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Hitachi 51F59/57F59 vs RCA D52W59, and some questions from a novice (LONG)

post #1 of 850
Thread Starter 
My current set just died (an Apex 43" I got after Black Friday for $300 three years ago) so the wife and I are shopping for something new. The living room is a big space (the 43" looked small in there) and I'd like to get something a little bigger this time.

Not looking to spend a lot ($1000 - 1500), and my viewing requirements are pretty straightforward: We do about 80% of our viewing from the HD-capable DVR we get with our Comcast digital cable service (a few HD channels but the vast majority of our stuff is SD, so the quality of SD PQ is pretty important to me) - the other 20% of our viewing comes from DVDs.

Tracked down this forum and hopped on a couple nights ago, did some reading, and figured my best bet was probably a CRT rear-projection set. Looked at some of the units in my price range, and decided a couple good choices were the Hitachi 51F59 (at Circuit City for $1234) or one of the 52" RCAs (D52W20, D52W23, or D52W59). So far, so good... headed to the stores thinking I'd pick a winner and be done with it.

Here's where I got tripped up. Circuit City had about a million plasmas, LCDs, and DLPs- the majority of which looked fricking awesome (although most of them were smaller than I'd want, and way more expensive)... but the two CRT RPs they had (the Hitachi and, strangely, the RCA D52W59... even though I didn't see it on their web site) were pretty much hidden in an aisle, and the pictures on them were far from awesome.

Questions:

1. I know looking at signals at Circuit City is not the way to judge TV quality, but I would like a reality check from the group that the CRT RPs really shouldn't be an order of magnitude worse than everything else out there. I told my wife the sets probably weren't configured right, and she just raised an eyebrow at me. I stood my ground... now I just want to make sure I was right.

2. Anyone compared the Hitachi and RCA units? I was thinking the Hitachi would be a better unit (since it was just released, is priced a little higher, and comes from a manufacturer with a better rep than RCA) but the RCA looked similar, and can be had cheaper ($894 at Wal-Mart or $949 w/free delivery and a DVD recorder at Best Buy... Circuit City wanted over $1100 and me to pay for delivery... bah.) Is the Hitachi worth the extra bucks?

3. Circuit City also had a sign (but no actual unit) for the 57" version of the Hitachi (57F59), again not on their web site, for $1499. For $260 more than the 51", this seemed like an attractive option. Anyone got this set? Is it basically the same thing as the 51F59, but bigger?

4. Extended warranties... I've never been an extended warranty guy, but perusing this site it seems like TVs aren't built like they used to be. I'm hoping a CRT RP will be less "fragile" than some of the newer stuff (and no bulbs to buy is nice), but can I expect this thing to break in a year or three? Also, if I just keep the manufacturer's warranty and something goes wrong in the first year... am I screwed? Will they send a tech out, or will I need to send the thing somewhere to get fixed?

5. Okay, last one... is Circuit City in general just a rip-off? They were pricing a lot higher on the RCA 52" than either Wal-Mart (for the exact same model) or Best Buy (for basically the same thing, D52W59 vs D52W23) - makes me nervous about buying either of the Hitachis there.

Wow, that was longer than I thought it would be. Any help would be appreciated - I'm hoping to pick something in the next day or two.

Thanks!
post #2 of 850
Get the Hitachi 51F59. RCA has a lousy reputation and Hitachi has the best reputation for CRT based RPTVs.

You can get that unit at 6th Ave. Electronics for hundreds of dollars less than CC with 6 cent shipping.

IB
post #3 of 850
Thread Starter 
Looks like 6th Ave doesn't have six cent shipping on the 51", and it looks like they don't have the 57F59 at all... but the 65F59 is there for $1498 with 6 cent shipping. Oh man, that's tempting!

Is 6th Ave reliable?
post #4 of 850
1) Get the Extended warranty. I was a big anti-extended warranty guy for over 25 years and it always saved me money. until a 2.5 year old DLP dead on me and would cost 60% of what I paid for it new to fix.......Get the Extended warranty. Learn from my mistake. When I bought my 65F710 crt 2 months ago I got a 3 year EW with it.............only 130 bucks and give me a little peace of mind after getting bent-over by that d@mn DLP and $400 bulb replacment cost that I had to buy after just 2200 hours

2) CRT rear-projection never look good in the stores next to the LCD/DLP's. They want to sell the new stuff for $2500 and up not the old school CRT's for 1/3 the price . When you get the RP CRT home and fine tune it a bit it will look just as good, if not better then the (DLP, LCD, etc etc ).

