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post #301 of 445
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Originally Posted by Mofongo View Post

If what this guy told you is true "across the board," I am having a little trouble understanding what a noise reduction setting of 1 or 2 means. If 3 is no Noise Reduction (NR) processing, how do you have even less than no NR??? Sharpness (S) and Edge Enhancement (EE) I can kind of see since you can choose deliberately blur things for settings 1 and 2, but what do you do for noise reduction...add more noise??

I have fiddled with all three of these settings a great deal. With a Sharpness of anything other than 1, I can see ringing around the edges of the text in the setup menu, which is a common byproduct of a sharpening filter. Therefore, this leads me to believe that 1 is the least aggressive amount of sharpening. I see no evidence of deliberate blurring.

Mofongo

You know, even after talking to the guy, I am not sure if I 100% belived him. It seemed like, all the way up the chain, this was the first time anyone had asked questions about the default settings on this player, and there was a lot of thumbing through the service manual to get answers to my questions. In my own experimentation, I can vouch for what you say... in fact, I have left those settings on "1" for the time being.

But at least we go an explination for the "Black" setting!

Once I get the service manual, I will let you all know what it has to say!
post #302 of 445
So what is the final verdict on the 960? is it worth getting if you have a 1080p set?
post #303 of 445
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Originally Posted by Jann Lee View Post

So what is the final verdict on the 960? is it worth getting if you have a 1080p set?

im wondering the same thing too. i got the samsugn hls5087w (1080p) and was wondering if the hd960 is worth it or should i just go for the oppo dv970? price isnt much fo a diff between the two.

only thing im using now is an xbox for movies.
post #304 of 445
I was going to keep the 960, but now I'm thinking I may return it for the oppo 971. I frequently get these horizontal scan lines when in 1080p - that go away after a minute. The player has super slow response time, and the picture quality is good -but i just think it can get better. My initial tweaks (with DVE disc)eliminated most of the blocking, but i'm now seeing it more.

Wish I had an extra $200 laying around so I could buy the Oppo and compare side by side.

It's a tough call, I need a second opinion!
post #305 of 445
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Originally Posted by wizzack View Post

I was going to keep the 960, but now I'm thinking I may return it for the oppo 971. I frequently get these horizontal scan lines when in 1080p - that go away after a minute. The player has super slow response time, and the picture quality is good -but i just think it can get better. My initial tweaks (with DVE disc)eliminated most of the blocking, but i'm now seeing it more.

Wish I had an extra $200 laying around so I could buy the Oppo and compare side by side.

It's a tough call, I need a second opinion!

isnt it possible you could also get the same macroblocking on the oppo 971? since they seem to use the same chipset?
post #306 of 445
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Originally Posted by ekk View Post

isnt it possible you could also get the same macroblocking on the oppo 971? since they seem to use the same chipset?

yup, you get it in both. it looks like some people have come up with some great results with the oppo after some calibration.
post #307 of 445
I spent another hour today setting the 960, still wasn't happy with the results. For the heck of it went to BB and picked up a sony ns75h and tried it tonight. MUCH BETTER! *Haven't even used DVE yet*

I'll stick with the sony75h & hls6187 combo until a HDDVD upgrade next year. This feels like a part time job - whew!
post #308 of 445
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

is this a dead issue or does anyone have any ideas on how to eliminate this? How do you get the player to not show the message "HDMI audio not supported" other than turning off messages? And what makes it display this message? Is it because you are routing the audio out via some other method, such as optical or coaxil? Does the player not have the capabilaity to send the audio out via HDMI if another digital output is utilized?

I am reposting this in the hope that more people have bought the 960 and maybe someone else has experienced this. Has anyone found a reason and/or solution for this message being displayed when using the HDMI?

To recap, I have the HD960 hooked to the HLS5687, via HDMI. Audio to the AVR635, via Coax. Also have a STB connected to the TV via HDMI, no issues. TV speakers off. Message displays at the top of the sceen for about 5 seconds when disc is started, then disappears. Regardless of what the HDMI setting is on, Standard TV, TV-RGB, or Monitor, the message appears. Yes, the HD960 digital bitstream is ON and must be on in order for me to send a DD or DTS signal to my receiver via the coax or optical output from the HD960, so turning it off is not an option. I verified that the 635 can receive both DD or DTS in this arrangement. Turn Bitstream off, and only analog goes to the receiver.

