Anthem D2/D2v/AVM50/AVM50v/ARC1 tweaking guide - Page 532

Originally Posted by xtrips

Well, I do own a 7.1 system. An I won't be having a BD player (maybe ever). My BD's play from a streamer so I'd prefer to have a better decoding than the internal one.
Are those sufficient reasons?

Thanks

Originally Posted by Mark Paquette

Any news for us lowly AVM30 owners who upgraded our units to AVM50?

Originally Posted by ASW

Will the D2V2 still require multiple inputs for multiple zones (e.g., requirement that you use composite connections for a composite Zone 2 or 3, S-video for S-video 2 or 3, etc.). I am assuming yes given what I have read, but the lack of video conversion in Zones 2 and 3 makes my back panel a mess with three connections required per source (and I note my old Pioneer Elite VSX-49TX could do video format conversions in multiple zones).

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

Poster JAYRAY met with Nick at Anthem yesterday and reported in this post that Nick said the AVM-50 v.2 was also official:

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...4#post14590504

[John, are you certain you reported that correctly?]

The Anthem press release only discusses the D2 v.2, but that could be because they didn't have a prototype AVM-50 v.2 to show at CEDIA.
--Bob

Originally Posted by CycloneMike

Bob - Thank you for the information!

The cost seemes kind of steep, especially for those that already upgraded to the current D2....

Next, I am a little dissapointed at not adding 7.1 analog inputs - I like my current SACD/DVD player and don't want to upgrade.

This may sound like a basic question, but will the two HDMI outputs work at the same time?

If so, can you select different video settings for each output simultaneously?

Can you have different inputs outputting from the two HDMI outputs simultaneously and with different settings? (i.e. - like a 2nd zone output).

I hope these question are clear.

Mike

Originally Posted by CycloneMike

Next, I am a little dissapointed at not adding 7.1 analog inputs - I like my current SACD/DVD player and don't want to upgrade.

Mike

Originally Posted by FilmMixer

Mike... why would you have to change the player? If you are using it's 5.1 analog outputs, what will you be missing in not having 7.1 analog?

just curious.. don't quite understand what you are looking for.

Originally Posted by xtrips

Hello,

After having had some misadventures lately where my D2 maybe was the cause (one mid-woofer coil burn and one tweeter seriously damaged) I am now back on track with almost brand new speakers.

So I ran ARC again but this time I made some modifications to the targets defined by ARC:
- For movie:

I used all my 7.1 speakers

Changed target freq from 5000 to 12000

Left the crossover points and gain as is

- For music:

I used only 2.1 speakers

Changed target freq from 5000 to 20000

Changed my L/R speaker cross point from 50 to 25

Changed my sub cross point from 120 to 60

Changed my gain from +0.000 (?????) to what was calculated for movie

Then I calculated and uploaded. I attached screenshots.
It sounds good.
What do you think of the procedure and settings?
Why do you think ARC set a value of +0.000 gain for music? To me it looks like a bug as I think that gain is room dependant and should be the same for both profile.

Thank you

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

Your Movie results look OK to me. It looks like you've got a pretty severe room null around 30 Hz (affecting all speakers), and that's left a residual between 20Hz and 30Hz in your subwoofer. Adjusting room treatments might help with that (or some minor repositioning of the subwoofer), but ARC has tamed most of it and you might want to just leave well enough alone.

Now your Measured curves for LF/RF don't show any Room Gain that I can pick up by eye, so it appears ARC has detected the Room Gain by relying on the center, side and rear curves.

But you aren't using any of those speakers in your Music configuration and so ARC doesn't see the results from them.

All 3 of the Measured curves for Music look much worse in bass than the same speakers for Movie. Did you use different mic locations for Music compared to Movie? Are your mic positions properly spread apart?

I can see based on these Measured curves why ARC didn't find a Room Gain. The curves make it look like you've got NEGATIVE Room Gain. Adjusting the Room Gain to match what Movie found was probably wise.

However the bad Calculated curves you've got are probably a result of pushing the crossovers down too close to that severe room Null you've got at 30Hz -- as well as forcing ARC to divert too much of its attention to the high frequencies.

So I think there may have been a problem in the way you took the Measurements for the Music pass, and I think you should NOT push the Max EQ Frequency up so far for Music, and I think you should NOT try to lower the LF/RF crossover the way you did for Music. Putting in the manual Room Gain change was likely a good idea.

