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post #36751 of 40881
5/1/12 at 2:17pm
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I tried it with a Sony Bravia LCD and get the same problem, only the symptoms are more constant (see attached).

Custom Resolution Manager v1.1.0 uploaded - could you try it? Please be sure that it's used in conjunction with v2.14b, not v2.14a.
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post #36752 of 40881
5/1/12 at 2:20pm
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Originally Posted by Obsidians View Post

Looking at upgrading to separates at some point (coming from the MRX 300) and I'm curious what people recommend for a 7.1 setup in terms of the allocation of amp channels. That is, I was considering doing something like a 2 channel amp for the mains + a 5 channel for the remaining channels, with the 2 channel being the stronger (say, P2 + A5). That seems like a reasonable compromise to me in terms of price / performance. However, that leaves the centre on the 5, and since I do mainly HT, that's kind of a key channel. Since there isn't a P3 + A4 option, or even P1 + P2, what should I be looking at? Adding an M1 is quite a pricey option, not sure that that would be worth it. What does everyone else do?

I use my D2v with an A2 for fronts, as I am a stereo guy for music, and an A5 for the centre and 4 surrounds. The centre, during movies, sounds terrific. Depending on your room dimensions, speaker impedances and sensitivity, the A2 and A5 could easily do the job for a lot less cash.
John
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post #36753 of 40881
5/1/12 at 9:57pm
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I use my D2v with an A2 for fronts, as I am a stereo guy for music, and an A5 for the centre and 4 surrounds. The centre, during movies, sounds terrific. Depending on your room dimensions, speaker impedances and sensitivity, the A2 and A5 could easily do the job for a lot less cash.
John

Me too! I second this recommendation. The A2 sounds very nice with music, probably easier on the ears than the P2. I compared it directly to my much bigger, more expensive amp (Simaudio W5) on large inefficient speakers and it surprised me. The A2 actually sounded better in some ways.
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post #36754 of 40881
5/2/12 at 5:38am
To anyone using v2.14b and finding that the picture is tinted upon switching sources or exiting setup menu:

Before reporting this to tech support, please press and hold 7 on the remote control or Display on the front panel. This superimposes the on-screen video processor menu - let tech support know whether it's also tinted. As well, how often the problem appears and model numbers of everything involved - we're still unable to reproduce it. Thanks
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post #36755 of 40881
5/2/12 at 5:45am
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The A2 sounds very nice with music, probably easier on the ears than the P2.

Not sure which would win a blind comparison if any preference is found at all within the A2's power limit, though the P2's distortion is barely measurable on an Audio Precision. As well, the residual as seen on an o'scope is the cleanest I've ever seen from a power amp, and the noise background is completely random.

Going in the other direction, another money saving option - MCA 30 for the three fronts, PVA 4 for the surrounds. I always say let the budget decide. Don't spend too little or you'll be spending more by replacing it sooner than expected, don't spend too much or you'll find it harder to enjoy.
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post #36756 of 40881
5/2/12 at 1:40pm
Hello.
After i have placed 2 surround back in my room, i am now usling PLIIx to make 7.1 from 5.1 . It works wery well. But tonight i was seen LOTR FOTR EX . On this disc there is DTS hd 6.1.
When i engage PLIIx the overall volume became about 3 dB higher. This is not the case when it is DTS hd 5.1 ore true Hd . Any who have also experienced this minor issue ?
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post #36757 of 40881
5/2/12 at 5:18pm
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

Hello.
After i have placed 2 surround back in my room, i am now usling PLIIx to make 7.1 from 5.1 . It works wery well. But tonight i was seen LOTR FOTR EX . On this disc there is DTS hd 6.1.
When i engage PLIIx the overall volume became about 3 dB higher. This is not the case when it is DTS hd 5.1 ore true Hd . Any who have also experienced this minor issue ?

I have a Pioneer SC-57 and get the same thing with Dolby audio. Alot of Pio users have reported the same thing.
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post #36758 of 40881
5/2/12 at 7:35pm
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

Hello.
After i have placed 2 surround back in my room, i am now usling PLIIx to make 7.1 from 5.1 . It works wery well. But tonight i was seen LOTR FOTR EX . On this disc there is DTS hd 6.1.
When i engage PLIIx the overall volume became about 3 dB higher. This is not the case when it is DTS hd 5.1 ore true Hd . Any who have also experienced this minor issue ?