Any ideas? Is there some other setting I am missing here?
post #309 of 445
not really a fix, but if you go to setup -> dispay setup there is on option called screen messages. I turned this off, and now I don't see that message anymore... or any other messages, for that matter.
post #310 of 445
yes, I know. that is what I have done (mentioned in my original posting). But I would like to know why this is happening, in case I have a defect somewhere.
post #311 of 445
I am looking for the lowest cost DVD player which outputs a signal via HDMI (either 480i or 480p). The thinking here is that I will let my Samsung HLS-5087 deinterlace/scale the signal as necessary instead of paying for a redundant capability in an upscaling DVD player. Presumably taking a digital signal via HDMI to the Samsung is of value since it cuts out a digital to analog conversion. Any thoughts on whether this makes any sense and what DVD players are worthwhile?
post #312 of 445
Hi, I am a new member though I have followed this forum for a long time. But to your question of DVD players with HDMI outputs. I own a Samsung DVD HD 960 and it has a great looking output on 480p to my H31 Optoma projector DVI input. However on the menu setup for my Optoma the display mode in the Samsung menu must be set to TV monitor for optimum results. On the other setting TV-RGB the display was not as crisp. Overall I am satisfied the picture quality.
post #313 of 445
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Originally Posted by tuccillo View Post

I am looking for the lowest cost DVD player which outputs a signal via HDMI (either 480i or 480p). The thinking here is that I will let my Samsung HLS-5087 deinterlace/scale the signal as necessary instead of paying for a redundant capability in an upscaling DVD player. Presumably taking a digital signal via HDMI to the Samsung is of value since it cuts out a digital to analog conversion. Any thoughts on whether this makes any sense and what DVD players are worthwhile?

Heck, I picked up a refurbished Samsung VR325 DVD-R/VCR from TigerDirect for $149 minus a $50 rebate that I received in three days, for a net of around $100. I wanted to replace my old VCR and be able to copy tapes over to DVD. It has HDMI.
post #314 of 445
I am confused from Samsung's press release about the 960 and 1080, and 960's brochure(1080i/720p on HDMI)

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The DVD-HD960 and DVD-HD1080 boast a natural, clear picture, upconverted by way of DCDi by Faroudja (Directional Correlation De-interlacing),
which substantially eliminates jagged edges that appear when standard interlaced video is viewed on progressive-scan displays.

The cream of this year's DVD player crop, the DVD-HD1080 boasts 5.1ch DVD Audio / SACD support via its HDMI output and true HD 1080p progressive output. This means your home theater can become your home concert arena when watching favorite music DVDs. The unit has an emotional Jog-shuttle, allowing for improved ease of navigation within the DVD's content

Sounds like only the 1080 has the true 1080P output, but not the 960.
post #315 of 445
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Originally Posted by js13 View Post

I am confused from Samsung's press release about the 960 and 1080, and 960's brochure(1080i/720p on HDMI) Sounds like only the 1080 has the true 1080P output, but not the 960.

That same brochure that you refer to also includes this:

Designed for those who accept nothing less than HDTV quality, the DVD-HD960 upconverts the resolution of conventional DVDs to 1080p/1080i/720p, giving them amazing clarity.

Up-Conversion (1080p/1080i/720p) high picture quality
Samsung's DVD Players up-convert the resolution of ordinary DVDs to
1080p/1080i/720p High-definitionwhich means you'll experience the video and
audio quality you think was possible from a DVD player

Hi-Def conversion DVD player 1080p up conversion up-converts the resolution of ordinary DVDs to 1080p/1080i/720p/high-definition.
post #316 of 445
HD960 hooked up to HLS5087 using HDMI and audio to A/V receiver.

Set the DVD to manual output 1080p and the movie will randomly lock up the player. The picture freezes, nothing will work accept on/off. Tried this with different new dvds, changed HDMI output setting to auto. Still same thing.

Switching to component and the set doesn't lockup. So something wrong with my DVD upscaler?

Also, have output set to TV-RGB. Haven't tried other settings.