3) If..you are willing to buy from a online vendor you will get a better deal then at Bestbuy or Circuit City. But some folks feel better buying local. I saved close 400 bucks buying on line, once I added no tax and free shipping

4) When it comes to RP CRT's pick the Hitachi over an RCA........Not even close.

good luck
post #5 of 850
Thread Starter 
Thanks for the responses! Couple follow-ups...

Mind telling me which online vendor you used?

If the vendor doesn't sell an extended warranty, how do you get one?

Alright, one more... the 65F710 seems like the previous model of the 65F59 - are there any differences I need to know about?
post #6 of 850
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Originally Posted by Bigguss View Post

Alright, one more... the 65F710 seems like the previous model of the 65F59 - are there any differences I need to know about?

The F710 has more standard features vs the F59 models. Both are not bad but go with the F710 if able.
post #7 of 850
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Originally Posted by Bigguss View Post

Thanks for the responses! Couple follow-ups...

Mind telling me which online vendor you used?

If the vendor doesn't sell an extended warranty, how do you get one?

Alright, one more... the 65F710 seems like the previous model of the 65F59 - are there any differences I need to know about?


1)Extended warranty 3 years $130 for the RP CRT
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4&page=1&pp=30

2)Where I got my Hitachi from: very happy with the company and my Hitachi
http://www.uecweb.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=1&pg=1

3) Threads to read
http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hlight=Hitachi

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...hlight=Hitachi

4) Thread about the small differences of 710 vs F59

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...ht=Hitachi+f59
post #8 of 850
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Originally Posted by Bigguss View Post

Looks like 6th Ave doesn't have six cent shipping on the 51", and it looks like they don't have the 57F59 at all... but the 65F59 is there for $1498 with 6 cent shipping. Oh man, that's tempting!

Is 6th Ave reliable?

A week ago 6th Ave. had the Hitachi 51F59 for $998. plus 6 cent shipping. Now its in store only for some reason. Maybe their stocks are running low.

IB
post #9 of 850
Thread Starter 
They've still got the 65F59 with six cent shipping, though! My wife is no help - she wants the 65" - shouldn't she be trying to talk me OUT of the bigger, more expensive set?
post #10 of 850
Thread Starter 
That was a lot of reading!

Great info on the extended warranty - I'll definitely be doing that ($130 for an extra three years is a lot less than I was expecting.)

I'm basically now choosing between the 65F59 (new) and the 65F710 (refurb). Looks like the main components are the same, but the 710 has some features the 59 is lacking. Since I'm pretty new to this, hoping someone can help explain what missing some of these would mean to me.

According to the thread you linked, the differences are:
The 181 Channel NTSC Tuner (QAM tuner?) I have digital cable and would move to satellite if I were to change. Does lacking this tuner affect me?
Cable Card slot (honestly, not even sure what this is - anyone?)
Auto Link Input Sensor (nifty concept, but no biggee)
Optical Digital Output (can't imagine I'd ever use this, what is this even used for?)
AV Output with S-Video (same)
SRS Surround (meh, I wouldn't use this anyway)
BBE Sound Enhancement (same here)
It's 37 Pounds Lighter
A couple things that the thread said were missing on the F59 seem to be (at least according to the Hitachi site ) included:
TV as Center Channel (this one is pretty cool - I think I'd actually use it.)
24 Watt Speaker System (meh, I go through my stereo anyway)
The whole idea of a refurb (and a set that's a year older) kind of gives me the willies. Are any of the features I'd be missing out on if I went new really important?

Also, anyone here bought through 6Ave before? If I go F59 that's where I'm looking. Heard all kinds of good things about UECWeb, so I already feel comfortable with them as a vendor if I go F710.

One other thought - if I get a new one it comes with a one year manufacturer's warranty, so the $130 gets me four years rather than three plus 90 days, right?

Thanks!
post #11 of 850
I have never had luck with refurbished units. Can you get an extended warranty on them?

IB
post #12 of 850
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Originally Posted by inky blacks View Post

I have never had luck with refurbished units. Can you get an extended warranty on them?

IB

TapeWorks will do E-W on refurbished units as do others.
post #13 of 850
Thread Starter 
I'm pretty close to buying - last question is really what not having a the tuner or cable card (since the f59 doesn't include them) would mean. Are those things I need?
post #14 of 850
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Originally Posted by Bigguss View Post

I'm pretty close to buying - last question is really what not having a the tuner or cable card (since the f59 doesn't include them) would mean. Are those things I need?

