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post #331 of 42686
Congrats! I see Anthem finally updated their website to introduce the 30/40/50, as well.
post #332 of 42686
Anyone know if Anthem is offering an HDMI 1.3 upgrade to the AVM-50?
post #333 of 42686
Has anyone been able to use the settings editor application with a serial cable into their D2/AVM-50.

I have the AVM-50 and am very pleased with it. However, I have had no luck with getting the settings editor to recognize the receiver.

I have tried 2 separate pc's with 2 sets of cable with no luck. I have an email into Anthem support but was wondering if the D2 folks had any sucess.

Thanks
post #334 of 42686
Thread Starter 
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Originally Posted by goenkar View Post

Has anyone been able to use the settings editor application with a serial cable into their D2/AVM-50.

No problem here using the settings editor with my D2 and my HTPC. Same thing with firmware upgrades. I'm also using it to store my settings on my computer in case something goes wrong.
post #335 of 42686
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Originally Posted by goenkar View Post

Has anyone been able to use the settings editor application with a serial cable into their D2/AVM-50.

No issues here using a Dell Laptop and Keyspan USB to Serial Adapter. Make sure you are using a straight through serial cable and not a null modem cable.
post #336 of 42686
There is no HDMI 1.3 to upgrade to yet, so how could they even offer it now?
post #337 of 42686
Did you have to do anything before attempting to connect i.e. change settings in the receiver or PC before connecting.

I have used a USB to serial cable from my laptop and a DB9 m/f cable from my PC and both don't work. I tried with the receiver off and on. Also tried different baud rates.

I was told by Anthem that settings editor is the same for D2 and AVM-50. Let see what tech support says.

Thanks
post #338 of 42686
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Originally Posted by pciav View Post

Yes I was feeding the Lumagen HDMI > DVI from the SA-8300HD without issue. I have given complete info to Anthem and they are aware of the issue as I am not the only one. By the way it is Passport and not Sara.

The picture looks fine via HDMI, but I can not live with the cycling issue. Being 100% honest, the difference between component and hdmi is minimal at best and you would be hard pressed to tell the difference without knowing which is which.

I also have an SA-8300HD with Passport. I'm looking into getting a D2 or 50. Did Anthem give an indication of whether the problem with the 8300HD is in hardware or software (i.e. whether the fix can be done via firmware upgrade or not)?
post #339 of 42686
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Originally Posted by goenkar View Post

Did you have to do anything before attempting to connect i.e. change settings in the receiver or PC before connecting.

I have used a USB to serial cable from my laptop and a DB9 m/f cable from my PC and both don't work. I tried with the receiver off and on. Also tried different baud rates.

I was told by Anthem that settings editor is the same for D2 and AVM-50. Let see what tech support says.

Thanks

Nothing special at all. Connected, ran the executable file and it connected. Check your USB to Serial Adapter's assigned com port and make sure it not something out of range that the Anthem software automatically scans for.

From the Anthem Read Me:

"If you are using a USB to serial adapter:

1. Make sure its driver is properly installed. If a Windows message pops up just before driver is installed saying that the driver is not Windows-certified, DO NOT USE IT. Some of these "budget" adapters are known to load funny data into the preamp, causing it to freeze up, which is not covered under warranty.

2. The virtual port must be assigned to COM1 through COM6 for installer to run. If installer can not locate preamp, go to Start Menu / Settings / Control Panel / System / Device Manager. Double-click on Ports, then double-click on the adapter. In Port Settings, if it shows COM7 or higher, change to an available port between COM1 and COM6."
post #340 of 42686
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Originally Posted by randman View Post

I also have an SA-8300HD with Passport. I'm looking into getting a D2 or 50. Did Anthem give an indication of whether the problem with the 8300HD is in hardware or software (i.e. whether the fix can be done via firmware upgrade or not)?

No and I am not sure as I did not have the issue when it was connected to my Lumagen.

Here is exactly what is happening: With the SA-8300 HD off as soon as I connect an HDMI cable and plug it into the Anthem the 8300 turns itself on looking to sync. This appears to be an SA-8300HD problem. After getting it hooked up and turning the display and D2 on I am able to get picture and sound from the 8300 via HDMI @480i, 720p, and 1080i and there are no HDCP hand shake issues, repeater mode in the D2 must be turned off otherwise you get an HDCP error, the standard Your TV does not support...use YPbPr connection. The real problem is that when I switch inputs, to listen to a CD or use another source, the 8300 goes into a manic switching on and off mode looking for a signal. Even if the box is off and I turn the D2 on to the CD input, the 8300 turns itself on looking to sync.

I believe it is a combination of the two. The bad HDMI implementation in the SA-8300HD and something in Anthem's settings related to hot plugging or how inputs are muted etc. All I know is that it worked without issue with the Lumagen, so it is just a matter of Anthem figuring out the how and why.
post #341 of 42686
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Originally Posted by yatchaks View Post

I just recieved a call from my dealer telling me my AVM-50 is in! I'm pretty geeked and thought I'd start the official thread before I break the speed limit going to and from my dealer. If I can remove myself from my new toy today, I will post some thoughts later tonight.

ps..This is the first time I have posted an "official" thread, what a bonus!

