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post #211 of 925
whats the difference? R- just older??
post #212 of 925
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Originally Posted by CLNATR View Post

whats the difference? R- just older??

DVD-R is more compatible with some older DVD players. What Brand of DVD+R are you using, and what recording speed rating? Theoretically, either one of those factors could cause problems. A couple of my friends have older DVD players that balk at anything recorded on 16x media. I stick with 8x media due to that discovery.
post #213 of 925
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Originally Posted by CLNATR View Post

Can someone help me out. I am a new guy to this dvr. I am trying to figure out recording to dvd for play on other dvd players. I have successfully burned 5 hours of tv onto a disc at one of the longer recording settings, however anything I have tried to burn and finalize that was recorded in SP will not play on other recorders. I am using dvd +R 120mins dvd's.
Can someone enlighten me as to what I am doing wrong??


If I recall, the Philipps uses VR mode for DVD's. I know my DVD player won't play DVD's formattted in VR mode, only those in DVD-Video mode. If this has changed, I hope someone lets me know. It was the one thing stopping me from picking up this recorder.

Rick
post #214 of 925
CLNATR

The files are not vob files. A good trick, record your shows to a dvd rewrite. Down load a free program call "dvd shrink 3.2"

dvd shrink will burn your disc into a standard dvd format that will play on any dvd player. You can also do a little editing with shrink. Not a whole lot but some.
post #215 of 925
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Originally Posted by soultravler View Post

CLNATR

The files are not vob files. A good trick, record your shows to a dvd rewrite. Down load a free program call "dvd shrink 3.2"

dvd shrink will burn your disc into a standard dvd format that will play on any dvd player. You can also do a little editing with shrink. Not a whole lot but some.

Are you sure that they are not video mode files? Meaning that the Philips DVD discs do not contain the standard video mode vob structure?

There reason I ask is because I have the cousin of this unit (Polaroid 2001G) and my DVD recordings are in video mode. I made it a point to look at the file structue because the same question has been asked in the Polaroid thread. The Polaroid without a doubt burns in standard video mode.
post #216 of 925
You guys ARE finalizing the Discs, aren't you???
post #217 of 925
The files from your dvd recorder read as Dvd_VR. If you run it through shrink the dvd will read as a dvd-video
post #218 of 925
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Originally Posted by soultravler View Post

The files from your dvd recorder read as Dvd_VR. If you run it through shrink the dvd will read as a dvd-video

The DVD_VR is just the name of the DVD disc. This is an arbitrary naming decision. It has nothing to do with the file format.

The files themselves are in video mode format. If you look at the disc there is a video_ts folder. In the folder there are VOB files. There is a video_ts.ifo file etc. This file structure is "video mode" not VR mode. Don't let what the disc is named fool you.

There is no need to run anything through DVD Shrink. There is nothing to convert. The disc is already in video mode. DVD Shrink may help in making things work on a specific player but it is not converting anything.

The recorder is not capable of recording in VR mode. I wish it offered the option.

edit - I added a jpg of a burned disc to show the file format.

edit # 2. Well I may have to correct myself. The file format could be the +VR format which mimics the video mode format (file structure) but offers some editing capabilities. Looks like I was half right. It's not VR. +VR is a Philips introduced file format. Here's a link that explains it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_formats
LL
post #219 of 925
Here's a cut and paste that speaks to the +VR mode:

+VR Introduced by Philips for use on +RW. The idea was to keep compatibility with the DVD Video format so it could be played elsewhere, but try and introduce some features as found in the VR mode used on DVD-RW/DVD-RAM. +RW normally always uses this mode in set-top recorders. It doesn't need a separate finalise step to play in other DVD recorders, it is actually finalised just done in the background but makes it bit easier to use, i.e. you can't forget to do it but it does put extra wear on the disc as the same area of the disc is updated every time it is used. Due to DVD Video not being able to take advantage of defect management and the extra overheads of background finalising after each edit or recording, the +VR mode has always been the least reliable, and the editing features may be missing on some DVD recorders to make it more robust.

Because Video Mode and VR mode are DVD Forum standards, they are only used when recording to DVD approved formats i.e. DVD-RAM/DVD-RW/DVD-R discs. +RW isn't approved by the DVD Forum so can't get a license to use the above modes, hence Philips introducing their own +VR mode, so +RW gets +VR and generally they are not mixed.

