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post #3781 of 42681
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

I have been getting that error for 1.11, 1.11b and 1.11c. Anthem is supposed to be working on it. My understanding is that it has to do with the pc's we are using. Somewhat of a compatibility issue. They told me to try to download software using a different pc.

That stinks (or not if you have another computer). I was told that there were revisions to the unit itself that necessitated the change.
post #3782 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

That is a bug which used to be common, but is much less so with the current D2 software.

What version of D2 software are you using? Press Select once on the remote and the version will be at the end of the first line of status info.

This may possibly also be an indication that you need to upgrade either your input HDMI cables your output HDMI cable or both.
--Bob

Are you connecting to a DVI projector vs HDMI. it may be as easy as changing YCbCr to RGB, but Bob will correct me.
post #3783 of 42681
Can someone that is using the Oppo 970 post your settings? The more I read the manual the more confused I am getting.
post #3784 of 42681
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Originally Posted by rudolpht View Post

Are you connecting to a DVI projector vs HDMI. it may be as easy as changing YCbCr to RGB, but Bob will correct me.


Im using a m1 dvi cable with an hdmi adapter going into the d2
post #3785 of 42681
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Originally Posted by ultra 150 pilot View Post

Im using a m1 dvi cable with an hdmi adapter going into the d2

Since you are using a DVI input on your display, in the Anthem's Setup / Video Output menu, try changing the output Data Format to RGB instead of Auto.

DVI devices generally want RGB video format. Usually this is handled automatically during the handshake that establishes the connection, but if that is failing for some reason the connection might be set up as YCbCr by mistake. You then get the "shocking pink" screen because the"Y" output signal (gray scale luminance) is misinterpreted in the display as the Red color signal.

Explicitly selecting RGB output in the Anthem avoids any such mischance.
--Bob
post #3786 of 42681
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Originally Posted by dmorse4765 View Post

Bluemark
If you go to Music configuration and set your front speakers to large and then scroll down to the Subwoofer tab it will give you the option to turn the sub off. Make sure you have the speakers to large or it will not give you the option to turn it off. For CD's I really like the anthem logic. Try it once and I think you will want to leave the sub on. Hope this helps. I am using 1.11c but I believe this works in 1.11b the same way because if I remember correctly it also worked in 1.10
Dick


If you will notice a few posts prior to your response, my mains are set to large and my sub is set to none. That is my issue. With that setting, I get sound through my sub unless I enter the music config page and then back out without changing a thing.
post #3787 of 42681
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Originally Posted by ultra 150 pilot View Post

edit,
thanks to all for all the responses, I changed the setting in the A2 from bitstream to pcm in the digital out spdif and left digital out hdmi to auto and bingo 96khz

thanks again,

Bob

I'm not sure you followed what FilmMixer was saying.

The tracks themselves are 48KHz. If you are getting 96Khz output from the Toshiba then it is upsampling those tracks for you.

My understanding is that the audio upsampling in these Toshibas players is not all that good. If that's correct, then you don't want to set the Toshiba to do that.

If you send the unaltered 48KHz track to an Anthem D2, it will do upsampling ITSELF -- all the way to 192Khz -- and do it very well indeed.
--Bob
post #3788 of 42681
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

If you will notice a few posts prior to your response, my mains are set to large and my sub is set to none. That is my issue. With that setting, I get sound through my sub unless I enter the music config page and then back out without changing a thing.

Does this happen EVERY time you switch to a Music configuration input source or only the FIRST time you do it since last powering on the D2? I.e., once it is fixed does it STAY fixed until you next power cycle the D2?

If the latter, this could simply be another example of the V1.1x software not iinitializing itself properly on power up. I.e., the same sort of problem that causes the Scale Out setting to change on power up for the input in effect at power up.

That is, perhaps this input is improperly initializing as Cinema configuration. Or perhaps Music configuration is improperly initializing as "SAME AS CINEMA".

To test this, temporarily change your Cinema configuration in some drastic way (e.g., no surround speakers). Then see if this Music input ALSO loses its surround speakers when first selected after a power up -- only to be fixed when you simply go in and out of the Setup screen again. If so, then that input is likely powering up incorrectly initialized to use the Cinema configuration instead of the proper, Music configuration.

