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post #31261 of 40787
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Thanks Bob ...

I just read that the fundamental frequency of an adult male voice is from 85Hz to 180Hz (adult female is 165Hz to 255Hz). So if the mains/surround cross at 60Hz, they will truly contain all male dialog. But if the sub crosses at 120Hz, doesn't it also mean male vocal frequencies of 85Hz-120Hz will be part of the mix?

I think I'm missing something here...

Hi,

although not related to the specific issue you are working with Bob on,
here's a good interactive frequency chart which I use to better understand why some speakers sound totally different than others, with or without equalisation.

Hope this helps. Cheers.
post #31262 of 40787
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Hi guys. with my last effort Bob/Jayray you pointed out that I had a dip at 75hz (refer to attachment).

I will try and do the quick measure and see what improvements can be achieved. Can someone put up a graph that is pretty much perfect for the sub, so I know what I'm looking for. Thanks.

I was reluctant to bother with the quick measure as I have another Seaton Submersive on the way but wont be here until late Dec early Jan and want the best bass I can get for the moment. Just bothering me that 75hz dip and I remember Jayray mentioning that he had something similar and it's worth trying to fix and the improvements are worth it.

Mine is not perfect, and it's not as good as jayray; but, it's not bad. Anyway, take a look and decide if it's something you would like to shoot for.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/attac...8&d=1290198787
post #31263 of 40787
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Hi guys. with my last effort Bob/Jayray you pointed out that I had a dip at 75hz (refer to attachment).

I will try and do the quick measure and see what improvements can be achieved. Can someone put up a graph that is pretty much perfect for the sub, so I know what I'm looking for. Thanks.

I was reluctant to bother with the quick measure as I have another Seaton Submersive on the way but wont be here until late Dec early Jan and want the best bass I can get for the moment. Just bothering me that 75hz dip and I remember Jayray mentioning that he had something similar and it's worth trying to fix and the improvements are worth it.

Here is my chart. Ninja12 has also a very good chart. Note the Red measured curve. It is fairly flat from 100 to 20 Hz. Now the target is set by how good the measurement is. So now the calculated is very close to excellent.
John
LL
post #31264 of 40787
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

As a result of doing that, it looks like ARC is just following the red measurement when it gets down to around 20 Hz at least for my setup that's what it's doing.

Covered Here

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Ok, I've worked it out.......the explanation for what is going on is quite simple really, I noticed it before but assumed it was ignored........it's not

In the advanced settings of ARC 3.0 when you set the High Pass Filter to 'Flat' hence disabling it, the 'Min Sub EQ Freq' option becomes active........and by active I mean active, ie if you set it to 50Hz ARC will do nothing from there down. The lowest option for this is 20Hz and, as far as I can tell, you cannot disable it in Flat mode or reduce it to take advantage of ARC's latest sub 20Hz filtering.

So basically in Flat mode ARC will only apply filters down to 20Hz.
If your pre filter measurement deviates much from the target below 30Hz your post filter line will leave the target and begin following the pre filter measurement.

Only workaround I can suggest is to get your measured pre-ARC response around 20-30Hz close to your target level at that point prior to calculating the filters. This way there will be a smooth transition from ARC's adjustments to the natural response of your sub in your room. What you don't want is a resulting boost in that region and below for the reasions mentioned earlier.

Would be nice for Anthem to include an option to disable that 'Min Sub EQ Freq' setting or to include the lowest frequency ARC will correct as an option(since v3.0 supposedly corrects below 20Hz)

Cheers
post #31265 of 40787
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

Covered Here

Do you know if ARC will apply filters below 20 Hz if it's set to Auto?
post #31266 of 40787
Thanks guys. Not sure if I will get time today to do this but will see later on.
post #31267 of 40787
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

Do you know if ARC will apply filters below 20 Hz if it's set to Auto?

As far as I know in v3.0 they extended the lowest filtering down to 'below 20Hz'. It seems the only mode this could work in is 'Auto' since we've found the 'lowest fq filter' possible in the other modes is 20Hz.

