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post #1471 of 4023
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Originally Posted by alexcote View Post

Westy users: what is "Auto Source"? Does it actually switch to a newly-active source automagically? ie, if I'm watching cable through HDMI, and turn on my xbox (component), would it switch to component...?

Yes, that's what it does. I find it of limited value since my SA8300 outputs video even in standby mode and therefore doesn't trigger the auto-source when turned on. My htpc is always-on - same thing.

It's too bad because the set is not very responsive to the input commands from my Harmony.
post #1472 of 4023
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Originally Posted by kiteboy View Post

Yes, that's what it does. I find it of limited value since my SA8300 outputs video even in standby mode and therefore doesn't trigger the auto-source when turned on.

Oh I see.... never thought of that. I have the SA8300 as well.

What happens if this sequence of events occurs:

1- The SA8300 is on (in standby);
2- You turn on the TV;
3- You turn on your Xbox;
4- You turn off your Xbox.

Would it switch back to the port the SA8300 is on? If this is the case, then the SA8300 input (which will be HDMI in my case, I believe) will be a sort of "default source", which would be quite fine with me..!
post #1473 of 4023
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Originally Posted by robirt View Post

So whats the average wait to get one of these? Every place on the planet is out of stock... I'm new to Westinghouse gear btw so if it's discontinued or something please let me know.

thanks,
rob

Most everyone seems to be out of stock, but, a quick net search turned up an ebay seller (ShopSunshine 98.3% positive rating with 21666 reviews) who claims to have 8 available at a good price. After posting this here - I assume those units will disappear fast though.
post #1474 of 4023
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Originally Posted by robirt View Post

So whats the average wait to get one of these? Every place on the planet is out of stock... I'm new to Westinghouse gear btw so if it's discontinued or something please let me know.

thanks,
rob

I ordered mine from CF on July 15 - the day they ran out of stock - I got the unit yesterday (8/22). it was well worth the wait. this is an awesome monitor
post #1475 of 4023
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Originally Posted by jimmyv View Post

Have you downloaded the latest Catalyst drivers from the ATI site and gone into set-up and selected the HDTV set-up options? My video card is a three year old ATI 9600 and it allows setting up for 1920x1080 at either 30 or 60 hz with the current drivers.

I haven't. I don't yet have this TV (or any HDTV) yet, so that was a hypothetical question (as I WILL get one when they become available, despite my concerns elsewhere in the thread). But thanks for that suggestion.
post #1476 of 4023
If your looking in Canada,
Best Buy is the only place so far I know that sells the 47".
You can order it online or many stores have some in stock, at least they did last week around here.
post #1477 of 4023
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Originally Posted by JackLT View Post

If your looking in Canada,
Best Buy is the only place so far I know that sells the 47".
You can order it online or many stores have some in stock, at least they did last week around here.

BB sells the 47", since when? Do you have to special order it or something?
post #1478 of 4023
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Originally Posted by Yoda1 View Post

BB sells the 47", since when? Do you have to special order it or something?

Just check online the Canadian site, search for Westinghouse, its under PC Monitors over 20" for some reason, but in store they are with the HDTVs.
post #1479 of 4023
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Originally Posted by JackLT View Post

Just check online the Canadian site, search the site for Westinghouse, its under PC Monitors over 20" for some reason, but in store they are with the HDTVs.

The Canadian site has a "check store stock" thingie where you can pick up to three locations and they'll tell you if they have the set in stock.

I went to one of the Toronto stores a couple weeks ago and they had a floor model and "tons in stock" (according to the sales rep).

I'm planning on heading back there after work today and pickup my own set :]
post #1480 of 4023
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Originally Posted by alexcote View Post


I'm planning on heading back there after work today and pickup my own set :]

Enjoy!

BestBuy is now stocking them in store too, no waiting!

When I see a great looking new set on display and a unopened box for sale below its hard to walk away. This new policy of stocking sets in store could get expensive for me
post #1481 of 4023
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Originally Posted by Yoda1 View Post

Thanks, Sunil.

How is ghosting on this set? Have you noticed any while playing COD 2 or any other games?

I don't see any ghosting. I have also played GT4 on PS2 back to back between my CRT and the westy and didn't notice any ghosting.
post #1482 of 4023
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Originally Posted by JackLT View Post

If your looking in Canada,
Best Buy is the only place so far I know that sells the 47".
You can order it online or many stores have some in stock, at least they did last week around here.

I tried to order it from BestBuy Online and they did not sell it. So then I went to two Best Buy stores and neither stocked. They also said they had none on order.

I called Crutchfield and order one but, they could not give me a ship date either. So I am still looking for one. If anyone knows where one is, I would love to find one before football season starts.

