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post #3091 of 4023
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Originally Posted by jgofett View Post

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Does each input save its own PQ settings?Does anyone have some VGA settings they are using for their 360's and HD add ons?

If its sunny out and the light is coming through my windows the darks wash out a little on my screen any screen settings to offset that?Or should I just invest in some thick curtains

How do I check which firmware version I have?If there is a firmware update how do I update the monitor,do I have to have a tech come out to do it?

Whats in the service menu,Anything worht trying to make the PQ even better?

I'll try to answer a few questions...

The inputs have independent memory.

With the monitor on, hit the Menu button on the remote to bring up the On Screen Display. Move to the fifth position (furthest to the right) called General Settings. Move down to System Info to find the firmware version number.

I am not aware of any way for consumers to update the firmware nor do I know of any info on what features are in the various versions.

You might search the thread for info on the service menu.

Dana
post #3092 of 4023
I just picked up the 47" Westy and I love it. Thanks to this thread I avoided the PS3 issues and used a hdmi2dvi cable. I am using the D* HR20 over hmdi and watching some of my pre-recorded material like CSI is stunning in 1080i but I must say that viewing 1080p material on the PS3 has been mind blowing. I will easily put this LCD up against anything Sony or Samsung currently has for HD sets and at half the price.

I'll probably purchase a VGA cable and test out the Xbox 360 and the HD-DVD addon this week.
post #3093 of 4023
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Originally Posted by marcello696 View Post

I just picked up the 47" Westy and I love it. Thanks to this thread I avoided the PS3 issues and used a hdmi2dvi cable. I am using the D* HR20 over hmdi and watching some of my pre-recorded material like CSI is stunning in 1080i but I must say that viewing 1080p material on the PS3 has been mind blowing. I will easily put this LCD up against anything Sony or Samsung currently has for HD sets and at half the price.

I'll probably purchase a VGA cable and test out the Xbox 360 and the HD-DVD addon this week.

if i can ask what are your picture settings?

I just watched Davinci Code on DVD and either this entire movie is dark or the monitor doesnt handle the dark scenes to well,I didnt see it in the theatre so I cant compare it to that.

I Ran my 360 via VGA and played the davinci code through the HD add on player and used the pic settings Dana posted earlier for my VGA input
post #3094 of 4023
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Originally Posted by jgofett View Post

if i can ask what are your picture settings?

I just watched Davinci Code on DVD and either this entire movie is dark or the monitor doesnt handle the dark scenes to well,I didnt see it in the theatre so I cant compare it to that.

I Ran my 360 via VGA and played the davinci code through the HD add on player and used the pic settings Dana posted earlier for my VGA input

Lots of complaints about this DVD PQ on the OPPO 981 thread.

Dana
post #3095 of 4023
I'm not trying to compare apples to oranges here but how does the Westy compare to say a Sony V2500 or a Samsung 95/96 series? I've pretty much got my choice down to one of the three but I'm one of those "bang for your buck" kind of shoppers so price points are important. I have a Sony 32S2000 right now, it's a nice panel but too small. What do you guys think?
post #3096 of 4023
What type of DVI does this set have...I am thinking about hooking the xbox 360 up through the DVI by using a VGA to DVI adapter. Any help would be appreciated. I will probably head to radioshack Monday and scope things out abit.
post #3097 of 4023
This TV has VGA in if you want to go that route. To use a vga-dvi converter would be a waste of money. That is essentially what happens in the tv first thing when using the vga (or any analog) input. My recommendation would be to use a manufacture issued Component connector. All the Generic or Off-brand component or other video connectors result in a sub-par picture. Because of the extreme detail that this tv is capable of displaying, you need to have the best input possible, but at the same time I don't see any improvement worth going with a Monster issued cable or anything like that. Just stick with a Microsoft issued cable and it will look great. This goes for PS2 users as well. The Sony issue component cable is all of $25 bucks. Good luck.

-spazzman









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Originally Posted by lgb400 View Post

What type of DVI does this set have...I am thinking about hooking the xbox 360 up through the DVI by using a VGA to DVI adapter. Any help would be appreciated. I will probably head to radioshack Monday and scope things out abit.
post #3098 of 4023
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Originally Posted by mikesketball View Post

I'm not trying to compare apples to oranges here but how does the Westy compare to say a Sony V2500 or a Samsung 95/96 series? I've pretty much got my choice down to one of the three but I'm one of those "bang for your buck" kind of shoppers so price points are important. I have a Sony 32S2000 right now, it's a nice panel but too small. What do you guys think?