However, many cheaper recorders are mixing these formats up now and typically this means not bothering to get the recorder approved by the DVD verification labs and so not paying the appropriate licence fee or reaching a certain level of quality or compatibility, and so just use +VR mode on DVD-RW and +RW. You can tell these by the lack of the DVD Video logo!


I guess this is why Philips doesn't advertise the -R capabilities even though -R works fine.
post #220 of 925
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

Here's a cut and paste that speaks to the +VR mode:

+VR Introduced by Philips for use on +RW. The idea was to keep compatibility with the DVD Video format so it could be played elsewhere, but try and introduce some features as found in the VR mode used on DVD-RW/DVD-RAM. +RW normally always uses this mode in set-top recorders. It doesn't need a separate finalise step to play in other DVD recorders, it is actually finalised just done in the background but makes it bit easier to use, i.e. you can't forget to do it but it does put extra wear on the disc as the same area of the disc is updated every time it is used. Due to DVD Video not being able to take advantage of defect management and the extra overheads of background finalising after each edit or recording, the +VR mode has always been the least reliable, and the editing features may be missing on some DVD recorders to make it more robust.

Because Video Mode and VR mode are DVD Forum standards, they are only used when recording to DVD approved formats i.e. DVD-RAM/DVD-RW/DVD-R discs. +RW isn't approved by the DVD Forum so can't get a license to use the above modes, hence Philips introducing their own +VR mode, so +RW gets +VR and generally they are not mixed.

However, many cheaper recorders are mixing these formats up now and typically this means not bothering to get the recorder approved by the DVD verification labs and so not paying the appropriate licence fee or reaching a certain level of quality or compatibility, and so just use +VR mode on DVD-RW and +RW. You can tell these by the lack of the DVD Video logo!


I guess this is why Philips doesn't advertise the -R capabilities even though -R works fine.

Nextoo

Are you talking about the Phillips or the Polaroid? I might try one of these if this is the case. I tried using the -VR mode on both of my current recorders, and my OPPO wouldn't reocognize the DVD. But if the Philipps uses a different VR mode, maybe it would work.

Does the Polaroid and the Philips use the same mode?

Thanks,
Rick
post #221 of 925
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Originally Posted by rickie View Post

Nextoo

Are you talking about the Phillips or the Polaroid? I might try one of these if this is the case. I tried using the -VR mode on both of my current recorders, and my OPPO wouldn't reocognize the DVD. But if the Philipps uses a different VR mode, maybe it would work.

Does the Polaroid and the Philips use the same mode?

Thanks,
Rick

I believe they record the same. The Polaroid is made by Philips. I am making a small leap but based on what I've read they do record the same way.
post #222 of 925
The DVD's I am using for burning are "Verbatim DVD+R" It says they are 16x or burn up to 16x. Is that all my problem is? The DVD's?
post #223 of 925
And yes I am finalizing discs.
post #224 of 925
It plays fine on the dvr after burning, it just won't play on my upstairs dvd player (3yrs old)
post #225 of 925
What brand/model is the dvd player.
post #226 of 925
rca
post #227 of 925
Rc5240p
post #228 of 925
I'd try -R. That model makes no claims as it concerns burned media. You might have a better chance with -R
post #229 of 925
Here is all it says about media:
LL
post #230 of 925
It's kind of crazy. I burn 1 disc, it doesn't work. I do another one and it works on my other player. It seems hit and miss. I'll try a R- and see what happens (when I get to a store)
Thanks for the insight everyone. I am new to this stuff and this is a great forum to learn.
post #231 of 925
RCA was one of the models that chokes on 16x discs for me and my pals. That may be the main problem. Try 8x and see what happens. I predict they will play fine. I only buy 8x now for this very reason.
post #232 of 925
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Originally Posted by nextoo View Post

The DVD_VR is just the name of the DVD disc. This is an arbitrary naming decision. It has nothing to do with the file format.

The files themselves are in video mode format. If you look at the disc there is a video_ts folder. In the folder there are VOB files. There is a video_ts.ifo file etc. This file structure is "video mode" not VR mode. Don't let what the disc is named fool you.

There is no need to run anything through DVD Shrink. There is nothing to convert. The disc is already in video mode. DVD Shrink may help in making things work on a specific player but it is not converting anything.

