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post #241 of 4028
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Originally Posted by bpmurr View Post

I decided to return my 37w3 while I still can for the 47w1. While I realize it's a steep increase in price having 1080i content playback correctly is a plus. The extra 10 inches doesn't hurt either.

We are talking about LCD panel size, right? RIGHT??!!
post #242 of 4028
Mine came this morning, been busy doing a bunch of tests, details hopefully by the late news.
post #243 of 4028
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Originally Posted by thoth View Post

Mine came this morning, been busy doing a bunch of tests, details hopefully by the late news.



COOL... please let us know asap.
post #244 of 4028
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Originally Posted by dad1153 View Post

We are talking about LCD panel size, right? RIGHT??!!

Of course, got to keep things above board around here.
post #245 of 4028
Any problems with the remote control on the LVM47?

My friend has an LVM42 and the remote has about a 50% success rate...
post #246 of 4028
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Originally Posted by thoth View Post

Mine came this morning, been busy doing a bunch of tests, details hopefully by the late news.

Film (i.e. pictures) at 11?
post #247 of 4028
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Originally Posted by bosng View Post

have you tried a medium grey background test? how about bright blue skies?

I had to go in to work for a few hours, but I'll check much more when I get home in a few hours. So far greys and skies look ok on the DVDs I tested, but it sounds like you have a more specific test in mind. If you have a particular test to run, let me know where to download the material or what it entails and I'll be happy to do it.

Regarding the Remote:
The remote works very well and I like the menus. They are very responsive and easy to use. In fact it seems to remember where you left off the last time you entered a menu. As far as the remote itself goes, it's ok. I would have liked a few more buttons, but I think it covers the basics...

My first impressions after a few hours were that the picture was very nice on HD-DVD (@1080i), via PC (@ 1080p) and upconverted DVD (@1080i) and that it really reveals the limitations of the source material. If the source material looks good the TV looks great, but the flaws stand out more too. I don't think we'll have to worry about that as much once HD-DVD and Blu-Ray stuff (as well as 360 and PS3) get going at full speed.
post #248 of 4028
I just pulled the trigger also. And FYI those who ordered through Crutchfield might want to give them a quick call and see if they offer any kind of price protection...
post #249 of 4028
Regarding the remote control -- do they still make the mistake of not having discrete buttons for each input? Eg. does it have a single "dvi" button to toggle through the 2 dvi inputs and the hdmi?
post #250 of 4028
Yes, we are finally getting some early reviews! I know people have asked but pictures of HD, SD, and XBOX 360 would be very much appreciated by me and others I'm sure. I'm a Pannny 42PX60U owner but I am struck by upgrade-itis and it's now down to the Sammy 1080P and this.
post #251 of 4028
I'm pretty sure I'm keeping this unit, but there are some quirks.

Date shown in the menu: 5/22/2006. Firmware version: 1.04

System info menu item: nice that it displays 1080i/1080p rather than 1920x540/1920x1080.

Banding: I can see some very minimal banding on light blue/gray screens if I look closely, but it's better than my early-generation 37w1 (which had minimal banding).

Backlight bleed: One very minor spot at the bottom near center, not much bleed at all, much better than my 37w1.

Bad pixels: I have two, one near center and one upper right. (I had none on my 37w1.)

Blue sticker on the front: comes off easily (much better than my 37w1!).

Too bad the Zoom mode (for 4:3 letterbox content) from the 37w1 got dropped, would be nice to still have.

Approximate color temps out of the box, measured with a Spyder2: Warm: ~6031K, Neutral: ~8034K, Cool: ~9686K

Service mode works, first pass at 6500K calibration with a Spyder2: R=243, G=243, B=255. Overall, picture seems better than my 37w1 (read: very happy).

I'm running a Motorola 6412 DVR, Sony DHG-HDDD500 DVR, and Panasonic S97 DVD player into a Gefen switch (which has DVI out) and then into the Westy. I'm pretty confident the Westy is sometimes getting confused about sync when switching inputs at the Gefen. (I saw this on DVI1 on my 37w1, but not on DVI2.) I'd have to rip a bunch of stuff apart to try running the DVRs directly into the Westy, I'll have to do that in about 2 weeks anyway, not sure if I'll try it sooner.)

