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post #91 of 4252
My contact at BB/Magnolia says the new Elites are expected in "The next couple months". That is all.
post #92 of 4252
The guy at Magnolia that I talked to said they already have pricing for the 50" 1080P panels. They should be arriving in a couple of months.
post #93 of 4252
So is the new 1080P going to incorporate the 7th gen technology right? The reason I ask is because the picture on Pio website has the outer bezel etc matching that of the 5050. It doesn't even have the slimmer bezel design of the 5060. That got me to wondering what was going on. hmmm.

Curtis
post #94 of 4252
Im ready to buy my first plasma had a couple units picked out but willing to wait for the new pioneer since its suppose to be true 1080p,good looking plasma all the inputs you need but what will this 50" baby go for on the street roughly 4k,5k will it be worth the wait?Especially when I can get a 50" Panny 8huk just over 3k.
post #95 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pro_ac628 View Post

Im ready to buy my first plasma had a couple units picked out but willing to wait for the new pioneer since its suppose to be true 1080p,good looking plasma all the inputs you need but what will this 50" baby go for on the street roughly 4k,5k will it be worth the wait?Especially when I can get a 50" Panny 8huk just over 3k.

You are waaay out of line in your pricing. Pioneer has already stated that the PRO-FHD1 1080p 50" Plasma will be MSRP $10,000. You may get a street price 20% lower after it's been out awhile. I'm not sure what Pioneer means by "PRO", but most likely "professional" as this is monitor w/no speakers or tuners.

PS: I just googled the PRO-FHD1, and it seems CNET is stating a MSRP of $8000. There's your 20% off out the gate...hopefully.
post #96 of 4252
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

You are waaay out of line in your pricing. Pioneer has already stated that the PRO-FHD1 1080p 50" Plasma will be MSRP $10,000. You may get a street price 20% lower after it's been out awhile. I'm not sure what Pioneer means by "PRO", but most likely "professional" as this is monitor w/no speakers or tuners.

PS: I just googled the PRO-FHD1, and it seems CNET is stating a MSRP of $8000. There's your 20% off out the gate...hopefully.

Not really pioneer have Always had ridiculous high MSRP prices, its more like 30% or 40% lower for sreet price. And the theirs more then one model unit I believe thats going to have 1080p,the PRO-PHD1 is the Elite series,then theirs the PDP-5000EX and PDP-507HX which will be affordable by us the consumer I hope.
post #97 of 4252
Perhaps the stars are finally lining up for my wife and I. We are getting close to our first plasma. We are so spoiled by Tivo, that's why we havn't bought a plasma yet. Sounds like the Tivo Series 3 (HD) and the new Pio plasma might be coming out at about the same time.
post #98 of 4252
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Originally Posted by cajieboy View Post

I'm not sure what Pioneer means by "PRO", but most likely "professional" as this is monitor w/no speakers or tuners.

Pioneer uses the "PRO" prefix for their Elite line sets. The standard PureVision sets are prefixed with a "PDP", and the Elites begin with "PRO", as in "PRO-1130HD", which is the 50" Elite set. But you are correct about no tuner in the 50" 1080p model...speakers are probably included, however.
post #99 of 4252
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Originally Posted by tdavis21484 View Post

Pioneer uses the "PRO" prefix for their Elite line sets. The standard PureVision sets are prefixed with a "PDP", and the Elites begin with "PRO", as in "PRO-1130HD", which is the 50" Elite set. But you are correct about no tuner...speakers are probably included, however.

At least I know the 1130HD has tuners...hehe
post #100 of 4252
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Originally Posted by pro_ac628 View Post

Not really pioneer have Always had ridiculous high MSRP prices, its more like 30% or 40% lower for sreet price. And the theirs more then one model unit I believe thats going to have 1080p,the PRO-PHD1 is the Elite series,then theirs the PDP-5000EX and PDP-507HX which will be affordable by us the consumer I hope.

While thats true for the non-elites, the elites have typically been very hard to bargain on, mainly because only specialty, high-end shops carry them. Also, prior to last year, the Elite MSRP's were even higher. The difference betweeen the 5050 and the 1120 was about $2k if I recall correctly. The 5060 and 1130 difference is only $500, using msrps.

Not to mention demand waaay outstripping supply at the moment... you wont see any discounts period as long as thats the case.
post #101 of 4252
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Originally Posted by Elemental1 View Post

At least I know the 1130HD has tuners...hehe

Not to degenerate into an argument, but if you hadn't been skimming instead of paying attention, you'd know that I was talking about the PRO-FHD1 when I was speaking on the the tuner, not the PRO-xx30 line. But I did edit my original message to make that clearer.
post #102 of 4252
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Originally Posted by tdavis21484 View Post

Not to degenerate into an argument, but if you hadn't been skimming instead of paying attention, you'd know that I was talking about the PRO-FHD1 when I was speaking on the the tuner, not the PRO-xx30 line. But I did edit my original message to make that clearer.