I haven't actually tested to see how low ARC filters in Auto yet.

Cheers
post #31268 of 40787
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

As far as I know in v3.0 they extended the lowest filtering down to 'below 20Hz'. It seems the only mode this could work in is 'Auto' since we've found the 'lowest fq filter' possible in the other modes is 20Hz.

I haven't actually tested to see how low ARC filters in Auto yet.

Cheers

Cool. Thanks for your responses.
post #31269 of 40787
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Originally Posted by TKO1 View Post

Hi,

although not related to the specific issue you are working with Bob on,
here's a good interactive frequency chart which I use to better understand why some speakers sound totally different than others, with or without equalisation.

Hope this helps. Cheers.

Cool charts ...Thanks TKO1!
post #31270 of 40787
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

It will help if you keep it simple in your mind. So here's the simplified version: For each speaker, say LF, there's a full frequency range of content available. When you play it with a 60Hz crossover for LF the frequencies 60Hz and above will be played by LF itself and the frequencies 60Hz and below will be played by the subwoofer.

It doesn't matter that the sub has good response up to 120Hz because, for that channel, the sub isn't being asked to play those frequencies.

When you use Dolby PLIIx to create surround channels it doesn't know anything about the crossovers for the speakers. It thinks each speaker is "full range". It doesn't know that LF, or LS or whatever has been MADE full range by having some of the audio played in the speaker and some in the sub.

The LFE channel in 5.1 or 7.1 input carries its own content which runs up to about 120 Hz. Since your sub has good response up there, you will get all of the high frequency end of LFE played properly by your sub. If your sub DIDN'T go that high the bass up there wouldn't be steered to another speaker. It would be lost. (This is not as nasty as it seems because multi-channel mixes like this also carry bass in the main speakers -- usually in Center -- AS WELL as in the sub/LFE channel.)
--Bob

Thanks Bob for your patience and understanding
post #31271 of 40787
Hi, I am searching around for an answer.
thought i'd post here also.

Woke up at 2:30am , heard noise in the living room, "static"
so I went to check it out, it was the AVM50, I have not updated this thing in 6months or so.
Not sure whats on it currently can post later if needed...lol

but back on track, the FM tuner was on so I shut it off... about 2 min later its back on, so I change it to TV shut it down, about 2-3 min later again back on, shut it down, 2-3 min back on, happened 4-6 times I said eff this I'm tired unplugged it and went to bed.
well ok i stopped on here first and searched the web.
post #31272 of 40787
found the posts by user usxplong, so I will try that, but strange now two of us having this issue??
usxplong, did you ever find out the resolve to it?

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Originally Posted by TREVLAN View Post

Hi, I am searching around for an answer.
thought i'd post here also.

Woke up at 2:30am , heard noise in the living room, "static"
so I went to check it out, it was the AVM50, I have not updated this thing in 6months or so.
Not sure whats on it currently can post later if needed...lol

but back on track, the FM tuner was on so I shut it off... about 2 min later its back on, so I change it to TV shut it down, about 2-3 min later again back on, shut it down, 2-3 min back on, happened 4-6 times I said eff this I'm tired unplugged it and went to bed.
well ok i stopped on here first and searched the web.
post #31273 of 40787
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Originally Posted by muad'dib View Post

I just watched this new blu-ray on the D2V with 2.04 firmware..

Blu-ray player is the sony 550..

When watching this movie, the sound was send via bitstream to D2V, as DTS HD MA 5.1 (even though the box says it should be 6.1).

Same problem here with my new AVM-50v just arrived off the production line. Was this ever solved or explained?

