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post #1561 of 40759
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Originally Posted by rudolpht View Post

That's a hard one to answer, only because it's hard to describe. It's (searching for analogies) as flexible as about any 1/4" braided shielded cable, but comes in multiple lengths. Guessing about the same flexibility as shielded RG-59 cable to use a different cable comparison. I know there are perpendicular adaptors for tight spots.

Tim

Thank you

So the same as Blue Jeans Cable
post #1562 of 40759
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Originally Posted by nkb View Post

I have had my replacement D2(#5) for a day now. It works fine except once it gets hot, accessing the setup menu is a problem(flashes on and off, colors washed out).

I also experienced a couple of times when switching between HD and non HD channels on SAT that I would only have a blue screen and no audio either. Switching to another source and back to SAT cures the problem.

Looking for fan suggestions. I remember someone posted pictures a while back but I think that thread got booted off.

Experience with Zbreeze anyone? Seems a bit pricey.

Can you describe the environment of your D2? For example, how much open ventilation do you have around the D2, what's the ambient temperature in the room, are there other heat producing components around the D2, etc.

My D2 has a good 7" above it, and is well ventilated. It's open in the back and perforated steel to the left, right, and front. My D2 feels barely warm to the touch.
post #1563 of 40759
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Originally Posted by randman View Post

Can you describe the environment of your D2? For example, how much open ventilation do you have around the D2, what's the ambient temperature in the room, are there other heat producing components around the D2, etc.

My D2 has a good 7" above it, and is well ventilated. It's open in the back and perforated steel to the left, right, and front. My D2 feels barely warm to the touch.

Randman,

Fair question.

For testing, I currently have the D2 sitting in the middle of the room, no cabinet, no other heat generating equipment. Open in every direction but sitting on a hard surface. The ambient temperature is 73 F. I do not have air conditioning in that room - not really needed as it very, very rarely approaches an ambient 80. (I am in Northern California, well insulated new house, no major sunlight incursion into the room.)

Even out in the open, the D2 still gets hot and eventually the setup video degrades. If I take an external household fan and direct it on the D2, it cools down to "cool to the touch" in a couple of minutes. Then the setup video returns. Unfortunately, it is not just the setup screen. Last night after watching an SD movie from SAT for 2+ hours the video processing on 480i started producing a jittery image. HD was OK. Again directing a fan on the unit, cured the problem.

This D2 seems more sensitive to heat than its 4 predecessors (when they worked). So I definitely do not think that Anthem has made any changes/inroads on the cooling issues.

I haven't checked it scientifically but suspect that when not doing video processing that the overheating problem is not as severe.

You say your D2 is "well ventilated". Do you have forced air or just relying on convection and ample space around it? Do you have space below the unit as well, I couldn't tell from your post. Mine is just sitting on its feet on a surface.

After 5 units, there is not much to say about the "quality" and design of this unit. It is clearly thermally challenged. Your experience may vary ... but the design is just not robust.

I will get a fan and hope that the unit stays operating. Probably one of the stackable kind, as recommended.

Holding the modern day record for returned D2's at 4, I will not be going for 5.

Clearly, I remain disappointed with this whole D2 saga. Anthem has listened to me all the way through and been responsive. They have even (apparently) changed the HDMI jacks based upon my recommendations and perhaps others. BTW, I have not had any problems with the new HDMI jacks - so that is a step in the right direction.
post #1564 of 40759
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Originally Posted by nkb View Post

Randman,

Fair question.

For testing, I currently have the D2 sitting in the middle of the room, no cabinet, no other heat generating equipment. Open in every direction but sitting on a hard surface. The ambient temperature is 73 F. I do not have air conditioning in that room - not really needed as it very, very rarely approaches an ambient 80. (I am in Northern California, well insulated new house, no major sunlight incursion into the room.)

Even out in the open, the D2 still gets hot and eventually the setup video degrades. If I take an external household fan and direct it on the D2, it cools down to "cool to the touch" in a couple of minutes. Then the setup video returns. Unfortunately, it is not just the setup screen. Last night after watching an SD movie from SAT for 2+ hours the video processing on 480i started producing a jittery image. HD was OK. Again directing a fan on the unit, cured the problem.

