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post #91 of 122
SurfingMatt,

How about helping us out by modifying the service code spreadsheet with your numbers? I have used your suggested numbers for the Xbox360, but I'm sure that there are other codes that can help improve the picture.
post #92 of 122
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Originally Posted by stand_1998 View Post

SurfingMatt,

How about helping us out by modifying the service code spreadsheet with your numbers? I have used your suggested numbers for the Xbox360, but I'm sure that there are other codes that can help improve the picture.

Well the only other items i can think of to improve your picture is Focus and Convergance.

Here are the codes for Focus:

QPAM-DQP

With QPDC being the main focus element that affects the middle of the screen i'd recommend trying that out for any improvements in PQ it helped me out 10 fold.

For Convergance there's :

YBWU-SLLB

Keep in mind that this only affects Vertical convergance, For Horizontal convergance you will have to use permaloy magnets that's done by a professional.

Of the top of my head that's the best you can do for
PQ, i don't know any other settings.
post #93 of 122
I used AVIA to calibrate the menu settings on my TV. Although the picture look MUCH better than before, I notice more "blur" and "ghosting" when watching fast motion or dark scenes in DVDs.

Any suggestions? I think that this is because the brightness is very low - used AVIA test to determine proper level. Anyone else experience this?
post #94 of 122
can anyone recommend a good upconverting dvd player for this tv? I'm leaning towards the phillips 3960 or the sony ns75. thoughts?
post #95 of 122
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by gab2409 View Post

can anyone recommend a good upconverting dvd player for this tv? I'm leaning towards the phillips 3960 or the sony ns75. thoughts?

Sony for sure!
post #96 of 122
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by stand_1998 View Post

I used AVIA to calibrate the menu settings on my TV. Although the picture look MUCH better than before, I notice more "blur" and "ghosting" when watching fast motion or dark scenes in DVDs.

Any suggestions? I think that this is because the brightness is very low - used AVIA test to determine proper level. Anyone else experience this?

Yeah most likely your brightness is too low,i've experianced what you have seen once when my tv was new but after increasing brightness and lowering contrast to the middle or lower the effect seemd to go away.
post #97 of 122
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Originally Posted by gab2409 View Post

can anyone recommend a good upconverting dvd player for this tv? I'm leaning towards the phillips 3960 or the sony ns75. thoughts?

I had a philips player before, and ended up returning it. I'm very glad that I did because I ended up getting an Oppo 981. WOW. Great unit. The only negative is: 1. I had to wait for it (instant gratification is something that I enjoy) and 2. some macroblocking issues.

Still highly recommended.
post #98 of 122
Thread Starter 
Oppo 970 is great too!
post #99 of 122
Does anyone use this with a HTPC? Im considering replacing my 21" CRT 4:3 with one of these suckers for PC use (surfing, browsing) and the occasional flick here and there. Thoughts?
post #100 of 122
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Originally Posted by gab2409 View Post

can anyone recommend a good upconverting dvd player for this tv? I'm leaning towards the phillips 3960 or the sony ns75. thoughts?

I have the sony n75 it's great I set it to 1080i and I Love it, using HDMI.
post #101 of 122
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Originally Posted by JackBee View Post

Does anyone use this with a HTPC? Im considering replacing my 21" CRT 4:3 with one of these suckers for PC use (surfing, browsing) and the occasional flick here and there. Thoughts?