I don't see how you can get more "bang for your buck" than the Westy 47" especially at its current BB sale price. I started looking at Sonys because I've had several CRT tube models that have been great. But, I quickly ran into a long thread on the AVS Forum here http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showthread.php?t=748779 titled "Official Sony Bravia LCD Uneven Backlight/Cloudy Thread." The first post notes "Both Sony and Samsung are affected by this issue" as well as the v2500. The thread is now 230 pages long!

I went looking into other alternatives and found the Westy 47". Love it and so did my wallet!

Dana
post #3099 of 4023
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Originally Posted by mikesketball View Post

I'm not trying to compare apples to oranges here but how does the Westy compare to say a Sony V2500 or a Samsung 95/96 series? I've pretty much got my choice down to one of the three but I'm one of those "bang for your buck" kind of shoppers so price points are important. I have a Sony 32S2000 right now, it's a nice panel but too small. What do you guys think?

I've tried both the Westy and the Samsung LN-S4695DX and I liked the Westy better. I ended up trading the Westy for a 55inch SXRD but if you want a direct view lcd I would go for the Westy. I've heard great things about the Sony direct view lcd screens but I've never had/tried one.
post #3100 of 4023
We picked up our 47" Westy on Saturday and got it set up. My wife and I are both very pleased so far. We only have sd content hooked up right now. The Dish installer is coming out on Wednesday to upgrade us.

We got FW v1.05. Not the latest, but I don't think 1.06 changed anything important.

After reading comments about poor SD upscaling I was prepared for the worst, but it really looked fine. PS2 content, regular DVD's, and SD Dish programming all look at least as good as on the old tube. The Dish menus actually look much sharper on the new TV.

I used close to default settings, nuetral color, with backlight turned to 0. I really didn't see a huge difference with the backlight like other folks have mentioned. Maybe I need to try it at night.

I guess I'm not too sensetive to other color issues either. After reading all the posts I thought the picture would look horrible until I adjusted it, but out of the box it looked fine. At some point I'll get a calibration DVD and fine tune it, just so I'll know its as good as it can get.

I saw no banding or dead pixels. I didn't use any screens to check carefully. I'm not sure if I want to yet. If I can't see during normal veiwing, I'll be fine. I'll probably watch a taped football game just to make sure I'm not missing something that is going to show up in August.

We do see the washout from changing veiwing angles. We are not sure yet if we are going to be OK with a flat mount, or want to be able to turn it for different areas. I think it depends on how sensetive you are to color perfection, though. I can watch fine from about a 45 degree angle without noticing, but when I move back to center I can see the color difference. It's not as bad for me as I have read from others on this thread, but I can see what they are talking about. I think the actuall veiwing angle is going to depend on the individual.

Happy with our purchase right now. Just waiting now for the Dish installer and cables from monoprice to be really wowed.
post #3101 of 4023
Ok, I'll keep my rant to a minimum.

Around Thanksgiving, my 47" Westy developed a weird faded single pixel-length line at the right-side NTSC frame edge. It wasn't too noticeable at 10', but it tended to annoy me. With the holidays approaching, I waited until after they passed because the kids were home for two weeks.

January arrived and I arranged to send the Westy out to be "fixed" - read: replaced.

Customer service said allow a week for the ship out to us, a week on the bench for examination, and a week for return to you. Fine, 3 weeks I can deal with that.

Well, here we are 7 weeks later, and I have been getting the run around since I inquired after 4 weeks as to what was going on.

After 4 weeks I wanted to speak with a supervisor - please send my "broken" one back to me and when new stock comes in, we'll swap.

Supervisor never called as it turns out that one was never informed that there was a customer that wanted one.

A week later I speak with Meg. She says that there's nothing they can do until new stock arrives. I politely freak. She puts me on hold and comes back to tell me that there is some stock and a unit would shipped out the following Monday.

The "following" Monday passes. On Wednesday I call to aquire a tracking number and wouldn't you know, they don't have any supply at this time. Meg again is able to do nothing, zero, nada... except let a supervisor know that someone wants to speak to them. She tells me that someone will call within 48 hours. Want to guess what didn't happen??

Next call was to the Crutch, to explain the situation and try to get their buying manager involved. The friendly customer service rep was very helpful and said that their "product liaison" might be a good direction to go. My thought is let's start hurting a salesperson's commission check at WD. That should get someone's attention.