This D2 seems more sensitive to heat than its 4 predecessors (when they worked). So I definitely do not think that Anthem has made any changes/inroads on the cooling issues.

I haven't checked it scientifically but suspect that when not doing video processing that the overheating problem is not as severe.

You say your D2 is "well ventilated". Do you have forced air or just relying on convection and ample space around it? Do you have space below the unit as well, I couldn't tell from your post. Mine is just sitting on its feet on a surface.

After 5 units, there is not much to say about the "quality" and design of this unit. It is clearly thermally challenged. Your experience may vary ... but the design is just not robust.

I will get a fan and hope that the unit stays operating. Probably one of the stackable kind, as recommended.

Holding the modern day record for returned D2's at 4, I will not be going for 5.

Clearly, I remain disappointed with this whole D2 saga. Anthem has listened to me all the way through and been responsive. They have even (apparently) changed the HDMI jacks based upon my recommendations and perhaps others. BTW, I have not had any problems with the new HDMI jacks - so that is a step in the right direction.

Greetings,

nkb, I sympathize with your situation. I have been following your story and can understand your feelings. I hope that in the end your unit performs well with the added cooling and you can get to the business of enjoying it. You certainly deserve it.....


Regards,
post #1565 of 40759
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Originally Posted by nkb View Post

You say your D2 is "well ventilated". Do you have forced air or just relying on convection and ample space around it? Do you have space below the unit as well, I couldn't tell from your post. Mine is just sitting on its feet on a surface.

I rely on convection. My home has centralized A/C, and it's set at 68 degrees Fahrenheit. The D2 sits on a shelf (below the shelf are other units). There's about 7" of free space above the D2. Before purchasing my D2, I did some research on fans after reading this thread thinking that i might need one. I purchased one, but so far I haven't had to use it. I installed it anyway for extra insurance, but so far, my D2 has kept its cool.

The following are some fans that I saw while doing my research:

http://www.activethermal.com/

This company makes a number of interesting cooling products.
In the URL above, I purchased the COOL-IT mkII equipment cooler (haven't used it yet, but holding on to it for insurance - I may use it for an amplifier that I recently relocated from out in the open to a rack... plus, reading this thread makes me paranoid). I purchaesd the COOL-IT mkII from http://www.smarthome.com .


http://www.middleatlantic.com/rackac/cooling/uqfp.htm

In the URL above, I bought the UQFP-2 from http://www.performanceaudio.com/ . This is the fan that's currently sitting behind my D2. So far, I haven't used it yet, but keep it there for insurance (just in case my A/C is off and it gets hot in the house).

Middle Atlantic and Active Thermal Management both have quite a selection of fans. Some are relatively quiet, others less so. The Middle Atlantic fan that I got is 24db, which is pretty good. I can hear it if I'm close to it, but I wouldn't be able to hear it further away, especially with my projector's fan turned on.

nkb - hope you get your D2 to work. Best of luck.
post #1566 of 40759
It just occured to me, shouldn't I be able to apply a post processing format to 5.1 material (I am running a 5.1 system) such as PLIIx movies? My AVM-50 just shows 5.1 even though PLIIx movies is selected in the set up menu. When I push mode attempting to switch, the display says "Dolby D 5.1 input none".

I have been experimenting with my new HD-A1 and this is when I noticed this. With the Toshiba, it only shows 5.1 on the active display even though I have PLIIx movies selected. After pressing mode, the display reads "6.0 channel input none" with PLIIx movies selected. I then switched to my Moto 6412 cable box, turned to several 5.1 movie channels, and get the "Dolby D 5.1 input none".

The only red light I get to the left of the display with the cable box selected is DD.

I don't get any red lights when playing the Toshiba.