Thanks,

Killer
post #1483 of 4023
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Originally Posted by KillerBox View Post

I tried to order it from BestBuy Online and they did not sell it. So then I went to two Best Buy stores and neither stocked. They also said they had none on order.

I called Crutchfield and order one but, they could not give me a ship date either. So I am still looking for one. If anyone knows where one is, I would love to find one before football season starts.

Thanks,

Killer

Try Pricegrabber.com
post #1484 of 4023
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Originally Posted by KillerBox View Post

I tried to order it from BestBuy Online and they did not sell it. So then I went to two Best Buy stores and neither stocked. They also said they had none on order.

I called Crutchfield and order one but, they could not give me a ship date either. So I am still looking for one. If anyone knows where one is, I would love to find one before football season starts.

Thanks,

Killer

I mentioned it was BestBuy in Canada, they seem to have them now, online and in store???
post #1485 of 4023
Hi everyone,
I just picked up a westinghouse LVM-w42 a few days ago, and like it so much I think want to return it and get a 47" one instead. In the 42" thread someone mentioned an in-home service warranty for the 47", where they would send someone in to update the firmware or do any necessary repairs, instead of shipping the set out to California. I was just wondering how I would purchase one of these? I read they are aftermarket, and can be purchased online, but didn't see any names of retailers or anything.

Also, does anyone here use their set as a computer monitor? I have the 42" going with my PC through the VGA input. I had tried to use the DVI input, but none of the resolutions would fit properly, 1920x1080 was cut off at the bottom of the screen.

Oh, and does anyone know if those sanus wallmounts (bb,future shop) rated for 80lbs really hold this massive set up?
post #1486 of 4023
Thanks for the lead but, the only person listed on PriceGrabber for this TV was Crutchfield. I already have one on order from them.
post #1487 of 4023
Hi there, I just moved to vancouver and I have the 47 inch westy.

I am having issues with TV here.

If I go with Shaw, it is 450 dollars for the HD box and I can't even rent it. Also, no channels are digital except the ones I pay for independantly. Lastly, there are only a few HD channels.

Back in the States, my cable included the HD box and was a lot less each month with all digital channles and 15 prime time hd channles plus I had On Demand with many channels so I could watch any TV Show or HBO/Showtime movie I wanted at any time. It seems On Demand here is only pay per view movies.

I can't have a dish because I live within an apt building. Does everyone here really pay this much to watch HD TV? Don't all of the analogue channels look horrible on the westy?

I am hoping there is an easier way, can anyone help me?

THANKS!

Taylor
post #1488 of 4023
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Originally Posted by alexcote View Post

Oh I see.... never thought of that. I have the SA8300 as well.

What happens if this sequence of events occurs:

1- The SA8300 is on (in standby);
2- You turn on the TV;
3- You turn on your Xbox;
4- You turn off your Xbox.

Would it switch back to the port the SA8300 is on? If this is the case, then the SA8300 input (which will be HDMI in my case, I believe) will be a sort of "default source", which would be quite fine with me..!

I'm assuming that at step 2, the tv is already on the SA8300 input...
At step 3, the tv switches to the xbox input. At step 4, it stays on the xbox input - it only switches when it detects a new video source powering up. Since the 8300's video output is always on, it never switches back to it.

btw, you should run the 8300 into one of the dvi inputs using a hdmi > dvi dongle to avoid the green clipping problem mentioned earlier. Since the tv has two dvi's and a vga, it's usually not a problem.
post #1489 of 4023
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Originally Posted by jhutz42 View Post

Hi everyone,
I just picked up a westinghouse LVM-w42 a few days ago, and like it so much I think want to return it and get a 47" one instead. In the 42" thread someone mentioned an in-home service warranty for the 47", where they would send someone in to update the firmware or do any necessary repairs, instead of shipping the set out to California. I was just wondering how I would purchase one of these? I read they are aftermarket, and can be purchased online, but didn't see any names of retailers or anything.

Also, does anyone here use their set as a computer monitor? I have the 42" going with my PC through the VGA input. I had tried to use the DVI input, but none of the resolutions would fit properly, 1920x1080 was cut off at the bottom of the screen.

Oh, and does anyone know if those sanus wallmounts (bb,future shop) rated for 80lbs really hold this massive set up?

I'm running 1920x1080 / 60Hz perfectly on the DVI input. I saw somebody bring their laptop into BB and do the same with the VGA port too. If you read the thread, 1:1 pixel mapping at 1920x1080 with all inputs is one of the primary features this set.

You can get the in-home extended warranty from BB, but negotiate the price. They are charging $700/4y which is ridiculous.