If it does not have a built-in over-the-air HDTV tuner it means you need the cable company, or satellite company, to hook you up for HDTV, which is what most people do anyway. Most people who have built in HDTV tuners never use them and they are just wasted. You can always buy an external HDTV tuner in a couple of years when the technology gets better and cheaper. Right now they don't work all that well and are slow to respond. With a satellite dish or a cable hook-up there is no problem.

I would love to have a 65" TV but my place is just too small. I never thought such a large and high quality set like the Hitachi would ever be so cheap. I underestimated the power of the free market.

IB
post #15 of 850
Thread Starter 
That's what I thought - just wanted to make sure.

Just ordered the 65F59 from 6Ave !! Can't wait 'til it gets here !!

Thanks Jones and Inky for your help! Between the forum and your quick responses, I felt like I crammed a lot of learning into just a few hours... and made a well-informed choice.

Let's hope this TV lasts longer than my last one!
post #16 of 850
the F59 DOES have an HDTV Tuner... it just not QAM compatible.
post #17 of 850
And you will be able to use the F59 as the center channel speaker as well (p. 38 of the F59 manual). Although you mentioned you would probably like to use this feature, I am recommending against it. In my opinion, you really want the center channel to match your main speakers. That way when you have audio that moves from center channel to left (or right), it will blend better. If the center channel has a different sound to it than the mains you will really notice it when a sound moves between speakers. Of course, if your current center doesn't match your mains and you don't mind the difference, than go for it.
post #18 of 850
Circuit City has the 51F59 for $999 with free shipping on their website now.


This is a great post because I was also looking at the same units you were. I will probably go with the Hitachi 51 or 57 in a few months. Good luck with your purchase and enjoy your huge 65" TV (I wish I could afford it).
post #19 of 850
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Originally Posted by jones07 View Post

2)Where I got my Hitachi from: very happy with the company and my Hitachi
http://www.uecweb.com/index.php?p=catalog&parent=1&pg=1

While the company seems fine the prices are nearly the same as local retail???
post #20 of 850
It was close, but:
1)I could not find a 65" locally and
2)Free shipping and no TAXES won the day for me for uec.
At the time I bought my unit, it was $375 cheaper then I could find anywhere else, all things added in.. This was 3-4 weeks before the F59's hit the market driving down prices a bit.
post #21 of 850
Has anyone bought the 51F59 with the special at Circuit City? Did the picture look better in the house than in the store?
Thoughts anyone?
post #22 of 850
i have the hitachi 51f59 and love it. i know it dosen't look good at the store ,but the settings are terrible out of the box on this tv. just changing the brightness and contrast improved the picture by atleast 25%. they have the settings all way to high. all mine were at or near 100%. love this tv once i got all the settings corrected. hd is awesome digital cable is near hd and sd is not bad and in my opinion better then any dlp,lcd,lcos i have seen as far as sd goes. i am waiting for the 57f59 to arrive at cc as i am exchanging my 51 for the 57. for the price on this tv you can get the tv and a top notch audio set up and still have money left over compared to any lcd,dlp or plasma this size and don't have to worry about bulbs. is the picture as bright as any of those tv's no but the overall picture for sd and dvd is better then any tv out there right now in my opinion and as good in HD. the only thing close or maybe better would be a very good plasma for $4000+. anyway set this tv up correctly with the right settings and you won't be disappointed. good luck and let me know if get one and what you think once you get it set up right. oh i have had my tv for about three weeks.
post #23 of 850
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Originally Posted by thebigdaddye View Post

i have the hitachi 51f59 and love it. i know it dosen't look good at the store ,but the settings are terrible out of the box on this tv. just changing the brightness and contrast improved the picture by atleast 25%. they have the settings all way to high. all mine were at or near 100%. love this tv once i got all the settings corrected. hd is awesome digital cable is near hd and sd is not bad and in my opinion better then any dlp,lcd,lcos i have seen as far as sd goes. i am waiting for the 57f59 to arrive at cc as i am exchanging my 51 for the 57. for the price on this tv you can get the tv and a top notch audio set up and still have money left over compared to any lcd,dlp or plasma this size and don't have to worry about bulbs. is the picture as bright as any of those tv's no but the overall picture for sd and dvd is better then any tv out there right now in my opinion and as good in HD. the only thing close or maybe better would be a very good plasma for $4000+. anyway set this tv up correctly with the right settings and you won't be disappointed. good luck and let me know if get one and what you think once you get it set up right. oh i have had my tv for about three weeks.