How do I get them to negotiate for LPCM instead of Bitstream? It plays as 5.1 but when I pause the movie the Anthem shows 7.1!
post #31274 of 40787
Hey bob, I just ordered in the AIX blu Ray Audio Calibration Disc HD Music Sampler specifically to help check the phase of the sub with my main speakers. I do not see a test chapter for this. They have a phase chapter but it does not inlcude a comparison with the sub. What are you using?
post #31275 of 40787
when i play a 96khz source (in this case AIX cal disk) from my PS3 (PS3 set to output up to 96khz) via PCM HDMI to the D2 (1.45F) the D2 does not recognize the input as 96Khz when i check status via the remote. The PS3 shows that it is outputting 96. Interestingly, when I bring up the video status screen on the D2 it shows an input of 96Khz in that menu. However, when i check that status of the input via multiple hits of the select button on the D2 remote it brings up 48Khz. Is this just a bug? Which to believe?

-Bob
post #31276 of 40787
Hi Everyone

Is it possible to completely bypass video processing in AVM50v if I am using external video processor?

Thanks
mani
post #31277 of 40787
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Originally Posted by mani View Post
Hi Everyone

Is it possible to completely bypass video processing in AVM50v if I am using external video processor?

Thanks
mani
SELL your Video Processor

AM50v Video Processor is just as good.
post #31278 of 40787
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Originally Posted by TREVLAN View Post
found the posts by user usxplong, so I will try that, but strange now two of us having this issue??
usxplong, did you ever find out the resolve to it?
I talked to Anthem. They sent me a new face plate. It is very easy to install. Only a few screws from inside and the whole face assembly comes off. But I took it to a dealer and installed it in a few mins and everything works perfect so far.
post #31279 of 40787
my whole screen is PINK... but my connections are HDMI.
so after the whole, turning on by itse;f unit. I tried reinstalling 1.33 on my AVM50 and redoing the ARC new version. now my TV is one full color... PINK.


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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post
Since you are using a DVI input on your display, in the Anthem's Setup / Video Output menu, try changing the output Data Format to RGB instead of Auto.

DVI devices generally want RGB video format. Usually this is handled automatically during the handshake that establishes the connection, but if that is failing for some reason the connection might be set up as YCbCr by mistake. You then get the "shocking pink" screen because the"Y" output signal (gray scale luminance) is misinterpreted in the display as the Red color signal.

Explicitly selecting RGB output in the Anthem avoids any such mischance.
--Bob
post #31280 of 40787
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Originally Posted by usxplong View Post
I talked to Anthem. They sent me a new face plate. It is very easy to install. Only a few screws from inside and the whole face assembly comes off. But I took it to a dealer and installed it in a few mins and everything works perfect so far.
thanks for that info, I did the reload as BOB suggested to you, but now I'm having another issue.. PINK screen of death...lol
post #31281 of 40787
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post
SELL your Video Processor

AM50v Video Processor is just as good.
I doubt that. In any case I cant take video processor out of equation as it is SIm2 LUmis HOST . You need HOST to transmit optical video signal to projector. So I would rather not have 2 processors altering the signal.
post #31282 of 40787
can someone please look at my new charts i did some changes after i've been reading on here , let me know what i need to do to get some better results. thank u

 

new doc 11-19-10.doc 415k . file
post #31283 of 40787
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Originally Posted by TREVLAN

thanks for that info, I did the reload as BOB suggested to you, but now I'm having another issue.. PINK screen of death...lol
You might want to try a flash erase and then do another firmware upload.
John
post #31284 of 40787
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post
can someone please look at my new charts i did some changes after i've been reading on here , let me know what i need to do to get some better results. thank u
Have you altered the room gains? If not, your speakers look good. The sub has a dip from 50 - 80 Hz of around 5 dB, that could be eliminated by moving your sub. If the red measurement line moves up higher, this would result in a better target and ultimately a better green correction. curve. See my post #31263, on this page, showing my sub chart. Notice the red curve is fairly flat from 100 -20 Hz. so the correction is very smooth. Good measurement results in great correction.
John
post #31285 of 40787
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post
You might want to try a flash erase and then do another firmware upload.
John
i did try that and it worked. thx Jayray, how have you been? talked to Neil lately?

