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post #13741 of 40748
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

If the status you get from pressing Select repeatedly shows you are receiving 6ch 48KHz from the PS3, then the PS3 is sending the proper, high-bandwidth, multi-channel LPCM to the D2.

What happens next depends on your speaker configuration and whether or not you have THX audio post processing turned on.

So do you have a 5.1, 6.1, or 7.1 speaker configuration specified in the Setup / Speaker Configuration menu? And do you have THX turned on in the D2 while listening to the PS3 (THX button on the remote and then Up or Down arrows to toggle the setting)?

While listening to the PS3, press the Mode button once and record what it says. See Sections 4.8.4 and 4.8.6 of the manual to decipher this stuff.
--Bob

I have the speaker configuration set to 7.1 -2 subs.
I haven't used THX for a long time, and it is not on now.
I am running ARC if that matters.
I will check the mode setting the next time I play a BR.

Tom
post #13742 of 40748
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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

I ordered my ARC two weeks ago, and found out today that Anthem is not going to ship it tell 6/1, so I will not see it until mid June.

I have great sympathy, yet I think I have you beat.

I ordered my ARC-1 through my dealer on Feb 12th. OF course, Anthem didn't accept orders until March 12th, but due to screwups with my dealer and/or salesperson, my order is in limbo.

You may get yours first...
post #13743 of 40748
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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

I ordered my ARC two weeks ago, and found out today that Anthem is not going to ship it tell 6/1, so I will not see it until mid June.

I have the same situation, ordered my ARC for my D1 on 5/4 and received a call from my dealer (5/9) that they had a message from Anthem that it is backorder with a 3 week delay. I assume from 5/9, which would also put it right around 6/1 for shipping.

I am curious if they are wating for feedback from initial "beta" testers (those first buyers) to incorporate software (and maybe hardware) changes or that they simply can't keep up with my demand.
post #13744 of 40748
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Originally Posted by mikefl52 View Post

I have the same situation, ordered my ARC for my D1 on 5/4 and received a call from my dealer (5/9) that they had a message from Anthem that it is backorder with a 3 week delay. I assume from 5/9, which would also put it right around 6/1 for shipping.

I am curious if they are wating for feedback from initial "beta" testers (those first buyers) to incorporate software (and maybe hardware) changes or that they simply can't keep up with my demand.

The problem is that Anthem ran out of mics, hence the delay.
post #13745 of 40748
If we set Room EQ = Off at the Source Setup menu, will we get back our pre-ARC speaker configurations for that particular source?

My fronts are full range, going down to 24Hz (-3dB) and when playing 2-ch music, I do not like to use the sub. Previously, I had the Bass Management menu Adv Setting = Off, but the ARC changed it to 'On' and set xover points for all the speakers. From what I observe, the change seem to be permanent, whether EQ is off or on.

Ben
post #13746 of 40748
So I've been running the latest flavor of 1.31 since it was available with little trouble (well, except for my long standing issues for which Anthem seems to be unable to provide fixes... grrr...). Anywho, received my Arc package recently, ran though the calibration, uploaded and everything seemed fine. Was able to test out all my inputs, etc. and everything seemed okay.

The next day I go to turn on the system and I can tell something is not quite right... instead of the normal 10 or so seconds for the D2 to trigger on my amp, it takes well over 30 seconds... once the D2 finally comes online I have video but no audio... response to the remote is extremely sluggish (basically unusable)... and no matter what I do I cannot get any audio. Tried restarting the D2 but the symptoms are always the same... slow startup, I get video (although sometimes it is bizarre... like it is rendering with only a few colors), no audio and extremely sluggish remote response (unusable... 20 + seconds to respond to any command).

I finally decided the only thing to try is to reinstall 1.31c (fyi, using XP with a native serial port... no usb conversion) so I do that after first wiping the flash using the eraser program. Everything was back to normal... I intentionally do a couple of restarts of the system and it behaves as it did before I tried Arc (i.e. normally). So I run Arc again (I'm a glutton) and the first startup after Arc is uploaded everything is working as expected so I shrug it off as a glitch. However, the next day when I power the system up, same problems... slow startup, video (sometimes bizarre), no audio and D2 is extremely sluggish to respond to the remote. Try several restarts but to no avail. Re-install 1.31c (after clearing the flash) and I am now back to normal... Have left it alone (meaning I did not try to do Arc again) and it has been fine for several days now.

