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post #34411 of 40779
9/16/11 at 11:09pm
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Originally Posted by esander3 View Post

I believe that you have to have analogue video hooked up for Zone 2 to get a picture. You cannot be using HDMI as the video source and get Zone 2 to work for video.

I believe that the same thing applies for audio. You cannot use digital audio and direct analogue audio to Zone 2.

Ed

Apparently when I first set it up it was with over the air TV which is an analog connection from the TV. That works, only the Sat and Blu-Ray are not working and those are both connected via HDMI.

This seems like a pretty stupid design error. So if I want to put the Sat TV sound over the whole house audio I have to connect the sound through an analog input? Brilliant! Maybe I'll trash this thing and just stick a Denon AVR in there.

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post #34412 of 40779
9/17/11 at 12:05am
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Originally Posted by Montekay View Post

Apparently when I first set it up it was with over the air TV which is an analog connection from the TV. That works, only the Sat and Blu-Ray are not working and those are both connected via HDMI.

This seems like a pretty stupid design error. So if I want to put the Sat TV sound over the whole house audio I have to connect the sound through an analog input? Brilliant! Maybe I'll trash this thing and just stick a Denon AVR in there.

mk

Well, you can "Copy Zone 1 to Zone2" and thus get video/audio into that zone without a problem, but if you want truly independent switchability for Zone 2 for a given source, then that source must have analog audio connected in addition to whatever other connections you're using digitally for that source. That's why if you're even thinking of needing to be playing one thing in Zone1 while listening to a totally different source in Zone 2 for instance, or Zone 3, then you should connect analog cables for every source right from the start, so it's there when you need it. Otherwise, you're limited to just "Copy Zone X to Zone Y"...which doesn't always cut it.

Good luck, and stay away from Denon - 4 out of 5 dentists recommend listening with Anthem over that "other" brand

Brian
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post #34413 of 40779
9/17/11 at 12:10am
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Originally Posted by Montekay View Post


Apparently when I first set it up it was with over the air TV which is an analog connection from the TV. That works, only the Sat and Blu-Ray are not working and those are both connected via HDMI.

This seems like a pretty stupid design error. So if I want to put the Sat TV sound over the whole house audio I have to connect the sound through an analog input? Brilliant! Maybe I'll trash this thing and just stick a Denon AVR in there.

mk

Copy Protection prevents conversion of HDMI input to Component output. The same video restriction you are finding on Zone 2 would apply if you used Component output for the Main path as well. It would not work for HDMI Sources.

The Sat video doesn't gain from using HDMI for video, so you can likely hook it up either just Component or BOTH HDMI and Component. Zone 2 would use the Component feed.

Blu-ray is another kettle of fish as new players are not supposed to output HD on Component.

The OPPO 93 and 95 were part of the last generation grandfathered under the old rules, and can output 1080i on Component for Blu-ray, while also producing HDMI HD output. NOTE that ALL Blu-ray players, no matter how old, will limit SD-DVD playback to 480p over Component.

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For audio, the limitation is that only the Main Path has the decoder to convert digital audio Sources to analog. So to get audio on Zone 2 you EITHER have to use an analog Source, OR you have to "Copy" Main to Zone 2 for audio.

When you Copy Main like that, the audio selected for Main is available as a Stereo down-mix on Zone 2, even if Main is currently listening to a digital audio Source.
--Bob
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post #34414 of 40779
9/17/11 at 12:56pm
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Originally Posted by Montekay View Post

Apparently when I first set it up it was with over the air TV which is an analog connection from the TV. That works, only the Sat and Blu-Ray are not working and those are both connected via HDMI.

This seems like a pretty stupid design error. So if I want to put the Sat TV sound over the whole house audio I have to connect the sound through an analog input? Brilliant! Maybe I'll trash this thing and just stick a Denon AVR in there.

mk

i do a lot of home theatre installs & all receivers i have done work this way as well
you need an analog audio connection from the source device to zone 2/3
none will down-convert an HDMI audio signal

mark
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post #34415 of 40779
9/17/11 at 2:13pm
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Originally Posted by mkaye View Post

i do a lot of home theatre installs & all receivers i have done work this way as well
you need an analog audio connection from the source device to zone 2/3
none will down-convert an HDMI audio signal

mark

Hmmm... Oh well! I'm only interested in the audio, sometimes I have the TV on but I'm doing things all around the house not really watching it. I wanted to use the AVM-20 Zone-2 as a source into the whole house audio system so I could have the sound in all the various rooms I'm going to be in and out of.

mk
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post #34416 of 40779
9/17/11 at 2:34pm
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Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan View Post


Good luck, and stay away from Denon - 4 out of 5 dentists recommend listening with Anthem over that "other" brand

Brian

LOL... Well,... can't argue with that.

