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post #3991 of 4028
Thanks for the info. I was afraid this was the case, unfortunately I didn't buy my set from BB, and my 3 year warranty ran out...oh well, hopefully it goes away.

now if I can just get my Logitech remote to not cycle the TV input when powering on : )
post #3992 of 4028
Anyone know of a code or command for HDMI for a Logitech remote? Why would they leave that one input off of the remote?!?
post #3993 of 4028
Does anyone know the proper XBOX 360 settings to use for this TV over HDMI?

You have the option of:
HDMI Color Space:
1) Auto
2) Source
3) RGB
4) YCbCr709
5)YCbCr601

and

Reference Levels:
1) Standard
2) Intermediate
3) Expanded

It seems the Expanded along with RGB will sent over 0-255 instead of the 16-235 but does the Westy handle this properly over HDMI? (Since this is more of a video input instead of PC input)
post #3994 of 4028
Shot in the dark here but... anyway, I got the dark lines on the sides with my 47" and I have a 4 year PSP with Best Buy. Right now I'm sitting at 2 weeks since they came out to the house and said that it will need a panel replacement.

Anyone else with the dark lines have any experience with this? I read earlier in the thread that Best Buy had replaced someone's TV with the same issue... I just got off the phone with them and they said the part is on backorder and they have no idea how long it is going to take for it to get in. At what point do I tell them they need to simply replace my TV? What is the process like getting the TV replaced? Do they give you a gift card or some kind of voucher? Thanks in advance in case any of you LVM peeps are still around...lol.
post #3995 of 4028
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Originally Posted by bicranium View Post

Shot in the dark here but... anyway, I got the dark lines on the sides with my 47" and I have a 4 year PSP with Best Buy. Right now I'm sitting at 2 weeks since they came out to the house and said that it will need a panel replacement.

Anyone else with the dark lines have any experience with this? I read earlier in the thread that Best Buy had replaced someone's TV with the same issue... I just got off the phone with them and they said the part is on backorder and they have no idea how long it is going to take for it to get in. At what point do I tell them they need to simply replace my TV? What is the process like getting the TV replaced? Do they give you a gift card or some kind of voucher? Thanks in advance in case any of you LVM peeps are still around...lol.

Well, I'm here anyway. I think you're right about BB replacement. I believe the poster got full credit towards a replacement TV of his choice. As far as I can recall, there has never been a post on this thread about a successful field repair of the LVM-47w1. None. I'd go back to BB and pitch a bitch. And contact Westinghouse directly and ask if a replacement panel is even available.

Good luck and keep us posted, please.

Dana
post #3996 of 4028
Just got off the phone with Best Buy corporate (they tried to call me on Friday at 3:55PM CT while they close at 4:00PM CT and I lost the call on my cell phone and they didn't bother calling back since it was the end of the day...lol) and they're offering the replacement. The way the woman said everything it seemed like it was pretty strict. Said the replacement TV will be the same size, refresh rate, resolution, etc., etc. And the store determines what TV I get. So it would appear as if I'll get a 47" LCD with a 60hz refresh rate which means it's basically 1 of 2 TV's... an Insignia or an LG... I really hope they don't keep it that strict but we'll see. I'm going to have to call them back again today when I get home (don't have their corporate number here at work) to make sure I don't have to go to the store where I bought it. Because that's about a 2 1/2 hour trip...lol.
post #3997 of 4028
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Originally Posted by bicranium View Post

Just got off the phone with Best Buy corporate (they tried to call me on Friday at 3:55PM CT while they close at 4:00PM CT and I lost the call on my cell phone and they didn't bother calling back since it was the end of the day...lol) and they're offering the replacement. The way the woman said everything it seemed like it was pretty strict. Said the replacement TV will be the same size, refresh rate, resolution, etc., etc. And the store determines what TV I get. So it would appear as if I'll get a 47" LCD with a 60hz refresh rate which means it's basically 1 of 2 TV's... an Insignia or an LG... I really hope they don't keep it that strict but we'll see. I'm going to have to call them back again today when I get home (don't have their corporate number here at work) to make sure I don't have to go to the store where I bought it. Because that's about a 2 1/2 hour trip...lol.

