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post #211 of 4023
7/3/06 at 11:03am
my guess is that this model will be exactly as the 42" but with the new firmware 1.19. and it being 47"
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post #212 of 4023
7/3/06 at 11:14am
I live in the Minneapolis / St. Paul area, and to view one of the 42" versions of the Westinghouse line, I had to travel to a particular store, (Burnsville), to be able to see it on display. None of the other BB's in my part of the cities were displaying the larger of the two then available models.
My guess is they will probably do something similar with the 47" model.
I had to ask a couple of sales people in the Apple Valley store before I found one who knew where I could see a 42" model on display.
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post #213 of 4023
7/3/06 at 12:08pm
I would call and find out. If not. Cancel ASAP
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post #214 of 4023
7/3/06 at 12:36pm
So J&R doesn't have 30 day return policy? Given the history of the quality issues with 42" I don't want to risk getting this TV without one.
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post #215 of 4023
7/3/06 at 1:38pm
Please stop the price matching/who has best deals discussion.

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thanks
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post #216 of 4023
7/3/06 at 1:57pm
I think I know the answer to this, but let me ask it anyway:

Right now I'm modulating an SD signal through a whole house video distribution system over RF cable. That is to say I've got 3 DirecTivos in my A/V rack in the basement that are each being sent out on a different "channel" and controlled by IR repeaters back to the rack.

with any of the westi displays since they don't have a tuner I'd have to have a VCR or something to tune that sort of signal into it. Now I understand the picture will be relatively poor, but I've lived with it so far on my 32" sony tube. However, my main concern is that there isn't any way to do any stretching with this set.

Eventually I plan Series 3 HD Tivo units, but for now I'm stuck with the tivo system as we have different Tivos recording different shows for the kids vs. us.

I guess in my case i need a set with more processsing. Problem is I can't find hardly anything out that is 40+" and 1080p ;(
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post #217 of 4023
7/4/06 at 9:25am
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Originally Posted by Woodrow View Post

Please stop the price matching/who has best deals discussion.

Apologies for contributing to that. However, my point was that I was very surprised to see significant discounting on the LVM47 before it even hit the street.

Now I'm reading that there's a 46-inch 1080p Samsung on the way, and that could be part of the explanation.

I'm used to seeing companies soak early adopters (think PS3) so I'm still thinking that this is a bad sign, but trying to stay positive.
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post #218 of 4023
7/4/06 at 9:36am
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Originally Posted by PAP View Post

However, my main concern is that there isn't any way to do any stretching with this set.

The LVM42 has two selectable modes ("fill screen" and "preserve aspect ratio") and I would assume that the LVM47 does too.
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post #219 of 4023
7/4/06 at 9:37am
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Originally Posted by ExxonTsun View Post

Apologies for contributing to that. However, my point was that I was very surprised to see significant discounting on the LVM47 before it even hit the street.

Now I'm reading that there's a 46-inch 1080p Samsung on the way, and that could be part of the explanation.

I'm used to seeing companies soak early adopters (think PS3) so I'm still thinking that this is a bad sign, but trying to stay positive.

Nah, Westinghouse has always positioned itself as being more affordable than the rest of the competition - i doubt it has anything to do with the actual quality of the set.
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post #220 of 4023
7/4/06 at 11:20am
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1) with any of the westi displays since they don't have a tuner I'd have to have a VCR or something to tune that sort of signal into it. Now I understand the picture will be relatively poor...

2)Problem is I can't find hardly anything out that is 40+" and 1080p ;(

1) I'm only watching OTA (no cable) and all the local stations are broadcasting DTV versions of their full schedule, while it won't fill the screen, it looks distinctly better than the analog broadcast. Am using a Sony HHD-250 HD-DVR and am very happy with it and it provides plenty of picture format control.