Am I missing something or is this correct?
post #1567 of 40759
How is your A1 connected? HDMI, S/PDIF or analog 5.1?
What do you have the A1 setup to output? Auto, PCM, Bitstream, Downsampled PCM?
post #1568 of 40759
Quick question. I am sure it's a setting but I am getting drop outs while playing cds on my Pioneer 79avi. I have the D2 set to HDMI in for audio with the repeater off. The pioneer is set at 1080i with none of the fancy schmancy stuff on. It occurs on all formats.
post #1569 of 40759
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Originally Posted by yatchaks View Post

It just occured to me, shouldn't I be able to apply a post processing format to 5.1 material (I am running a 5.1 system) such as PLIIx movies? My AVM-50 just shows 5.1 even though PLIIx movies is selected in the set up menu. When I push mode attempting to switch, the display says "Dolby D 5.1 input none".

I have been experimenting with my new HD-A1 and this is when I noticed this. With the Toshiba, it only shows 5.1 on the active display even though I have PLIIx movies selected. After pressing mode, the display reads "6.0 channel input none" with PLIIx movies selected. I then switched to my Moto 6412 cable box, turned to several 5.1 movie channels, and get the "Dolby D 5.1 input none".

The only red light I get to the left of the display with the cable box selected is DD.

I don't get any red lights when playing the Toshiba.

Am I missing something or is this correct?

If you only have 5 speakers the D2 won't dp PLIIX - at least that was my experience when I was redoing my room and only had 5 for a while. As soon as I selected 7 the PLIIX showed up.
post #1570 of 40759
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

Quick question. I am sure it's a setting but I am getting drop outs while playing cds on my Pioneer 79avi. I have the D2 set to HDMI in for audio with the repeater off. The pioneer is set at 1080i with none of the fancy schmancy stuff on. It occurs on all formats.

Its not D2
I have the same problem with my 79AVi
All CD's work fine on oppo
post #1571 of 40759
I just got the Oppo DVD player (970HD I believe) and tried connection it via HDMI to HDMI 3 causing the picture to blink every 5 seconds or so. This doesn't happen on HDMI 4.
From reading some of the prior posts, it looks like I have the older style HDMI ports. From what I can tell, there doesn't appear to be any bent posts on HDMI 3 though. Has Anthem been swaping out broken HDMI ports?
Also, a simple question. I have the D2 to ouput 1080p to my new Sony SXRD TV. The picture from the Oppo looks good but am not sure if it's actually being scaled to 1080p. Is there a way to check? Thanks.

Dave
post #1572 of 40759
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

If you only have 5 speakers the D2 won't dp PLIIX - at least that was my experience when I was redoing my room and only had 5 for a while. As soon as I selected 7 the PLIIX showed up.

This is correct
PLIIX is an extension of PLII
PLII is for 5.1
where PLIIx is for 6.1 and up
if you only have 5 speakers selected PLIIx will not kick in
IF you decide to select any back speakers on D2 than PLIIx will kick in, but if you don't have speakers hooked up you will have missing sound out of surround speakers. What PLIIx does is separates sound out of surround speakers and sends it to back speaker/s which makes a complete sound
Imagine taking out your centre channel and not disabling it in D2.
that would be the same thing.
Hope this helps
post #1573 of 40759
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Originally Posted by elmac View Post

Its not D2
I have the same problem with my 79AVi
All CD's work fine on oppo


As long as I leave the TV on it seems not to be a problem. The cds play pretty smoothly and the drop outs are only a few but I think that as I experiment they are happening when my set fully powers down and at the very moment the cooling fan shuts off. I see now that it is doing it then every time...I will keep listening to see if it plays smoothly afterwards.
post #1574 of 40759
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Originally Posted by dsm363 View Post

I just got the Oppo DVD player (970HD I believe) and tried connection it via HDMI to HDMI 3 causing the picture to blink every 5 seconds or so. This doesn't happen on HDMI 4.
From reading some of the prior posts, it looks like I have the older style HDMI ports. From what I can tell, there doesn't appear to be any bent posts on HDMI 3 though. Has Anthem been swaping out broken HDMI ports?
Also, a simple question. I have the D2 to ouput 1080p to my new Sony SXRD TV. The picture from the Oppo looks good but am not sure if it's actually being scaled to 1080p. Is there a way to check? Thanks.