I'll bet you can go to the closest BB. And I wouldn't be surprised if the local store manager will be more lenient depending on what stock is available. Good luck!

Dana
post #3998 of 4028
Also, limiting you to the LVM-47w1 specs cuts both ways. It has a 6.5 ms response time which I think is pretty good! So, maybe you can dicker.

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After I wrote the above, I looked at the two 60Hz 47" TVs at BB you mentioned. The LG has a 6.0 response time and the Insignia has a 6.5 response time. Both seem to have favorable user ratings.

Dana
post #3999 of 4028
Yeah, I'm hoping they would be more lenient. Haven't had a chance to do the exchange just yet (I have to wait for a friend with a truck to get some free time to help haul the TV over to a Best Buy...lol). Since it is a rather large item to haul around, I'm going to call a couple in the area today and see if any of them can give me information on whether or not it would be possible to just get some kind of credit based on the replacement they'd be willing to offer then I can just pick whatever TV I want and pay the difference. If none of them are willing to do that I'll probably just take the LG, give it to my parents (dad is still stuck with a 50" Hitachi Ultravision projection TV from 1995 or so...lol) then get something else for myself.
post #4000 of 4028
I have three months left on my warranty and I just discovered what appears to be the HDCP handshaking issue. My HTPC with integrated Nvidia 9300 graphics is not allowing me to play Blu-ray movies with my built in Sony blu-ray player if I try to connect to the TV over HDMI. I could go back to VGA but I would really like to have this work the way it is supposed to. I researched the threads and it looks like this was never solved aside from maybe porting the HDMI through a surround sound receiver. Any one recall a solution?

Also, I have to admit that the picture actually looks worse than the VGA signal did when I am running 720p resolution which I have to do when surfing the web because I sit too far away from the 47" TV to make out the text at 1080p. Any ideas as to why 720p looks better through VGA than HDMI?
post #4001 of 4028
I'm not sure what you mean about the HDCP handshake "issue." HDMI includes High-bandwidth Digital Content Protection aka HDCP. If you connect anything to the LVM-47w1 HDMI terminal in my experience, it will expect a handshake that confirms HDCP. The Westy HDMI terminal is "hot," meaning that even if the set isn't turned on, the HDMI connection must confirm HDCP.

The two DVI-D terminals also require HDCP according to the specs.

VGA is an analog connection and doesn't include HDCP.

All of the above is "normal." If your PC doesn't include HDCP when using HDMI, the Westy will reject the signal.

There is no warranty issue that I am aware of regarding the above. It's an industry-wide standard. Blame it on the movie industry.

Dana
post #4002 of 4028
Way back in 2007 there were a lot of people complaining of various HDCP issues with this set. One was "sparkles" and the other was improper handshaking. The main issue was with the PS3. My takeaway was that the TV wasn't responding fast enough to the handshake request and was not able to handle frame rates that deviated even slightly from 60Hz.
post #4003 of 4028
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Originally Posted by Huskymaniac View Post

Way back in 2007 there were a lot of people complaining of various HDCP issues with this set. One was "sparkles" and the other was improper handshaking. The main issue was with the PS3. My takeaway was that the TV wasn't responding fast enough to the handshake request and was not able to handle frame rates that deviated even slightly from 60Hz.

I'm not an expert on the PS3 but I recall that "issue." Sony claimed it was Westy and vice versa. Then Sony issued a firmware update and the "issue" went away.

Dana
post #4004 of 4028
The "sparkle" issue may have gone away but the handshake issue didn't. And it wasn't just a Sony problem because this set was the only one that did it.
post #4005 of 4028
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Originally Posted by Huskymaniac View Post

The "sparkle" issue may have gone away but the handshake issue didn't. And it wasn't just a Sony problem because this set was the only one that did it.