This is where I am at. The unit went out at the start of 24's 6th season. I'm wondering how many hours in the "day" are going to go by before I get to enjoy this season via FiOS, before a unit shows up. Right now I have $2500 (purchased last July) worth of nothing.

Thanks for reading.

David in the dark (save for the warm glow of a 15 year old, 19" CRT. YEECH).
post #3102 of 4023
bandler6,

Did you explore in-home service as per the Westy 47" warranty before agreeing to ship it to them? I assume shipping was at your expense.

In any event, it is time to contact your state attorney-general consumer affairs dept. What you describe is unacceptable.

Dana
post #3103 of 4023
Dana, thanks for the input.

I fortunately did not have to pay for shipping. As for the in-home service, it was a non-starter due the nature of the problem. Crutch did say that they would have gladly done a swap per the extended warr that I have, but they stopped stocking this model at the end of OCT.

Agreed, that CA and NJ Attny Gen & consumer affairs commissioners will be contacted, but I am holding out some hope that CFLD will be be able to move this along. If no progress by Thursday, I'm off on Friday and I will start calling the powers that be.

David
post #3104 of 4023
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Originally Posted by bandler6 View Post

Dana, thanks for the input.

I fortunately did not have to pay for shipping. As for the in-home service, it was a non-starter due the nature of the problem. Crutch did say that they would have gladly done a swap per the extended warr that I have, but they stopped stocking this model at the end of OCT.

Agreed, that CA and NJ Attny Gen & consumer affairs commissioners will be contacted, but I am holding out some hope that CFLD will be be able to move this along. If no progress by Thursday, I'm off on Friday and I will start calling the powers that be.

David

I didn't realize you have the extended service plan from Crutchfield. Absolutely lean on them. Also, I would call the Westinghouse Digital business phone line (562-236-9800) and ask to speak with Donald Woo, president of Westinghouse Digitial or one of the other top executives mentioned here http://www.wde.com/executives.aspx

Please keep us informed. And let everyone you speak to know that you are posting on the AVS Forum about your case.

Dana
post #3105 of 4023
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Originally Posted by kevin_barr View Post

I don't follow this thread very well, but if you are saying that the Westy makes a sort of buzzy hum through the speakers at certain backlight settings that better system grounding MAY help, it is probably the difficulties of making a dimmable flourescent bulb. I don't know if they use a special ballast or triac or whatever, but I've had lots of interference issues with flourescent bulbs affecting my home automation setup, because of all the noise they inject into the powerline (I use X10 for home auto which sends signals through the powerline that get masked by the noise).

So certainly if the Westy skimped on power filtering the speaker amp would pick up noise from the backlight's power supply and create a buzzy hum added to the speaker sound from the noise, which would be better or worse depending on what the power supply components had to do to get a certain backlight level.

this kind of noise is a little different than the classic "ground loop" hum, which is actually a sound based on the 60 cycle current that makes up AC power. (even if the sound you hear is higher pitched than 60 hertz it could be a harmonic of the 60 hz sound causing the issue, but the speakers can't reproduce the very low pitch 60 hz so you only hear the harmonic). This kind of humm does NOT have a buzzy sound. If this is what you have, changing grounds will definitely help if you know where the bad loop is.

In audio recording studios (used to work at one) sometimes the solution was to actuall REMOVE a ground from one device so it becomes a "floating" ground, and the loop is broken that way. removing the power ground from a device can be dangerous, but most home AV gear isn't actually grounded anyway (no 3 prong power plug). Removing the ground from AV signals (RCA plugs, audio red/white or red/black AND video yellow, red/green/blue) means making a custom cable or trying to wrap paper around the female socket then pushing the male cable end onto the paper (that's the ground connection, and they all have the same chassis ground on the gadget in question, so do audio and video).

Unfortunately, even if you had the wiring diagram for DVI and HDMI maybe that ground would be hard to disable.

If removing a coax ground helps (the outer threaded connection) it might create another problem because that whole section of coax is going to become an antenna for things like cb radios and who knows what else, so your tv quality could start fluctuating a lot.

If you unplug everything except power from the Westy do you hear the hum?