I wouldn't do it, CRT's aren't that great for displaying windows, my geometry really looks bad when showing a windows desktop.
post #102 of 122
I have a 30hs420, and I was hoping that you guys might be able to answer some questions for me. Matt stated on post #59 the best values for the 360 in the service menu; which group should this be under (2170P-4, MID5, etc)? I understand the MID-5 settings, but I am not sure which group the other values need to be carried over into. Please forgive my ignorance, im new to all of this. I just recently got Halo 3, and I want it to look as good as possible. I tried using the AV calibration disk that comes with Halo 3 but I really wasn't able to get it to work very well. Maybe it is just me (it probably is) but I couldn't even find the contrast slider in the video display menu. The manual mentions that the picture slider is to "adjust to increase picture contrast..." but it didn't seem to really be a contrast slider. Thanks in advance for your help.
post #103 of 122
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Originally Posted by Darcilis View Post

I have a 30hs420, and I was hoping that you guys might be able to answer some questions for me. Matt stated on post #59 the best values for the 360 in the service menu; which group should this be under (2170P-4, MID5, etc)? I understand the MID-5 settings, but I am not sure which group the other values need to be carried over into. Please forgive my ignorance, im new to all of this. I just recently got Halo 3, and I want it to look as good as possible. I tried using the AV calibration disk that comes with Halo 3 but I really wasn't able to get it to work very well. Maybe it is just me (it probably is) but I couldn't even find the contrast slider in the video display menu. The manual mentions that the picture slider is to "adjust to increase picture contrast..." but it didn't seem to really be a contrast slider. Thanks in advance for your help.

The brightness control is for black level and the picture control is for contrast or white level. Considering your admitted ignorance of "all of this", I would suggest staying out of the service menu for the time being. Using a calibration disc with the USER menu can get you very close. Understand that BIG mistakes can be made in the service menu. As for Matt's recommended settings, IMHO, most of them will have fairly subtle impacts and some, namely SBRT, RYR, RYB, GYR, and GYB are set dependent and will not necessarily be the correct values for your set.
post #104 of 122
I know this sounds like a pain-in-the-butt request, but does anyone have a list of all their service menu values?

It would be great to see if any of my vales are waaaaaaaaaaay off of what they should be.
post #105 of 122
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Originally Posted by BlueMan1 View Post

I know this sounds like a pain-in-the-butt request, but does anyone have a list of all their service menu values?

It would be great to see if any of my vales are waaaaaaaaaaay off of what they should be.

Unless you or a previous owner changed them, the service menu values are already set to "what they should be" or at least close. The default service menu values represent a pre-factory calibration state. Prior to shipment, the set goes through a factory calibration where adjustments are made to compensate for the the differences that are inherent in analog electronic circuits such as convergence, geometry, color decoder, and focus. The factory calibration is not perfect and most often isn't even great but it would be a mistake to assume that existing values that are "waaaay" off from default are actually a problem. It would be an even BIGGER mistake to assume that a reset to the pre-factory calibration defaults would do anything positive for the set. In fact, this would likely create MANY hours of work to make the set viewable again.
post #106 of 122
OK, so I've used the service menu to get my set's geometry to my liking. When I did this I also got my 4x3 window opened up all the way. When I did this I noticed that the far right 2 or 3 vertical lines are in B&W and the color bleeds off the left side of the 4x3 window. It seems as if the colors are offset somehow. How do I fix this?
post #107 of 122
i have hdtv sony wega 34", i dont have a blu ray player yet,..i do have a dvd upconvert hdmi im using and for some reason it has a ghost like border on white edges when using 480p and is even worse in 720 p...so im using 480p to minimize the edge ghost effect (and i tried another brand dvd upconvert and it did the same thing)

my question is this, if i get a blu ray player and only play dvds(not blu ray disks) on it, will the picture quality be better than what im using now which is a panasonic upconvert hdmi signal ?


no its not edge enhancement. i tried that.

i cant plug the dvd player into another tv because i dont have another hdtv ,only a old analog tv....

its a sony wega 34' crt 16:9 hdtv 720p/1080i tv..the picture on hd cable is better than even $4000 lcd or plasmas ive seen at the store

its not "moving ghosting" like you see on lcds...its more of a "double highlighted white edge on bright objects" instead of a "ghost"

when i tried the s-video or component inputs it does the same thing, so i bought another dvd player and it was worse than the one i have now which is a very good one

but im just wondering if a bluray player will correct this?

problem is, if the problem is related to my hdmi processor input on my tv, then the blu ray will have the same double highlighted edge.
post #108 of 122
We just hooked up dish last noche. Bought the new DTV receiver HD.