Of course this is just the down stairs TV, a 6+ year old rear projection, it's not like it's the home theatre.

Should have known this was a copy protection thing, 99.9% of limitations done in the name of copy protection don't do a damn thing to protect intellectual property, they just create inconveniences for legitimate users. Anyway, I stuck an RCA patch cord on the Sat analog out and now it works.

thanks,
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post #34417 of 40779
9/18/11 at 4:01am
Hello.
On the remote, you Can adjust the sub+LFE on the fly. Press ones , you adjust the sub, Press twice, you adjust the LFE.
when i adjust the sub, is it only the redirectet bas from the front and surround, ore is it also the LFE Channel ? .
I funny thing is - i Can adjust the sub up and down, but the LFE i Can only adjust down. so my conclusion is that when i adjust the sub, it is both the sub and the LFE Channel. You then Got the option to turn down the LFE.
Can anybody confirm that?
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post #34418 of 40779
9/18/11 at 5:13am
Sub is LFE plus steered bass. LFE is just LFE.
--Bob
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post #34419 of 40779
9/18/11 at 6:13am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Sub is LFE plus steered bass. LFE is just LFE.
--Bob

Thanks .
So you adjust redirectet bas , whit out adjusting LFE - fancy
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post #34420 of 40779
9/21/11 at 3:49am
October 2010 I reported a problem to Anthem about a problem I'm having whereby certain CD music tracks are always muting at exactly the same point when played via a digital (coax or HDMI) connection to my AVM 50v. This happens with two different players. If I pause/play the disk the music comes back. If I use analogue connections the tracks play fine. This only started happening when I upgraded to v2.10 (I'm now on the latest release).

I've been chasing Anthem for the past year for a resolution but now Andrew says I'm the only person who's reported the problem. I'm sure I've seen people raise a similar problem here but wondered if anyone else has reported it to Anthem?

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GT
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post #34421 of 40779
9/21/11 at 5:26am
You're not the only one, I reported the same issue to Anthem 11 months ago.

Cheers
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post #34422 of 40779
9/21/11 at 6:03am
What CD(s) are they. Maybe we can all try them and see. If many report the issue they might do something.
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post #34423 of 40779
9/21/11 at 8:30am
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Originally Posted by rovingtravler View Post

What CD(s) are they. Maybe we can all try them and see. If many report the issue they might do something.

Just to name a few:

The Story So Far: The Very Best of Rod Stewart [Original recording remastered] (AU version Barcode 9325583013775)
Disc 1
Track 3
Timestamp 00:07

The Very Best of the Doors (AU version barcode 9325583042232)
Disc 1
Track 9
Timestamp 10:00

Cyndi Lauper: True Colors The Best Of (AU version barcode 886975365623)
Disc 2
Track 3
Timestamp 2:23

And here's a BD:
Dear John Blu-Ray, Dolby TrueHD (AU version Barcode 9398710889284)
Timestamp 1:14:39


There's many more CD's that are affected by this, just today the misses played a new one and it happened, but I stopped taking notes a while ago.

cheers
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post #34424 of 40779
9/21/11 at 9:07am
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Originally Posted by rovingtravler View Post

What CD(s) are they. Maybe we can all try them and see. If many report the issue they might do something.

I haven't been keeping a note of them all. The one that is ingrained in my mind is Glee Vol 2, track 13, Smile (cover of Charlie Chaplin song). This is the missus's disk and I got the usual ear bashing of "why spend this amount of money on something that doesn't work, I bet Sony wouldn't have this problem, etc, etc.