Hehe..just seeing if you could take it.
post #103 of 4252
I'm looking to spend no more than about 4k for a new plasma. I was looking at getting either the 4360HD or spurging for the 5060. However, now that I am thinking about buying them late in their development cycle, would you just recommend waiting or do you think that the new models will be much more expensive and not incorporate the MR?
Thanks!
post #104 of 4252
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Originally Posted by scottc21pilot View Post

I'm looking to spend no more than about 4k for a new plasma. I was looking at getting either the 4360HD or spurging for the 5060. However, now that I am thinking about buying them late in their development cycle, would you just recommend waiting or do you think that the new models will be much more expensive and not incorporate the MR?
Thanks!

You're in the exact same situation as I am...I am personally holding out to have a look at the new Pioneers, due out (theoretically) in mid-to-late June. They seem to have some nice improvements, and I figure buying the newest possible set will ultimately put off the upgrade bug for an extra model year.

I figure that even if there is some glaring flaw in the new sets, I will be able to buy the 60 series on some sort of significant discount. Of course, I could just get burned, but we shall see.
post #105 of 4252
Pioneer seems to be having a real hard time supplying parts these days.....I guess that can be a good thing or a bad thing.
I wouldn't count on them delivering anything on time this year.
post #106 of 4252
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Originally Posted by tdavis21484 View Post

You're in the exact same situation as I am...I am personally holding out to have a look at the new Pioneers, due out (theoretically) in mid-to-late June. They seem to have some nice improvements, and I figure buying the newest possible set will ultimately put off the upgrade bug for an extra model year.

I figure that even if there is some glaring flaw in the new sets, I will be able to buy the 60 series on some sort of significant discount. Of course, I could just get burned, but we shall see.

You're also in the exact same situation that I am in, the only difference is that I am waiting on the NEC that will be based on the new Pioneer glass. I am now resigned to the fact that 1080P will be out of my reach for a few years .
post #107 of 4252
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Originally Posted by cpcat View Post

Fuji is a mystery at this point as to what they'll do after being acquired by Hitachi. I don't have the confidence in Hitachi like I do Pio.

No mystery, Fuji latest offerings show they are still building what many think are the best PDPs out there.
post #108 of 4252
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Originally Posted by Trunorth View Post

Cheez - totally serious on the 60/600 series. I have a 42PX500U sitting in my family room and I have spent a few hours in store on the 60 series running it through the paces and I can tell you the 500 has a 'smoother' PQ. There is a degree of noise on the 60 and face tones are not as realistic or accurately rendered as on the 50/500. First impressions on the 60 are 'wow' bright and bold but once you get by the whiter 'Tide' whites you begin to see subtle PQ 'issues' that are not there on the 50. Find any store with remaining 50/500 series and do a side by side if possible with the 60. The discriminating viewer will pick out the differences. I've seen a few comments on the Forum on same but by and large it seems to be a stampede overrun by thousands about their 60/600 purchase. I note that the Forum seems to be lacking some of the critical reviews that it use to get in the past. RH weighs in from time to time, but it feels like reading consumer reports lately on the Forum. Reason I was interested in the 60 is possibly upgrading to a 58 or even the 65 1080p. At this point I am grateful that I bought the 500, may be like buying an old tube driven amplifier but I am sticking to my story that the 50/500 has the better PQ, at least to this set of eyes.

Unless you feed the in-store panel the same source, quality and have it adjusted properly, its really tough to draw these conclusions IMO.
post #109 of 4252
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Originally Posted by Ken Ross View Post

Unless you feed the in-store panel the same source, quality and have it adjusted properly, its really tough to draw these conclusions IMO.

I saw a pair of 37-inchers above/below one another, both with the same feed, but adjustments were unknown (remotes no where to be seen). There was no doubt in my mind that Truenorth's description was exactly what my eyes saw.

Beyond that, last year's plastic was also better looking IMO.

my .01 (worth half as much)
post #110 of 4252
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Originally Posted by yobob View Post

I saw a pair of 37-inchers above/below one another, both with the same feed, but adjustments were unknown (remotes no where to be seen). There was no doubt in my mind that Truenorth's description was exactly what my eyes saw.

Beyond that, last year's plastic was also better looking IMO.

my .01 (worth half as much)

I think it might be the tuners. The glass is probably slightly better than our 500's.
Build quality...well, that isn't even close.
post #111 of 4252
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Originally Posted by yobob View Post

I saw a pair of 37-inchers above/below one another, both with the same feed, but adjustments were unknown (remotes no where to be seen). There was no doubt in my mind that Truenorth's description was exactly what my eyes saw.