The recorder is not capable of recording in VR mode. I wish it offered the option.

edit - I added a jpg of a burned disc to show the file format.

edit # 2. Well I may have to correct myself. The file format could be the +VR format which mimics the video mode format (file structure) but offers some editing capabilities. Looks like I was half right. It's not VR. +VR is a Philips introduced file format. Here's a link that explains it:

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DVD_formats


OK, I checked VR mode on two other DVD recorders I have and neither of them have the DVD-Video file structure when using VR mode after finalizing. SO perhaps you're right and what the poloroid uses (and presumably the Philips) is a +VR mode.

I actually emailed Philips about this a few months ago (asking if they do indeed use VR mode and explained my problem. Their email response said they didn't understand the question and suggested I call customer support rather than email. I decided not to pursue it at that point.

Perhaps I'll look at this again, since I'm still in market for another DVD recorder with a Hard drive. (and Wal-Mart has a pretty good return policy.

(I guess now I'll have to go back over the Polaroid and Philllips threads to decide which one to check out.

Thanks
Rick
post #233 of 925
I read the wikipedia link. I do not know if the author of the piece meant to say dvd recorders when talking about the play ability of VR mode recordings. As most burners of dvd's know. Recorders are a lot more forgiving about what they will play or read than just plain old dvd players.

All I truly know as a burner of many dvd's, is the best way to get wide acceptance of what you burn is to get a burner that allows you book type as a dvd rom.
post #234 of 925
The only input I have running into my 3345h is the s-video through the ext-2 input. Problem is, every time the machine is turned off and then back on, the machine does not remember that I was using ext-2 and defaults back to the standard tuner. Is there some secret way to fix this, or is this something Philips needs to address in a new firmware revision?
post #235 of 925
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Originally Posted by phreak1118 View Post

The only input I have running into my 3345h is the s-video through the ext-2 input. Problem is, every time the machine is turned off and then back on, the machine does not remember that I was using ext-2 and defaults back to the standard tuner. Is there some secret way to fix this, or is this something Philips needs to address in a new firmware revision?

Not sure phreak. Mine always defaults to tuner first regardless of what Mode it was in upon shutdown. I have seen nothing in the menus to change that either.
post #236 of 925
Saw some on ebay with 320 and 500 gig hard drives. Did philips increase the storage or these just where someone replaced the 160 gig drive with a 500 gig drive? If I could replace original HD with a larger hard drive I might want to try it.
post #237 of 925
Is there a limit to how many Edit Points you can put on one recording with this unit? I was editing a football game I had previously recorded to the HDD and about midway thru the 2nd half when I tried to edit probably the 15th or 16th commercial out all my Edit Points preceding that one disappeared and I could not place the New Edit Point!!

When I rewound it just a bit all my Edit Points re-appeared. When I went forward again they all disappeared again! Then the Unit stopped responding to my remote, nor would the buttons on the unit function. Meanwhile, the game was still "playing" so I let it run to the end of the Title hoping that would help. It didn't. The unit was then fully locked up and only unplugging it from power worked. I plugged it back in, went back to my game, and ALL My Edit Points were gone!! : ( Has anyone here experienced anything similar with this unit?!?!?! : (
post #238 of 925
I was wondering if you think this is a good replacement for the Pioneer 531H. I need something with a larger hard drive and this philips looks like a good deal. Are there any features of the 531H that are missing from this philips model? Is the editing out commercials easier or more difficult?
post #239 of 925
Mertens, up to my problem last night I have found editing pretty easy with the Philips. Now I am a bit worried. Also, the Philips does NOT allow Playing a Preset Recording that is still in Progress. No True Chase Play on a Preset Recording Still in progress.

If I were buying again I would spend a bit more and get a Panny or a Pio. But I got my Philips for cheap so I am keeping it.
post #240 of 925
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Originally Posted by rlinx5 View Post

Saw some on ebay with 320 and 500 gig hard drives. Did philips increase the storage or these just where someone replaced the 160 gig drive with a 500 gig drive? If I could replace original HD with a larger hard drive I might want to try it.

I would just get one and try it, if your careful you can put in the old drive and take it back if it doesn't work out for you. It's basically the same machine as the polaroid so I'm pretty sure it will work the same way.
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