I gave this disk information to Anthem and they said they'd buy a copy and see if they could replicate the problem. Three months later and nothing has happened.
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post #34425 of 40779
9/21/11 at 9:18am
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Originally Posted by gtx01 View Post

This is the missus's disk and I got the usual ear bashing of "why spend this amount of money on something that doesn't work

And you're not the only one that got that ear full either

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post #34426 of 40779
9/22/11 at 2:49am
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Originally Posted by gtx01 View Post

October 2010 I reported a problem to Anthem about a problem I'm having whereby certain CD music tracks are always muting at exactly the same point when played via a digital (coax or HDMI) connection to my AVM 50v. This happens with two different players. If I pause/play the disk the music comes back. If I use analogue connections the tracks play fine. This only started happening when I upgraded to v2.10 (I'm now on the latest release).

I've been chasing Anthem for the past year for a resolution but now Andrew says I'm the only person who's reported the problem. I'm sure I've seen people raise a similar problem here but wondered if anyone else has reported it to Anthem?

Thanks

GT

I had this problem too right after the software update with Dolby Volume. Make sure it is totally disabled for your source. That took care of things for me.
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post #34427 of 40779
9/22/11 at 1:49pm
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Originally Posted by gtx01 View Post

October 2010 I reported a problem to Anthem about a problem I'm having whereby certain CD music tracks are always muting at exactly the same point when played via a digital (coax or HDMI) connection to my AVM 50v. This happens with two different players. If I pause/play the disk the music comes back. If I use analogue connections the tracks play fine. This only started happening when I upgraded to v2.10 (I'm now on the latest release).

I've been chasing Anthem for the past year for a resolution but now Andrew says I'm the only person who's reported the problem. I'm sure I've seen people raise a similar problem here but wondered if anyone else has reported it to Anthem?

Thanks

GT

I rip my CDs to FLAC, and then play them using S/PDIF via a squeezebox. I have had the problem you are referring to, but each time I have been able to fix it, by re-ripping that track. So, I have never reported it to Anthem.

The Anthem does seem to be pickier than other devices. The tracks that cause the problem do play fine, when played right off the computer. That being said, obviously something happened during the rip, that causes a glitch that the Anthem is not able to recover from.

John
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post #34428 of 40779
9/23/11 at 8:49am
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Originally Posted by CharlieU View Post

I had this problem too right after the software update with Dolby Volume. Make sure it is totally disabled for your source. That took care of things for me.

I've double checked and Dolby Volume is disabled for all my sources. Thanks for the suggestion though.
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post #34429 of 40779
9/23/11 at 9:05am
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Originally Posted by jpoet View Post

I rip my CDs to FLAC, and then play them using S/PDIF via a squeezebox. I have had the problem you are referring to, but each time I have been able to fix it, by re-ripping that track. So, I have never reported it to Anthem.

The Anthem does seem to be pickier than other devices. The tracks that cause the problem do play fine, when played right off the computer. That being said, obviously something happened during the rip, that causes a glitch that the Anthem is not able to recover from.

John

I'm using a Sonos connected via S/PDIF (coax) and I originally thought there was a problem with the rip so I re-ripped the track and the problem still occurred. I then tried playing the original disk on my Arcam DVD player and the same track stopped in exactly the same spot.

After a lot of experimentation, I eventually connected the Sonos using analogue outputs, i.e. using the Sonos DAC, and everything worked fine. I did the same with the DVD player and again everything worked fine. Everything points to a problem with the Anthem DAC, especially as I didn't have a problem before upgrading to v2.10.

I could of course continue to use the Sonos DAC but there is a noticeable difference in the sound and it kind of defeats the reason for spending a small fortune on the Anthem.

GT
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post #34430 of 40779
9/23/11 at 9:19am
Hello. I have the D2 with ARC (not D2v). I understand that the D2(v) will not support 3D material. I'm using a PS3 as my bluray player. To bypass the D2 for video, is it possible to still have the HDMI connected to the D2 and use some setting for "bypassing" video? Or will I need to connect the PS3 HDMI directly to the TV? What should I do about the audio portion? Would the D2 still handle this? This method isn't clean as far as connections go, so I'm wondering what the folks are doing?

Also if you need to completely bypass the D2 in HDMI connections, what are you guys doing for your remote if you are using a Harmony remote? Do you have a separate activity for Watch 3D? How is the D2 configured on your remote for video vs. audio portion for 3D content?