You should give some thought as to what you might be able to do with room treatment or speaker repositioning regarding that room null at 30Hz. Also, you may have OVER treated the LF/RF speakers in the region from 50Hz to 150Hz. Flattening out what should have been their normal response to the Room Gain of your room.
--Bob

Originally Posted by xtrips

Good G., you're a mine of information.
Let's make this useful.
1- I know about the steep drop around 30Hz. But, as they say, whatamigonnadooo? I mean, what's the opposite of "Bass traps"?
2- Quote: "Now your Measured curves for LF/RF don't show any Room Gain that I can pick up by eye, so it appears ARC has detected the Room Gain by relying on the center, side and rear curves."
What do you mean? How can it be that the measurement for L+R didn't detect the same room gain? I think I misunderstand the Room gain.
3- I did use different positions for Music, of course. When I listen to music I am usually alone. So the positions are kind of 30+ cm away from my sitting position and about 90' apart from each other (center + 4 pos. at 360').
What should I do?
4- Quote: "you may have OVER treated the LF/RF speakers in the region from 50Hz to 150Hz. Flattening out what should have been their normal response to the Room Gain of your room."
How did I do that? How can I correct that?
5- My intention with the crossover points for music was to minimize the sub's presence and to maximize the use of my L+R as they truly are high-end speakers.
How would you achieve that better than me?

Thank you very much.

Originally Posted by yacht422

walt here. Wow. much ado since last i was here. exciting to be sure, but the deep color thing is what, years off for practical application? and, there is nothing included for picking the pebbles out of my tires
back to reality.
i am posting the fourth set of measurements, but, with questions.
(1) i compared charts b/4 and after changing the freq. range from 5K to 12K, and found the only change was in the center channel, and only at the 10K spot, and only a raise of maybe 5db. So, here is my question: do we need to preselect the range b/4 measuring? Or, can we, as i have done, measure at 5K, and THEN change the range to(12K) ? Should(will ) the results be different? Why?!
(2) note the sub line. what happened? all previous sub measurements have pretty much followed the target line. Now, I have the "bump".
(FYI) have moved the towers further out from the wall(now at the RIVES 20% distance) have also tuned the servo 15 to better agree with the towers sub woofers - (they are 8"ers, three per tower)
(perhaps i did a poor adjustment?! it's an audible thing, not a measured result)
Again, my appreciation.
walt

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

Additional D2 v.2 Info -- xv.YCC Color Space

I just got word from Nick that the D2 v.2 *WILL* support the xv.YCC color space (another optional feature of the HDMI V1.3 spec) in addition to Deep Color bit depth.

NOTE: The Sigma Designs video processor does its internal video manipulations in RGB and that means that there will be portions of the full xv.YCC color gamut that get clipped since they can't be represented in the RGB color gamut. This is not unlike many display and other video devices you will see out there that accept xv.YCC but can only reach a portion of the full gamut. Since there's no content that uses the full gamut this should not be an issue.
--Bob

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

Here's the Sigma Designs press release from when this new video processor chip was announced last April. Note that Sigma Designs acquired the Gennum video processor business in February, 2008:

http://www.reuters.com/article/press...008+BW20080414



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ETA: Here's the link to the product info page for this processor on the Sigma Designs web site:

http://www.sigmadesigns.com/public/P...2/VXP9452.html

ETA 2: Obviously this new processor is capable of handling "Deep Color" if the HDMI chips on the new board are HDMI V1.3 (which must be the case since the new unit will allow bitstreaming), but I see no specific mention of support for xv.YCC color space.

--Bob

Originally Posted by video_bit_bucket

Ok, I have emailed about the potential for and cost of a D1 to D2v2 upgrade. Will post the response.

If the DSP and VP are being replaced in the upgrade process does not look like there would be that much difference in bumping a D1 as compared to a D2, I hope.

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

Here is the official press release from Anthem for the "D2 v.2" -- hot off the press:

http://www.castercomm.com/prView.cfm?cid=111&id=208



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ETA: Note that the HDMI is V1.3c (8 in, 2 out). I still see no mention of xv.YCC color space support.

--Bob

Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau

IMPORTANT CORRECTION TO D2 v.2 INFO!

I just got word from Nick at Anthem retracting the earlier statement that the two HDMI outputs of the D2 v.2 could be set to different video output resolutions. Apparently they will only output the same signal.

I'm trying to clarify now whether that is a permanent restriction or just something peculiar to the first release firmware included at launch of the D2 v.2.
--Bob