The set is 70lbs w/o stand, so I would choose a mount with more than a 10lb saftey margin. The mounts that Costco sells have much higher capacity I think.
post #1490 of 4023
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Originally Posted by JackLT View Post

HDMI showed clipping using the PC, I took a picture of the result, see below.

Each jump is 8L so it seems to show a max R and B of 240.
Green maxes out at just 192.

The Green clipping also results in 24 being clipped on grey taking it to 232.

So I guess the input was intended to be 16-235, I'd say the port is useable if you run out of DVI connections?



Looks like new Sony 1080p LCD's also does not use 0-255, but supports 16-235 via HDMI. The 1:1 pixel mapping is also a problem via HDMI, but works fine on VGA. I gues Westy is only 40"+ LCD that supports 1:1 pixel mapping via digital interconnect......... actually we get 2 capable dvi ports........

Well........ I just wanted to point this out...since many of us forget to appreciate the value owning a westy. It's not perfect, but we're getting alot for what we paid. As much as we need to point the defects, we need to praise it for having the best connectivity options......
post #1491 of 4023
greerje, what is the firmware version for your new set? I'm hoping that the wait was to upgrade the firmware to fix some of these issues... =)
post #1492 of 4023
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Originally Posted by ZachAJ View Post

greerje, what is the firmware version for your new set? I'm hoping that the wait was to upgrade the firmware to fix some of these issues... =)

Version 1.04
Date 05/22/2006

I think the wait was on the boat, not firmware upgrades. As I have previously said, I cant find anything wrong with this TV. Given the tools, the time and inclination, one could find flaws with anything. I doubt many people can really see "green crush" without the aid of diagnostics. ignorance is bliss...I love this monitor
post #1493 of 4023
Allrighty, I got my LVM-47w1 from Best Buy last night. Here are a few preliminary comments. Disclaimer though -- I'm not a HDTV guru, and this is my first LCD TV. I do have a Dell 24" widescreen PC LCD monitor, but I've only had it for a few months.


The box. The box is fricking HUGE. Wouldn't fit in my friend's car. We had to take the set out of its box (to the suggestion of the swarm of Best Buy reps having cigarette breaks outside the store) and find a way to cradle it in the car. The trip was very smooth and the set was insulated from all shocks and vibrations, but juggling a 3,000$, 80-pounder TV around isn't exactly what I'd call fun.


DVI, computer use and dead pixels. First thing I did when I got home was to hook the set up to my PC through DVI. It's big. It's very big. I couldn't see myself using this for everyday computer use, or for gaming. It's just way too big, and the dot pitch of each pixel isn't geared towards computer use where you sit a couple feet away from the screen. I knew that already, I'm just pointing it out to answer someone's question earlier on the thread. I'll also say that it does 1920x1080@60Hz very well. No problems there. It actually feels better than my Dell 2405FPW, which is rated at 8ms, I believe.

Now here's my problem. I found three dead pixels, and one stuck pixel. And those pixels are huge. Not like tiny little things that you can't really see -- those things are as big as a flake of ground black pepper. You see them.

There is one pixel whose red component is always off, one whose green is always off, and one whose blue is always off. So when I display a fullscreen solid color (red, green or blue), I see black dots where those pixels are. And I'm talking about there different pixels in different locations. I guess I lucked out -- I have a whole RGB set of broken pixels -_-

There's also one pixel that seems a bit smaller (not sure why) that always seem to be "on". When I display a black screen (or when the TV is booting up or changing input) it shows up as a tiny greenish dot. Not a square pixel-looking one like my RGB ones; this one's more like a little pinprick of light.

I could live with the small "stuck" one, even with it being where it is (right in the middle of the screen), but the three "dead" ones are highly annoying. I emailed Westinghouse support this morning, explaining the situation, and asking if this was something to be expected of a new LVM-47w1 set, or if I should exchange this set at Best Buy. They replied right away saying I should most definitely return and exchange it.

So I'll play with it in the next couple days, but I'm quite definitely returning it to get a new one. And I'm hoping the next one won't have pixel problems.


Auto Source. As Kiteboy mentionned, it only switches to newly-detected sources. I was hoping that on top of that, it would detect when the current source goes off, and switch to the previously active source. It doesn't. So since the 8300HD is always sending a signal, you always have to fidget with the source buttons. Which is surprisingly slow by the way... cycling from one source to another takes some time. Still, I find Auto Source relatively useful.