Thank you for your answer!
you see that is the thing: i use my westy only as a monitor dissconecting speakers was the first thin I did.
There are only two cables running into the unit - power and DVI D from my geforce 6600gt
The flickering sound is most noticeable at backlight setting at a 100%. As I lower the backlight it is less audible, and at 30% it is practically non existent.
Though even at a 100% setting sometimes after 20 min it goes away for some time.
Another thing that contributes is: the more white is on the display the the stronger the audio is.
However it goes without saying that is it incomparable to my 50 inch Akai plasma that sounded like a vacuum cleaner.
I got the impression that sounds comes from the back almost from the place of DVI connection. I am yet to try to connect to VGA and see what happens.
The sound is audible in a complete quiet room...
post #3106 of 4023
Anybody using a Harmony remote? I am having a hard time switching to HDMI input, it stays on DVI2.

Also I have this hooked to my Denon AVR2307 and when I change from HDTV to SD it flickers every time, anyone else experience this?
post #3107 of 4023
yikes these west threads are killer to read through

I have a 42" Westinghouse right now and cannot get my xbox360 to display 1080p, I pretty positive that it's due to the firmware of my set. Are there any issues with the 47" displaying 1080p with the 360? I have the best buy service plan for my set and am thinking about using it to trade up.

Thanks!
post #3108 of 4023
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Originally Posted by colleycol View Post

Anybody using a Harmony remote? I am having a hard time switching to HDMI input, it stays on DVI2.

Also I have this hooked to my Denon AVR2307 and when I change from HDTV to SD it flickers every time, anyone else experience this?

I use the Harmony 360. Are you using Devices or an Activity when the problem occurs? I mainly use Activities, hit the watch TV LCD button or play 360 button and the correct inputs are selected (although I don't use HDMI presently).

Outside of the Harmony, the Westy should autoselect the correct input when a new source is detected.

Mine flickers as well when the DirecTV receiver goes from say 1080i to lower rez channels, but I never really considered it a problem.

Which Harmony are you using?
post #3109 of 4023
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Originally Posted by 2panther View Post

yikes these west threads are killer to read through

I have a 42" Westinghouse right now and cannot get my xbox360 to display 1080p, I pretty positive that it's due to the firmware of my set. Are there any issues with the 47" displaying 1080p with the 360? I have the best buy service plan for my set and am thinking about using it to trade up.

Thanks!

What firmware version do you have? I had firmware 1.19 and it worked perfectly at 1080p either through component input or the vga input. I have been reading this thread as well as the old one since their inception, and as far as I can tell no one has reported having trouble with Xbox360 at 1080p. Same goes for lvm47w1.

If you can give a little more detail about your setup, we might be able to help you. Details such as having the latest dashboard update, type of cable you are using etc.. would help determining the cause of the problem.
post #3110 of 4023
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Originally Posted by cavalry12 View Post

What firmware version do you have? I had firmware 1.19 and it worked perfectly at 1080p either through component input or the vga input. I have been reading this thread as well as the old one since their inception, and as far as I can tell no one has reported having trouble with Xbox360 at 1080p. Same goes for lvm47w1.

If you can give a little more detail about your setup, we might be able to help you. Details such as having the latest dashboard update, type of cable you are using etc.. would help determining the cause of the problem.

firmware 1.19, using MS included component cable, all 360 updates. When I try to set the dashboard to 1080p it just goes black.
post #3111 of 4023
I have the 47w1 with firmware version 1.05 and it works just fine when set at 1080p. I have a buddy on XBL with the same monitor as you and he has never had any problems either. I am using the cables that came with my 360.
post #3112 of 4023
further research, I think it comes down to my receiver, Onkyo 647...
post #3113 of 4023
A question for those of you who bought from Best Buy, did you pick up the extended warranty? I'm trying to decide if I should buy the warranty, I usually do not buy them but this is an expensive tv for me. I did use my amex to buy it, I think that doubles my factory warranty but not 100% sure.

Thanks
post #3114 of 4023
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Originally Posted by ChomskyKnows View Post

I use the Harmony 360. Are you using Devices or an Activity when the problem occurs? I mainly use Activities, hit the watch TV LCD button or play 360 button and the correct inputs are selected (although I don't use HDMI presently).

Outside of the Harmony, the Westy should autoselect the correct input when a new source is detected.

Mine flickers as well when the DirecTV receiver goes from say 1080i to lower rez channels, but I never really considered it a problem.

Which Harmony are you using?

I am using a Harmony 550 (almost same as yours).

I use the activity button. For instance, say I was playing XBox on the VGA. When I hit "Watch TV", The tv needs to go to HDMI because I have one cable going to my TV as my receiver has HDMI. I have the activity set right but it always goes to DV!2. So then I have to choose device and hit next input.

