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post #2731 of 42686
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

I finally found one note in the Sony Ruby Manual.

Memory Location # 9 is programmed to be

1080/24PsF which is 1080/48i and it can ONLY BE USED with COMPONENT Input!

That is what the MANUAL says.

I like Levesque's Answer Better - but I have never tried it.
I will when my Pioneer Blu-Ray Arrives.

I'm really stretching my memory on this one, but my recollection is that there was an upgrade to the Ruby that enhanced it's DVI capabilities. I do not recall if this was firmware or hardware, nor precisely what the improvement was supposed to accomplish, nor when Ruby's might have started shipping with this already in place.
--Bob
post #2732 of 42686
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I'm really stretching my memory on this one, but my recollection is that there was an upgrade to the Ruby that enhanced it's DVI capabilities. I do not recall if this was firmware or hardware, nor precisely what the improvement was supposed to accomplish, nor when Ruby's might have started shipping with this already in place.
--Bob

Hi Bob:

Mine is only three months old and if nothing else - the manual that
came with it - SAYS Component Only.
post #2733 of 42686
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I'm really stretching my memory on this one, but my recollection is that there was an upgrade to the Ruby that enhanced it's DVI capabilities. I do not recall if this was firmware or hardware, nor precisely what the improvement was supposed to accomplish, nor when Ruby's might have started shipping with this already in place.
--Bob

Hi Bob:

From a Sony Ruby Thread - here on AVS.

A sony Owner reached a executive from Sony USA - who was
very technically Competent and asked him LIVE - could the Ruby be
upgrade in ANY WAY to accept 1080p/24 as the Pearl does?

The ANSWER was NO WAY - the Pearl was Gen 3 hardware and was
totally different from the Gen 2 Ruby Hardware.

That still leaves the 48 question open for the Ruby however.
post #2734 of 42686
I think Bob should go out and pick up a A2 and let us know how it goes! Anyone else agree?
post #2735 of 42686
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Originally Posted by neff2k View Post

I think Bob should go out and pick up a A2 and let us know how it goes! Anyone else agree?

Bob Needs a BIG ROUND OF Cheers and Applause from all
of us on this thread.

His answers are timely and extremely detailed.

If he got HD DVD or Blu-Ray - he wouldn't have much time
for his responses here [GRIN]!
post #2736 of 42686
Thread Starter 
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I'm really stretching my memory on this one, but my recollection is that there was an upgrade to the Ruby that enhanced it's DVI capabilities. I do not recall if this was firmware or hardware, nor precisely what the improvement was supposed to accomplish, nor when Ruby's might have started shipping with this already in place.
--Bob

Bob, that was for the Sony Qualia, not the Ruby.
post #2737 of 42686
I am by no means near as up on this stuff as most in this thread but I do have the A2 and hope to have a D2 next week, so if and when I get my machine I will give my uneducated feedback.
post #2738 of 42686
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Originally Posted by neff2k View Post

By the way got a call from my dealer this morning with some very interesting information. Seems I am looking at mid to end of January before my AVM50 will be here. Something is fishy. That means it will be a couple weeks after CES. So what does Anthem have up their sleeves?

neff2k,
These machines are hand built and tested in Ontario, Canada ... with relatively low volume. I've been waiting 3.5 weeks for mine, and I'm still hopeful it will arrive before Christmas (but not really sure). If the pre-Christmas shipment is already allocated to dealers, your delay is probably just due to a holiday shutdown.
post #2739 of 42686
LEVESQUE? My mother-in-laws maiden name. Hopefully you aren't related or I lose all confidence in your opinions. JK
post #2740 of 42686
While I agree that Bob has been an excellent resource throughout these boards especially this thread, I give credit to a large amount of people here. Just reading this thread alone (On page 34 now), has helped me understand a lot of the fundamental points of audio/video. So thank you to all of you guys for your input. I hope you realize how much everyone appreciates it!

