLP. However, I definately want one with a built-in QAM tuner. I believe I read in this thread that this years model, the HL-S series does not have that...but I thought I read that the HL-R does. When I look at the spec sheet on Samsung's site for the HL-R4667W, it doesnt say that it has QAM, however it does have CableCard.

If a TV has a cable card slot, does that mean it has a QAM tuner?

Does the HL-R4667 have a QAM tuner?

Thanks a ton!

Cable card and tuner are 2 different things.
The HL-R4676, does.
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...1/EN/4_sub.htm
See under set up where you can connect cable without a cable box.

The HL-R4667 which is a discontinued 2005 model has a tuner see first line where it says digital cable ready tuner.
http://www.samsung.com/Products/TV/A...4667WAXXAA.asp
Th HLS models are better than the older HL-R
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post #1335 of 1998
2/8/07 at 6:41am
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Originally Posted by L2Jae View Post

Hello,
I've already asked this in the Sony E2000 Owners thread, but I also wanted the opinions of Samsung owners, so I will ask again. What do you guys think of Sony KDF50E2000 vs Samsung HL-S5086W?!

Would the fact we all bought a Samsung say something
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post #1336 of 1998
2/8/07 at 6:48am
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Would the fact we all bought a Samsung say something

Well, yes and no. Your answer tells me that you are completely happy with your purchase. However, there can be people that regret the purchase and wish they could have gotten something else. You know what I mean? Thanks for your reply.
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post #1337 of 1998
2/8/07 at 8:41am
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Originally Posted by L2Jae View Post

Hello,
I've already asked this in the Sony E2000 Owners thread, but I also wanted the opinions of Samsung owners, so I will ask again. What do you guys think of Sony KDF50E2000 vs Samsung HL-S5086W? I saw these two products next to each other at the store, and I thought the the Sony's PQ was 10X better. So I'm wondering if this is really the case or if the Samsung at the store just wasn't calibrated correctly.

These two TVs cost about the same, so I'd obviously would like to go with the better set. So, if you guys had to choose, which one would you pick and why? As I'm not the most educated in this matter, I'd appreciate your help. Thanks in advance!

I was in the same situation when I first bought my HL-S5086W. The KDF50E2000 was right next to the HL-S5086W at the store I bought my TV from. The KDF50E2000 did have a brighter picture, but the quality of the picture was slightly better on the HL-S5086W. I was originally going to buy the KDF50E2000, but they didn't have one in stock, so I went with the HL-S5086W. I'm a big XBox Live gamer, and at the time I bought the TV, I wasn't aware of HDTV lag. Well, I got burned with my online game play, and wished I went with the Sony instead. If you're a gamer, go with the Sony. If you're not and just care for watching movies and TV, go with any of the two. They're both good TVs. Which would look better in the room you're going to put it in? Silver or Black?
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post #1338 of 1998
2/8/07 at 8:45am
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Originally Posted by JeffAHayes View Post

I'm not ONE BIT SURPRISED, Phazeshift... I think Charter would charge us for AIR, if they thought they could get away with it.

I DREAM of the day someone like Verizon lays Fiber Optic cables here and offers some real competition to them... I'll jump so fast their head will spin!
Jeff

OOooooooOO... FIOs..... I DREAM of that always...
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post #1339 of 1998
2/8/07 at 10:06am
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Originally Posted by L2Jae View Post

if you guys had to choose, which one would you pick and why?

Greetings,
I chose my first Samsung HL-P5674 due to the recommendation of an ISF calibator I have known for several years.
According to Eliab @ www.avical.com, the Samsung can render one of the most accurate PQ with proper calibration of any consumer display currently available.
Granted, the OOB settings do leave something to be desired.
That was the reason I went with a HL-S5086 as well,
YMMV,
b.
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post #1340 of 1998
2/8/07 at 11:27am
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Originally Posted by Phazeshift78 View Post

I I'm a big XBox Live gamer, and at the time I bought the TV, I wasn't aware of HDTV lag.