Ah. I don't think so. http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&s...3+HDMI+problem

Dana
post #4006 of 4028
OK, so maybe Westinghouse wasn't alone but it still wasn't completely Sony's fault. It was easiest for them to change their firmware to fix the PS3 problem specifically. But there is still a handshaking issue due to some variability in the HDCP implementation and it is still causing problems for some people, myself included. I have read that sending the HDMI signal through a HDMI to DVI adapter solves the problem. I could try that or I could try DVI to DVI directly as I have a DVI output on my PC. But I think DVI requires HDCP handshaking so I don' see how that will solve the problem and I don't want to wast more money on a new cable if it won't. I may just go back to VGA but that is disappointing. But maybe that is best because, honestly, the PQ from my HDMI output is not so great anyways. I think it is an issue with the pixel mapping when using HDMI. The TV has an option to do signal alignment when using the VGA input and that works quite nicely.
post #4007 of 4028
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Originally Posted by Huskymaniac View Post

OK, so maybe Westinghouse wasn't alone but it still wasn't completely Sony's fault. It was easiest for them to change their firmware to fix the PS3 problem specifically. But there is still a handshaking issue due to some variability in the HDCP implementation and it is still causing problems for some people, myself included. I have read that sending the HDMI signal through a HDMI to DVI adapter solves the problem. I could try that or I could try DVI to DVI directly as I have a DVI output on my PC. But I think DVI requires HDCP handshaking so I don' see how that will solve the problem and I don't want to wast more money on a new cable if it won't. I may just go back to VGA but that is disappointing. But maybe that is best because, honestly, the PQ from my HDMI output is not so great anyways. I think it is an issue with the pixel mapping when using HDMI. The TV has an option to do signal alignment when using the VGA input and that works quite nicely.

No question but what HDMI is a bitch. One problem that may have affected the PS3 is that it was the first device on the market with HDMI 1.3 and it may not have been well implemented.

I read about using DVI solving the problem, too, with the PS3 at least. That may indicate that some of the problem with the PS3 may have involved audio because - as you note - supposedly this Westy implements HDCP on the DVI-D terminals.

My personal experience plus other posts on this thread - and I have read all of them - indicate that every input issue ultimately has been found to involve the source. I had problems getting a new Denon AVR to connect using DVI. I abandoned the idea. Months later I learned that just about every Denon AVR has a problem with HDMI>DVI connections. The company buries weasel words in every manual indicating that it "might not work." It knows damn well it doesn't.

I also have read that with a PC, every component - not just some - has to support HDCP for it to successfully complete a HDMI handshake.

Dana
post #4008 of 4028
When you say components, are you talking about internal components or components the PC is connected to? I suppose I can see if updated drivers are available for my blu-ray drive.
post #4009 of 4028
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Originally Posted by Huskymaniac View Post

When you say components, are you talking about internal components or components the PC is connected to? I suppose I can see if updated drivers are available for my blu-ray drive.

Here's what I read here. Hope it helps.

Quote:


Playing High Definition Videos Without Proper HDCP Equipment

If a person wishes to watch a high definition movie which requires some sort of HDCP environment, everything must be HDCP capable in order to view the movie in its fullest quality. In the case of watching a high definition digital video disc such as HD-DVD on a television, all of the electronics in the physical connection path must be HDCP capable. If this is not the case, the high definition movie may only play with the quality of a standard DVD.

When trying to use a computer to play a high definition movie which has been protected by HDCP technology, much the same situation arises. All of the technology from the graphics card to the monitor must be HDCP capable in order for the movie to play in its high definition form. If these requirements are not met, the video will play at a lower quality or may not even play at all, resulting in a plain black screen with an error message.

I think HTPC computers are really held to a high standard because the movie industry is paranoid about copying.

Also, what I've found in my own experience is that the Westy seems to prefer being connected last in the HDMI chain. With my universal remote, that's the sequence I use and it works every time.

Finally, maybe you could locate another, smaller TV with HDMI to use on loan to see if it will work with your HTPC. Or, take your computer to a friend's house to see if it will work there with an HDMI TV. That would be a real test of whether the Westy is the problem or not.

Best of luck.

Dana
post #4010 of 4028
So you turn the TV on last?
post #4011 of 4028
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Originally Posted by Huskymaniac View Post

So you turn the TV on last?

Yes. It doesn't always work that way with my universal remote. Sometimes my OPPO 83 BD player misses the command, the Westy says no signal detected and then I turn on the player. That seems to work, too, so it's not a hard and fast rule. BTW, the chain is for the player to connect to the Denon AVR and through the Denon HDMI to the Westy.

Somewhere along the way I picked up the idea that turning the Westy on last was the best way to go.