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Originally Posted by rhrhodes View Post

neff2k,
These machines are hand built and tested in Ontario, Canada ... with relatively low volume. I've been waiting 3.5 weeks for mine, and I'm still hopeful it will arrive before Christmas (but not really sure). If the pre-Christmas shipment is already allocated to dealers, your delay is probably just due to a holiday shutdown.

Yeah its not like I am suffering with my existing setup (Denon 3805). Just once you make the decision you can't wait to have it in your hands. Be sure to let us know when you get it.
post #2741 of 42686
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Originally Posted by neff2k View Post

While I agree that Bob has been an excellent resource throughout these boards especially this thread, I give credit to a large amount of people here. Just reading this thread alone (On page 34 now), has helped me understand a lot of the fundamental points of audio/video. So thank you to all of you guys for your input. I hope you realize how much everyone appreciates it!



Yeah its not like I am suffering with my existing setup (Denon 3805). Just once you make the decision you can't wait to have it in your hands. Be sure to let us know when you get it.

Wow, I also too currently own a 3805
post #2742 of 42686
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Bob Needs a BIG ROUND OF Cheers and Applause from all
of us on this thread.

His answers are timely and extremely detailed.
.
[GRIN]!

I can honestly say that Levesque and Bob have, with unbelievable patience helped many of us find the best ways to maximize the benefits of not only the D2 but the surrounding technology. My lifelong passion for home theater has been enhanced a thousandfold. Every time I catch one of your responses to a challenging question I learn a little bit more.

By the way, I finally read Levesque's review of the D2 and highly recommend it to anyone who wants a reasonably thorough overview. Well done Levesque. I actually believe that you were far more balanced than I would have been. I am in total awe of this technology and I know from listening to both you and Bob Pariseau that its only going to get better with a little more discipline on my part in following your advice and coaching.

I thank you both. My wife hates you both equally.............

Peter
post #2743 of 42686
I have 2 questions buried in this post. Thanks.

I put a system together almost 4 years ago. It's still an excellent system, but I want more. You fellow audio/videoholics know what I mean. Technology marches forward and I'm now trying to replace some of my equipment. I'm keeping my M&K speakers because this is a HT only system and I believe these are still the best speakers available for HT. SECRETS review by Collin Miller

I'm seriously looking at the 65" Panasonic 1080P plasma. It only does 1080P/60. I may wait to see what the new 65" 1080P Fujitsu can do. I now own a 50" Fujitsu and love it.

1. How important is it to wait until there is a 65" plasma (asuming that's the kind of display you want) that accepts 1080P/24 and internally scans to 48 or 72Hz and accepts 1080P/60Hz. Apparently the 50" Pioneer Elite is the only plasma that currently does that . However 50" is too small for me. The up-coming 65" Fujitsu may do it.

I'm using a Pioneer Elite 49Txi avr and will be replacing it with the D2. I contacted the sound engineer at M&K. He's been in the sound business for decades and is a fountain of knowledge. He's referred to in the "Secrets" review above. I didn't really ask him his opinion of the Anthem, but here's what he said:

"The Anthem is SUPERB - my favorite HT device of all time. I am SURE that when you get rid of that awful Pioneer and get the Anthem you will have to pick your jaw up off the floor."

He's known for his very strong knowledgable opinions, but I was still surprised he offered this strong an opinion. So his very valued opinion plus you guys have sold me on the D2.

2. What SD DVD player should I buy? It seems like the choice is between the Pioneer Elite 79avi and the Oppo 970 HD. I want a player that competently passes a 480i signal over HDMI.

It seems strange to buy all this high end equipment and then spend less than $150 on a DVD player. Other than build quality, is there any advantage to buying the Pioneer over the Oppo ... considering that they both will be feed to the D2?

This thread has been incredibly valuable. Thanks.
post #2744 of 42686
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Originally Posted by nine ball View Post


I thank you both. My wife hates you both equally.............