I'm going to upgrade to the v , AVM50v just waiting on a price , plus two more speakers and the MCA2. lol just a few bucks.
post #31286 of 40787
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Originally Posted by TREVLAN

i did try that and it worked. thx Jayray, how have you been? talked to Neil lately?

I'm going to upgrade to the v , AVM50v just waiting on a price , plus two more speakers and the MCA2. lol just a few bucks.
I'm good as is Neil. Haven't been in since I picked up my MRX. The AVM50v is a great unit, you'll love it.
John
post #31287 of 40787
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Originally Posted by mani View Post
Hi Everyone

Is it possible to completely bypass video processing in AVM50v if I am using external video processor?

Thanks
mani
No You can't bypass the video.
post #31288 of 40787
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Have you altered the room gains? If not, your speakers look good. The sub has a dip from 50 - 80 Hz of around 5 dB, that could be eliminated by moving your sub. If the red measurement line moves up higher, this would result in a better target and ultimately a better green correction. curve. See my post #31263, on this page, showing my sub chart. Notice the red curve is fairly flat from 100 -20 Hz. so the correction is very smooth. Good measurement results in great correction.
John

no, that is what arc came up with for the gain,is there anything i can do in arc to try to help get the dip out of the sub, i've been trying to move the sub around,but with no luck yet i need to get a longer cable.otherwise you think everything looks good? the only thing that gets it up to the red line is when i lower the frequency on the sub in arc to below 60 but these were the measurments that arc came up with, and i must say it still sounds really good....
post #31289 of 40787
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post

no, that is what arc came up with for the gain,is there anything i can do in arc to try to help get the dip out of the sub, i've been trying to move the sub around,but with no luck yet i need to get a longer cable.otherwise you think everything looks good? the only thing that gets it up to the red line is when i lower the frequency on the sub in arc to below 60 but these were the measurments that arc came up with, and i must say it still sounds really good....

Don't change the cutoff freq. in ARC. Try again with the longer cable. And make sure the crossover freq. is turned up as far as it goes ie. to bypass or 180 Hz and then measure. Your other speakers look very good. While it sounds good to you now, if you can fix the dip in the sub it will give you a little more impact. My sub cutoff is 120.
John
post #31290 of 40787
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Originally Posted by |M|B.M.F. View Post

Hey bob, I just ordered in the AIX blu Ray Audio Calibration Disc HD Music Sampler specifically to help check the phase of the sub with my main speakers. I do not see a test chapter for this. They have a phase chapter but it does not inlcude a comparison with the sub. What are you using?

Use System Calibration > Subwoofer Crossover Test

This will sweep a test tone back and forth across the crossover frequencies.

Use it like this:

IMPORTANT NOTE: Be sure your speaker distance settings are correct before you adjust Phase for the sub, as phase is also a function of relative distance.

1) Do an ARC setup. This will establish the crossover frequencies, volume balance the speakers, and eliminate any response defects from the speakers that will interfere with your ability to hear phase related changes.

2) Run the Subwoofer Crossover Test and listen to see if you have uniform volume all across the range. Since ARC has already balanced things and removed defects, any dip you hear will be due to phase cancellation between the Sub and LF. Since different setups will have different crossover frequencies, that dip may occur higher or lower in the sweep range in your setup.

3) Adjust sub phase to eliminate any such dip and get as close as you can get to uniform volume across the frequency range of this test.

Note that phase settings near the correct setting will sound very similar. Add to that some typical listener bias and you'll see that you may undershoot or overshoot the correct phase setting. To counter that, find phase two ways: First sneaking up from below and second dropping down from above. If you come up with two different answers then split the difference between them and that will be your correct phase setting.

4) If you have only one sub, you are now done. Your prior ARC solution still applies and will now just work better. If you have more than one sub then you must re-Measure for ARC after changing phase for any sub as phase setting changes will change what ARC hears from the combo of subs playing together.
--Bob
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