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post #3301 of 40756
1/4/07 at 2:09pm
I have tried using the Simulcast feature several times to keep the display on while listening to a CD. The issue I have is if I am set to Sat1 or DVD1 and hold the these buttons down to activate the simulcast feature, it will first go to Sat2 or DVD2 as opposed to staying at either Sat1 or DVD1. In other words I end up watching the signal from Sat 2 as opposed to Sat1 while listening to a CD. The same is true of the DVD inputs.

Anyone else experiencing this?
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post #3302 of 40756
1/4/07 at 5:22pm
I just got my D2 installed today. I have a Sony DVD player (the 400 capacity HDMI model w/o the RS-232 port) that is set to output interlaced video. The D2 is showing 1080i in the digital display even though the Sony can't output that (that i know of).

Same thing is also happening with my cable box (Scientific Atlanta), even in the old non-HD channels, but that could be the box.

The D2 is running 1.06.

Its going to a Panasonic 65PX600U (the consumer 1080P model Plasma). The installer set it to output 1920 @ 60, is that right?
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post #3303 of 40756
1/4/07 at 6:10pm
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Originally Posted by Jongoldman View Post

I just got my D2 installed today. I have a Sony DVD player (the 400 capacity HDMI model w/o the RS-232 port) that is set to output interlaced video. The D2 is showing 1080i in the digital display even though the Sony can't output that (that i know of).

Same thing is also happening with my cable box (Scientific Atlanta), even in the old non-HD channels, but that could be the box.

The D2 is running 1.06.

Its going to a Panasonic 65PX600U (the consumer 1080P model Plasma). The installer set it to output 1920 @ 60, is that right?

Everything sounds ok.. your DVD player(the DVPCX995V?) is upscaling to 1080i ( it doesn't do 480i over HDMI), your cable box is upconverting everything to 1080i, and the installer set it to output 1920x1080/60p... that is correct..
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post #3304 of 40756
1/4/07 at 8:05pm
The quality from the Sony is quite good. Do you think it would be worth using Component to see if 480i is better?

I have to play with the cable box, I'd imagine its doing a lousy job of upconverting.
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post #3305 of 40756
1/4/07 at 9:19pm
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

I have tried using the Simulcast feature several times to keep the display on while listening to a CD. The issue I have is if I am set to Sat1 or DVD1 and hold the these buttons down to activate the simulcast feature, it will first go to Sat2 or DVD2 as opposed to staying at either Sat1 or DVD1. In other words I end up watching the signal from Sat 2 as opposed to Sat1 while listening to a CD. The same is true of the DVD inputs.

Anyone else experiencing this?

Oh great!

I don't use Simulcast myself as I've set up my inputs for such "mixed" sources already.

I wouldn't be at all surprised to discover Anthem broke Simulcast when introducing the new, overlayed inputs (i.e., DVD 1 and DVD 2, etc.).

If you are not actually using the overlayed inputs you can individually "disable" them in the Setup / Source Select menu, and that should get Simulcast working for you for at least the main input of the same name, but if this is truly the way it is working now it is a pretty egregious bug.

Deep sigh....

This is one Anthem is going to have to tackle.
--Bob
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post #3306 of 40756
1/4/07 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by Jongoldman View Post

The quality from the Sony is quite good. Do you think it would be worth using Component to see if 480i is better?

I have to play with the cable box, I'd imagine its doing a lousy job of upconverting.

Absolutely. The content coming off the standard DVDs is 480i. The Anthem almost certainly does a better job of de-interlacing and scaling than the DVD player.

For many players, Component 480i output is every bit as good as HDMI 480i output. For some players there will be some gratuitous filtering introduced which loses just a bit of image resolution.

You just have to be careful to separately calibrate the basic blacks/whites/colors/ sharpness levels for each style of input from each device. I.e., there's no good reason to assume that the best levels in the Anthem input settings for any HDMI device (even one sending 480i) will ALSO, automatically be the best input levels for 480i from a Component video device -- EVEN IF IT IS THE SAME DEVICE.

Set up video output from the Anthem to your TV first using the TVs own level controls and then separately set the Anthem input levels for each source.