I will be sending these details to Nick but was just curious if anyone else has had similar experiences?
post #13747 of 40748
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Originally Posted by benleeys View Post

If we set Room EQ = Off at the Source Setup menu, will we get back our pre-ARC speaker configurations for that particular source?

My fronts are full range, going down to 24Hz (-3dB) and when playing 2-ch music, I do not like to use the sub. Previously, I had the Bass Management menu Adv Setting = Off, but the ARC changed it to 'On' and set xover points for all the speakers. From what I observe, the change seem to be permanent, whether EQ is off or on.

Ben

When you set Room EQ = Off for any given source, the ARC filters are disabled for that source, however the speaker levels and crossovers that ARC calculated are maintained. I.e., the settings you now see in Setup / Level Calibration and in Setup / Speaker Configuration (for the cross overs) -- the settings ARC altered as part of its Upload -- are used whether or not Room EQ = ON is set.

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The first thing to try is to run ARC in "Advanced" mode, and tell ARC that you want a separate Movie and Music configuration, and that you *DON'T* want the subwoofer included in the Music configuration.

ARC will measure at each location for your Movie setup and then start over and measure again at each location (which might, I suppose, be different) for your Music configuration. It will then calculate levels (common to both) and cross overs (different for Movie and Music) and present those cross overs to use as it's "targets" -- viewable in the Target window with separate results for Movie cross overs and Music cross overs.

So do the measurement that way and then see what ARC has come up with for Music cross overs. Since you have excluded the sub from the Music configuration, the Music configuration crossovers for your main speakers should now be set quite low or perhaps even disabled.

Now you can have ARC do its calculation based on that set of measurements and targets, or, if you prefer, you can alter the target crossovers shown in the targets window for the Music configuration and have ARC run its calculation based on those manual cross over settings.

Either way, now Upload the results to the D2.

Your Movie setup will be as before, and your Music setup will now show that the sub is not included in the configuration and the cross overs for the mains are as you had them in the ARC "targets" window prior to it doing its calculations.

NOW when you switch between Room EQ = ON/OFF for your Music sources all you are doing is taking the ARC filters out of the equation. The cross overs in the Music configuration will be as you set them in the ARC "targets" window for Music either way.

----------------------------------------------

Beware however that if you CHANGE the levels or cross over settings in the Setup menu *AFTER* Uploading ARC results, that such changes will effect ARC audio as well -- meaning the ARC calculations will no longer be valid. The correct way to alter the crossovers is to do it in the ARC "targets". Then re-calculate based on your prior measurements and these new targets and upload the results. You don't have to re-measure. Just change the targets, re-calculate, and Upload the new results.

[EXCEPTION: For technical reasons that I confess I do not understand, the above warning is NOT true for the subwoofer cross overs. If you change those in Setup / Speaker Configuration after Uploading ARC results, such changes will *NOT* alter ARC's audio. It will only alter audio when you select Room EQ = OFF for some source.]

In particular, this means you need to Save User Settings and/or Installer Settings after Uploading ARC results to make sure the current levels and crossovers used by ARC in its calculations are saved in those memories. Otherwise, if you Reload User or Installer Settings any differences in the old, saved, cross over or speaker level values will screw up ARC audio.
--Bob
post #13748 of 40748
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Originally Posted by sfm View Post

So I've been running the latest flavor of 1.31 since it was available with little trouble (well, except for my long standing issues for which Anthem seems to be unable to provide fixes... grrr...). Anywho, received my Arc package recently, ran though the calibration, uploaded and everything seemed fine. Was able to test out all my inputs, etc. and everything seemed okay.

The next day I go to turn on the system and I can tell something is not quite right... instead of the normal 10 or so seconds for the D2 to trigger on my amp, it takes well over 30 seconds... once the D2 finally comes online I have video but no audio... response to the remote is extremely sluggish (basically unusable)... and no matter what I do I cannot get any audio. Tried restarting the D2 but the symptoms are always the same... slow startup, I get video (although sometimes it is bizarre... like it is rendering with only a few colors), no audio and extremely sluggish remote response (unusable... 20 + seconds to respond to any command).

I finally decided the only thing to try is to reinstall 1.31c (fyi, using XP with a native serial port... no usb conversion) so I do that after first wiping the flash using the eraser program. Everything was back to normal... I intentionally do a couple of restarts of the system and it behaves as it did before I tried Arc (i.e. normally). So I run Arc again (I'm a glutton) and the first startup after Arc is uploaded everything is working as expected so I shrug it off as a glitch. However, the next day when I power the system up, same problems... slow startup, video (sometimes bizarre), no audio and D2 is extremely sluggish to respond to the remote. Try several restarts but to no avail. Re-install 1.31c (after clearing the flash) and I am now back to normal... Have left it alone (meaning I did not try to do Arc again) and it has been fine for several days now.