2) In September you'll have 6 more choices - Sony will be offering native 1920x1080 LCD's in 40" and 46" in three models each - XBR3, XBR2, & V2500 (all include tuners). While Sony Style doesn't list prices for these yet, we may be pleasantly surprised as the SXRD crowd seems to be with Sony's list on the 2006 models of these RP units. - I'm sure other manufacturers (like Samsung who's already been mentioned) will have 40"+ 1080p units available soon too.
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post #221 of 4023
7/4/06 at 1:27pm
It says on the company web site (which I confirmed today by calling customer service) that the 47" (not the 42") one year parts/labor warranty includes free in home service calls. They also told me the set is just now becoming available. Seeing an in-store demo may be a real problem. With the 42", I could only find one Best Buy outlet in the Los Angeles area that had it in stock, and they told me there was no demo model on the floor. So I'm looking forward to reax from early purchasers, with great interest. Hoping to buy the 47" in a few months.
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post #222 of 4023
7/4/06 at 2:59pm
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It says on the company web site (which I confirmed today by calling customer service) that the 47" (not the 42") one year parts/labor warranty includes free in home service calls. They also told me the set is just now becoming available. Seeing an in-store demo may be a real problem. With the 42", I could only find one Best Buy outlet in the Los Angeles area that had it in stock, and they told me there was no demo model on the floor. So I'm looking forward to reax from early purchasers, with great interest. Hoping to buy the 47" in a few months.

Yep! This is great news!!!

From http://westinghousedigital.com/t-War...s_46above.aspx

Westinghouse 1080p Monitor with diagonal screen sizes of 46 inches or greater are eligible for domestic in-home diagnostic and warranty services. In-home service requires clear and easy access to the Product and does not include removal or re-installation of an installed product. Some repairs may require the Product, or parts of the Product, to be removed from the home for repair or replacement and then returned. Please call Westinghouse Digital Electronics at (866) 287-5555 for the locations of the nearest Westinghouse Digital Electronics service center or to obtain in-home services.
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post #223 of 4023
7/4/06 at 3:13pm
I think I'm buying this thing.
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post #224 of 4023
7/4/06 at 9:21pm
me too, i just want to see it in a store first.
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post #225 of 4023
7/4/06 at 10:52pm
Great find on the news on in-home service. It's even harder to resist from bringing one home, since the new service policy on the 47" model will ensure hassle free warrantee period. I just need to see this baby in person on the demo floor. If the PQ is as good as the 42" model, I'm in.
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post #226 of 4023
7/5/06 at 1:23am
Is it safe to assume no HDMI 1.3 on this badboy?
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post #227 of 4023
7/5/06 at 4:25am
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Originally Posted by blitz6speed View Post

Is it safe to assume no HDMI 1.3 on this badboy?

Yes.
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post #228 of 4023
7/5/06 at 5:35am
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From http://westinghousedigital.com/t-War...s_46above.aspx

"EXCLUSIONS TO WARRANTY Damage to the Product resulting from acts of God, accident, misuse, abuse, negligence, commercial use (not consumer or personal use), alteration, or unauthorized repair of the Product is not covered by this warranty."

What about us, stinking atheists, that just catch a bad break? We're long overdue for a flood or an Earthquake here in NYC! Plus what if God does exist and he/she/it sees fit to strike down all HDTV sets not to his/her/its liking? I mean, come on! Everybody knows God likes Sony!

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post #229 of 4023
7/5/06 at 6:04am
I'm all in. I bought it sight unseen based on my experience with the 37W1. Expected delivery in one week.
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post #230 of 4023
7/5/06 at 6:54am
anyone get this yet... if so... how dpes it look .. pro's and cons please?
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post #231 of 4023
7/5/06 at 7:27am
My squadron is still planning on getting three of these, but for personal purchase, I think I might be tempted away to the new Sammy 46. \\

I was told by one of my co-workers today that one of the BBs here in the DC area (lexington park) has both the Westy 47 and the Sammy 46 on display. I'm tempted to go check them out but I won't have time until the weekend =/
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post #232 of 4023
7/5/06 at 9:32am
I just picked up mine from the local shipper and it is up and running. I've been a lurker here for a long time, but now that I have something to contribute I thought I'd register. Anyway, I have a long list of things to check and I will post my findings here as I complete my tests. So far, I've tested VGA at 1080P from my laptop w/ the MS HD Test material and it worked fine and looked nice. I've also tested HD-DVD via HDMI at 1080i which also looks fine. After calibration and some more testing (PC 1080P via DVI, XBOX 360 at 720P and 1080i as well as several others) I'll post more results.
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post #233 of 4023
7/5/06 at 9:36am
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My squadron is still planning on getting three of these, but for personal purchase, I think I might be tempted away to the new Sammy 46. \\