Congrats on snagging the first AVM-50; not an easy feat to be the first among such an A/V savvy group! I am anxiously awaiting your review and hoping others will soon have more to share here as well.
post #342 of 42686
The AVM-50 isn't replacing anything, it is basically an AVM-30 with 4 HDMI inputs and an output. It also adds the Gennum VXP chip for scaling up to 1080p. In other words, the basic Anthem version of the Anthem Statement D2. It doesn't have the audio upconverter or dual processors like the D2. The AVM-30 is still current, but can be upgraded to the AVM-50 if you want the VXP chip and HDMI.

-K
post #343 of 42686
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Originally Posted by Clepto View Post

Anyone know if Anthem is offering an HDMI 1.3 upgrade to the AVM-50?

I'm not sure that HDMI 1.3 is even finalized yet. It's not on the hdmi.org website.
post #344 of 42686
I'm supposed to get my AVM50 on Friday. I don't think I've had a good nights sleep since last Friday when I bought it. Thank goodness its' a long weekend here in Canada. That'll give me some extra time to get to know my Anthem gear. Now, if only Amazon would ship my DVD-Audio disks in time!
post #345 of 42686
Phil -

Thanks for the info. My SA 8300HD is connected to an HDMI to DVI converter, which in turn is connected to a DVI switcher, which is then connected to my 720p projector. I have had no problems whatsoever with my DVI switcher. If my SA 8300HD is on and I'm watching another source, then switch my DVI switcher to use the 8300HD, everything works. Hopefully, Anthem can resolve this problem soon via firmware upgrade or other workaround. Let us know if you get more information.

BTW - my projector is a Marantz projector. It does some processing for video that is connected to its component inputs (I believe with its built-in Faroudja chip which isn't ideal for high-def sources). However, it doesn't do the same processing for sources connected to its DVI input. Thus, for high-def sources, the DVI input looks better than the component input. This is why it's important for me that the HDMI work with the SA 8300HD (unlike with your setup, where component and HDMI inputs look similar... I suppose the D2 can convert component to HDMI output, which I would send to my projector, but I would prefer not to go that route).

Thanks!
post #346 of 42686
Phil, I don't have that problem,
When I switch from SA to PIO DVD (all connected through HDMI) there is no problems, and nothing goes crazy.
HDMI should not be able to turn on your components.
This one is an interesting problem
post #347 of 42686
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Originally Posted by elmac View Post

Phil, I don't have that problem,
When I switch from SA to PIO DVD (all connected through HDMI) there is no problems, and nothing goes crazy.
HDMI should not be able to turn on your components.
This one is an interesting problem

It certainly is interesting and not all SA8300HD's are created equal. It is dependent on the cable system and software running. In my case it is Time Warner Cable with Passport Software. The main problem is with the HDMI implementation and software on my SA8300HD; howver, based upon the fact that I had zero issues when using the HDMI out connected to my Lumagen VisionPro HDP tells me that there is also something different, not necessarily wrong, just different with Anthem's HDMI and HDCP implementation. Hopefully they will figure it out and get it in an upcoming update
post #348 of 42686
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Originally Posted by randman View Post

Phil -

Thanks for the info. My SA 8300HD is connected to an HDMI to DVI converter, which in turn is connected to a DVI switcher, which is then connected to my 720p projector. I have had no problems whatsoever with my DVI switcher. If my SA 8300HD is on and I'm watching another source, then switch my DVI switcher to use the 8300HD, everything works. Hopefully, Anthem can resolve this problem soon via firmware upgrade or other workaround. Let us know if you get more information.

BTW - my projector is a Marantz projector. It does some processing for video that is connected to its component inputs (I believe with its built-in Faroudja chip which isn't ideal for high-def sources). However, it doesn't do the same processing for sources connected to its DVI input. Thus, for high-def sources, the DVI input looks better than the component input. This is why it's important for me that the HDMI work with the SA 8300HD (unlike with your setup, where component and HDMI inputs look similar... I suppose the D2 can convert component to HDMI output, which I would send to my projector, but I would prefer not to go that route).

Thanks!

I have a Hughes HTL-HD Directv receiver with DVI out... It gave me nothing but problems on the D2.... and it didn't work properly with my old Denon 5805.. But I comapred it DVI - Component through the D2, and the component looks just as good to my eyes... problem solved.. It seems these DVI implimentations are more screwed up than the HDMI ones.. I am not sure how much effort Anthem is going to put in to fixing all of the DVI-HDMI issues.
post #349 of 42686
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Originally Posted by randman View Post

...However, it doesn't do the same processing for sources connected to its DVI input. Thus, for high-def sources, the DVI input looks better than the component input. This is why it's important for me that the HDMI work with the SA 8300HD (unlike with your setup, where component and HDMI inputs look similar... I suppose the D2 can convert component to HDMI output, which I would send to my projector, but I would prefer not to go that route).