I will be sending these details to Nick but was just curious if anyone else has had similar experiences?

Well that's certainly nasty! So far, we've had no other posts here that sound like this problem.

Off hand it sounds to me like some portion of the system is seeing a corrupt value in the settings as a result of the ARC upload, and is either not responding at all or is crashing and restarting repeatedly.

Try this: Turn off your display and source devices, and then power on the D2 by pressing the fm/am button on the front panel. Does that work at normal responsiveness? If so, the problem may be in the recognition of the source audio or the display.

Another thing to try, if you can get the system to function sufficiently, is to turn Room EQ = OFF for any Setup / Source Setup. Then power cycle, turning the D2 on by using the front panel button for that particular source device. If that restores normal responsiveness then it would appear that it is the processing of the ARC filters which has failed. You may have a hardware problem in the second DSP that handles ARC processing.

Both of these steps are not so much intended as workarounds as to get Anthem additional info that might help diagnose your problem.

A long shot possibility, if you still have the serial cable attached to the D2, is that some garbage is coming in on the serial cable (due to whatever is now going on in your computer) and the D2 is trying to interpret that as RS-232 remote commands. The easy test for that is to power down and disconnect the serial cable and try again.
--Bob
post #13749 of 40748
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

I have the speaker configuration set to 7.1 -2 subs.
I haven't used THX for a long time, and it is not on now.
I am running ARC if that matters.
I will check the mode setting the next time I play a BR.

Tom

It sounds to me like the multi-channel PCM from the PS3 is including the flag identifying the track as originally DD 5.1 EX. Frankly, I wasn't aware you could do that in LPCM. Learn something new every day.

Since the (mono) back channel is already matrixed into the side surrounds, the Anthem may be ignoring your request to do PLIIx processing and using the Dolby EX algorithm instead. I don't have my PS3 yet, so I can't test this and compare. The difference should only be whether the back channel is mono or stereo.

Which audio track have you selected for playback from the Blu-Ray discs when you are seeing this. Is there any chance you have mistakenly selected the DD 5.1 EX track instead of, say, the raw PCM or TrueHD or DTS-HD MA track?
--Bob
post #13750 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

I have the speaker configuration set to 7.1 -2 subs.
I haven't used THX for a long time, and it is not on now.
I am running ARC if that matters.
I will check the mode setting the next time I play a BR.
Tom

FWIW,
I had the exact same thing happen once, only able to select DD EX, no DPLIIx option.
Checked the speaker config and it was set to 6.1 instead of 7.1.
Corrected the setting and it went back to "normal".
Hasn't happened since
post #13751 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by ASW View Post

Tonight my Tivo started having real issues with the D2 when switching from any HDTV format to 480i, either on live TV or watching a recorded program. In many cases, the D2 seems not to be able to lock on to the 480i signal at all and I get a flashing black screen. This happens both with HDMI and component connections between the Tivo and the D2. Setting the Tivo to 1080i from native fixes the issue (and, maybe surprisingly, with little or no difference in video quality).

Has anyone else had this issue? I have had the d2/Tivo S3 combination for over a year and, while there has been some sync-up time when I switch between formats, I have not seen the D2 be completely unable to lock on to a 480i signal before.

I am trying rebooting the Tivo to see if that helps.

Any suggestions?

This seems to be a Tivo S3 issue since firmware 9.3a

http://www.tivocommunity.com/tivo-vb...04#post6284404
post #13752 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

When you set Room EQ = Off for any given source, the ARC filters are disabled for that source, however the speaker levels and crossovers that ARC calculated are maintained. I.e., the settings you now see in Setup / Level Calibration and in Setup / Speaker Configuration (for the cross overs) -- the settings ARC altered as part of its Upload -- are used whether or not Room EQ = ON is set.

--------------------------------------------

The first thing to try is to run ARC in "Advanced" mode, and tell ARC that you want a separate Movie and Music configuration, and that you *DON'T* want the subwoofer included in the Music configuration.

ARC will measure at each location for your Movie setup and then start over and measure again at each location (which might, I suppose, be different) for your Music configuration. It will then calculate levels (common to both) and cross overs (different for Movie and Music) and present those cross overs to use as it's "targets" -- viewable in the Target window with separate results for Movie cross overs and Music cross overs.

