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post #32191 of 42663
Hello

This is something I didn't expect. As a long time user (D2 and now D2v) I thought I was above these kind of problems.
Well, I just bought a new laptop, A Toshiba running Win7 x64.
And tried the new ARC for the first time. While uploading the settings it either crashes with a BSOD or it stays stuck in the middle of the process.
Leaving no other choice than doing a hard reset to the D2v (power unplug, Factory defaults, Load settings).
My Win7 is fine and all my devices are ok.
My USB to COM is using the latest driver from Prolific.
I am set at 115000 speed, 8bit, 2 bit stop, no flow control.
The same as it ever was with my previous laptop, a Lenovo.
While I had these problems yesterday, I tried to upload the same ARC measurement with the Lenovo and it went fine.
The Toshiba still got stuck.
How can I debug this probem?

Thanks
post #32192 of 42663
now witt room gain set to 1,5xxx and sub til flat.
but there is still a lots of rool off from the subs.
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post #32193 of 42663
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

now witt room gain set to 1,5xxx and sub til flat.
but there is still a lots of rool off from the subs.

They don't look bad.

Did you force room gain to 1.5xxx? I see you got 2 with your music config.

As Nick suggested I'd still try ARC alone without the sub EQ.
post #32194 of 42663
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

They don't look bad.

Did you force room gain to 1.5xxx? I see you got 2 with your music config.

As Nick suggested I'd still try ARC alone without the sub EQ.

I Will try to run arc wittout the svs A1 . but i Think its Strange why the roll off from the sub, happens so ealy/50hz.
post #32195 of 42663
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

They don't look bad.

Did you force room gain to 1.5xxx? I see you got 2 with your music config.

As Nick suggested I'd still try ARC alone without the sub EQ.

Yes, i dit forse the roomgain to 1,5 . The calculated room gain was about 0,0xxxxx.
The Sound from the system is very dynamic and tight.



A side note.......does everybody use re-EQ ore thx cinema?
post #32196 of 42663
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

Yes, i dit forse the roomgain to 1,5 . The calculated room gain was about 0,0xxxxx.
The Sound from the system is very dynamic and tight.



A side note.......does everybody use re-EQ ore thx cinema?

I don't use either with ARC.

You can always switch to your music config to see what a little more room gain (2db) sounds like.
post #32197 of 42663
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

I don't use either with ARC.

You can always switch to your music config to see what a little more room gain (2db) sounds like.

I have tryet that, and for the most of the time i prefer 1,0xxxx for mowie and 2,0xxxxx for musik. But i had always (have it four 14 days) used re-EQ . And i Think that a higher room gain makes the higher frekvenz become softer. So maby i just have to make som more experience
post #32198 of 42663
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

now witt room gain set to 1,5xxx and sub til flat.
but there is still a lots of rool off from the subs.

Try changing the cutoff to 120 from 80 and see if this elevates the correction in the 100 Hz range. The present correction seems to lack the punch in that frequency and the only thing I can see is the 80 Hz setting. Did you change to 80 or did ARC set that? It is low for the kind of measurment you got.
John
post #32199 of 42663
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

now witt room gain set to 1,5xxx and sub til flat.
but there is still a lots of rool off from the subs.

I just lowered my cutoff from 120 to 80 with my file and it looks like yours. So definitely raise the cutoff to 120 Hz. and post your chart again. I'll be surprised if it doesn't do the same thing to yours. The pic is below. Notice how my curve is about 8-10 dB lower at 100 Hz. This is what you want to fix. The one on the right is what I am using now and they sound quite different I can assure you.
John
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post #32200 of 42663
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Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

Hello

This is something I didn't expect. As a long time user (D2 and now D2v) I thought I was above these kind of problems.
Well, I just bought a new laptop, A Toshiba running Win7 x64.
And tried the new ARC for the first time. While uploading the settings it either crashes with a BSOD or it stays stuck in the middle of the process.
Leaving no other choice than doing a hard reset to the D2v (power unplug, Factory defaults, Load settings).
My Win7 is fine and all my devices are ok.
My USB to COM is using the latest driver from Prolific.
I am set at 115000 speed, 8bit, 2 bit stop, no flow control.
The same as it ever was with my previous laptop, a Lenovo.
While I had these problems yesterday, I tried to upload the same ARC measurement with the Lenovo and it went fine.
The Toshiba still got stuck.
How can I debug this probem?

Thanks

Classic problem. Latest driver doesn't necessarily mean up-to-date driver.

Coincidentally (and how!) I nearly fell out of my chair when someone showed this to me earlier today:

http://www.hometechtell.com/hometech...asier-for-ant/
post #32201 of 42663
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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

Classic problem. Latest driver doesn't necessarily mean up-to-date driver.

Coincidentally (and how!) I nearly fell out of my chair when someone showed this to me earlier today:

http://www.hometechtell.com/hometech...asier-for-ant/

NICK - Anthem should put one in the BOX with the software.

I'm sure you might have heard that one before.

Even if you had to increase the price a bit - new owners would love it.
post #32202 of 42663
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

NICK - Anthem should put one in the BOX with the software.

I'm sure you might have heard that one before.

Even if you had to increase the price a bit - new owners would love it.