DVI1 input displaying from DVRs via Gefen switch: no VBI data visible at top on SD channels. VBI data visible at top when viewing non-HD content on HD channels.

DVI1 input displaying from PC: no overscan at 1080p60.

DVI2 input displaying from DVRs via Gefen switch: vertical area of garbage on far right side of screen on HD channels (disappears in Fill mode). Also one horizontal line of garbage at the bottom of the screen on a few HD channels (disappears in Fill mode). No VBI data visible on SD channels. VBI data visible at top when viewing non-HD content on HD channels.

DVI2 input displaying from PC: a bit of overscan at top and right at 1080p60, haven't tried tweaking to see if I can eliminate it.

HDMI input displaying from DVRs and DVD player via Gefen switch (DVI->HDMI cable): constant screen flashing at 480p and 720p, works fine at 1080i.

HDMI input displaying from DVD player (direct, HDMI->HDMI): works fine at 480p, 720p and 1080i.

HDMI input displaying from PC (DVI->HDMI cable): PC resolutions work. A bit of overscan at top and right. Very odd: moving white & black bars are not visible in Avia test patterns, and brightness and contrast controls can't fix it.

Component 2 input displaying from PS2 at 480i: overscan on all four sides. I often lost sync on my 37w1, but saw none of that here in initial tests.

AV input displaying from Yamaha YSP-1: works fine.
post #252 of 4028
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Originally Posted by falser View Post

Regarding the remote control -- do they still make the mistake of not having discrete buttons for each input? Eg. does it have a single "dvi" button to toggle through the 2 dvi inputs and the hdmi?

The remote is identical to the 37w1's. The DVI button does indeed cycle as you say.
post #253 of 4028
I just ordered mine, for a very good deal IMO. I can't wait to receive this unit and I'll give you all my opinion. A little background info: I am switching from a 46" Mitsu 1080i CRT rptv which I have LOVED. It only has component input, no dvi or hdmi so it's time to upgrade. Also, I am about to get married and we will be moving into an apartment so size would have been an issue.

One thing I will not be doing is examining for dead pixels... if I happen to notice any, I will let you know after I finish pulling my hair out. However, I believe ignorance is bliss when it comes to dead pixels on a 47" display!
post #254 of 4028
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Originally Posted by tfenne View Post

I just pulled the trigger also. And FYI those who ordered through Crutchfield might want to give them a quick call and see if they offer any kind of price protection...

They DO and THANK YOU VERY MUCH!!!

Also,
I will see if I can get some pics up in a couple hours. I need to swing by and pick up a friend's camera so if he is home (and nobody beats me to it) I'll post whatever people want.
post #255 of 4028
Guys will bb or cc , costco carry it , or where can I buy it, not in the net., I want to get an extended warranty, please let me know.
post #256 of 4028
I just pulled the trigger, as well. 4-6 working days before it arrives. Time to buy a Vesa mount. Any suggestions on the best flush mount out there? (read: easiest to install). This is my first HDTV or flat panel. Very excited.
post #257 of 4028
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Originally Posted by tfenne View Post

I just pulled the trigger also. And FYI those who ordered through Crutchfield might want to give them a quick call and see if they offer any kind of price protection...


Thanks for the heads up.
post #258 of 4028
Thanks for the details thoth. That sucks about the remote. Between the buttons and the overscan issues on DVI2 it's probably worthwhile to get a dvi switch box to solve both issues. And with the price of this unit, it would still be cheaper than anything else on the market.
post #259 of 4028
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Originally Posted by isucamper View Post

Do you see any ghosting at 1080i?

(I definitely saw ghosting on my 37w1.) I haven't really watched enough content yet to be sure, but so far it looks good. The roller coast test scene on the HQV disk shows markedly reduced ghosting compared with my 37w1.
post #260 of 4028
[quote=frlias]

Also the DVI issue that I mentioned earlier has been resolved since I found another DVI cable that appears to be the correct type so I will test both a Laptop and Desktop at several resolutions incliding 1080P with DVI and with a DVI to HDMI adapter.