Peter

Luckily my wife doesn't know they exist, yet
post #2745 of 42686
Dobe,
I can't answer your video question(I have a ruby) but you were able to do something that I tried to do before I bought my D2 and that was to ask M&K their opinion. I wrote but got no response. I am a M&K bigot to be honest....for the same reason that you have advanced here......they are uniquely qualified for the best theater performance. I took the plunge and can only tell you that the results are deeper,cleaner and bring a refined presence to reference material that is truly unmatched by anything I have heard before. AND all this is before any calibration! I do understand your reluctance to accept the Oppo in the mix but it really does work well and I have yet to hear anyone present a valid comparison with the pioneer that made me regret the Oppo decision.


Peter
post #2746 of 42686
Dobe, and everyone else.

Haven't posted for a while as I had no forward progress becuase I decided to wait for the 65" Panny. So this wednesday I begin install of:

65" Pannny
Toshiba HD
Oppo 970
MCA 50
HTPC w/ Blu-Ray

And of course a D2 at the heart. All connections will be HDMI (HTPC will be dvi to hdmi with digital optical for sound)

I will let everyone know how it goes. I'm using a professional installer to do the video callibration.

Dobe - I went with the 970 because it is true 480i over HDMI and almost everyone in these forums says it is incredible. I think my question is do I want to spend 5-8x more on a pioneer and see potentially little to no improvement. Besides at the price for the oppo, if I don't like it I can always move it to another TV and get a pioneer.



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Originally Posted by DOBE View Post

1. How important is it to wait until there is a 65" plasma (asuming that's the kind of display you want) that accepts 1080P/24 and internally scans to 48 or 72Hz and accepts 1080P/60Hz.
2. What SD DVD player should I buy? It seems like the choice is between the Pioneer Elite 79avi and the Oppo 970 HD. I want a player that competently passes a 480i signal over HDMI.
.
post #2747 of 42686
My biases:

* If I had to buy a new SD DVD player today I would buy the Oppo 970. Period. And that's from someone currently using a Pioneer Elite DV-59avi. The only other viable option is to step up to a Denon 5910, but then you are paying a SUBSTANTIAL price premium for only modest noise reduction improvement over what the D2 can already do for you.

* However I would rather wait until I can buy either an HD-DVD or Blue Ray player that is as good as the Oppo for "legacy" formats. I don't really want to buy both since I think that's just catering to the industry.

* If you are going to buy a new display today for your primary, critical viewing area, you really owe it to yourself to get a quality 1080p native resolution display that can accept 1080p/24Hz or 1080p/48Hz input and display that at 1080p/48Hz, or 1080p/72Hz or a higher multiple of 24. Accepting 1080p/24Hz input and displaying it at either 1080p/24Hz or 1080p/60Hz is *NOT* an acceptable option. Expect more such displays next year, and expect that they will be differentiated by other critical characteristics such as black level, ease of calibration, and price.
--Bob
post #2748 of 42686
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Originally Posted by neff2k View Post

Sad thing is it's not even the remote that would be a problem for my wife(880). That is the simple part. Explaining which DVD is which and which player it goes in where.... Afraid as soon as I started explaining that, the glazed over eyes would be staring me down.

Heck you've got it easy! There's an old post over in the standard def DVD forum from someone plaintively asking how to deal with having found a peanut butter and jelly sandwich his kids put in the disc tray of his player.

Which is almost as good as the guy in the flat panel display forum wondering the best way to deal with his uber-expensive plasma having been hit with a paint-ball bullet. He was in a panic for a quick answer because the paint was drying.

The solution to your problem is to have only one player accessible -- the one for standard DVDs most likely. Put the others behind a locked cabinet door and deny they exist. They are only for the "projectionist" to use.
--Bob
post #2749 of 42686
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The only other viable option is to step up to a Denon 5910, but then you are paying a SUBSTANTIAL price premium for only modest noise reduction improvement over what the D2 can already do for you.