Known issues: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post20844765

Have a look at 1) and it's references about DTS 5.1 and DTS-HDMA 5.1 PLIIx level issues.

Also posted this about DTS-ES (not the HD codecs), you'll note that only ES Matrix allows application of PLIIx. It's possible that the above PLIIx bug also applies to DTS-ES Matrix, since as Rodger Dressler mentioned the 6th rear channel is ignored in such a case.

As for HDMA 6.1, I've never tested it but there is definitly a link with DTS and this PLIIx bug.

Cheers
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post #36759 of 40881
5/2/12 at 9:12pm
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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post

To anyone using v2.14b and finding that the picture is tinted upon switching sources or exiting setup menu:

Before reporting this to tech support, please press and hold 7 on the remote control or Display on the front panel. This superimposes the on-screen video processor menu - let tech support know whether it's also tinted. As well, how often the problem appears and model numbers of everything involved - we're still unable to reproduce it. Thanks

On screen video overlay is normal color(i think). Since its translucent, the purple haze is seen thru the screen so its tough to determine if its hazed or not.

I gave my details to Andrew a few days ago. I had the purpople haze in 2.14a when exiting the setup menu but not so much in 2.14b. I get it in 2.14b when i switch between the component and HDMI video streams from my cable box into my D2v(the reasons i do that do not matter for now). I output HDMI RGB to my plasma TV(Pioneer KURO PRO151FD).

Purple haze is observed on the HDMI stream while video blanking of 1-4 seconds is observed when switching to the component stream. I have to cycle the power to eliminate these problems.
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post #36760 of 40881
5/2/12 at 9:56pm
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

Also posted this about DTS-ES (not the HD codecs), you'll note that only ES Matrix allows application of PLIIx. It's possible that the above PLIIx bug also applies to DTS-ES Matrix, since as Rodger Dressler mentioned the 6th rear channel is ignored in such a case.

As for HDMA 6.1, I've never tested it but there is definitly a link with DTS and this PLIIx bug.

I just tested HDMA 6.1 (star wars) and was so shocked that PLIIx engaged that I forgot all about the level issue. As I just recently reported, PLIIx will not engage for DTS-ES 6.1 with the Anthem and I accepted Rodger's explanation for that, but now we have a contradiction. So can we come to an agreement, with Anthem, on what the official position is on applying PLIIx to 6.1 channel sources?

By they way, it even allows NEO6 to be applied but I'm guessing that won't do anything at all given that the source is already 6.1? I hope it doesn't drop the real 6th channel and try to construct a fake 6th channel!
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post #36761 of 40881
5/2/12 at 11:52pm
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

Known issues: http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...5#post20844765

Have a look at 1) and it's references about DTS 5.1 and DTS-HDMA 5.1 PLIIx level issues.

Also posted this about DTS-ES (not the HD codecs), you'll note that only ES Matrix allows application of PLIIx. It's possible that the above PLIIx bug also applies to DTS-ES Matrix, since as Rodger Dressler mentioned the 6th rear channel is ignored in such a case.

As for HDMA 6.1, I've never tested it but there is definitly a link with DTS and this PLIIx bug.

Cheers

hmm. i can applie PLIIx to DTS HD 6.1 - but it is 3db to hot. This is not the case with DTS HD 5.1. my findings tell me that there is no issue with DTS HD 5.1 + PLIIx. Only when it is 6.1........No PLIIx on 7.1 materiel is possible
My processor is AVM 50v.
offcurse i have the DTS HD isse regards L/R fronts
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post #36762 of 40881
5/3/12 at 12:23am
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post


hmm. i can applie PLIIx to DTS HD 6.1 - but it is 3db to hot. This is not the case with DTS HD 5.1. my findings tell me that there is no issue with DTS HD 5.1 + PLIIx. Only when it is 6.1........No PLIIx on 7.1 materiel is possible
My processor is AVM 50v.
offcurse i have the DTS HD isse regards L/R fronts

You're right, I found the Star Wars 6.1 disc especially loud but didn't realize it was partly due to PLIIx.

THX Ultra2 Cinema can also be applied instead. It tones it down a notch but who knows what it's doing with that CR channel... Maybe it is dropped.
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post #36763 of 40881
5/3/12 at 12:26am
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Originally Posted by Nick @ Anthem View Post


It does... see sections 3.7 (mode presets) and the note at the bottom of 4.8.9 (on the fly mode selection for DTS).