So do the measurement that way and then see what ARC has come up with for Music cross overs. Since you have excluded the sub from the Music configuration, the Music configuration crossovers for your main speakers should now be set quite low or perhaps even disabled.

Now you can have ARC do its calculation based on that set of measurements and targets, or, if you prefer, you can alter the target crossovers shown in the targets window for the Music configuration and have ARC run its calculation based on those manual cross over settings.

Either way, now Upload the results to the D2.

Your Movie setup will be as before, and your Music setup will now show that the sub is not included in the configuration and the cross overs for the mains are as you had them in the ARC "targets" window prior to it doing its calculations.

NOW when you switch between Room EQ = ON/OFF for your Music sources all you are doing is taking the ARC filters out of the equation. The cross overs in the Music configuration will be as you set them in the ARC "targets" window for Music either way.

----------------------------------------------

Beware however that if you CHANGE the levels or cross over settings in the Setup menu *AFTER* Uploading ARC results, that such changes will effect ARC audio as well -- meaning the ARC calculations will no longer be valid. The correct way to alter the crossovers is to do it in the ARC "targets". Then re-calculate based on your prior measurements and these new targets and upload the results. You don't have to re-measure. Just change the targets, re-calculate, and Upload the new results.

[EXCEPTION: For technical reasons that I confess I do not understand, the above warning is NOT true for the subwoofer cross overs. If you change those in Setup / Speaker Configuration after Uploading ARC results, such changes will *NOT* alter ARC's audio. It will only alter audio when you select Room EQ = OFF for some source.]

In particular, this means you need to Save User Settings and/or Installer Settings after Uploading ARC results to make sure the current levels and crossovers used by ARC in its calculations are saved in those memories. Otherwise, if you Reload User or Installer Settings any differences in the old, saved, cross over or speaker level values will screw up ARC audio.
--Bob

Thanks, Bob. I will do as you suggest (and see if I can manage to mess it all up ) Will let you know the outcome.

Ben
post #13753 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

FWIW,
I had the exact same thing happen once, only able to select DD EX, no DPLIIx option.
Checked the speaker config and it was set to 6.1 instead of 7.1.
Corrected the setting and it went back to "normal".
Hasn't happened since

I checked my speaker configuration and it was set at 6.1.
It must have changed sometime while I was loading v1.31 or ARC, and not reloaded correctly when I reloaded my settings.
I've resetted it to 7.1 and will see if it fixed the problem later when I watch a BR.
Thanks for the heads up Milt99,
Tom
post #13754 of 40748
Don't know if this was posted already but here goes...sorry if it was but I didn't see it.
Brian Florian's review of ARC is up at Secrets and it says everything we have been saying!

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/proce...orrection.html

/\\/\\
post #13755 of 40748
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Originally Posted by drmabuse View Post

Don't know if this was posted already but here goes...sorry if it was but I didn't see it.
Brian Florian's review of ARC is up at Secrets and it says everything we have been saying!

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/proce...orrection.html

/\\/\\

From the review:
Quote:


Also part of the target settings is the crossover frequency for each speaker. This is one that is really going to ruffle some feathers as, with little exception, ARC will tend to use higher frequencies than people would expect, sometimes much higher

Uh????
Haven't most of us experienced just the opposite?
My crossovers were set quite low, Mains at 35, Center at 50, even the side & rear dipoles were set at 70/75.
I thought I saw others here who were pretty low too.
post #13756 of 40748
Excellent, thanks for the heads-up.
post #13757 of 40748
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

From the review:

Uh????
Haven't most of us experienced just the opposite?
My crossovers were set quite low, Mains at 35, Center at 50, even the side & rear dipoles were set at 70/75.
I thought I saw others here who were pretty low too.

Although the Secrets review was very good, I thought the comment on the crossover settings was strange as well. My ARC results for Mains and Center at 50, surrounds at 60.

Did anybody on the board here actually experience a "hole" with the sub low-pass below the high-pass for the mains?
post #13758 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Beware however that if you CHANGE the levels or cross over settings in the Setup menu *AFTER* Uploading ARC results, that such changes will effect ARC audio as well -- meaning the ARC calculations will no longer be valid. The correct way to alter the crossovers is to do it in the ARC "targets". Then re-calculate based on your prior measurements and these new targets and upload the results. You don't have to re-measure. Just change the targets, re-calculate, and Upload the new results.

[EXCEPTION: For technical reasons that I confess I do not understand, the above warning is NOT true for the subwoofer cross overs. If you change those in Setup / Speaker Configuration after Uploading ARC results, such changes will *NOT* alter ARC's audio. It will only alter audio when you select Room EQ = OFF for some source.]