Did you need to run the convergence feature at all? Any thoughts on auto vs. manual convergence, and if it really makes any difference?
The display piece I saw at CC today seemed a bit blurry when compared to a sumsung dlp right next to it. What do you think?
How is the sound on this set? I too would consider the 57 if they were running a special on it like on the 51 currently.
Thanks.
Thanks.
post #24 of 850
i ran the auto one after a half hour and then went into the 9 point manual one just to see if it was of and it was pretty good just a tad off on a couple and i adjusted them. i then checked the 117 point and it seemed pretty good as well just a couple area slightly off,but i was told to wait until atleast 100+ hours before doing any kind of real fin tunning as in the 117 point manual converg. the only difference i guess in auto vs. manual is you can adjust the converg to the way you like it. the auto all it dose is set it back to the factor converg. as far as it being blurry i just think the way they have it set up at cc is why it's that way. mines not blurry at all. they probably have all the settings on , like noise reduction which will make it blurry as i turned it on and off on mine just to see what kind of affect it had and it only seemed to blurry the picture/ make it soft. i pretty much turned off all the noise reduction/ black level settings ect.. on it as i think they are useless and make the tv look worse. i know my tv's settings out of the box were all set high and i pretty sure all the noise reduction ect.. features were on and i went through and set them to my liking. as far as sound it is pretty good i think 24 watt speaks are good not great ,but for movies i use my surround sound system anyway. regular tv the sounds is good. to be totally honest i really don't think cc is pushing these tv's that much because they don't make that much off them. the new technology is were they are making a killing so they will try and push you to get one. i know when i went to pre order mine the guy just looked at me and said thats old technology and the picture is not as nice. i looked back at him and laughed and said oh well i'll take the old crt over the new stuff i don't have to worry about replacing a bulb every couple of years or so and i don't have to fork over 3000+ to have a great tv that should last 7+ years and has just as good of a picture or better. one thing they don't or won't show you is what these new tv's look like in sd because most of them look terrible/ lots of pixelation in them. oh the over the air hd tuner on this tv works great atleast for me it dose. i have an indoor antenna and get all my local hd channels. of course i have cable as well with the hd ,but i do pick up a few locals that the cable dose not offer.
post #25 of 850
These might be some dumb questions but...

I'm also looking at getting a 65" F59 but have a few questions before I pull the trigger...

Does the F59 break into two like the 710 did? I already have a nice black entertainment center + TV stand and it would look sweet if I could place just the screen into the opening. Are all the jacks on the back of the TV or on the back of the bottom part? Whats on the bottom part / stand? Just speakers? Will the TV sit balanced and flush on a TV stand if I removed the bottom part?

Thanks in advance...it will save me the trip to drive 20 miles to Circuit City and examine the TV in person...
post #26 of 850
thebigdaddye is right, if they have the Noise Reduction on that will make it burry. I don't even know what noise reduction is for, but it screws up the shapness something awful.
post #27 of 850
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Originally Posted by Pantleg View Post

These might be some dumb questions but...

I'm also looking at getting a 65" F59 but have a few questions before I pull the trigger...

Does the F59 break into two like the 710 did? I already have a nice black entertainment center + TV stand and it would look sweet if I could place just the screen into the opening. Are all the jacks on the back of the TV or on the back of the bottom part? Whats on the bottom part / stand? Just speakers? Will the TV sit balanced and flush on a TV stand if I removed the bottom part?

Thanks in advance...it will save me the trip to drive 20 miles to Circuit City and examine the TV in person...


All the inputs and outputs are on the bottom half of the TV/stand. I'm just guessing, but I don't thank the TV was meant to work broken in half. I think taking the top/bottom apart is only for making the moving of a 250-300 pound TV easier for carrying up and down your home steps. ie: to a basement rec-room or a 2nd story media-room

Here is a link that you will find a pdf of the user manual.
http://www.hitachi.us/tv/browse/proj...al/65F59.shtml
post #28 of 850
hmmmm i'm going to get the 51F59 or the 57F59. not sure how long it's gonna take for the 57F59 to cost $1200. if it gets to that price? anyone have a clue? the MSRP is $1499 so it should sell cheaper than that....
post #29 of 850
Sorry for raining on your parade(I was thinking about buying one these sets)but is'nt one of the reasons for the low price is the lack of an HDMI input. How will this effect BLU-RAY and hd-dvd(feh!)?
post #30 of 850
No raining on this parade
The F710 and F59 has 2 component inputs and 1 HDMI input
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