Thanks
post #317 of 445
I have the exact same issue with my Insignia 1080p 42" LCD display as the Westy, that is, the 1080p display selection from the samsung menu dosn't stick (I know they are more less the same model made by Prima but firmware must be different). My options are less as I do not have any DVI connector. Who should I yell at first, Samsung to the Insignia? I would prefer to get a fix via upgraded firmware on the Samsung.
post #318 of 445
I have had this player for 2 weeks now and I find a night and day difference over my pioneer dv47ai in PQ although very light and cheap feeling it does a great job upconverting and I am running at 1080p via hdmi(1080p is only through hdmi ) to a hls6767 no complaints video res selection is easily assessed from a button on the remote so you can change res at will they all look good it is a nice player especilly for <200.00
post #319 of 445
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Originally Posted by Battle View Post

HD960 hooked up to HLS5087 using HDMI and audio to A/V receiver.

Set the DVD to manual output 1080p and the movie will randomly lock up the player. The picture freezes, nothing will work accept on/off. Tried this with different new dvds, changed HDMI output setting to auto. Still same thing.

Switching to component and the set doesn't lockup. So something wrong with my DVD upscaler?

Also, have output set to TV-RGB. Haven't tried other settings.

Thanks

Battle try going stright to tv from dvd player . In my orig setup I bought a pio vsx84tsxi for hdmi switching to replace my vsx47tx but ran into a glitch cable dvr would not work through reciver hdcp at work and the dvd pic would flash black screen for a split second then continue on fine then flash again later 3 to 4 times in a movie . I tried everything to no avail till I ran striaght to tv(hls6767) works perfectly now so I am returning rcvr
post #320 of 445
So for those who have the player, what is the verdict? Is it a keeper or not.
I am especially interested in hearing from those with a Samsung DLP TV.
I have a Samsung HLP 5063 and I am trying to decide between the HD960 or the OPPO 971.

Thanks!
post #321 of 445
works fine for me. HLS5687 via HDMI
post #322 of 445
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

works fine for me. HLS5687 via HDMI


Thanks, any macroblocking issues.
post #323 of 445
nope none for me. I calibrated with DVE and use movie mode and it seems to work fine
post #324 of 445
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Originally Posted by Tarheel72 View Post

nope none for me. I calibrated with DVE and use movie mode and it seems to work fine


How is the image/picture quality?
post #325 of 445
not sure what else I can tell you. It looks fine to me. Had it since early June but I haven't used it too much, just three or four films but they looked good to me. Pearl Harbor, Doom, Gladiator, 3000 Miles to Graceland I think. All were fine, no squirrely pictures or artifacs, no hiccups, no nothing. Just worked like it should. I got all the values turned to 1, and I got the black level set to on, or whatever it is. I am upscaling to 1080p in the player and sending that to the TV, so the TV doesn't do anything to the picture. Some send a 720p to the TV, some even a 480p, and let the TV upscale. I figure they use the same chip, and I have always sent the highest resolution to the TV that I can. 1080p is the TV''s native resolution, so it justs takes the signal in and spits it back out again as is and it looks good to me.
post #326 of 445
Ok so I have my DVD hooked up to my reciever (yamaha RXV2600) via HDMI, then HDMI out from reciever to my HLS, when I play dvd's on a layer skip or a dvd flaw, finger smudge etc) my reciever goes into a high frequency squeal that will not stop, the squeal is volume adjustable, but I have to turn of the DVD and back on and restart the movie for the noise to go away. DVD set to PCM, since i was doing all via HDMI cable.


Any clues, or anymore info required, or anyone experience this?
post #327 of 445
I thought you had to set the DVD to Bitstream to get DD 5.1? That's what the manual says on page 51 of the 960 maunal. It says to select Bitstream when connected to a DD decoder. When mine is set to PCM it does not out DD. However, I take my HDMI direct to the TV and run a digital coax to the receiver for audio. Maybe the HDMI going through the receiver is the issue, try running a seperate audio to the receiver and see if that helps.
post #328 of 445
Wondering whether there is is noticable difference between 1080i & 1080p output via HDMI to a Sammy HLS which supposedly is capable of accepting 1080p). I read a lot on this forum and others, and would like to think that the 960 would be my best choice. However, many rave about the OPPO products, yet they upconvert "only" up to 1080i. Will I be shortchanging my HLS-5687 capabilities going that route?
post #329 of 445
Anyone using this Samsung with a Sharp LCD? I've got a Sharp 37D90U about 6 weeks ago and now I'm in the market for a nice upconverting dvd player to replace the old Panasonic not-even-progressive-scan POS that I inherited a while back...

I'm pretty much down to this or the OPPO...
post #330 of 445
So whats the final word, the HD960 is good or not?
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