Beyond that, last year's plastic was also better looking IMO.

my .01 (worth half as much)

You don't even need them side by side to notice that the 50/500 is smoother, I have seen it on every 60 series panasonic. The images rendered by the 60 reminds me of the shimmering you see when viewing bad broadcasts on DLP's. But I still prefer the 60 due to the increased contrast and fill ratio.
post #112 of 4252
Has anyone seen or heard of prebuys at any online retailers for the new 7th Gen sets?
post #113 of 4252
The pannys out of the box are WAY to sharp and alot of noise is visible in the picture. There have been many people that have gotten the picture very smooth and comparable to the 50u but it takes some tweaking to get there. I think that the 60u is showing the defects in the original source rather then introducing it's own artifacts. Somone with an HD DVD should comment if any noise or artifacts are present.
post #114 of 4252
Hi All,

I was supposed to be writing my final grad school paper tonight but I was searching on the internet and came across a website by leverger in the UK that was preselling the PDP-507X. I would post the link but I cannot post links according to the website policy. The product ID is 1057

I had a few questions for those who are more tech savy than me:
1.) How do those stats compare to the 5060? Do you think that there are any significant imporvements and/or additional reasons to wait instead of just buying the 5060 now?
2.)Is the media box gone for sure in the next generation plasmas?
3.)Why would they move the speakers to below the plasma on this new generation?
4.)Also, does anyone care to guess the US price when its released? The converted price seems to be about $5100 for suggested retail. That seems pretty similar to the $4999 retail for the 5060. Does that mean that retailers like TVA and others will offer it for a comparable price to the 5060 or is pioneer changing their pricing structure?

Thanks in advance for your replies.
post #115 of 4252
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Originally Posted by conan48 View Post

The pannys out of the box are WAY to sharp and alot of noise is visible in the picture. There have been many people that have gotten the picture very smooth and comparable to the 50u but it takes some tweaking to get there. I think that the 60u is showing the defects in the original source rather then introducing it's own artifacts. Somone with an HD DVD should comment if any noise or artifacts are present.

No offense, but let's leave discussion of Panasonics to the Panasonic forum, not the Pioneer 7th Gen thread, please.

Not trying to be a Mod, just trying to keep things on track.
post #116 of 4252
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Originally Posted by scottc21pilot View Post

Hi All,

I was supposed to be writing my final grad school paper tonight but I was searching on the internet and came across a website by leverger in the UK that was preselling the PDP-507X. I would post the link but I cannot post links according to the website policy. The product ID is 1057

I had a few questions for those who are more tech savy than me:
1.) How do those stats compare to the 5060? Do you think that there are any significant imporvements and/or additional reasons to wait instead of just buying the 5060 now?
2.)Is the media box gone for sure in the next generation plasmas?
3.)Why would they move the speakers to below the plasma on this new generation?
4.)Also, does anyone care to guess the US price when its released? The converted price seems to be about $5100 for suggested retail. That seems pretty similar to the $4999 retail for the 5060. Does that mean that retailers like TVA and others will offer it for a comparable price to the 5060 or is pioneer changing their pricing structure?

Thanks in advance for your replies.

Most of your questions have been answered in more detail than I can offer in one post earlier in the thread...it's not a long one, scan back through it and it will probably answer a lot of what you're wondering. If anything is not clear, we'll try to answer what we know (based on the limited information that is available).

As for number 3, I believe they did it in order to narrow the footprint (wallprint?) of the set. When I worked electronics retail, I saw customers fight constantly against space restrictions, and when you can't get the size you want because the speakers are in the way, that gets pretty annoying for a lot of people (especially if they aren't going to use the TV speakers).

Personally, I am waiting for the new models to be released. I was going to buy a 4360, but figured why not wait two months and get a better set for the same price. Just my two cents.
post #117 of 4252
I am also planning to buy myself the new PDP-427HX instead of the 4360, but just noticed that there is a 'big' difference in screen size...

4360 - Effective Screen Size: 952 (W) x 536 (H) mm -> Diagonal of 1,092 mm
427HX - Effective Screen Size: 922 (W) x 515 (H) mm -> Diagonal of 1,056 mm

Difference is (109.2cm-105.6cm)/2.54 = 1.417 inches !!!

If there is no big difference in the overall Picture Quality and Price compared to the 4360, I think I will go for the 6th generation
What's your opinion on this?
post #118 of 4252
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Originally Posted by fico99 View Post


If there is no big difference in the overall Picture Quality and Price compared to the 4360, I think I will go for the 6th generation
What's your opinion on this?


Wait and get a killer deal on the 4360. It's awesome.
post #119 of 4252
Well I guess I have to wait and see the Next gen Pio but this Gen 4360 can go toe to toe with any plasma and coem out on top for sure. Also If the screen size is smaller and they have chopped the Media Receiver unless the PQ is a big step up I think the 6th gen is a keeper. It seems to be a trend I guess as I saw the old and new gen Panny 50" side by side at BB and the 50U i think looks much better than the 60U. Maybe its the all silver frame or something on the new one the picture simply looks better on the older one. I hope thats not the case with the next gen Pio. BTW BB here is Canada is soldout of the 5060 and are sellign floor models so get em while you can good luck.
post #120 of 4252
I don't mean to sound like a nag but I don't really think my questions are answered. Comparing the performance details (contrast ratio, processor, new features) of the two models, are there any difference between the 5060 and the 507X. Also, can any one confirm the retail price in the US or if the media receiver is for sure a goner?

Thanks!
Jeff
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