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Steve
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post #34431 of 40779
9/23/11 at 11:10am
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Originally Posted by shn750 View Post

Hello. I have the D2 with ARC (not D2v). I understand that the D2(v) will not support 3D material. I'm using a PS3 as my bluray player. To bypass the D2 for video, is it possible to still have the HDMI connected to the D2 and use some setting for "bypassing" video? Or will I need to connect the PS3 HDMI directly to the TV? What should I do about the audio portion? Would the D2 still handle this? This method isn't clean as far as connections go, so I'm wondering what the folks are doing?

Also if you need to completely bypass the D2 in HDMI connections, what are you guys doing for your remote if you are using a Harmony remote? Do you have a separate activity for Watch 3D? How is the D2 configured on your remote for video vs. audio portion for 3D content?

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Steve

For the PS3 and Bluray, set the D2 to 1080p/24. It will not do any processing with Bluray. For other SD, use the D2, it will do a better job than the PS3.
John
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post #34432 of 40779
9/23/11 at 11:51am
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

For the PS3 and Bluray, set the D2 to 1080p/24. It will not do any processing with Bluray. For other SD, use the D2, it will do a better job than the PS3.
John

Jayray,

I'm a little confused. Are you saying for all bluray material including 3D, set the D2 to 1080p/24? Will this use the PS3 for all bluray processing and bypass the D2 for video and audio?

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Steve
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post #34433 of 40779
9/23/11 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by shn750 View Post

Jayray,

I'm a little confused. Are you saying for all bluray material including 3D, set the D2 to 1080p/24? Will this use the PS3 for all bluray processing and bypass the D2 for video and audio?

Thanks
Steve

Steve,
I'm not Jayray, but I'm pretty sure that the video processor in the D2 will not pass a 3D signal. There is no 'pass thru' setting for the D2.

There is more than one way to skin a cat, though.

1- I see on the MonoPrice website that there is a HDMI splitter that they claim to handle 3D for @ $25. If it works as advertised you should be able to send the signal to both a 3D ready TV and the D2 via HDMI. Theoretically you would get both 3D and lossless audio. I have no experience with these splitters and they may cause handshaking problems that HDMI and the assosiated copy protection are notorious for.

2- You can buy a 3D BluRay player such as the Oppo 93/95 that has 2 HDMI outs. One HDMI can be sent directly to the TV for 3D, and one to the D2 for lossless audio. The Oppo 93 costs $500 (I think Panasonic and some others may have 2 HDMI models for @ $300). Oppo ,and hopefully the other manufacturers, have worked out most of the handshaking issues.

It is possible that you can run a 3D signal thru the D2. I don't have a 3D monitor so I haven't tried. Maybe someone else here has and can verify if it works, but I don't think it will.

Tom
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post #34434 of 40779
9/23/11 at 4:52pm
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Originally Posted by shn750 View Post


Jayray,

I'm a little confused. Are you saying for all bluray material including 3D, set the D2 to 1080p/24? Will this use the PS3 for all bluray processing and bypass the D2 for video and audio?

Thanks
Steve

No it will bypass the D2 video processor and the PS3 will do nothing as well since at that resolution nothing needs processing. The D2 will not pass 3D.
John
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post #34435 of 40779
9/23/11 at 6:41pm
Hi guys I am pressed for time and would just love it if some of you experts would answer a few questions I have

I just got a bunch of new martin logans and I want to buy anthem because of ARC

I want an anthem pre for audio only as I dont care about video proc .I was thinking about buying an anthem D1 and wonder .... Is the dacs inside the anthem d1 d2 d2v the same ?

Would these three pre's sound the same if hooked up to analog ?
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post #34436 of 40779
9/23/11 at 11:43pm
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Originally Posted by dbox1080p View Post

Hi guys I am pressed for time and would just love it if some of you experts would answer a few questions I have

I just got a bunch of new martin logans and I want to buy anthem because of ARC

I want an anthem pre for audio only as I dont care about video proc .I was thinking about buying an anthem D1 and wonder .... Is the dacs inside the anthem d1 d2 d2v the same ?

NO !

Would these three pre's sound the same if hooked up to analog ?

Theoretically yes, if set to Analog Direct. They then act as a pass thru with only the volume control effective.
If Set at Analog DSP it is not pass thru and the DACs would be effecting the audio signal.
Remember also, set at Analog Direct ARC is not turned on.