Wowsers.

Cant wait to leave work and plant myself in couch in front of TV

LOL
post #109 of 122
I've had my Sony 34HS420 for 13 months, and I've just recently noticed the tv has the "scrolling vertical bar" issue on the hdmi input, when recieving a 1080i signal.
This bar is translucent, about 2 inches wide, and sweeps from the right to the left. It's mainly visible on very dark scenes. Practically invisible on bright scenes. I discovered it by accident when I freeze-framed a scene during Dark City. Now, of course, I can see it when I look for it.
Changing the output of my Toshiba HD DVD player to 720p removes this issue completely. But, the picture seems a bit softer on 720p.
Have others with this set noticed this issue? It seems to be well documented for other Sony HD sets...
post #110 of 122
I haven't noticed it...
post #111 of 122
I didn't notice it for a whole year. Try a dark dvd, do a pause and look closely at the set.
I think another reason I noticed it is that I changed from Pro mode to Standard mode and recalibrated the set with my DVE disc. Pro mode is bleak and dim and probably covered up the vertical bar....
post #112 of 122
Hi!
My Sony is a 30'' HS420 which is hooked up to a Cambrige Audio DVD player though component cables.
The player's menu lets me choose 480i or p output. When the Sony receives the 480i signal, the picture is fine, the screen automatically swiches to Full and I can toggle the DRC setting. The problem occurs when the signal is 480p. The picture is slightly better but the screen goes to Wide Zoom which is the 4:3 default setting, the DRC is disabled and there's a convergence issue mainly with text displayed on screen! I hope someone knows what I'm talking about! I'm baffled to say the least.

rich
post #113 of 122
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Originally Posted by 3cylinders View Post

Hi!
My Sony is a 30'' HS420 which is hooked up to a Cambrige Audio DVD player though component cables.
The player's menu lets me choose 480i or p output. When the Sony receives the 480i signal, the picture is fine, the screen automatically swiches to Full and I can toggle the DRC setting. The problem occurs when the signal is 480p. The picture is slightly better but the screen goes to Wide Zoom which is the 4:3 default setting, the DRC is disabled and there's a convergence issue mainly with text displayed on screen! I hope someone knows what I'm talking about! I'm baffled to say the least.

rich

Not sure what your baffled about. The DRC is supposed to be disabled for 480p inputs and I assume that the wide zoom is not locked and Full mode results in the correct screen mode when selected.

Full mode is the correct mode for 480i/p anamorphic video. NON-anamorphic/enhanced for widescreen/etc discs will look distorted in Full mode. The dvd player must send an appropriate emedded signal for the Sony to automatically select Full Mode. I'll also assume that the dvd player has been setup for a 16:9 output.

In general, convergence problems are independent of input format.
post #114 of 122
Thanks Raouliii for the reply! I'm glad to hear the DRC thing is in check. And yes the player is set to 16:9. I still don"t get why the Sony doesn't stay on Full mode when I switch to 480p, it changes to Wide Zoom which stretches the picture. I have to manually put it back to Full. As for the convergence issue, maybe I'm not using the right term. Here's the thing, I pop in the Terminator 2 dvd and when I choose an option on the disc's menu it highlights in red. In 480i everthing is fine. In 480p the red highlight is out of alignment. Any ideas?

rich
post #115 of 122
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Originally Posted by clawhn View Post

i have hdtv sony wega 34", i dont have a blu ray player yet,..i do have a dvd upconvert hdmi im using and for some reason it has a ghost like border on white edges when using 480p and is even worse in 720 p...so im using 480p to minimize the edge ghost effect (and i tried another brand dvd upconvert and it did the same thing)

my question is this, if i get a blu ray player and only play dvds(not blu ray disks) on it, will the picture quality be better than what im using now which is a panasonic upconvert hdmi signal ?


no its not edge enhancement. i tried that.