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For the cable box, see if you can set it to a mode which passes through exactly what it is receiving. For SDTV channels that will always be 480i. For HDTV channels it will usually be 1080i but sometimes will be 720p.
--bob
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post #3307 of 40756
1/5/07 at 8:08am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


Here's a simple test: Disconnect the incoming cable TV cable feed from your equipment. If you have more than one cable TV setup in your house, disconnect the cable feed for ALL of them just to be sure. Now see if the Component video stuff from your other devices works better through the AVM-50. If so, then you need to block the garbage coming in on that cable TV cable.
--Bob

I disconnected all the cable feeds and am still having issues. I did find with the DVD player to Anthem issue that if I hit the "Stop" button on the DVD remote to get it to return to the Integra splash screen that the Anthem then gets the video sync and I can then play the DVD fine but as soon as I switch to another video input then go back to DVD I need to hit stop again or it never gets video sync again.

Guess I will be taking it into my dealer and trying more tests there...
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post #3308 of 40756
1/5/07 at 8:50am
Pardon my post, but I'm trying to decide if it's worth it for me to upgrade my avm20v2 to a avm20-HD (avm50)..

Would I benefit ?

Hitachi 65S500 65" rptv it has component & DVI inputs.. (1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i)

Pioneer Elite Laser Disc/DVD player does composite, s-video & component (dvd only) at 480i

Panasonic Progressive DVD CP72 does 480p thru component


Anyway what I'm trying to decide is whether the upgrade would benefit me w/ my current 2yr RPTV..

Will it upconvert all my sources to 1080i ? dvd's and LD's ..?? thru either component or DVI ??

BTW, my local dealer is of no help...so I'd deal directly w/ Anthem.

Thanks for the advice ..

Regards,
Jose
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post #3309 of 40756
1/5/07 at 10:42am
I have a question about the 24/96Khz setting within the AVM50.

I have purchased the new Slimdevices Transporter (incredible DAC/world clock besting the AVM) for music listening. The Transporter is capable of 24/96Khz output.

Never have I owned 24/96 recordings, but Santa dropped off the Best Of Audiophile Voices collection as well as a few other 24/96 recordings.

The Transporter is connected via balanced cables to the AVM and is running in two channel direct mode.

My question is, should I switch to 96Khz in the AVM when listening to 24/96 recordings, or stay with 44.1?

Or, since its balanced direct, does the AVM pass through the native format?

Mark
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post #3310 of 40756
1/5/07 at 12:27pm
I have an older HDTV with component inputs only- no HDMI or DVI inputs. Can the D2/AVM50 transmit a Gennum VXP-processed signal at 1080i through the component outputs? So if I fed it HDMI 480i from an Oppo 970 and HDMI 1080i from my Dish 921, then the processor does its thing and gives me an improved 1080i component signal to feed my TV?
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post #3311 of 40756
1/5/07 at 12:33pm
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Originally Posted by Jose_L View Post

Pardon my post, but I'm trying to decide if it's worth it for me to upgrade my avm20v2 to a avm20-HD (avm50)..

Will it upconvert all my sources to 1080i ? dvd's and LD's ..?? thru either component or DVI ??

BTW, my local dealer is of no help...so I'd deal directly w/ Anthem.

Thanks for the advice ..

Regards,
Jose

I am sure others will reply shortly.

In general the Gennum VXP processing in the Anthem AVM50 and D2 is considered to be among the best at its price point. There are many forums posts which go into details on this. That being said if you do not need the extensive tweaking capability and sound qualities of the AVM50/D2 then there are less expensive receivers such as Denon 2807 and others which can also do basic upconversion/switching of video sources and output HDMI as well.

It can upconvert and process from s-video, component, hdmi inputs and output that via component and/or HDMI to a display device. In your case you will need an HDMI -> DVI cable to go from the AVM into your display. It has configurable output resolutions so you can do 1080i, 720p and many other variations.
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post #3312 of 40756
1/5/07 at 1:26pm
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Originally Posted by GabGuy View Post

I have an older HDTV with component inputs only- no HDMI or DVI inputs. Can the D2/AVM50 transmit a Gennum VXP-processed signal at 1080i through the component outputs? So if I fed it HDMI 480i from an Oppo 970 and HDMI 1080i from my Dish 921, then the processor does its thing and gives me an improved 1080i component signal to feed my TV?