Picture quality. Very impressive. Again I'm not a professional, so this is just my personal opinion. I found that increasing brighness and saturation by a little bit, and turning the backlight way down, helped bring out the colors more, and helped preventing me from getting a tan while watching TV. HD looks absolutely fantastic. 720P feeds look kind of blurry; 1080i feeds look amazingly crisp. I was comparing it to my friend's TV -- he bought a Samsung DLP that does 720P natively -- and his 720P channels seem to look better than on my Westy. I'm guessing it's because the Westy needs to stretch it to 1080. However, 1080i feeds seem to look more detailed on my set than his -- I'm guessing his Samsung shrinks it down to 720...? I'm very confused with the whole HD thing.


Non-HD gaming. I fired up Burnout Revenge on the (old) Xbox. Not impressed. Colors look vibrant and all, but you can really tell how low-res the game is on such a big screen. That game looked high-def on my old 30" widescreen CRT, and looks very outdated on that giant screen. I was somewhat expecting this -- I'm planning on getting a PS3, and possibly a 360 if they ever make one that isn't WHITE -- but I was secretly hoping my Xbox / GameCube / PS2 games wouldn't look that blurry.


This is it for now -- I only played with the set for 2-3 hours so far, I just figured I'd post my first thoughts here, hoping it will help someone. I'm disappointed at the whole pixel thing; returning it will be a hassle that I'm definitely not looking forward to. I didn't buy the rididulous 700$ extended waranty from Best Buy but I do intend to make full use of this 30-day return policy.

By the way, is it normal for a set to have so many pixel issues?
post #1494 of 4023
[quote=alexcote]Allrighty, I got my LVM-47w1 from Best Buy last night.


Which Best Buy did you get it from?

I'm on the east coast and they don't show it on their website.
post #1495 of 4023
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Originally Posted by alexcote View Post

It's big. It's very big. I couldn't see myself using this for everyday computer use, or for gaming. It's just way too big, and the dot pitch of each pixel isn't geared towards computer use where you sit a couple feet away from the screen

I'm trying to convince myself that the 47" Westy will work for my needs. I want something big to sit on my desk and use for pc use and gaming. I'd be about 3 or 4 feet away.
post #1496 of 4023
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Originally Posted by Cilent1 View Post

I'm trying to convince myself that the 47" Westy will work for my needs. I want something big to sit on my desk and use for pc use and gaming. I'd be about 3 or 4 feet away.

I'd have to say definitely not a good idea. I guess it depents a lot on your preferences, your computer desk, and whatnot. But even though the idea sounds very cool -- I was excited about getting my Westy hooked to the computer to try it out -- I found it very impractical.

And I was very much looking forward to raiding in Molten Core on Friday on a 47" screen

I'd suggest you get yourself a 24" widescreen monitor -- the Dell one I got is incredible. You can push it back on your desk when you're browsing the internets, and you can pull it towards you and adjust its height when you're gaming. I actually play games on my 24" and bring it very close to me, and the screen basically dominates my field of vision. That might be more something you'd want to consider. It's cheaper too!
post #1497 of 4023
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Originally Posted by petmic10 View Post

Which Best Buy did you get it from?

I'm on the east coast and they don't show it on their website.

I believe people who say they got the set from Best Buy are in Canada.
post #1498 of 4023
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Originally Posted by aindik View Post

I believe people who say they got the set from Best Buy are in Canada.

Thanks.

So nothing available in the U.S. yet?
post #1499 of 4023
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Originally Posted by alexcote View Post

I'd have to say definitely not a good idea. I guess it depents a lot on your preferences, your computer desk, and whatnot. But even though the idea sounds very cool -- I was excited about getting my Westy hooked to the computer to try it out -- I found it very impractical.

And I was very much looking forward to raiding in Molten Core on Friday on a 47" screen

I'd suggest you get yourself a 24" widescreen monitor -- the Dell one I got is incredible. You can push it back on your desk when you're browsing the internets, and you can pull it towards you and adjust its height when you're gaming. I actually play games on my 24" and bring it very close to me, and the screen basically dominates my field of vision. That might be more something you'd want to consider. It's cheaper too!

I use the westy with my laptop on a daily basis for both work and gaming, but I sit about 5 feet away and it works great for me. Pity, I quit WoW before I got the westy, 2 foot tall Ragnaros would have been an impressive sight.
post #1500 of 4023
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Originally Posted by alexcote View Post


DVI, computer use and dead pixels.


Well, if you want to fiddle around, you may or may not be able to fix stuck pixels. You can try rubbing with tip of your figer or a tip of rubber eraser on pencil. I've had good luck with fixing stuck pixels on LCD monitor and also on 42" Westy. However, there are cases where rubbing would not work and you just have to live with it. On my set, I do have one stuck red pixel by lower center by the trim, which won't go away even after rubbing. However, it's not visible due to it's location and it's only visible from close distance on white & green background.
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