I was told by one of my co-workers today that one of the BBs here in the DC area (lexington park) has both the Westy 47 and the Sammy 46 on display. I'm tempted to go check them out but I won't have time until the weekend =/

I doubt any BB retails having the 47" model. It's probably the 42" however should perform similarly to 47" when calibrated properly. Only one advice I can give you is not to judge on the PQ based on what you see on the demo models, especially at local BB. Having properly calibrated display, especially from accessing the SM will make this display look equal or better than anything out there for fraction of the cost of it's competitors. Not to mention accessing true 1080p input and output which is still rare in the current LCD's or Plasmas on the market.

Anyway, for those lucky few to have this display delivered shortly, can you please check to see if SM is accessible via " Vol-" + "input" + "power" on the side panel of the display?.... BTW, the input source has to be in use before you perform the SM entry.

TIA
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post #234 of 4023
7/5/06 at 10:35am
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I just picked up mine from the local shipper and it is up and running. I've been a lurker here for a long time, but now that I have something to contribute I thought I'd register. Anyway, I have a long list of things to check and I will post my findings here as I complete my tests. So far, I've tested VGA at 1080P from my laptop w/ the MS HD Test material and it worked fine and looked nice. I've also tested HD-DVD via HDMI at 1080i which also looks fine. After calibration and some more testing (PC 1080P via DVI, XBOX 360 at 720P and 1080i as well as several others) I'll post more results.

You are the first on here to have one!!!

Do you see any ghosting at 1080i? Do you see any verticle banding?

You don't seem to be gushing over its picture quality ("looks fine"). How does it look compared to other displays?
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post #235 of 4023
7/5/06 at 10:43am
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You are the first on here to have one!!!

Do you see any ghosting at 1080i? Do you see any verticle banding?

You don't seem to be gushing over its picture quality ("looks fine"). How does it look compared to other displays?

I'm hoping by 'fine' he means that, technically, all components of the set are functioning without problems.

Btw, your new membership would be even better served with some PICS!
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post #236 of 4023
7/5/06 at 11:06am
I'm sure someone else already has one, just not here on the forum...

No banding that I can see w/HD-DVD or 360. I'm comparing it to a 50" HP Plasma and after tweaking a few things it's about the same at 720P and 1080i. I'm not sure what ghosting looks like on an LCD. On the plasma there is ghosting in dark scenes when the background is black and something lighter moves slowly but I haven't seen anything like that with the LCD yet. I would say that the LCD doesn't appear to have the ghosting that the plasma does, but it doesn't look as good in as wide a viewing angle. The black level looks nice, but as you move off to the sides or up and down the picture is "less dark" but still lokks nice. Of course I think this is already established info about Plasma and LCD, but seeing it in a controlled environment is different than in the showroom.

As for gushing I have to be sure that I've tweaked everything to my liking before I make any judgment. The 1080P stuff that I have access to is limited to movie trailers and MS HD Test Material. SO FAR, it looks about the same as 1080i, but that's over VGA. I have to test DVI and HDMI (if I can get an adapter) next.

I'll continue to report more as soon as I do some more testing.
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post #237 of 4023
7/5/06 at 11:24am
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Originally Posted by frlias View Post

I'm sure someone else already has one, just not here on the forum...

No banding that I can see w/HD-DVD or 360. I'm comparing it to a 50" HP Plasma and after tweaking a few things it's about the same at 720P and 1080i. I'm not sure what ghosting looks like on an LCD. On the plasma there is ghosting in dark scenes when the background is black and something lighter moves slowly but I haven't seen anything like that with the LCD yet. I would say that the LCD doesn't appear to have the ghosting that the plasma does, but it doesn't look as good in as wide a viewing angle. The black level looks nice, but as you move off to the sides or up and down the picture is "less dark" but still lokks nice. Of course I think this is already established info about Plasma and LCD, but seeing it in a controlled environment is different than in the showroom.

