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1st Stop at CEDIA this year.

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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

1st Stop at CEDIA this year.

Excellent! Keep us posted with more photos and information!

Kal
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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

1st Stop at CEDIA this year.

Lucky guy!!!! Keep us posted.
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Spending some time re-calibrating my video as I've have some odd picture things going on with my new projector. Question feeding my D2 from a Pioneer 59AVI. In the 59AVI thread, there are instructions on correcting a bug when using 480i (RGB encoding) so it passed WTW and BTB. Does this hold for 480i YCbCr as well?? or should I set it to the otherwise recommended PureCinema Auto2?
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Originally Posted by barhoram View Post

Spending some time re-calibrating my video as I've have some odd picture things going on with my new projector. Question feeding my D2 from a Pioneer 59AVI. In the 59AVI thread, there are instructions on correcting a bug when using 480i (RGB encoding) so it passed WTW and BTB. Does this hold for 480i YCbCr as well?? or should I set it to the otherwise recommended PureCinema Auto2?

As I recall, the 59avi (one of the first HDMI V1.0 devices) doesn't give you the option of HDMI 480i YCbCr output. You have to use HDMI RGB.

PureCinema has nothing to do with RGB vs. YCbCr. It has to do with how the player detects motion and chooses the best algorithm for de-interlacing the 480i coming off the disc to 480p (or higher). If you are using 480i output (as you should be) it will have no effect.
--Bob
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so where is the talk about D2 v2 with advanced decoding.
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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

so where is the talk about D2 v2 with advanced decoding.

That is YOUR JOB to come back from CEDIA with the UPDATES for us.
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add the following from version one plus

4 additional HDMI in 1 more out

new VXP9452 video processor

dual core audio DSP engines offers a total of 800 mips to decode al hd audio standards

supports 7.1

upgrade is 2K for current D2 owwners.

thought it would be out in about 60 days
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Bob,

Thanks for the reply. I'm pretty certain that it can...to quote the thread "would seem the HDMI Color Enhanced -vs- Standard changes between the RGB and YCbCr respectively, but ONLY if your display can be forced to accept only YCbCr via HDMI"

Can I force the D2 to accept RGB?

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

As I recall, the 59avi (one of the first HDMI V1.0 devices) doesn't give you the option of HDMI 480i YCbCr output. You have to use HDMI RGB.

PureCinema has nothing to do with RGB vs. YCbCr. It has to do with how the player detects motion and chooses the best algorithm for de-interlacing the 480i coming off the disc to 480p (or higher). If you are using 480i output (as you should be) it will have no effect.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by AnthemAVM View Post

add the following from version one plus

4 additional HDMI in 1 more out

new VXP9452 video processor

dual core audio DSP engines offers a total of 800 mips to decode al hd audio standards

supports 7.1

upgrade is 2K for current D2 owwners.

thought it would be out in about 60 days

Are you reporting that Anthem has publicly announced this?
--Bob
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Bob,
got the word from Nick today that the new D2 V2 and AVM50 V2 are official.
Will have upgrades if need is there, prices around the $2500 for AVM 50. Since we now get close to 7.1 with PLIIx, decoding in our players, seems this is aimed at the market that seems to demand new,new,new not required, required, required. I'll stick with what I have.
John
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

That is YOUR JOB to come back from CEDIA with the UPDATES for us.

Oh he's doing even more: calls me in the middle of the day, at work, so he can rub in my face all the new features his D2 will be getting. "Where's your Lexicon now buddy!?!" Anyway, he said the MSRP is $7500, upgrade is between $2,000 and $2,500.

Sanjay
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

Oh he's doing even more: calls me in the middle of the day, at work, so he can rub in my face all the new features his D2 will be getting. "Where's your Lexicon now buddy!?!" Anyway, he said the MSRP is $7500, upgrade is between $2,000 and $2,500.

Sanjay

I thought Mike was pulling our leg and making things up

But I see from JayRay's previous post - he is not.