QUOTE]

Since you have a DVI to HDMI cable could you hook up the TV to you computer through HDMI to see if it works with 1080p. I have read that the Samsung Blu Ray player will not connect at 1080p......anyway I think it is the player and not the TV.

Thanks!

James:
post #261 of 4028
please take some shots with the 360 as well as 1080i sources. would be really awesome if you guys could also take some SD shots or give full impressions/ reviews.

thanks
post #262 of 4028
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Originally Posted by frlias View Post


Also the DVI issue that I mentioned earlier has been resolved since I found another DVI cable that appears to be the correct type

So what is the correct type DVI cable? dual link?

Thanks
post #263 of 4028
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Originally Posted by Sunil View Post

So what is the correct type DVI cable? dual link?

No, single link is perfectly fine.
post #264 of 4028
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Originally Posted by Shinraven View Post

would be really awesome if you guys could also take some SD shots or give full impressions/ reviews.

Pictures would assume I have competence with a camera. My 37w1 has left the building, so I can't do a direct compare, but if anything SD looks a bit better than it did on my 37w1. Could there be a newer/better Genesis chip inside the 47w1?
post #265 of 4028
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Originally Posted by thoth View Post

Pictures would assume I have competence with a camera. My 37w1 has left the building, so I can't do a direct compare, but if anything SD looks a bit better than it did on my 37w1. Could there be a newer/better Genesis chip inside the 47w1?

Pics Please... just set your your camera on a coffee table for stability, it'll be fine...I'm dying for pics!
post #266 of 4028
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Originally Posted by llep64 View Post

Guys will bb or cc , costco carry it , or where can I buy it, not in the net.,

Nothing official, but here are the results of my recent inquiries in South Florida.

CC here does not carry any Westinghouse products.

BB in Orlando had the LVM47 in their warehouse database with zero showing in stock. BB in Boca Raton did not have the LVM47 in their warehouse database at all. Nothing on their website yet.

BrandsMart has the LVM42 but knew nothing of the LVM47 at this time.

Looks like there's gonna be a wait for people like us that don't want to order something like this on the net :-(
post #267 of 4028
^^^^Everyone has there own reason for this stance and I am just curious as to why you will not order on the net?
post #268 of 4028
Pics please.... dying for pics !!!!
post #269 of 4028
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Originally Posted by Cleveland Plasma View Post

Everyone has there own reason for this stance and I am just curious as to why you will not order on the net?

I'm just too paranoid. I want the ability to quickly return or exchange the unit without any hassle if it turns out not to meet my needs (e.g. lots of dead pixels or some other manufacturing defect). Shipping a 100+ pound unit back to a dealer and then waiting for a long turnaround time (with the possibility of no better results the second time) sounds like a complete nightmare to me. I realize that most people have no issues at all, but Old Murphy seems to like to pester me these days.

I'm actually thinking that I'll wait for BB to stock it, and then make them open up and plug in the unit and inspect it for dead pixels before I take it home. I plan to use this primarily as a computer monitor, and I *will* notice dead pixels, and that's not acceptable on a brand new unit for me (I will cope with it if pixels die several years down the road, though I won't be happy then either).
post #270 of 4028
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Originally Posted by James63 View Post

Since you have a DVI to HDMI cable could you hook up the TV to you computer through HDMI to see if it works with 1080p. I have read that the Samsung Blu Ray player will not connect at 1080p......anyway I think it is the player and not the TV.

Thanks!

James:

I've run into some problems here. I can't get either DVI or HDMI to accept 1080p from my PC. VGA however will do 1080p just fine. This may or may not be my video card, but I have no way to verify 1080p over HDMI or even DVI.

Also, I have run into problems with DVI and HD-DVD and upconverted DVD. That is, I was using an HDMI to DVI adapter in order to use one of the DVI ports as a HDMI port. Unfortunately both the Toshiba HD-DVD (HD-A1) and Sony DVD (DVP-NC85H) do not communicate with the DVI ports, but work fine with the HDMI port. These DVD players are trying to connect at 1080i which makes the problem worse.

I'll still try to test and compare some other things as time permits though.
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