Done, as of last month. Correct. Eventually. Also available separately from tech@anthemav.com. $29 (USD/CAD) plus shipping, and tax for lucky Canadians. Also available from Anthem dealers.
post #32203 of 42663
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post
I just lowered my cutoff from 120 to 80 with my file and it looks like yours. So definitly raise the cutoff to 120 Hz. and post your chart again. I'll be surprised if it doesn't do the same thing to yours. The pic is below. Notice how my curve is about 8-10 dB lower at 100 Hz. This is what you want to fix. The one on the right is what I am using now and they sound quite different I can assure you.
John
yes...i'can see what you meen. last night i try to set the roomgain on 2,0xxxx and a flat respons, like the last graph i uploaded, and i think there is too much bass. I think it's all about to find the room gain for liking and then set the cutt off as you deskrived, so there is no dip.

will it still use the manuel croos over setting. mine is set to thx 80 on all the speakers. what i meen is......if i in ARC set a 120hz cutoff like said, will it still use the 80hz sub settings in the bass magnetment?
post #32204 of 42663
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

Classic problem. Latest driver doesn't necessarily mean up-to-date driver.

Coincidentally (and how!) I nearly fell out of my chair when someone showed this to me earlier today:

http://www.hometechtell.com/hometech...asier-for-ant/

I also have three of them..lol.
post #32205 of 42663
Quote:
Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

Done, as of last month. Correct. Eventually. Also available separately from tech@anthemav.com. $29 (USD/CAD) plus shipping, and tax for lucky Canadians. Also available from Anthem dealers.

THREE MORE CHEERS for Anthem Support
post #32206 of 42663
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

yes...i'can see what you meen. last night i try to set the roomgain on 2,0xxxx and a flat respons, like the last graph i uploaded, and i think there is too much bass. I think it's all about to find the room gain for liking and then set the cutt off as you deskrived, so there is no dip.

will it still use the manuel croos over setting. mine is set to thx 80 on all the speakers. what i meen is......if i in ARC set a 120hz cutoff like said, will it still use the 80hz sub settings in the bass magnetment?

Are you saying you have changed all the crossovers from what ARC calculates and downloads and set them all to 80 manually?
post #32207 of 42663
Quote:
Originally Posted by p.las View Post

yes...i'can see what you meen. last night i try to set the roomgain on 2,0xxxx and a flat respons, like the last graph i uploaded, and i think there is too much bass. I think it's all about to find the room gain for liking and then set the cutt off as you deskrived, so there is no dip.

will it still use the manuel croos over setting. mine is set to thx 80 on all the speakers. what i meen is......if i in ARC set a 120hz cutoff like said, will it still use the 80hz sub settings in the bass magnetment?

Don't set the crossovers to anything, let ARC do that. Then look at the sub output and if it still looks the way it does now, then set the subcutoff to 120 Hz and recalculate. Then post this chart for us to see. Trust ARC's settings, most peopls settle for what ARC has done, not go changing things since most of us can't see what ARC is doing behing the scenes. What we can say is that it ususally sounds amazing.
John
post #32208 of 42663
can someone please look at my charts and give me some suggestions, thank you

 

1-28-11 arc snapshots.doc 337k . file
post #32209 of 42663
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post

can someone please look at my charts and give me some suggestions, thank you

I'd suggest that you sit back and enjoy. Looks good.
post #32210 of 42663
after my charts above i lowered my sub to 60hz myself after running arc,the chart looks better,but should i do this,also after doing a quick measure does it do anything to my settings in the d2,do i have to reload user settings again.

 

1-28-11 snapshot #2 sub.doc 50k . file
post #32211 of 42663
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post

after my charts above i lowered my sub to 60hz myself after running arc,the chart looks better,but should i do this,also after doing a quick measure does it do anything to my settings in the d2,do i have to reload user settings again.

If you've used quick measure I think you are safer to reload ARC. User settings do not save all of ARC settings but I don't know for sure if what quick measure zero's is all saved in user settings.
post #32212 of 42663
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post


If you've used quick measure I think you are safer to reload ARC. User settings do not save all of ARC settings but I don't know for sure if what quick measure zero's is all saved in user settings.

An upload is required.
John
post #32213 of 42663
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

I'd suggest that you sit back and enjoy. Looks good.

is there anything i should try to do with the sub? that dip is what concerns me.
post #32214 of 42663
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

An upload is required.
John

jay what do you think of the charts i posted,im still having a hard time getting rid of that dip with my servo sub
post #32215 of 42663
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post


jay what do you think of the charts i posted,im still having a hard time getting rid of that dip with my servo sub

I'm using my iTouch which doesn't allow me to view the charts. Will try later.
John
post #32216 of 42663
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

I'm using my iTouch which doesn't allow me to view the charts. Will try later.
John

thanks jay,
post #32217 of 42663
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post

jay what do you think of the charts i posted,im still having a hard time getting rid of that dip with my servo sub

It's only a 1db dip. I don't think it's much to be worried about.
post #32218 of 42663
Where has Bob P disappeared to ?
post #32219 of 42663
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Don't set the crossovers to anything, let ARC do that. Then look at the sub output and if it still looks the way it does now, then set the subcutoff to 120 Hz and recalculate. Then post this chart for us to see. Trust ARC's settings, most peopls settle for what ARC has done, not go changing things since most of us can't see what ARC is doing behing the scenes. What we can say is that it ususally sounds amazing.
John

forgive my bad english
i have set the crossover manuel in the anthem s bass mangetment to 80hz on all speakers. this was before i was running ARC. after runing the ACR, it sets the crossovers to the figure in the uploaded graphs . will these figure overrule the settings in the manuel setup in the anthem.
post #32220 of 42663
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Originally Posted by buckley44 View Post

after my charts above i lowered my sub to 60hz myself after running arc,the chart looks better,but should i do this,also after doing a quick measure does it do anything to my settings in the d2,do i have to reload user settings again.

The first graph looks better than the second one. Your corrected curve is flatter from 100 to 20 Hz. and this is what you want. The first graph shows a drop off from 50 Hz. It might look a little smoother but it is lacking in the punch freqs. Try the first file and hear how tight the LFE is now compared to the second one. There should be a big diff.
John
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