For the price of the Denon 5910ci (that can ONLY play standard DVDs), you can buy the Toshiba HD-AX2 (the top HD-DVD player), the Pioneer Elite Blu-ray player (or a PS3 and alot of games to play), the Oppo 970, and for good noise reduction, you can also buy the Algolith Flea instead for alot cheaper.

And I think you still have some money left after buying all this, compared to the price of the 5910ci.
post #2750 of 42686
Previously I had mentioned a White Paper on 24p.

I had time to find it for your education or confusion.

ENJOY!

http://www.leitch.com/resources/whit.../Whatis24P.pdf
post #2751 of 42686
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Previously I had mentioned a White Paper on 24p.

I had time to find it for your education or confusion.

ENJOY!

http://www.leitch.com/resources/whit.../Whatis24P.pdf

Thank you very much for taking the trouble.......I'll give it a try!

Peter

What I think I learned.......

1.a) If in fact the sony 'Ruby' supports spf that's a good thing for legacy film formats.

1b). There are some sync's like 1080p 24spf that the 'Ruby' does not accept and obviously must be avoided.

2. the Genum card in the D2 appears to provide the greatest likleyhood of finding the appropriate match (sync) from input to output over any other similarly priced AV Preprocessors.

3. The recently added detailed configuration per input with the possibilities of multiple profiles per input could be a HUGE advantage to a disciplined educated home theater operator.

What I now don't know, that I didn't know, that I didn't know before reading this article!!!!!!

1. How much does the end user have to know about the source construction in this context or does the technology understand and take the best syncing method by default?

2. If the Ruby doesn't accept 24spf or 24p then can the D2 send anything to the Ruby that does NOT introduce artifacts? If it can will it do it without operator knowledge or intervention?

Does anyone have medication for this........my head hurts.

Peter
post #2752 of 42686
24p and 24psf are entirely equivalent as far as imaging quality for film-base content. It is just a matter of how the data -- the IDENTICAL data -- is transferred from one device to the next. Either way, at the end of each "frame time" the same identical data ends up at the other end of the cable. Some devices just find it easier to deal with data presented as if it were two interlaced fields arriving one after the other instead of already combined together into the progressive frame.

However, to get the visual advantage, the display device needs to display that signal at a frame rate which is a multiple of 24Hz. Sending 24p or 24psf to a display which actually displays it at 60Hz will give you no advantage.

And displaying at 24Hz will give you that advantage, but will produce a degree of "flicker" that is annoying to many people. Displaying at 48Hz or 72Hz gives the same visual advantage without the flicker. Movie theater projectors actually have shutters which artificially block the light 1 or 2 additional times DURING each frame of film to make the flicker rate 48Hz or 72Hz even though the film frames are only changing at 24Hz.
--Bob
post #2753 of 42686
nine ball, mjavman and Bob: Thanks for the feedback. The Oppo 970 it is. I notice Oppo released a new model. It's the Oppo DV981HD. It's $229, but there's no 480i via HDMI. I better grab the 970 before they discontinue it.

mjavman: Be sure to let us know how the D2 performs with the 65" Panny. I don't know of anyone else using that combination.
post #2754 of 42686
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Originally Posted by nine ball View Post

Thank you very much for taking the trouble.......I'll give it a try!

Peter


Does anyone have medication for this........my head hurts.

Peter

Same thing I learned - My Head Hurt and I felt DRUNK [GRIN]!

Of course I OFTEN feel DRUNK [GRIN]!
post #2755 of 42686
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Originally Posted by nine ball View Post


2. If the Ruby doesn't accept 24spf
Peter

From what I know that is the only 24 format the
Ruby Accepts which is what makes it WEIRD!
post #2756 of 42686
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Originally Posted by DOBE View Post

nine ball, mjavman and Bob: Thanks for the feedback. The Oppo 970 it is. I notice Oppo released a new model. It's the Oppo DV981HD. It's $229, but there's no 480i via HDMI. I better grab the 970 before they discontinue it.

mjavman: Be sure to let us know how the D2 performs with the 65" Panny. I don't know of anyone else using that combination.