--- For Anthem
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Originally Posted by sdurani View Post

Oh he's doing even more: calls me in the middle of the day, at work, so he can rub in my face all the new features his D2 will be getting. "Where's your Lexicon now buddy!?!" Anyway, he said the MSRP is $7500, upgrade is between $2,000 and $2,500.

Sanjay

The new product price is not bad at all considering it likely includes ARC as well.

The upgrade is in line with what I would expect given that the video board is the single most expensive replaceable piece in the D2 and the DSP also has to be changed.

I wonder whether they are going to stick with 5.1 analog input?

I also wonder whether the decoders for TrueHD and DTS-HD MA will be included at first ship?

By the way, for anybody wondering, I still think it is better to send HDMI LPCM to these beasties.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

By the way, for anybody wondering, I still think it is better to send HDMI LPCM to these beasties.
--Bob

I AGREE
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Here's the Sigma Designs press release from when this new video processor chip was announced last April. Note that Sigma Designs acquired the Gennum video processor business in February, 2008:

http://www.reuters.com/article/press...008+BW20080414

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Sigma Announces New Studio-Quality Video Imaging Solution for Professional Applications
Mon Apr 14, 2008 6:00am EDT

Latest Extension of VXP Technology Offers a Dual Channel Solution
With 12-Bit Processing for Applications Demanding the Highest Quality

LAS VEGAS--(Business Wire)--
Sigma Designs (Nasdaq:SIGM), a leader in digital media processing
system-on-chip (SoC) solutions for consumer electronics, today
announced the new VXP9452 processor, an advanced video imaging
processor that offers two fully separable video processing channels
each featuring full 12-bit input and output support. As the latest
extension of the world renowned VXP(R) product line which is used by
the leading digital broadcast TV, cinema studios and home theatre
manufacturers, the VXP9452 is intended for use in audio/video
receivers, video/image processors, cinema/home theatre projectors and
professional monitors. Announced at this year's 2008 NAB Show in Las
Vegas, the VXP9452 further extends Sigma's leadership in media
processing technology for advanced high definition, studio quality
consumer electronics.

"The VXP9452 enables Sigma to expand into the professional image
processing market by offering broadcast studio quality in an IC for
very precise, high-end applications," said David Lynch, VP & GM Image
Processing Products, Sigma Designs. "Since VXP technology represents
the premier video processing solution for professional applications,
it will eventually create a prestigious extension of our industry
leading consumer SoCs as well."

The VXP9452 is the first processor to introduce 12-bit processing
power, which delivers an extremely crisp picture to professional
video/image processors and converters, audio/video receivers,
professional monitors, and multi-viewer systems. The product comes
with two completely separable premium video channels with all VXP
processing enhancements available on both channels simultaneously. The
channels can be combined via a simple Field-Programmable Gate Array
(FPGA) to provide an excellent 4k x 2k image.

The highly precise 12-bit processing at both the input and output
provides peerless 12-bit images and delivers advanced picture
enhancement capabilities for noise reduction, compression artifact
removal, adaptive contrast and detail enhancement - all the features
cinema and broadcast TV studios and consumer electronics manufacturers
are used to achieving with VXP technology. Further product
enhancements include an 8-axis selective color correction to smoothly
compensate for display color imperfections and improved cadence
detection to support non-standard formats (e.g. 6:4, 5:5, 8:7,
2:2:2:4, 2:3:3:2, 3:2:3:2:2) as well as both interlace and progressive
film.

Additional features of the VXP9452 include motion and edge
adaptive de-interlacing, robust film cadence detection providing fast
3:2/2:2 lock time, adaptive 2D and 3D noise reduction, adaptive block
and mosquito compression artifact reduction, multi-tap 2D scaling
engine, adaptive detail enhancement with over/under shoot control, and
adaptive contrast enhancement. In addition, the VXP9452 comes with a
wide range of multi-standard support for all digital television (DTV)
and PC graphics formats.