Thanks!

Don't worry about not preferring to go that route. If you have to, you will missing very little if anything at all. I have component out of the SA8300HD into the D2 and HDMI out of the D2 for now until the HDMI issue is solved.

I have compared HDMI out Vs. Component out into the D2 numerous times now trying to debug my HDMI problem. The difference is minimal at best and I am hard pressed to tell the difference. Believe me I would put up with my issue if the HDMI out looked that much better, it just doesn't. In the meantime, to me the only thing I am missing is the simpler 1 cable hookup that HDMI allows. Of course I want HDMI to work, but until things get sorted out, things are good for now and I am looking forward to Anthem adding more features.
post #350 of 42686
bassbone57 - Thanks for the explanation, however, I was trying to find out what pre/pro or receiver is yatchaks replacing in his system with the AVM50.

Cheers!
post #351 of 42686
good to hear the AVM 50s are out. Puts me closer to being able to upgrade my D1.
post #352 of 42686
I had a chance to work with a D2 with a Gennum scaler yesterday. It is a nice product, but be careful. In this case only a single combination did not result in scaling problems or level clipping. This is after examining all four format options on the HDMI source format (RGB, RGB Extended, Component, Component 12 bit) to the D2 and all the similar options on the HDMI output from the D2. The magic combination in this case was Component on the input and YCbCr 4:2:2 on the D2. Otherwise, the Gennum appeared to do a nice job assuming you select the proper options for your equipment.
post #353 of 42686
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Originally Posted by Clepto View Post

Anyone know if Anthem is offering an HDMI 1.3 upgrade to the AVM-50?

I realize 1.3 isn't out yet, but was wondering if Anthem/Dealers were going to be offering an upgrade (whether firmware or hardware) in the future.
post #354 of 42686
Thanks for the info Jeff. The problems you incurred were they a limitation of the D2 or the source equipment and the SIL 9030 chip which has the clipping problem?

I have three HDMI sources and the only one that has the clipping problem is my Toshiba HD-D1 HD DVD Player which uses the SIL 9030 chipset as reported by Stacey Spears and reports 4:4:4 YCbCr. My Sony DVP-NS 975 SD DVD Player outputs 4:2:2 YCbCr and it passes BTB and WTW. My SA-8300HD cable box reports Digital RGB when connected and when using both the INHD and HDNET Test Patterns as sources does not appear to show any clipping either. I have the D2 to accept Video Levels In and Output Video Levels and my display set to accept Video Levels.

At this point, I am waiting on having somebody come in and do a full calibration until Anthem makes all there initial adjustments and bug fixes that may affect the outcome.
post #355 of 42686
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Originally Posted by umr View Post

I had a chance to work with a D2 with a Gennum scaler yesterday. It is a nice product, but be careful. In this case only a single combination did not result in scaling problems or level clipping. This is after examining all four format options on the HDMI source format (RGB, RGB Extended, Component, Component 12 bit) to the D2 and all the similar options on the HDMI output from the D2. The magic combination in this case was Component on the input and YCbCr 4:2:2 on the D2. Otherwise, the Gennum appeared to do a nice job assuming you select the proper options for your equipment.

Jeff is referring to my D2 in combination with my Pioneer DV-79avi DVD player. It was odd indeed, and still has me scratching my head.

Levesque, I know you also have the 79avi - what settings are you using with it and the D2 to your Ruby projector?

By the way, regardless of this strangeness, the resulting PQ is really excellent...owing alot to Jeff's extensive calibration of my Qualia by the way...I would HIGHLY recommend Jeff's services for video calibration and/or audio tuning.
post #356 of 42686
Phil,

It is hard to tell who was at fault in every case, but I suspect both were depending on the options chosen. I just wanted to give folks a heads up that choosing the proper format can be tricky. Level problems were also not the only ones encountered. Converting formats caused problems with scaling as well.
post #357 of 42686
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Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan View Post

....By the way, regardless of this strangeness, the resulting PQ is really excellent...owing alot to Jeff's extensive calibration of my Qualia by the way...I would HIGHLY recommend Jeff's services for video calibration and/or audio tuning.

Thanks for such positive feedback. It was a pleasure working with you as well.
post #358 of 42686
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Originally Posted by musica View Post

bassbone57 - Thanks for the explanation, however, I was trying to find out what pre/pro or receiver is yatchaks replacing in his system with the AVM50.

Cheers!

Sorry, I see what you were getting at now musica.


-K
post #359 of 42686
clepto - I spoke with my local dealer about a month ago regarding upgrades. In general, Anthem will offer upgrades. However, at that time, my dealer was waiting for details on the program - upgrade paths, cost and timeframe. I will stop by over the next few days to get an update.

Cheers!
post #360 of 42686
Thank you for the info Jeff. If you can and do not mind, please pass any info you feel is relevant along to Anthem so hopefully fixes and adjustments can be made and incorporated into future firmware updates where applicable on Anthem's part. Again, thanks for the info and your expertise.
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