The Oppo 981 is a replacement for the Oppo 971. Both of these are intended for use by people who need the PLAYER to do the scaling. They are a little more expensive because they have a better scaler inside. Not anywhere near as good as the Anthem's scaler however. The 981 replaces the DVI output in the older 971 with an HDMI output.

The Oppo 970 is intended for use by people who have a good scaler that accepts HDMI 480i -- either in their TV or in something like the Anthem. The Oppo 970 can be set to do its own scaling but it is just not that great at it. However as a transport for people with a good external scaler it is excellent. Right now I believe it has only one outstanding problem and that is when playing SACD discs that are intended to play from track to track without any muting between tracks. I believe Oppo is still working on their fix for this. The 970 is also no good for Component video output. Its forte is HDMI 480i.

But that aside, there's really no point in Oppo replacing or discontinuing the 970. It is pretty dang close to perfect right now, and is selling well to people with good HDMI scalers.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Right now I believe it has only one outstanding problem and that is when playing SACD discs that are intended to play from track to track without any muting between tracks. I believe Oppo is still working on their fix for this. --Bob

I can confirm that the issue of gapless playback has been fixed in the latest beta from Oppo. Its been out for at least a month now for public download.
post #2758 of 42686
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Originally Posted by goenkar View Post

I can confirm that the issue of gapless playback has been fixed in the latest beta from Oppo. Its been out for at least a month now for public download.

Cool! But Oppo still considers this 970 software upgrade to be just a Beta test release, right? That is, they haven't finalized their testing on it, and it is not currently shipping in newly ordered 970's, right?
--Bob
post #2759 of 42686
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Originally Posted by DOBE View Post

I have 2 questions buried in this post. Thanks.

2. What SD DVD player should I buy? It seems like the choice is between the Pioneer Elite 79avi and the Oppo 970 HD. I want a player that competently passes a 480i signal over HDMI.

It seems strange to buy all this high end equipment and then spend less than $150 on a DVD player. Other than build quality, is there any advantage to buying the Pioneer over the Oppo ... considering that they both will be feed to the D2?

This thread has been incredibly valuable. Thanks.

I have a Pioneer Elite 79AVi, and I think one advantage over the Oppo is that it is a superb CD/SACD/DVD-A player. This player is well known and widely reviewed as having great sonic properties, here's a quote.

Quote:
Ultimate AV - Thomas Norton - On CDs, the Pioneer surprised me in that it exceeded even the very fine performance I heard from the older (and more expensive) Pioneer Elite DV-59AVi. Certainly most of the credit here for both the DVD-Video(DD and DTS) and CD (PCM) performance goes to the D/A converters in the Anthem processor I used for most of the listening tests, but I've been around the block long enough to know that, for CDs at least, the digital transport matters, and I had no complaints about the DV-79AVi on that score.

Here's a link to the full article. Review of Pioneer 79AVi

I must say that I heard a substantial improvement in CD and SACD music quality in my system, with imaging and clarity that I had never heard before.

All that said, if you already have a very good or adequate CD music transport, then go with the Oppo.
post #2760 of 42686
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Originally Posted by mlbrand View Post

I have a Pioneer Elite 79AVi, and I think one advantage over the Oppo is that it is a superb CD/SACD/DVD-A player. This player is well known and widely reviewed as having great sonic properties, here's a quote.



Here's a link to the full article. Review of Pioneer 79AVi

I must say that I heard a substantial improvement in CD and SACD music quality in my system, with imaging and clarity that I had never heard before.

All that said, if you already have a very good or adequate CD music transport, then go with the Oppo.

mlbrand: Thanks for the input. This is an HT (including *TV*) only system.
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