VXP technology uses the most advanced image processing algorithms
available to deliver crisp, natural looking, artifact-free images on
displays of virtually any size. Fully compatible with previous VXP
processors, the VXP9452 uses the VIPER VXP Device Configuration Tool
to produce product implementations quickly and easily.

Editors Note: Since Sigma's acquisition of Gennum's VXP(R) Image
Processing business in February 2008, the VXP9452 marks the first
product announcement of Sigma's VXP video imaging processing series of
products.

VXP technology delivers unprecedented image quality

Developed from its broadcast heritage, VXP technology contains
robust algorithms that ensure outstanding image quality. The high
precision color processing means more than one billion colors are used
for eye-catching, natural images and uncompromised video quality. At
the heart of the technology is motion adaptive de-interlacing with
dynamic directional interpolation, which removes jagged edges that can
result from motion in HD and SD interlaced formats. Enabling the up or
down scale of SD and HD formats, the programmable scaling engine
ensures the proper enlargement and reduction of the images without any
loss of quality. Coupled with advanced image enhancement algorithms in
a low-power, low-latency architecture, Sigma's solutions comprise the
most advanced single-chip image processors on the market today.

About Sigma Designs, Inc.

Sigma Designs is a leading fabless provider of highly integrated
system-on-chip, or SoC, solutions that are used to deliver multimedia
entertainment throughout the home. Sigma's SoC solutions combine its
semiconductors and software and are a critical component of multiple
high-growth, consumer applications that process digital video and
audio content, including internet protocol TV, or IPTV, high
definition DVD players, high definition TVs, or HDTVs, and portable
media players. Headquartered in Milpitas, Calif., Sigma Designs also
has sales representatives in the United States, Belgium, China, Japan
and Taiwan and sells its products through a third-party distributor in
Korea. For more information, please visit Sigma Designs' web site at
www.sigmadesigns.com.

Sigma Designs, Inc.
Ken Lowe, 408-957-9850
kal@sdesigns.com
or
Atomic PR
Allyson Stinchfield, 415-402-0230
allyson@atomicpr.com

Copyright Business Wire 2008

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ETA: Here's the link to the product info page for this processor on the Sigma Designs web site:

http://www.sigmadesigns.com/public/P...2/VXP9452.html

ETA 2: Obviously this new processor is capable of handling "Deep Color" if the HDMI chips on the new board are HDMI V1.3 (which must be the case since the new unit will allow bitstreaming), but I see no specific mention of support for xv.YCC color space.

--Bob
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walt here.
soma of us have used sound attenuation materials and techniques from recognized companies.
(rives: acoustic sciences, et.al.)
looking for feedback on the results.
i recognize this is not the venue for a full discussion.
but, a short line on happiness, or lack of, for YOUR company is appreciated.
thx
walt
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

By the way, for anybody wondering, I still think it is better to send HDMI LPCM to these beasties.
--Bob

Bob... I haven't been following this thread lately, but just curious as to the why? Do you also think it better to decode DD and DTS in a DVD player, and if not, why the "double" standard..

For the multitude of receivers I've gone through over the last 12 months, I've been happier to do the decoding in the receiver if not just for the ability to have OSD access to information about the track... in my listening tests, I've found no sonic differences in regards to DD+ or TrueHD...

Just curious...

And now that I'm back in my old house (the one I tried to sell which forced my D2 sale) the timing couldn't be better.. D2 V2 might have to be my next processor..
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Here is the official press release from Anthem for the "D2 v.2" -- hot off the press:

http://www.castercomm.com/prView.cfm?cid=111&id=208

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Anthem, part of Paradigm Electronics Inc, is a leading manufacturer of award-winning high-end electronics for music, home theater, and distributed sound systems, sold internationally under the brand names Anthem® and Anthem® Statement. Anthem products are used at all levels of music reproduction and allow you to virtually "be there" every time you listen to a favorite piece of recorded music or experience the excitement of surround-sound home theater. Headquarters are Mississauga, Canada. Anthem® and Anthem® Statement are trademarks of Anthem/Sonic Frontiers International.