You think it may be a timing issue?
post #3115 of 4023
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Originally Posted by farstar View Post

A question for those of you who bought from Best Buy, did you pick up the extended warranty? I'm trying to decide if I should buy the warranty, I usually do not buy them but this is an expensive tv for me. I did use my amex to buy it, I think that doubles my factory warranty but not 100% sure.

Thanks

Consumer Reports in its recent reviews of TVs said it didn't recommend buying extended warranties for LCD TVs, based on reader reports and its belief that the technology has matured. However, for peace of mind I did buy the BB warranty.

Dana
post #3116 of 4023
I have been considering this Westy 47" for a few weeks now, and it has all I am looking for. I need a monitor more then a TV so the lack of a tuner is not an issue, the only thing that concerns me is the flashing with the PS3. I do not want to have to get behind the AV stand to unplug the Cable in order for it to work, I know another PS3 updated is coming later this month hopefully that will fix it and it will be a match made in heaven.






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I plan to hook up...
-Comcast HD cable box to the DVI-2 input
-PC to the DVI-2 input
-Xbox360+HD-DVD drive to the VGA input
-PS3 to the HDMI input
-Wii to the component input

*All the devices will be connected to my onkyo 6.1 receiver and controlled with my harmony remote
post #3117 of 4023
I hooked an HDMI2DVI from my HD Tivo to the Westy 47". I can't seem to get a pic, the TV is not recognizing the DVR. What am I doing wrong? The Tivo works fine over HDMI and Component. The wire is brand new and worked just fine on my other TV. Help please.
post #3118 of 4023
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Originally Posted by farstar View Post

A question for those of you who bought from Best Buy, did you pick up the extended warranty? I'm trying to decide if I should buy the warranty, I usually do not buy them but this is an expensive tv for me. I did use my amex to buy it, I think that doubles my factory warranty but not 100% sure.

Thanks

WHen I bought mine from BB the salesman told me about the extended plan,but when I pressed him about what could really go wrong with an LCD he said to be honest you dont really need it.
post #3119 of 4023
Hey everyone, I'm writing this as I watch my newly arrived 47" inches monitor. It came in this morning and I hadn't had the chance to properly test it until recently, since I had a lot of stuff to do and buy, like like an DVI -> HDMI cable (I ordered a DVI to DVI, but it still hasn't arrived and I just couldn't wait anymore) to hook it up to my PC and a surge protector.

Well, I'll try to skip the obvious first impressions, it's big and sleek yadda yadda. Hooked it to my PC with the aforementioned cables and it was recognized instantly, no problems at all, worked at native res right away and only had a minor issue which I'll mention later on. First thing I did was search for drbonbi's PQ setting recommendations. I'll be honest I didn't notice much PQ difference, but I suck at noticing these things and I wasn't watching a movie or anything, all I noticed is that it since it was less bright my eyes hurt less and whatever banding this thing has became a bit more noticeable, but not so that it actually bothers me.

SD Scaling and stuff. I was really expecting it to be much worse but it's livable. From playing the PS2 and the Wii I have to say though that only some games scale well for some reason, even though they should be the same res as the rest. And there's noticeable overscan, either in standard or fill mode. It doesn't look bad at all though if the game has widescreen mode (all games should have this option sheesh). I don't know if the overscan thing is fixable or not, again, it's livable. I don't know why Resident Evil 4 is stretched when fill is selected though, the game is supposed to be widescreen, but meh.

The small issue I mentioned earlier is that when my desktop background is visible (which is a green/blue picture) I get some artifacts that look like small glimmering or flickering lines. I've only noticed it on my desktop and on rare occasions though. Any one knows what causes this?

That said, I'm very happy with my purchase and I'm going to try to enjoy it the best I can from now on. I can't see any obvious issues yet, but I got it at Best Buy so I hope any issues that are going to come up with this specific set come up in 30 days or less. The only issue so far is that I don't know how to remove the top sticker without leaving residue.
post #3120 of 4023
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Originally Posted by Silvard View Post

I don't know why Resident Evil 4 is stretched when fill is selected though, the game is supposed to be widescreen, but meh.

You must be playing the Gamecube version on your Wii? The gamecube version is widescreen, but it is not anamorphic widescreen, therefore a widescreen TV will stretch it. And worse, there's no zoom option on these Westys, so your only option is to play it stretched.

If you wanted, you could go out and grab the PS2 version (its 20 bucks), which IS anamorphic widescreen (and 480p). I've heard the lighting effects aren't quit as good as the Gamecube version, but it will look way better on your Westy.
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