Dave

Press number 7 on your Anthem Remote and hold it for about 5 sec go to info that will tell you your ins and outs
Did you try 1 or 2 inputs to see what happens
also what software are you running on D2
post #1575 of 40759
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Originally Posted by elmac View Post

Press number 7 on your Anthem Remote and hold it for about 5 sec go to info that will tell you your ins and outs
Did you try 1 or 2 inputs to see what happens
also what software are you running on D2

porst 1 and 2 work fine. I've got my Sony DVD player in 1 and a DVR in 2.
Looks like my model is a early model too from the serial number.
If it does turn out to be broken, hopefully I can get it fixed.
post #1576 of 40759
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

As long as I leave the TV on it seems not to be a problem. The cds play pretty smoothly and the drop outs are only a few but I think that as I experiment they are happening when my set fully powers down and at the very moment the cooling fan shuts off. I see now that it is doing it then every time...I will keep listening to see if it plays smoothly afterwards.

This is a common thing with HDMI connectors
PIO is looking for TV/PJ to shake hands and what its seeing is D2
As per pioneer this will be corrected in their next model of DVD player (which doesn't make sense )
post #1577 of 40759
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Originally Posted by dsm363 View Post

porst 1 and 2 work fine. I've got my Sony DVD player in 1 and a DVR in 2.
Looks like my model is a early model too from the serial number.
If it does turn out to be broken, hopefully I can get it fixed.

Check with Nick,
But they still use same connectors, so unless yours is damage they will not touch the connectors.
Also what software are you running and did you try to plug in your sony DVD to 3 to see if it works?
post #1578 of 40759
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Originally Posted by elmac View Post

This is correct
PLIIX is an extension of PLII
PLII is for 5.1
where PLIIx is for 6.1 and up
if you only have 5 speakers selected PLIIx will not kick in
IF you decide to select any back speakers on D2 than PLIIx will kick in, but if you don't have speakers hooked up you will have missing sound out of surround speakers. What PLIIx does is separates sound out of surround speakers and sends it to back speaker/s which makes a complete sound
Imagine taking out your centre channel and not disabling it in D2.
that would be the same thing.
Hope this helps

Or just a little additional.

PLII is a digital synthesis of analog 2 channel Dolby ProLogic conversion (coded or not coded) to 5.1.

PLIIx is smart enough to use DD 5.1 as distinct 5.1 separation, and apply the synthesis to the surround back 1 or 2 channels, depending on 6 or 7 speakers.

The display analogy (which I hate when it shows up) is showing NEO:6 on DTS non-ES streams with 6 or 7 speakers. I never like NEO:6 2 channel analog conversion so I hate to see it show up on 5.1 DTS material.
post #1579 of 40759
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

As long as I leave the TV on it seems not to be a problem. The cds play pretty smoothly and the drop outs are only a few but I think that as I experiment they are happening when my set fully powers down and at the very moment the cooling fan shuts off. I see now that it is doing it then every time...I will keep listening to see if it plays smoothly afterwards.

Greetings,

Try setting the Repeater to On (Yes). This should take care fo the problem. I had the same issue with the Oppo. If my projector was on there was no problem playing DVD Audio/CD etc. If the projector was off I got nothing. Switching the Repeater from Off (No) to On (Yes) took care of it.

Regards,
post #1580 of 40759
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Originally Posted by dsm363 View Post

I just got the Oppo DVD player (970HD I believe) and tried connection it via HDMI to HDMI 3 causing the picture to blink every 5 seconds or so. This doesn't happen on HDMI 4.
From reading some of the prior posts, it looks like I have the older style HDMI ports. From what I can tell, there doesn't appear to be any bent posts on HDMI 3 though. Has Anthem been swaping out broken HDMI ports?
Also, a simple question. I have the D2 to ouput 1080p to my new Sony SXRD TV. The picture from the Oppo looks good but am not sure if it's actually being scaled to 1080p. Is there a way to check? Thanks.