No. It is a violation of the industry's required copy protection scheme -- a mandatory part of HDMI -- for any device to turn a typical, home theater, copy protected HDMI source into a Component video output.

The Anthems can scale Component video inputs to higher resolution and send that out on HDMI output whether or not the input Component video is copy protected. They can do the same with Component to Component so long as the input Component video is not "Macrovision" copy protected. Otherwise you are limited to 480p Component video output.

Basically this means that HDMI sources will be useless to you.

Component video from cable and satellite boxes can be handled just fine by the Anthem -- with 480i SDTV and 720p HDTV scaled up to Component 1080i output for you. Such signals are not copy protected. Component 1080i input will also be adjusted as necessary for color space and format.

Component video from standard DVD players will be de-interlaced from 480i to 480p by the Anthem -- which is a major thing in its own right -- but may not be scaled up depending upon how the disc is authored.
--Bob
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post #3313 of 40756
1/5/07 at 1:39pm
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Originally Posted by Jose_L View Post

Pardon my post, but I'm trying to decide if it's worth it for me to upgrade my avm20v2 to a avm20-HD (avm50)..

Would I benefit ?

Hitachi 65S500 65" rptv it has component & DVI inputs.. (1080i, 720p, 480p, 480i)

Pioneer Elite Laser Disc/DVD player does composite, s-video & component (dvd only) at 480i

Panasonic Progressive DVD CP72 does 480p thru component


Anyway what I'm trying to decide is whether the upgrade would benefit me w/ my current 2yr RPTV..

Will it upconvert all my sources to 1080i ? dvd's and LD's ..?? thru either component or DVI ??

BTW, my local dealer is of no help...so I'd deal directly w/ Anthem.

Thanks for the advice ..

Regards,
Jose

Jose,
You need to pull out your TV owner's manual and verify that the DVI input on your TV is "HDCP compliant". HDCP is the industry's copy protection scheme for HDMI and DVI. If you TV's DVI input is HDCP compliant than the upgrade to the AVM-50 feature set should work just fine for you even if you buy some HDMI source devices in the future.

By the way, your progressive DVD player probably has an option (usually a menu setting, but sometimes also a switch on the back) to TURN OFF the progressive output, so that it sends 480i out over the Component video cables. This is the way you want to use it with the AVM-50. Let the AVM-50 do the de-interlacing of the 480i (which is what actually comes off the DVD discs) to 480p as it will likely do a much better job.

If your laser disc player can't use Component video for output when playing laser discs, then S-video is the way to go. S-video will always be 480i.

You don't mention a TV source, so you may just be using the tuner in your TV. This is not ideal because the AVM-50 will not be able to help improve that viewing. You might want to switch to a set top box, or check and see if you can feed Component video tuner output from your TV to the Anthem and then BACK to the TV.
--Bob
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post #3314 of 40756
1/5/07 at 1:50pm
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Originally Posted by yatchaks View Post

I have a question about the 24/96Khz setting within the AVM50.

I have purchased the new Slimdevices Transporter (incredible DAC/world clock besting the AVM) for music listening. The Transporter is capable of 24/96Khz output.

Never have I owned 24/96 recordings, but Santa dropped off the Best Of Audiophile Voices collection as well as a few other 24/96 recordings.

The Transporter is connected via balanced cables to the AVM and is running in two channel direct mode.

My question is, should I switch to 96Khz in the AVM when listening to 24/96 recordings, or stay with 44.1?

Or, since its balanced direct, does the AVM pass through the native format?

Mark

I presume you are talking about the "sampling frequency" setting in the Anthem's Setup / ADC - Audio Output menu. If so, that setting has no effect when you have the Anthem's 2 channel analog input set to Analog-Direct. It only affects the sampling rate when you use Analog-DSP for that input, in which case it is the sampling rate for converting the analog audio input signal into digital audio inside the Anthem.
--Bob
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post #3315 of 40756
1/5/07 at 2:07pm
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Originally Posted by maclarenjc View Post

Guess I will be taking it into my dealer and trying more tests there...

That sounds like the best plan. If it is easy to demonstrate the Component video side of your video board is flakey then you can get the wheels turning to get a replacement. No need to try to diagnose it further at home.

If it WORKS in the store, then we have a bit of a challenge ahead of us.