As for gushing I have to be sure that I've tweaked everything to my liking before I make any judgment. The 1080P stuff that I have access to is limited to movie trailers and MS HD Test Material. SO FAR, it looks about the same as 1080i, but that's over VGA. I have to test DVI and HDMI (if I can get an adapter) next.

I'll continue to report more as soon as I do some more testing.

Awesome news, I decided to return my 37w3 while I still can for the 47w1. While I realize it's a steep increase in price having 1080i content playback correctly is a plus. The extra 10 inches doesn't hurt either.
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post #238 of 4023
7/5/06 at 12:02pm
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I'm hoping by 'fine' he means that, technically, all components of the set are functioning without problems.

Btw, your new membership would be even better served with some PICS!

Yes, I should have said everything is working fine. I just finished testing SD DVD upconverted to 1080i which looks nice. I think I prefer it to the plasma, but that is probably the TVs I'm looking at as well as my own tastes. Regular TV (from an old DirecTV receiver looks about as good as possible and is about the same as the plasma, but as long as it doesn't look terrible I'm happy there. Also for those that are worried about lag time for gaming I played a few games including PGR3 with a lot of fast motion and I didn't notice any problems. It seemed the exact same as a regular CRT and a plasma. I haven't used it to play PC games (yet) but I really doubt that performance in online FPS games etc. will be affected by using this monitor. I guess some people will have to find something else to blame their losses on. Hacks, cheats, campers and netwok traffic are still valid excuses... All kidding aside, I'll try PC performance at a few different resolutions and see what I come up with.

Another thing that looks better than plasma (so far) are poeple's faces. WIth the plasma I've seen many examples of the sides of faces looking like the texture was missing and I haven't seen that yet on the LCD. I have a LOT more testing to do, but I will make sure to report my findings here and compare notes with other forum members as they appear. I will try to acquire a digital camera for some pics today or tomorrow too. Still no banding in any source, but I don't have a solid grey pattern to check.

Feel free to list things to check and I'll add them to my list if they aren't already on it.

Also, DVI testing may be more difficult than I anticipated. My DVI cable for PC is not the same as the DVI input on the TV (it has extra prongs) so I'll have to figure this out. If anyone knows if DVI for PC is different than DVI with stereo components feel free to save me some time. Thanks.
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post #239 of 4023
7/5/06 at 12:30pm
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Yes, I should have said everything is working fine. I just finished testing SD DVD upconverted to 1080i which looks nice. I think I prefer it to the plasma, but that is probably the TVs I'm looking at as well as my own tastes. Regular TV (from an old DirecTV receiver looks about as good as possible and is about the same as the plasma, but as long as it doesn't look terrible I'm happy there. Also for those that are worried about lag time for gaming I played a few games including PGR3 with a lot of fast motion and I didn't notice any problems. It seemed the exact same as a regular CRT and a plasma. I haven't used it to play PC games (yet) but I really doubt that performance in online FPS games etc. will be affected by using this monitor. I guess some people will have to find something else to blame their losses on. Hacks, cheats, campers and netwok traffic are still valid excuses... All kidding aside, I'll try PC performance at a few different resolutions and see what I come up with.

Another thing that looks better than plasma (so far) are poeple's faces. WIth the plasma I've seen many examples of the sides of faces looking like the texture was missing and I haven't seen that yet on the LCD. I have a LOT more testing to do, but I will make sure to report my findings here and compare notes with other forum members as they appear. I will try to acquire a digital camera for some pics today or tomorrow too. Still no banding in any source, but I don't have a solid grey pattern to check.

Feel free to list things to check and I'll add them to my list if they aren't already on it.

Also, DVI testing may be more difficult than I anticipated. My DVI cable for PC is not the same as the DVI input on the TV (it has extra prongs) so I'll have to figure this out. If anyone knows if DVI for PC is different than DVI with stereo components feel free to save me some time. Thanks.

Thanks for the updates.... Have you tried to see if the SM access code also works on the 47" model? It should work, according to PeterS, but I would like a confirmation.

TIA
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post #240 of 4023
7/5/06 at 12:49pm
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I'm sure someone else already has one, just not here on the forum...

No banding that I can see w/HD-DVD or 360.


have you tried a medium grey background test? how about bright blue skies?
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