Sorry Nick, I did read 3.7 before posting but must have missed the last sentence which is nice and clear!
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post #36764 of 40881
5/3/12 at 1:04am
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

hmm. i can applie PLIIx to DTS HD 6.1 - but it is 3db to hot.

maybe its not really discrete 6.1 but has an ES Matrix flag or something


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This is not the case with DTS HD 5.1. my findings tell me that there is no issue with DTS HD 5.1 + PLIIx. Only when it is 6.1

Interesting, heres what I found with War of the Worlds (AU release) DTS-HDMA 5.1

Thats the Morgan Freeman narration at the start of the movie so mostly Center channel dialog. Certainly showed PLIIx increase by 3dB

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My processor is AVM 50v.
offcurse i have the DTS HD isse regards L/R fronts

I'm running the last official D2v firmware(v2.10), so maybe there's a difference. Should point out though that I'm not certain what fw version I was running when I ran the above test.

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post #36765 of 40881
5/3/12 at 1:35am
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

maybe its not really discrete 6.1 but has an ES Matrix flag or something



Interesting, heres what I found with War of the Worlds (AU release) DTS-HDMA 5.1

Thats the Morgan Freeman narration at the start of the movie so mostly Center channel dialog. Certainly showed PLIIx increase by 3dB



I'm running the last official D2v firmware(v2.10), so maybe there's a difference. Should point out though that I'm not certain what fw version I was running when I ran the above test.

Cheers

i will try some different movies at se what happens. lat night it was ...In time - Transformers II - U571 - TFTF - cant remember the last one
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post #36766 of 40881
5/3/12 at 2:24am
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i will try some different movies at se what happens. lat night it was ...In time - Transformers II - U571 - TFTF - cant remember the last one

Just had a play with Avatar DTS-HDMA 5.1 and there doesn't seem to be an increase with PLIIx either bitstreaming nor when decoding in the player and outputting as LPCM 5.1

Strange, I can't seem to get that PLIIx bug to show up.......might have to setup my test equipment and run the tests again.

cheers
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post #36767 of 40881
5/3/12 at 2:36am
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

Just had a play with Avatar DTS-HDMA 5.1 and there doesn't seem to be an increase with PLIIx either bitstreaming nor when decoding in the player and outputting as LPCM 5.1

Strange, I can't seem to get that PLIIx bug to show up.......might have to setup my test equipment and run the tests again.

cheers

okay.
this will say that PLIIx only increase the volume when it is DTS HD 6.1..........for now.
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post #36768 of 40881
5/3/12 at 5:24am
I have my Comcast HD/DVR hooked up both by HDMI and Component for video (and Optical for audio). I just spent some time switching the D2v between the two inputs multiple times, and had no instances at all of Shocking Pink video in either direction of change.

The HD/DVR was sending 1080i, and YCbCr 4:4:4 for the HDMI connection. The D2v was sending RGB Studio Level, 8-bit, to my Display.

It is probably relevant that the HDMI from the Comcast was connected to one of the new style HDMI inputs in the Beta upgrade hardware.

This is with the latest "test" firmware: V2.14b.

I've also had no problems going in and out of the Setup menu.
--Bob
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post #36769 of 40881
5/3/12 at 6:57am
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

okay.
this will say that PLIIx only increase the volume when it is DTS HD 6.1..........for now.

Well it's got me quite baffled as I went through some quite extensive and vigorous testing which proved PLIIx caused an increase of 3dB on atleast LPCM 5.1 without a doubt. And it wasn't just me, others tested and had the same observations.

I'm pretty certain those tests were conducted on my current fw 2.10. So it has me perplexed.

I'm not looking forward to it but it looks like I will have to get the test gear out and spend a day running some thorough tests again.

Edit: Here's one of the old tests


Cheers
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post #36770 of 40881
5/3/12 at 7:33am
I have almost forgotten. DTS HD 7.1 only the fronts are Down by 3 dB. When it is DTS HD 5.1 the center and the side/rears is 3db to hot...wasent that the case?
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post #36771 of 40881
5/3/12 at 7:42am
Yes i Got the DTS HD issue right.

I Will try som testing to Night regards PLIIx issue
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post #36772 of 40881
5/3/12 at 7:49am
Why not conduct these tests with the LATEST beta firmware? The DTS front level issue was fixed several versions ago, and no matter what you report to Anthem they will probably ask you to try the latest version.