By the way, I'd suggest you bring your PLAYER to the store as well.

If the Anthem works via Component with the STORE'S player and display, then swap in your player and see if still works with the store's display. If so, that means it is either a display problem at your end or an environemental problem such as a ground loop not caused by the cable TV, or perhaps flakey cables.
--Bob
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post #3316 of 40756
1/5/07 at 3:17pm
Bob Pariseau, & everyone ..

Thanks for the reply's..

I checked the manual for the rptv, it does say that it has a HDCP compliant DVI input..

So I could use a hdmi > DVI cable...

But setting the LD (svideo) & Panasonic DVD (component) both to 480i what would the avm50 do ? upconvert to 1080i or 480p ??

Thank you for your time,,

Regards,
Jose
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post #3317 of 40756
1/5/07 at 3:40pm
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Originally Posted by Jose_L View Post

Bob Pariseau, & everyone ..

Thanks for the reply's..

I checked the manual for the rptv, it does say that it has a HDCP compliant DVI input..

So I could use a hdmi > DVI cable...

But setting the LD (svideo) & Panasonic DVD (component) both to 480i what would the avm50 do ? upconvert to 1080i or 480p ??

Thank you for your time,,

Regards,
Jose

The AVM-50 will upconvert either of those to 1080i if you so wish. De-interlacing from 480i to 480p gets done as a preliminary step when doing that.
--Bob
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post #3318 of 40756
1/5/07 at 4:58pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I presume you are talking about the "sampling frequency" setting in the Anthem's Setup / ADC - Audio Output menu. If so, that setting has no effect when you have the Anthem's 2 channel analog input set to Analog-Direct. It only affects the sampling rate when you use Analog-DSP for that input, in which case it is the sampling rate for converting the analog audio input signal into digital audio inside the Anthem.
--Bob


Thanks Bob. I was writing from work and could have sworn 96Khz was an option while running Analog/Direct. Sometimes I get a little to excited to experiment with new ideas, and become brain dead.

While I'm thinking of it, the Transporter actually has a built in pre-amp. Some have decided to bypass their dedicated pre-amp in favor of the transporter's pre-amp, and run straight into their amp. Analog output attenuation is available for this purpose.

I'm thinking of attempting this, but wonder if the AVM's balanced in bypasses the AVM's internal parts all together. Hence, it's the same as running directly to the amp anyway, so no need to spend time pulling equuipment and rerouting cables.

Any thoughts?

Mark
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post #3319 of 40756
1/5/07 at 5:12pm
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Originally Posted by yatchaks View Post

Thanks Bob. I was writing from work and could have sworn 96Khz was an option while running Analog/Direct. Sometimes I get a little to excited to experiment with new ideas, and become brain dead.

While I'm thinking of it, the Transporter actually has a built in pre-amp. Some have decided to bypass their dedicated pre-amp in favor of the transporter's pre-amp, and run straight into their amp. Analog output attenuation is available for this purpose.

I'm thinking of attempting this, but wonder if the AVM's balanced in bypasses the AVM's internal parts all together. Hence, it's the same as running directly to the amp anyway, so no need to spend time pulling equuipment and rerouting cables.

Any thoughts?

Mark

Hey Mark,
I also have the Transporter with the D2 They RULE!
I'm guessing your using full range main speakers, as you want to bypass the D2 bass management, etc....
I believe Analog-Direct in the D2 bypasses all processing except volume control.
So you should be good to go through the D2.
You might want to also try using the BNC digital out of the Transporter into the BNC digital input of the D2.... sounds very nice. As good as the Transporter's DAC? I think so... but then you're sort of wasting the excellent sounding DAC of the Transporter My remedy is to use both connections and alternate every now and then. Make sure you check the D2 analog level control as the Transporter's analog output is so strong I had to turn this control in the D2 down 9db
If not you get an overload situation within the D2 and it sounds horrible.

dc
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post #3320 of 40756
1/5/07 at 6:08pm
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Originally Posted by DreamCatcher View Post

Hey Mark,
I also have the Transporter with the D2 They RULE!
I'm guessing your using full range main speakers, as you want to bypass the D2 bass management, etc....
I believe Analog-Direct in the D2 bypasses all processing except volume control.
So you should be good to go through the D2.
You might want to also try using the BNC digital out of the Transporter into the BNC digital input of the D2.... sounds very nice. As good as the Transporter's DAC? I think so... but then you're sort of wasting the excellent sounding DAC of the Transporter My remedy is to use both connections and alternate every now and then. Make sure you check the D2 analog level control as the Transporter's analog output is so strong I had to turn this control in the D2 down 9db
If not you get an overload situation within the D2 and it sounds horrible.

dc

Thanks a lot, I really appreciate the advice!