In particular, this means you need to Save User Settings and/or Installer Settings after Uploading ARC results to make sure the current levels and crossovers used by ARC in its calculations are saved in those memories. Otherwise, if you Reload User or Installer Settings any differences in the old, saved, cross over or speaker level values will screw up ARC audio.
--Bob

I knew I should have saved the settings to installer settings! I started to play around with the crossover settings in the setup menu and things sounded different. They did not sound bad, just not right. I thought it would only affect the sound with Room EQ off. Well, this will force me to run ARC again and try the new suggestions by Anthem to get ARC to run on my Vista laptop. If that doesn't work, I'll drag the desktop downstairs (pain in the butt) and run it again.
post #13759 of 40748
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Originally Posted by uppacreek View Post

Although the Secrets review was very good, I thought the comment on the crossover settings was strange as well. My ARC results for Mains and Center at 50, surrounds at 60.

Did anybody on the board here actually experience a "hole" with the sub low-pass below the high-pass for the mains?

My crossovers were set at 55 mains and center, 65 surrounds. Maybe it just shows that not all speakers will work well in a given room. I bet there are plenty of people with big speakers in small rooms that if they run ARC would get "weird" crossover points.
post #13760 of 40748
Well, after 28 days without my D2, it finally arrived back to me on Monday from Anthem. I guess 28 days is not bad since it had to cross the border 2 times. Anyway, I have everything hooked and ready to go. So, last night I ran my ARC, and everything went well. However, when I did the upload, it didn't upload everything correctly. I noticed in the Target View that my sub cross over for Movie was 80, and the sub cross over for Music was 70. After the upload, which was successful according to the pop-up, the sub cross was the same for Movie and Music which was 80. I wonder what else didn't upload successful hhmmmm.... Anyway, I will try the upload again to see what happens. If it does the same thing, I will use my Win2000 machine, which has a dedicated serial cable connection, to upload.
post #13761 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by bool View Post

My crossovers were set at 55 mains and center, 65 surrounds. Maybe it just shows that not all speakers will work well in a given room. I bet there are plenty of people with big speakers in small rooms that if they run ARC would get "weird" crossover points.

Maybe but just about everyone who has posted here seems to have the crossovers set below 80hz. I'm really starting to wonder about Brian Florian's setup as it seems to be just the opposite of what most of us have experienced. Does Secrets list their reviewer's setup anywhere? I find the fact that he has a hole between the sub and the mains kind of bizarre. I'll second uppacreek's question; Has anyone else here had ARC set their Mains higher then the subs crossover? For that matter has anyone had ARC set their Mains above 80hz?
post #13762 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Maybe but just about everyone who has posted here seems to have the crossovers set below 80hz. I'm really starting to wonder about Brian Florian's setup as it seems to be just the opposite of what most of us have experienced. Does Secrets list their reviewer's setup anywhere? I find the fact that he has a hole between the sub and the mains kind of bizarre. I'll second uppacreek's question; Has anyone else here had ARC set their Mains higher then the subs crossover? For that matter has anyone had ARC set their Mains above 80hz?

ARC has set my mains at 30, center at 100, surrounds at 110, rears at 105, and sub at 80 for Movies and 75 for Music. ARC has never set my mains higher than my subs.
post #13763 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

From the review:

Uh????
Haven't most of us experienced just the opposite?
My crossovers were set quite low, Mains at 35, Center at 50, even the side & rear dipoles were set at 70/75.
I thought I saw others here who were pretty low too.

No this is audio system and room dependant. My crossover setting obtained with auto detect are at Mains at 40, Center at 150, even the side & Surrounds at 105.
post #13764 of 40748
I'm getting ready to ship my D1 to Anthem to be upgraded to a D1-HD. Do you guys know if I need to send anything other than the D1 itself such as the power cord for the D1. I've heard stories of people not getting power cords back when sending in equipment for service. thanks Rob
post #13765 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by Tolstoi View Post

No this is audio system and room dependant. My crossover setting obtained with auto detect are at Mains at 40, Center at 150, even the side & Surrounds at 105.

Not sure I understand the reply...
Your Mains are at 40 seems to back up what I'm saying. I realize of course it is going to be system and room dependent, but just about everyone here is saying their mains and often the center and surrounds are being set quite low. Where as the article says "ARC will tend to use higher frequencies than people would expect, sometimes much higher". From what I have seen in my system and most postings here is just the opposite.