i cant plug the dvd player into another tv because i dont have another hdtv ,only a old analog tv....

its a sony wega 34' crt 16:9 hdtv 720p/1080i tv..the picture on hd cable is better than even $4000 lcd or plasmas ive seen at the store

its not "moving ghosting" like you see on lcds...its more of a "double highlighted white edge on bright objects" instead of a "ghost"

when i tried the s-video or component inputs it does the same thing, so i bought another dvd player and it was worse than the one i have now which is a very good one

but im just wondering if a bluray player will correct this?

problem is, if the problem is related to my hdmi processor input on my tv, then the blu ray will have the same double highlighted edge.


Try lowering the picture setting and see if the ghosting goes away. If it does then your contrast is too high or you need to adjust your focus in the service menu.
post #116 of 122
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Originally Posted by 3cylinders View Post

..... I still don"t get why the Sony doesn't stay on Full mode when I switch to 480p, it changes to Wide Zoom which stretches the picture. I have to manually put it back to Full. As for the convergence issue, maybe I'm not using the right term. Here's the thing, I pop in the Terminator 2 dvd and when I choose an option on the disc's menu it highlights in red. In 480i everthing is fine. In 480p the red highlight is out of alignment. Any ideas?

rich

I have a Sony DVD player that can be switched from i to p on the fly, and my 34HS510 (Wide Zoom default) doesn't jump out of Full mode during the switch, for anamophic DVDs. Have you tried starting up a DVD in 480p mode to see what will happen? I suspect that the DVD player may not be outputting the necessary signal for auto Full when operating in 480p. The red shifting between i and p may mean that there is something out of adjustment on the DVD player. I think some high end DVD players have Y/C delay adjustments that could create what you are seeing.

BTW, I have never seen much of a difference between 480i and 480p when viewing SD DVDs on my HS510. Both resolutions are upconverted by the set.
post #117 of 122
Thanks again for the tips Raouliii! I'll see if I can get the two "talking" to each other.

rich
post #118 of 122
I seem to have a problem with my TV, its a 30HS420 which will be two years old come this christmas.

The problem is my picture is crooked, the whole picture seems to be skewed ever so slightly counter-clockwise. Its not very noticeable except when playing my PS3 as HUD elements will disappear into the lower left and upper right corners, and also the prevalence of horizontal lines in both HUDs and menus make it very obvious.

Is there any way I can fix this without having to pay to have it repaired?
post #119 of 122
Quote:
I seem to have a problem with my TV, its a 30HS420 which will be two years old come this christmas.

The problem is my picture is crooked, the whole picture seems to be skewed ever so slightly counter-clockwise. Its not very noticeable except when playing my PS3 as HUD elements will disappear into the lower left and upper right corners, and also the prevalence of horizontal lines in both HUDs and menus make it very obvious.

Is there any way I can fix this without having to pay to have it repaired?

When I had this set I initially had the same problem. I fixed it in one of the menus (server or user, don't remember). If you can't find it in the user menus it'll be under the service one. Just do a quick search in the forums (or google) to find out how to enter the service menu and adjust tilt.

As a side note...

This was my first HDTV. I owned it for a little over three years before upgrading to a KDS-60a3000. I really loved this set. Aside from the initial tilt and overscan issues which I easily fixed with the help of the service menu, it has been a joy to watch. Now it's off to my parent's who are upgrading from their 22" Sylvania or whatever it was. HD material looks fantastic (Sat, HD-DVD, Xbox360) and SD wasn't all that bad. Black was actually black though I think the newer techs have come a long way in fixing said issue. My only complaint with the older tube technology is while it had (still does!) a beautiful picture, it is insanely heavy. I think it was something like 225lbs for the 34" set. My new 60" SXRD is only 90lbs or so...

If you can get passed the bulk, these are great TVs.
post #120 of 122
I am having somewhat of a color offset problem. It seems worse with reds than any other color. Below are picts of what the problem looks like. Anyone know a solution?
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