UPGRADES TO ANTHEM'S STATEMENT D2 MAKE IT A PROCESSING AND PEFORMANCE SUPERPOWER

More connections, better A/V processing and support for the latest audio formats make v.2 of the acclaimed D2 preamplifier/processor an A/V-phile's dream.

Denver, CO - CEDIA EXPO 2008 - September 4-7, 2008 - Booth #938 - Anthem, a leading manufacturer of high-end electronics for music, home theater and distributed audio systems, announces the availability of version two of its award-winning Statement D2 audio/video processor. This next-generation model enhances the unparalleled performance features found in its first iteration with serious upgrades.

As a pioneer in the troubleshooting and integration of HDMITM, Anthem knows better than most how to utilize these connections to their fullest. V.2 of the Statement D2 is equipped with four additional HDMI inputs (for a total of eight) as well as one additional HDMI output (for a total of two), resulting in unprecedented connection capabilities for a preamplifier/processor. All inputs and outputs are HDMI 1.3c and offer Deep-Color support (36-bit) and high-definition audio streaming.

More connections are useful, of course, but performance is king. With that in mind, the Anthem Statement D2 v.2 delivers outstanding video enhancement courtesy of the updated VXP® digital image processor. This "latest-generation" processor offers two complete, independent 12-bit channels of professional-grade fully-adaptive deinterlacing. In addition, it includes adaptive 3D noise reduction, mosquito noise reduction, block artifact reduction, adaptive detail enhancement featuring sharpness and texture enhancement with overshoot control, and adaptive contrast enhancement. Its powerful, multi-layered graphics engine allows for sophisticated on-screen display generation that is ideal for electronic program guides (EPG) and set-up menus.

Audio performance on the Statement D2 v.2 is has been ramped up to meet the demands of emerging HD audio standards. Two dual-core digital signal processor (DSP) engines offer 800 MIPS (million instructions per second) of processing power to allow eight-channel decoding of new HD audio standards like Dolby® Digital Plus, Dolby TrueHD, DTS-HDTM High-Resolution Audio and DTS-HDTM Master Audio. The Anthem Statement D2 v.2 also supports DVD audio in 7.1 format up to 192 kHz.

Anthem's new Room Correction System (ARC-1TM) will also be a standard feature on all Statement D2 v.2 preamplifier/processors. While equalizing frequency response in a room to achieve some generic (i.e. "flat") response is a common approach to solving the problem, it will result in an unnatural spectral balance since it does not take into account the human hearing system. Anthem's approach is a true audiophile solution: Anthem Room Correction differs from other systems in that it uses proprietary processing to compute each speaker's in-room frequency response and then computes a target frequency response for each to yield the optimal sound.

Estimated U.S. FMV for the Anthem Statement D2 v.2 is $7999. For more information, please visit www.anthemav.com.

*Key features of VXPTM technology include: • Superior image quality using per-pixel processing. • Very robust film mode detection. • TruMotionHDTM Adaptive De-Interlacing to ensure optimal image sharpness and picture resolution when converting 480i, 576i and 1080i inputs to progressive scan. • FineEdgeTM Dynamic Directional Interpolation to eliminate jaggy artifacts (i.e. temporal distortion) found in traditional de-interlacing algorithms. • FidelityEngineTM Image Enhancements to remove unwanted noise and improve detail. • RealityExpansionTM True 10-Bit Image Processing for eye-catching natural imagery.

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ETA: Note that the HDMI is V1.3c (8 in, 2 out). I still see no mention of xv.YCC color space support.

--Bob
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Beauty shot for the Anthem Statement D2 v.2. Note the logos:



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ETA: The Back Panel shot they have up on their PR site is still the original D2 back panel at the moment.