Also to my knowledge no one here has reported a hole between their Mains and subwoofer. If would be interesting if we knew more about his room and speakers but his results don't appear to be consistent with what most of us have been seeing.
post #13766 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by rkphelps View Post

I'm getting ready to ship my D1 to Anthem to be upgraded to a D1-HD. Do you guys know if I need to send anything other than the D1 itself such as the power cord for the D1. I've heard stories of people not getting power cords back when sending in equipment for service. thanks Rob

I sent my D2 back to Anthem, and I only sent my D2 and the power cord. When it returned, the power cord was in the box too. My complete turn around took 28 days.
post #13767 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by rkphelps View Post

I'm getting ready to ship my D1 to Anthem to be upgraded to a D1-HD. Do you guys know if I need to send anything other than the D1 itself such as the power cord for the D1. I've heard stories of people not getting power cords back when sending in equipment for service. thanks Rob

Send back only the unit. All other accessories are available to Anthem techs.
post #13768 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Maybe but just about everyone who has posted here seems to have the crossovers set below 80hz. I'm really starting to wonder about Brian Florian's setup as it seems to be just the opposite of what most of us have experienced. Does Secrets list their reviewer's setup anywhere? I find the fact that he has a hole between the sub and the mains kind of bizarre. I'll second uppacreek's question; Has anyone else here had ARC set their Mains higher then the subs crossover? For that matter has anyone had ARC set their Mains above 80hz?

When my spacing between mic measurements was only about a foot, my xover for fronts were set to 150 by arc-1. When I spaced out the mic position to 2 feet apart, it set my xover for my fronts to 35. When my mic positioning was too close I got really weird response curves as well.

John
post #13769 of 40748
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Originally Posted by mr_fitz View Post

When my spacing between mic measurements was only about a foot, my xover for fronts were set to 150 by arc-1. When I spaced out the mic position to 2 feet apart, it set my xover for my fronts to 35. When my mic positioning was too close I got really weird response curves as well.

John

I suspect when the mic positions are too close together, ARC isn't seeing enough variation between locations to distinguish room response (which should vary significantly in the bass frequencies across spaced locations) with poor, inherent speaker performance, particularly in the bass range. So it mistakenly sees those speakers as poor bass performers and raises the crossover for them to keep from driving them in that frequency range.

It is also possible, I suppose, that you could be unlucky enough to hit the same nulls and peaks even at well spaced mic locations (again tricking ARC into thinking room response is actually poor speaker performance), but this should be rare.

I believe ARC also has some built-in logic to reject variations that are TOO great from location to location, as might happen if you set up the mic against a wall for example.

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Meanwhile, I'm not sure that ARC is all that good at detecting speakers that go low, but only with distortion. I'm pretty sure ARC assumes that normal volume drop-off from such speakers (as frequency decreases) will happen before distortion kicks in. But I can imagine cases where that might not be what's happening.

And thus if you have some lesser performing speakers in your setup that just happen to put out a lot of distorted bass, ARC may set the crossovers lower than really makes sense for those. A typical rule of thumb for manual setups is to keep the crossover for a main speaker at or above twice the lowest rated frequency for that speaker (i.e., the lowest frequency it is rated to reproduce without significant distortion). Similar, the sub crossover should be at or below half its top rated frequency. The idea is to give some safety margin for quality reproduction beyond the cross over since cross overs are not hard cutoffs.

Again, these are just rules of thumb. But if you find ARC being too optimistic about what your speakers or sub can do, you might want to split the difference between what ARC chooses and the rule of thumb and see how that sounds once you recalculate and re-upload the ARC results.

(This is for all you D2 owners who are using spare "boom boxes" as surround speakers...)
--Bob
post #13770 of 40748
Quote:
Originally Posted by bool View Post

I knew I should have saved the settings to installer settings! I started to play around with the crossover settings in the setup menu and things sounded different. They did not sound bad, just not right. I thought it would only affect the sound with Room EQ off. Well, this will force me to run ARC again and try the new suggestions by Anthem to get ARC to run on my Vista laptop. If that doesn't work, I'll drag the desktop downstairs (pain in the butt) and run it again.

If you like your previous results, you can just have ARC re-Upload the prior results for you.

Run ARC in the Advanced mode, open the saved file containing your last set of ARC calculations, and tell ARC to Upload that. No need to remeasure.

This will undo any changes you made in the Setup menu to cross overs and speaker levels since you last Uploaded ARC results.
--Bob
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