Bob said a minor issue with 7.1 was introduced in the latest 2.14 and they're working on it, so you might want to request 2.13g from Anthem for your regular listening (not tests).
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post #36773 of 40881
5/3/12 at 7:54am
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Why not conduct these tests with the beta firmware? The DTS front level issue was fixed several versions ago, and no matter what you report to Anthem they will probably ask you to try the latest version.

Bob said a minor issue with 7.1 was introduced in 2.14 and they're working on it, so you might want to try 2.13g if you can find it.

Which version of firmware was the DTS front speaker volume issue fixed on?
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post #36774 of 40881
5/3/12 at 7:56am
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I just tested HDMA 6.1 (star wars) and was so shocked that PLIIx engaged...

PLIIx is displayed but that doesn't mean it's engaged. Unfortunately the logic only allows a true/false state with regard to yes it's surround / no it's not, and this determines which surround modes can be applied. When "funny" formats such as 3.0, 4.0, or this case are received, there's no easy way to say "N/A" when the mode button is pressed. It would be ideal though would require huge code changes to do it kludge-style to make up for the fact that no third, fourth, etc. state exists.

So, it is what it is - the selection is displayed but otherwise ignored. Does DTS-MA 6.1 sound different when comparing between mode selections including None?
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post #36775 of 40881
5/3/12 at 7:57am
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Bob said a minor issue with 7.1 was introduced in 2.14 and they're working on it, so you might want to try 2.13g if you can find it.

It would be a waste of time if the issue does not exist in current beta.
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post #36776 of 40881
5/3/12 at 8:06am
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Originally Posted by xMEATx View Post

Which version of firmware was the DTS front speaker volume issue fixed on?

I don't know ... But I think it was somewhere in the 2.12 range.
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post #36777 of 40881
5/3/12 at 8:07am
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

It's possible that the above PLIIx bug also applies to DTS-ES Matrix, since as Rodger Dressler mentioned the 6th rear channel is ignored in such a case.

Two things need to be understood before going further with this:

1. Roger was referring to a player's decoding, which is 5.1 core only. AVM/D always use the lossless track where present. When in doubt, press Status/Select enough times to display the audio input format and populated channels.

2. DTS-ES Matrix is a lossy 5.1-channel format. The 6th "channel" is the result of upmix upon playback. DTS-ES Matrix is the same as Neo:6 Cinema other than being flagged in the source. This info and how/where Matrix applies is in all AVM/D manuals since AVM 20 v2.1, when EX and ES appeared almost 10 years ago.
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post #36778 of 40881
5/3/12 at 8:09am
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I don't know, there wasn't any announcement from Nick and it's not in the release notes ... But I think it was somewhere in the 2.12 range.

I announced it here but I'm sure many people missed it (for obvious reasons).

Yeah, I saw when you mentioned it had been fixed. I just haven't got access to the beta fw to test it. I did request through Anthem Australia but in our conversations they never gave me the access details, from memory they said they requested through Anthem USA but never received an answer. I gave up and decided to just test the official fw when it's released.

Cheers
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post #36779 of 40881
5/3/12 at 8:11am
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

Yeah, I saw when you mentioned it had been fixed. I just haven't got access to the beta fw to test it. I did request through Anthem Australia but in our conversations they never gave me the access details, from memory they said they requested through Anthem USA but never received an answer. Do I gave up and decided to just test the official fw when it's released.

Cheers

That's rediculous that an Anthem distributor doesn't know the Anthem tech support download particulars. Maybe they should ask Anthem CANADA not USA
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post #36780 of 40881
5/3/12 at 8:15am
The volume problem across the fronts with DTS-HD MA Bitstreams was fixed fairly early in the set of test firmware releases for the new hardware. I forget the exact release number.

There are undoubtedly other bugs still to be fixed, but the specific problem I'm keeping an eye on right now is that DTS-HD MA 7.1 Bitstreams produce output in the wrong speakers. Specifically content intended for LS is also coming out in LF, and content intended for RS is also coming out in RF. I don't consider this a minor problem, but since it is probably related to the decoder implementation, I'm not optimistic it will get fixed all that fast. The workaround is to use LPCM input for DTS-HD MA 7.1 tracks.
--Bob
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