That also seems to be confirmed by some of those early "fixes" with the PS3. Some said that all one needed to do was pull the HDMI cable and then reconnect it for the PS3 to handshake with the Westy. I assume that meant a hot reconnect. So, the connection to the Westy was after the PS3 was turned on.

HDMI being what it is, trying everything is good problem-solving.

Dana
post #4012 of 4028
Just wanted to let everyone know that if you have the IR sensor problem, a new IR sensor board fixes it.

I've had the IR problem since I got it...both the remote that comes with it and my Harmony could not get the TV to register a signal. I would go through all sorts of gyrations, pointing off walls and such to get any button presses to be recognized maybe 5% of the time. Even tried an IR repeater - no dice.

Well, I bought a new IR sensor board (Google part number 2970056501), and decided to try installing it tonight. Fairly easy...Set the TV on it's front (on my nice soft couch to not stress the LCD glass). Took out the 4 stand screws (the one by the AC cord, the one below it, and the 2 on the other side) and removed the stand. Then unscrewed all the screws with arrows pointing to them embossed in the plastic (10 of these)...this holds the back on.

But we don't need to take the whole back off! Just pry open the bottom at the center and you'll see the IR sensor board. There's a tiny tab you can pull on to get the board out, and disconnect the electrical connector. Pop the new board in, put all the screws back in, reinstall the stand, and you're set! For $9 + shipping, my remote finally works after 5 years!
post #4013 of 4028
Apologies for the absurdly old bump, but I wanted to see if there were any owners out there still checking this thread. My picture quality has severely degraded, as the image has gotten much darker and redder over the past couple months. I'm slowly adjusting the settings, but not getting very good results. Anyone else out there with similar issues?
post #4014 of 4028
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Originally Posted by mjconnor10 View Post

Apologies for the absurdly old bump, but I wanted to see if there were any owners out there still checking this thread. My picture quality has severely degraded, as the image has gotten much darker and redder over the past couple months. I'm slowly adjusting the settings, but not getting very good results. Anyone else out there with similar issues?

My set hasn't gotten darker or redder, but I do notice the uneven backlighting a lot more. It shows up as clouds of darker splotches on the screen. I first noticed it a year or so ago. It hasn't really changed much since then.
post #4015 of 4028
Mine is still working fine, but we don't use it a whole lot... but I'd like a bigger screen
post #4016 of 4028
That's kinda why I'm asking - I'd love a bigger screen, especially since 60" plasmas seem to be absolute bargains right now. But if there's an easy fix to this, I'd rather put this money towards some new front speakers. (Or the bathroom remodel. Or any number of other things this money pit of a house needs! )
post #4017 of 4028
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Originally Posted by gadianton View Post

My set hasn't gotten darker or redder, but I do notice the uneven backlighting a lot more. It shows up as clouds of darker splotches on the screen. I first noticed it a year or so ago. It hasn't really changed much since then.

Ive got a small vertical dark spot on the left side of the screen. Is there a fix for this?
post #4018 of 4028
Mine is still chugging away. It hasn't developed any more dead pixels than it started with but it is getting just a bit dimmer and dosen't look as crystal clear as the new LED backlit models. I've never made any PQ adjustments since the first week I had it so maybe it's time to tweak on it some.

All in all I'm still really happy with it and just wonder how many more years it will be before it dies and I can get something new.
post #4019 of 4028
Gosh, am I the only person out there still using their LVM-47w1? The other night the picture on the HDMI input just went black. I freaked and put another cable into the DVI 1 from my HTPC and that worked but after turning the set off and back on the HDMI input came back to life and all is normal.

As much grief as Westinghouse seems to get on this forum I have to say mine was a good purchase and it may carry me to the point where I can get something with really new tech like these 4K models. http://www.engadget.com/2012/12/27/westinghouse-4k-tvs-at-ces/

For now the picture is still acceptable and best of all I didn't have to rush out at Christmas to buy a new one.

Guy
post #4020 of 4028
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Originally Posted by GuyLR View Post

Gosh, am I the only person out there still using their LVM-47w1?

I'm still using mine! It's definitely not as nice as the new tech, but I still get the occasional compliment on the picture.
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