Dave

Greetings,

The Oppo is sensitive to the power up sequence. Be sre that your display and the Anthem are powered up BEFORE you power on the Oppo. If you power on the Oppo first the blinking occurs. Just another suggestion.

Regards,
post #1581 of 40759
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Originally Posted by placidman View Post

The Oppo is sensitive to the power up sequence. Be sre that your display and the Anthem are powered up BEFORE you power on the Oppo.

This applies to everything else also. It should always be the display first, then the D2, and then all the sources.
post #1582 of 40759
Thanks guys, I appreciate the input. I guess the only processing I can apply to 5.1 material when using a 5.1 system is THX.


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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

How is your A1 connected? HDMI, S/PDIF or analog 5.1?
What do you have the A1 setup to output? Auto, PCM, Bitstream, Downsampled PCM?

A1 connected via HDMI/PCM.
post #1583 of 40759
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Originally Posted by elmac View Post

Check with Nick,
But they still use same connectors, so unless yours is damage they will not touch the connectors.
Also what software are you running and did you try to plug in your sony DVD to 3 to see if it works?

I'm running 1.06h and the Sony doesn't work on HDMI 3 either. I'll have to e-mail Anthem.

Dave
post #1584 of 40759
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Originally Posted by placidman View Post

Greetings,

Try setting the Repeater to On (Yes). This should take care fo the problem. I had the same issue with the Oppo. If my projector was on there was no problem playing DVD Audio/CD etc. If the projector was off I got nothing. Switching the Repeater from Off (No) to On (Yes) took care of it.

Regards,

It does it with the repeater to 'yes' also. After extended listening though it is only doing it the one time when my tv does its final shutdown. if I go into CD mode just from scratch with the TV off from the get go , I get no drops at all. I can live with that.
post #1585 of 40759
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post

This applies to everything else also. It should always be the display first, then the D2, and then all the sources.

How would a cable box or satellite box fit in this sequence? Most people leave these item on all the time for recording purposes.
post #1586 of 40759
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Originally Posted by yatchaks View Post

How would a cable box or satellite box fit in this sequence? Most people leave these item on all the time for recording purposes.

Greetings,

Actually my Scientific Atlanta 8300HD DVR/STB does not have to powered On to record. Some of the older boxes I have had in the past did but tis one does not. In most cases the Anthem and display should already BE powered on prior to source components. The exception would be a music player which would not necessaily require to display be on when listening to music.

My Denon 3910 and 8300HD have no such issues. It does not matter which is powered on first. If I switched inputs on the Anthem they search for an active HDMI signal until I switch back. In that case they simply reaquire the signal.


Regards,
post #1587 of 40759
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Originally Posted by placidman View Post

Greetings,

Actually my Scientific Atlanta 8300HD DVR/STB does not have to powered On to record. Some of the older boxes I have had in the past did but tis one does not. In most cases the Anthem and display should already BE powered on prior to source components. The exception would be a music player which would not necessaily require to display be on when listening to music.

My Denon 3910 and 8300HD have no such issues. It does not matter which is powered on first. If I switched inputs on the Anthem they search for an active HDMI signal until I switch back. In that case they simply reaquire the signal.


Regards,

Thanks Ralph,

I'll look my cable box up to see it it will turn on by itself. Perhaps this will eliminate the "green screen" I get after watching another HDMI source and switching back to the cable box.
post #1588 of 40759
Anyone know when Anthem is going to start offering the upgrade for older units? (D1, AVM-20/30).

I'm wanting to get my Toshiba A1 hooked up to HDMI sometime soon.
post #1589 of 40759
Pehaps after they catch up with the backlog of those of us waiting for replacement D2s?
post #1590 of 40759
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post


I remember reading somewhere that William Phelps, the famous calibrator, was having alot of problems with HDMI cables and 1080i/p signals with 1080p projectors, and that only some high-end optical cables and the Ultralink HDMI Pro were free of problems. All the other "regular" HDMI cables (RAM, PacificCable, Monoprice...) were having intermittent problems with 1080i/p.

Al

Are you saying that the Canadian D2 only likes to work with Canadian cables???.....LOL
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