--Bob
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Anthem also has a press release on ARC for the AVM-40 and AVM-50 (dated 9/1) on their PR agency site, but it doesn't appear to include any new information beyond what we've already discussed here.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Bob... I haven't been following this thread lately, but just curious as to the why? Do you also think it better to decode DD and DTS in a DVD player, and if not, why the "double" standard..

The Blu-Ray format is designed for decoding to happen in the player, and for studios to author discs that take advantage of the additional features that enables (not only audio, but video and interactivity).

I believe bitstreaming for Blu-Ray audio is a passing fad. This should all become clear by Christmas 2010 as things settle down and studios get more aggressive with what they put on the discs to better compete against downloadable content.

This is not to say that decoders will vanish from receivers, nor that analog connections will disappear. Rather it will just become accepted that the "normal" way to do it will be HDMI LPCM after decoding in the player.

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The difference of course is that back when SD-DVD stuff solidified there was no way to get high quality DIGITAL audio to the receiver if the player did the decoding. And of course it was silly to pay for high quality analog BOTH in the player and in the receiver. So decoding, quite naturally, moved into the receivers. It's too late to change the SD-DVD world but the Blu-Ray world is very different.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Here is the official press release from Anthem for the "D2 v.2" -- hot off the press:

--Bob

Bob.. thanks for the link.... it's going to be an awesome piece... I can't wait to see the back with 10 HDMI ports

Now you gotta be straight with me... when you get your upgraded unit back from Anthem, you're going to be bitstreaming aren't you.

On another note, I am sure you will get some that will be critical that they chose to not add any of the dynamics/leveling techs... those same critics are those clamoring for pure, non touched, masters just so they can put them through dynamics processing..

The only thing I've come to love from the bevy of products I've had in my system is HD Radio... I can live with out the satellite radio, internet radio and streaming, but I do like the new HD Radio..

I am hopeful I can once again be prancing around here alongside you other fine members... maybe even as the starter of the new "Owners" thread.. (for you Hank).
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Blu-Ray format is designed for decoding to happen in the player, and for studios to author discs that take advantage of the additional features that enables (not only audio, but video and interactivity).

I believe bitstreaming for Blu-Ray audio is a passing fad. This should all become clear by Christmas 2010 as things settle down and studios get more aggressive with what they put on the discs to better compete against downloadable content.

This is not to say that decoders will vanish from receivers, nor that analog connections will disappear. Rather it will just become accepted that the "normal" way to do it will be HDMI LPCM after decoding in the player.

Darn that advanced authoring.... I'm sure that some enterprising marketing exec will force the engineers to come up with a dual DSP engine BR player that will be able to decode HBR, mix it with secondary streams, and do a real time re-encode back into lossless.... it will be twice as good as the original, right?

Thanks for the, as always, well written reply... now when you going to come down and visit us in LaLa land?
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Bob... I haven't been following this thread lately, but just curious as to the why? Do you also think it better to decode DD and DTS in a DVD player, and if not, why the "double" standard..

For the multitude of receivers I've gone through over the last 12 months, I've been happier to do the decoding in the receiver if not just for the ability to have OSD access to information about the track... in my listening tests, I've found no sonic differences in regards to DD+ or TrueHD...

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Blu-Ray format is designed for decoding to happen in the player, and for studios to author discs that take advantage of the additional features that enables (not only audio, but video and interactivity).

I believe bitstreaming for Blu-Ray audio is a passing fad. This should all become clear by Christmas 2010 as things settle down and studios get more aggressive with what they put on the discs to better compete against downloadable content.

This is not to say that decoders will vanish from receivers, nor that analog connections will disappear. Rather it will just become accepted that the "normal" way to do it will be HDMI LPCM after decoding in the player.

-------------------------------------

The difference of course is that back when SD-DVD stuff solidified there was no way to get high quality DIGITAL audio to the receiver if the player did the decoding. And of course it was silly to pay for high quality analog BOTH in the player and in the receiver. So decoding, quite naturally, moved into the receivers. It's too late to change the SD-DVD world but the Blu-Ray world is very different.
--Bob

My memory must be failing me, because I thought that you (Marc) were always one who said that having the player doing the decoding was the way to go, and part of the reason was basically that this was required due to the advanced authoring.