I'll leave it hooked via the balanced connection.

Previously, I was using my Mac Mini as a transport and I am very happy with the Transporter finding its way into my home, it as an incredible sounding piece of equipment.

I hope others on this forum who listen to a lot of music, give the Transporter a whirl. I'm sure they will be as pleased as we are.

The free squeezebox found itself in my wifes bathroom, and she loves it.

Disclaimer: I don't work for slimdevices or work in the audio/video field, just very pleased with their product and spreading the word of a not to well known product/technology.


Mark
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post #3321 of 40756
1/5/07 at 6:31pm
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Originally Posted by Jose_L View Post

Bob Pariseau, & everyone ..

Thanks for the reply's..

I checked the manual for the rptv, it does say that it has a HDCP compliant DVI input..

So I could use a hdmi > DVI cable...

But setting the LD (svideo) & Panasonic DVD (component) both to 480i what would the avm50 do ? upconvert to 1080i or 480p ??

Thank you for your time,,

Regards,
Jose

Jose,

The theory, well founded is you want the output of the Anthem to match the native rate, preferably even pixel for pixel with your display device. This will scale and deinterlace as necessary and most appropriate input sources to the target display resolution and other characteristics within the constraints of any copy protection issues.

So many different sources in (preferably as close to 480i standard def in & 720p or 1080 i/p for High Def) and let the Anthem do the magic. The better calibrated the output to the display and the inputs into the anthem the better the picture you will get.

Getting as close to native rate out of the anthem is the raison d'etre (where's that crazy circumflex or other symbol when you need it).

Tim
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post #3322 of 40756
1/5/07 at 7:01pm
Yellow
Hi:
After reading the discussions concerning the inability of the D2 to support PIP or P by P, I have the following question:
For my 5.2 HT, (2 subs, zone 1) plus 2.1, (zone2, 1 sub), I had planned to purchase a NEC PX-50XR6, (w/ PIP features). If I have OTA reception and DVR, no cable nor satellite, could I still realize PIP from the plasma, (through the D2)?


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post #3323 of 40756
1/5/07 at 7:51pm
Does anyone have a Anthem D2/AVM-50 feeding an Optoma HD70, by chance? I picked up the DLP projector this evening for game nights with the buddies and I've read elsewhere on the forum that the projector accepts 1080p/60 (though it scales it back down to 720p/60). This was attractive to me as I could keep my Anthem's scaler at 1080p/60 and feed my 1080p tv and my 720p PJ at the same time, without toggling resolutions.

However, I can't get the PJ to accept 1080p/60. It accepts 1080p/24, 1080p/25, and 1080p/30 with stuttering, but it can't find the signal on 1080p/60.

Ok, with that said, I'm temporarily using (until my HDMI cable arrives next week) a DVI-DVI cable with an DVI->HDMI adapter at each end. Could this possibly be my problem? Should I mess with the Anthem's frame lock properties or something instead?
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post #3324 of 40756
1/5/07 at 8:00pm
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Originally Posted by goenkar View Post

Bob,

Is this a hardware limitation in the Anthem ?

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I don't know the answer to that. In any event it is not a significant limitation.
--Bob

Bob,
Could you please expand on this?

I understand there isn't much software currently supporting more than 5.1 LPCM tracks, however, at which time we see more titles including additional tracks, encoded with Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, what are D1-HD/D2 owners going to do? As it stands right now, we have no ability to work with more than 5.1 LPCM channels via HDMI.

This has me concerned, albeit, I'm not sure how concerned I should really be, or if I should assume at which time this becomes a bigger issue Anthem will be able to upgrade the unit accordingly.