Stew
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post #34437 of 40779
9/24/11 at 12:00am
Thanks for the reply stew as it was very direct

I guess I will just try buying something else from anthem .I have heard that arc is not as good in the receivers so my choice now then would be a avm50 or avm50v or d2

Has anyone here noticed a considerable difference between 1.3 bitstream and 1.1 decoded in the player when using any of the awesome anthem prepro's
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post #34438 of 40779
9/24/11 at 5:37am
Hi guys. Thought I would post my thoughts after watching Thor on Bluray (DTS-HD MA 7.1). Now after setting my Oppo BDP-95 to LPCM (which I've had set for awhile now since Macca discovered the issues), I watched this movie tonight and noticed one thing...the sound was very average. Bass was weak and the dialogue was very low and overall sound stage was lacking. Since changing the setting in the Oppo to LPCM I haven't watched a BD with 7.1 until last week with Rambo and now Thor. After watching about 20mins of this movie I decided to try with the Bitstream setting on the Oppo and make the adjustments to the trims on the D2v while the movie was playing. So FL/FR set to +3 and Centre to -3. Holy crap what a difference the sound track came alive and the bass was insane. When I had the Oppo set to LPCM I was watching the movie at -16 (Wanting to turn it up allot more) on the D2v but with Bistream I watched the movie at -19 but boy was it loud and clear.

I read the review here that said that this BD was a powerful track and it is and will be a new reference for bass heads that's for sure:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4368/thor.html

Now from my reading setting the Oppo to LPCM for DTS-HD MA and for everything should solve the speaker trim levels when playing back 7.1 for both DTS-HD MA and True HD 7.1, but for some reason with the Thor movie the setting for LPCM just didn't sound right and turning it up didn't solve the problem. Changing to Bitstream and making the above adjustments was a whole new experience and reflected what the reviewer said.

Just sharing my thoughts and experience here guys and if anyone else has this movie please test it with both settings on the D2v and report back. In case someone asks the trims were all "0" on the Anthem when I had LPCM set in the Oppo.
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post #34439 of 40779
9/24/11 at 7:56am
Dynamic Range setting in the Oppo?
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post #34440 of 40779
9/24/11 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Hi guys. Thought I would post my thoughts after watching Thor on Bluray (DTS-HD MA 7.1). Now after setting my Oppo BDP-95 to LPCM (which I've had set for awhile now since Macca discovered the issues), I watched this movie tonight and noticed one thing...the sound was very average. Bass was weak and the dialogue was very low and overall sound stage was lacking. Since changing the setting in the Oppo to LPCM I haven't watched a BD with 7.1 until last week with Rambo and now Thor. After watching about 20mins of this movie I decided to try with the Bitstream setting on the Oppo and make the adjustments to the trims on the D2v while the movie was playing. So FL/FR set to +3 and Centre to -3. Holy crap what a difference the sound track came alive and the bass was insane. When I had the Oppo set to LPCM I was watching the movie at -16 (Wanting to turn it up allot more) on the D2v but with Bistream I watched the movie at -19 but boy was it loud and clear.


I read the review here that said that this BD was a powerful track and it is and will be a new reference for bass heads that's for sure:

http://bluray.highdefdigest.com/4368/thor.html

Now from my reading setting the Oppo to LPCM for DTS-HD MA and for everything should solve the speaker trim levels when playing back 7.1 for both DTS-HD MA and True HD 7.1, but for some reason with the Thor movie the setting for LPCM just didn't sound right and turning it up didn't solve the problem. Changing to Bitstream and making the above adjustments was a whole new experience and reflected what the reviewer said.

Just sharing my thoughts and experience here guys and if anyone else has this movie please test it with both settings on the D2v and report back. In case someone asks the trims were all "0" on the Anthem when I had LPCM set in the Oppo.

Recently I have been reading quite a few comments in other forums about there being a LFE filter being used by the studios on the BD versions of new movies even the Hi Rez codecs of Dolby and DTS. Though the filters are not being used on the standard DVD copies meaning the standard DVD copies have no LFE filter and stronger and better bass.

Maybe there are other modifications being done to HiRez audio BD Disks that are not being made public or are still undiscovered such as modifying the distance and time delay and alignment settings that might effect the sound stage. I remember reading and hearing there is a 4db change in some HiREZ audio BDs in the center channel that some critical users are now compensating for by changing their center distance setting.
Much still needs to be disclosed by the studios why they are doing this to the BD disks.

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