Hmm never experienced it with mine. The game mode is the one reason I got the Samsung. I use VGA and have it set to 1280x720 I see no delayed reaction. I know other guys in my Clan with Samsung TV's and no issues either.
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post #1341 of 1998
2/8/07 at 12:40pm
Are u using the xbox or Xbox 360 i never experienced lag with my 360.
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post #1342 of 1998
2/8/07 at 1:12pm
I too am struggling between the Sony and the Samsung. However, when I was in the store, the Samsung and the Sony were side by side, and the Samsung looked much brighter and crisper than the Sony. Also the Sony seemed to have the "black screen door" effect when I was up close to it. Not sure if there is an issue with the Samsung, but my friend has the Sony and he said he likes it b/c the Sony doesnt glare when there are bright lights on as some other tv's do.

I am really bummed about not having a built-in QAM tuner in the Samsungs. I really just want to view locals in HD.

Know if the new Sony's have a usb memory card ready?
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post #1343 of 1998
2/8/07 at 1:47pm
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Originally Posted by cnile View Post

I too am struggling between the Sony and the Samsung. However, when I was in the store, the Samsung and the Sony were side by side, and the Samsung looked much brighter and crisper than the Sony. Also the Sony seemed to have the "black screen door" effect when I was up close to it. Not sure if there is an issue with the Samsung, but my friend has the Sony and he said he likes it b/c the Sony doesnt glare when there are bright lights on as some other tv's do.

I am really bummed about not having a built-in QAM tuner in the Samsungs. I really just want to view locals in HD.

Know if the new Sony's have a usb memory card ready?

Yes it does see page 17 of the manual
http://downloadcenter.samsung.com/co...-00586A-00.pdf
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post #1344 of 1998
2/8/07 at 2:11pm
So you think it does have a QAM tuner?
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post #1345 of 1998
2/8/07 at 2:16pm
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Originally Posted by cnile View Post

So you think it does have a QAM tuner?

Manual says it accepts unscrambled cable channels without a tuner box. While they may not be calling it a QAM tuner, it has to be able to tune the cable channels if it says you do not need a box.
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post #1346 of 1998
2/8/07 at 2:18pm
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Originally Posted by Kevinw View Post

Hmm never experienced it with mine. The game mode is the one reason I got the Samsung. I use VGA and have it set to 1280x720 I see no delayed reaction. I know other guys in my Clan with Samsung TV's and no issues either.

I ran frame tests between my laptop and TV via VGA at 1280x720 and I measured 1 lag frame (33ms) with game mode off or on. Examples of my frames tests are posted on this website.

http://groups.google.com/group/hdtvlag/files

Going VGA and avoiding component does give the least amount of lag that's tolerable and playable.
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post #1347 of 1998
2/8/07 at 10:48pm
Hey guys I can't seem to find the overscan option in the service menu. Is it even an option for us to fiddle with??

P.S. I have a HL-S4676
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post #1348 of 1998
2/9/07 at 6:16am
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Originally Posted by Kevinw View Post

Manual says it accepts unscrambled cable channels without a tuner box. While they may not be calling it a QAM tuner, it has to be able to tune the cable channels if it says you do not need a box.


KevinW, I see what you mean, but I believe that just means that you can watch regular ntsc cable without a set top box - not necessarily unscrambled HD channels.

Reading through this THREAD, there are several people that state that the QAM tuner was removed from the HL-Sxx67 series. Look at the thread on that page that starts on 07-05-06 7:05PM by JonDotCom.

It seems that if Sony advertises ATSC and QAM in their spec sheet, that Samsung would do the same if it had it.

Let me know what you think.
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post #1349 of 1998
2/9/07 at 6:39am
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Originally Posted by cnile View Post

KevinW, I see what you mean, but I believe that just means that you can watch regular ntsc cable without a set top box - not necessarily unscrambled HD channels.

Reading through this THREAD, there are several people that state that the QAM tuner was removed from the HL-Sxx67 series. Look at the thread on that page that starts on 07-05-06 7:05PM by JonDotCom.

It seems that if Sony advertises ATSC and QAM in their spec sheet, that Samsung would do the same if it had it.

Let me know what you think.

You may be correct, Without saying directly QAM, it does leave it open for interpretation. BTW the Manual link is for a HL-Sxx86.
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post #1350 of 1998
2/9/07 at 3:14pm
Anyone know anything about 1:1 and overscan options on the HL-S4676 or simliar 720p TV?
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