But now you are questioning that?

I'm just trying to understand what the issue is here, or if I am missing something? Are you implying that there are sonic improvements to be had by decoding in the processor instead of the player?
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Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin View Post

My memory must be failing me, because I thought that you (Marc) were always one who said that having the player doing the decoding was the way to go, and part of the reason was basically that this was required due to the advanced authoring.

But now you are questioning that?

I'm just trying to understand what the issue is here, or if I am missing something? Are you implying that there are sonic improvements to be had by decoding in the processor instead of the player?

I still share that opinion... I was just wondering what Bob's position was on it, that's all.. I share his opinion (i.e. the whole HDMI 1.3 thing) and hadn't chatted with anyone about it in a while.... I read more into his post than I should have.

The prevailing opinion spring-summer 2007 from all parties concerned behind the scenes was that it was all going to happen in player, as designed... as sales of the newer processors and receivers took off, those talking points faded away.. which made people feel the need to have the latest and greatest.. which they've done, and are doing, in droves...

Now that Sony, Pioneer, Yamaha, Denon, etc have sold receivers that can do internal decoding (and have either held off development on, or priced said models, BR players that can decode all formats, at a premium) they can revamp their line ups again over the next eighteen months to sell players to those new HBR decoding receiver owners who wonder why their new BD-Live enabled "High School Musical 3" disc with chatty Cathy over the internet interactivity doesn't work for their 8 year old daughters, or that they're only hearing the movie, etc..... should be fun.
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

I still share that opinion... I was just wondering what Bob's position was on it, that's all.. I share his opinion (i.e. the whole HDMI 1.3 thing) and hadn't chatted with anyone about it in a while.... I read more into his post than I should have.

The prevailing opinion spring-summer 2007 from all parties concerned behind the scenes was that it was all going to happen in player, as designed... as sales of the newer processors and receivers took off, those talking points faded away.. which made people feel the need to have the latest and greatest.. which they've done, and are doing, in droves...

Now that Sony, Pioneer, Yamaha, Denon, etc have sold receivers that can do internal decoding (and have either held off development on, or priced said models, BR players that can decode all formats, at a premium) they can revamp their line ups again over the next eighteen months to sell players to those new HBR decoding receiver owners who wonder why their new BD-Live enabled "High School Musical 3" disc with chatty Cathy over the internet interactivity doesn't work for their 8 year old daughters, or that they're only hearing the movie, etc..... should be fun.

None of that is in conflict with bitstreaming.

And sonically, they *should* be indentical. The only thing you can count on is that the bitstream will be perfect. As we've seen with HTPC players, they decode to LPCM, then corrupt the LPCM stream before sending it. I don't trust the players, I trust my pre-pro. Period.

And if there are bugs, I'd rather have one place to fix them then have a bunch of source devices to be fixed. Again, simpler.

And for the rare exceptions where they are going to merge audio, then fine, go with LPCM.

But when there isn't any merged audio, which there isn't on anything today, then it's bizarre to me to even suggest that converting to LPCM in the player makes any sense, versus bitstreaming. At best, it's the same, and at worst, the LPCM will be worse. You know, for sure, that the bitstream will be as good as it can be.

But the point with the D2V2 is that it didn't support any of this (LPCM 7.1 or HD codecs) until now. So whatever your position, you now have those options.
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Oh, and I just sent an e-mail to my dealer to get me one ASAP!
post #15899 of 40764
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The new product price is not bad at all considering it likely includes ARC as well.

Isn't it roughly the same as the current version (w/ARC)?

Sanjay
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

.I am hopeful I can once again be prancing around here alongside you other fine members... maybe even as the starter of the new "Owners" thread.. (for you Hank).

So Marc - is your D2v2 on Order yet?
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