I suppose I assumed a flagship product such as this would have no trouble working with these new high-def audio formats through some kind of upgrade, and I'm a little surprised to find out it doesn't! Well, not 100% support anyways. More over, if my reading is correct (may be wrong here); some receivers currently exist or are on the horizon that accept 7.1 LPCM, costing thousands of dollars less than the D1-HD/D2! Granted, they won't have the video processing, but let's stick with the audio side of things; they can do 7.1!

What are peoples take on this limitation of the D1-HD/D2? Reason for concern, or not? Facing a pending upgrade to my D1 in order to get HDMI, I wonder if I should be instead considering a different pre-pro that's more future friendly.

Aside from this 5.1 LPCM limitation, I love the D1; a beautiful and remarkable sounding piece of consumer electronics.

Cheers.
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post #3325 of 40756
1/5/07 at 9:10pm
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Originally Posted by Nathan_R View Post

Does anyone have a Anthem D2/AVM-50 feeding an Optoma HD70, by chance? I picked up the DLP projector this evening for game nights with the buddies and I've read elsewhere on the forum that the projector accepts 1080p/60 (though it scales it back down to 720p/60). This was attractive to me as I could keep my Anthem's scaler at 1080p/60 and feed my 1080p tv and my 720p PJ at the same time, without toggling resolutions.

However, I can't get the PJ to accept 1080p/60. It accepts 1080p/24, 1080p/25, and 1080p/30 with stuttering, but it can't find the signal on 1080p/60.

Ok, with that said, I'm temporarily using (until my HDMI cable arrives next week) a DVI-DVI cable with an DVI->HDMI adapter at each end. Could this possibly be my problem? Should I mess with the Anthem's frame lock properties or something instead?

Are you using a good quality HDMI cable & how long is the cable run? 1080p/60 requires more than double the bandwidth of 1080p/24. If the spec sheet for the project says it takes 1080p/60, then that's a possible problem. High bandwidth requires high frequency, making signal integrity more of a concern.
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post #3326 of 40756
1/5/07 at 9:13pm
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Originally Posted by IncraTL View Post

Yellow
Hi:
After reading the discussions concerning the inability of the D2 to support PIP or P by P, I have the following question:
For my 5.2 HT, (2 subs, zone 1) plus 2.1, (zone2, 1 sub), I had planned to purchase a NEC PX-50XR6, (w/ PIP features). If I have OTA reception and DVR, no cable nor satellite, could I still realize PIP from the plasma, (through the D2)?

Incra,
I suppose the question is what's the processing path for your OTA reception? If it is entirely inside the NEC -- using a tuner built-in to the NEC -- and if the NEC's PIP feature allows you to PIP an OTA source with an external source, then you are good to go. The Anthem would never see the OTA video. It would just see the DVR video. Meanwhile the NEC would have no way to distinguish that the external video it was PIPing with its own OTA video had gone through the Anthem.

On the other hand, this means you will get no advantage from the Anthem for your OTA viewing.

Keep in mind while sorting this out, that it is trivial to send audio and video by different processing paths. So your OTA video may stay entirely within the NEC while the audio for OTA viewing comes out the NEC and goes through the Anthem on the way to your speakers.
--Bob
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post #3327 of 40756
1/5/07 at 9:20pm
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Originally Posted by Nathan_R View Post

Does anyone have a Anthem D2/AVM-50 feeding an Optoma HD70, by chance? I picked up the DLP projector this evening for game nights with the buddies and I've read elsewhere on the forum that the projector accepts 1080p/60 (though it scales it back down to 720p/60). This was attractive to me as I could keep my Anthem's scaler at 1080p/60 and feed my 1080p tv and my 720p PJ at the same time, without toggling resolutions.

However, I can't get the PJ to accept 1080p/60. It accepts 1080p/24, 1080p/25, and 1080p/30 with stuttering, but it can't find the signal on 1080p/60.

Ok, with that said, I'm temporarily using (until my HDMI cable arrives next week) a DVI-DVI cable with an DVI->HDMI adapter at each end. Could this possibly be my problem? Should I mess with the Anthem's frame lock properties or something instead?

Nathan,
You mean you are driving both displays at the same time? How are you splitting the Anthem's HDMI output?

Using a DVI-DVI cable with DVI-HDMI adapters at each end is, theoretically, IDENTICAL to using an HDMI cable -- even to the extent of being able to pass digital audio over it!

However each connector to connector interface is a source of potential signal degradation. And as you may already be aware from your 1080p experience with your other display, not all manufacturers bother to either engineer or test their HDMI or DVI cables for the high bandwidth required by 1080p/60Hz. So you could be losing due to the DVI cable itself, or due to the combo of the DVI cable and the pair of adapters.

The fact that you can get the lower bandwidth signals to work suggests to me that you are having cable quality, or length, problems at 1080p/60Hz.
--Bob
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post #3328 of 40756
1/5/07 at 9:26pm
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Originally Posted by HTfanatic4life View Post

Bob,
Could you please expand on this?

I understand there isn't much software currently supporting more than 5.1 LPCM tracks, however, at which time we see more titles including additional tracks, encoded with Dolby TrueHD or DTS-HD, what are D1-HD/D2 owners going to do? As it stands right now, we have no ability to work with more than 5.1 LPCM channels via HDMI.

This has me concerned, albeit, I'm not sure how concerned I should really be, or if I should assume at which time this becomes a bigger issue Anthem will be able to upgrade the unit accordingly.

I suppose I assumed a flagship product such as this would have no trouble working with these new high-def audio formats through some kind of upgrade, and I'm a little surprised to find out it doesn't! Well, not 100% support anyways. More over, if my reading is correct (may be wrong here); some receivers currently exist or are on the horizon that accept 7.1 LPCM, costing thousands of dollars less than the D1-HD/D2! Granted, they won't have the video processing, but let's stick with the audio side of things; they can do 7.1!

What are peoples take on this limitation of the D1-HD/D2? Reason for concern, or not? Facing a pending upgrade to my D1 in order to get HDMI, I wonder if I should be instead considering a different pre-pro that's more future friendly.

Aside from this 5.1 LPCM limitation, I love the D1; a beautiful and remarkable sounding piece of consumer electronics.

Cheers.

Although technically interesting, real-world commercial film mixes above 5.1 are just not the norm, and, in my opinion, are not distinguishable from the "invented" rear surround information that a well designed device like the Anthem can produce when asked to drive 7.1 setups from a 5.1 source.

This assessment works for most commercial movies, but does *NOT* work for either games or for movies that have an exceptionally aggressive, discrete rear track (either 6.1 or 7.1) created largely as a gimmick.

Now, that said, this is my personal opinion. FILM MIXER, being in the industry, might be able to provide some much needed expertise here.
--Bob
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1/5/07 at 10:10pm
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Originally Posted by yatchaks View Post

Thanks a lot, I really appreciate the advice!

I'll leave it hooked via the balanced connection.

Previously, I was using my Mac Mini as a transport and I am very happy with the Transporter finding its way into my home, it as an incredible sounding piece of equipment.

I hope others on this forum who listen to a lot of music, give the Transporter a whirl. I'm sure they will be as pleased as we are.

The free squeezebox found itself in my wifes bathroom, and she loves it.

Disclaimer: I don't work for slimdevices or work in the audio/video field, just very pleased with their product and spreading the word of a not to well known product/technology.


Mark

Mark, How are you streaming audio to your Transporter and SlimServer?
Have you tried and compared analog/digital to your D2?
What main speakers are you using?

dc
btw, nice Avatar
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1/5/07 at 10:30pm
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Nathan,
You mean you are driving both displays at the same time? How are you splitting the Anthem's HDMI output?

Using a DVI-DVI cable with DVI-HDMI adapters at each end is, theoretically, IDENTICAL to using an HDMI cable -- even to the extent of being able to pass digital audio over it!

However each connector to connector interface is a source of potential signal degradation. And as you may already be aware from your 1080p experience with your other display, not all manufacturers bother to either engineer or test their HDMI or DVI cables for the high bandwidth required by 1080p/60Hz. So you could be losing due to the DVI cable itself, or due to the combo of the DVI cable and the pair of adapters.

The fact that you can get the lower bandwidth signals to work suggests to me that you are having cable quality, or length, problems at 1080p/60Hz.
--Bob

Bob, I tend to agree with your thoughts. I think I'm having a cable quality issue here-- especially with the number of adapters I have going on between the splitter and the PJ. I'll see what happens when my long Monoprice cable arrives.

For what it's worth, I'm using the 2-port Gefen HDMI splitter (EXT-HDMI-142).
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