Whether or not that's really what's going on, it certainly sounds like you've encountered a new bug that Anthem needs to know about.

You are getting good at finding these! (grin!)
--Bob
post #3789 of 42681
Can somebody help me out with this? I read that.....

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In order to upgrade the D2 so it can accept and process Dolby TrueHD and DTS-HD MA 7.1 in a LPCM stream, will it require new hardware rather than just a software update?

Why does the D2 need upgrading if it can support up to 8 channels of 192KHz/24bit digital audio over HDMI 1.1?
post #3790 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Bing View Post

Can somebody help me out with this? I read that.....



Why does the D2 need upgrading if it can support up to 8 channels of 192KHz/24bit digital audio over HDMI 1.1?

The D2 is currently limited to 6 channels (5.1) of LPCM input via HDMI V1.1.

The HDMI V1.1 (and higher) spec enables more channels but doesn't require it.

I don't believe it is publicly known yet whether the D2 can be updated to accept 7.1 input that way via just a software upgrade, or whether a hardware change would also be required.

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EDITED TO ADD: Don't confuse input with output. The D2 will upsample that 5.1 channel input to 192/24, and will then do surround processsing math on it, as necessary, to produce up to 7.1 OUTPUT, still at 192/24. And that's what gets converted to analog to go to the amps.
--Bob
post #3791 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Does this happen EVERY time you switch to a Music configuration input source or only the FIRST time you do it since last powering on the D2? I.e., once it is fixed does it STAY fixed until you next power cycle the D2?

If the latter, this could simply be another example of the V1.1x software not iinitializing itself properly on power up. I.e., the same sort of problem that causes the Scale Out setting to change on power up for the input in effect at power up.

That is, perhaps this input is improperly initializing as Cinema configuration. Or perhaps Music configuration is improperly initializing as "SAME AS CINEMA".

To test this, temporarily change your Cinema configuration in some drastic way (e.g., no surround speakers). Then see if this Music input ALSO loses its surround speakers when first selected after a power up -- only to be fixed when you simply go in and out of the Setup screen again. If so, then that input is likely powering up incorrectly initialized to use the Cinema configuration instead of the proper, Music configuration.

Whether or not that's really what's going on, it certainly sounds like you've encountered a new bug that Anthem needs to know about.

You are getting good at finding these! (grin!)
--Bob

Bob: Thanks, I think. Not that I enjoy finding new bugs.

Anyway, I tried duplicating the issue again and go figure, now I can't, but it seemed to be something that occurred on startup. If I switched sources and went back to CD, it would be fine, from what I remember. I will keep an eye on this, because it has happened plenty and I'm sure it hasn't mysteriously disappeared for good.
post #3792 of 42681
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Originally Posted by bluemark81 View Post

Bob: Thanks, I think. Not that I enjoy finding new bugs.

Anyway, I tried duplicating the issue again and go figure, now I can't, but it seemed to be something that occurred on startup. If I switched sources and went back to CD, it would be fine, from what I remember. I will keep an eye on this, because it has happened plenty and I'm sure it hasn't mysteriously disappeared for good.

Based on the known bug affecting the Scale Out setting, one thing that may apply here is that it only screws up if that Music configuration input happens to be the one you were using when you last powered down the D2 -- and thus is also the one initially selected when you power it back up again. Only the input selected upon power up ever gets its Scale Out setting mysteriously changed -- and even then it doesn't happen EVERY time you power up.
--Bob
post #3793 of 42681
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Originally Posted by neff2k View Post

Can someone that is using the Oppo 970 post your settings? The more I read the manual the more confused I am getting.

I'm assuming you are using HDMI...

Speaker setup page
Downmix: 5.1 ch
Front speaker: LARGE
Center speaker: LARGE
Rear speaker: LARGE
Subwoofer: ON

Audio setup page
SPDIF output: RAW
HDMI audio: Auto (SPDIF)

Color space: YCbCr 4:4:4

HDMI out is 480i.

All processing settings are set to OFF, 0 or minimum.

The output via HDMI is 480p from the factory . To change, you have to have the transport stopped (not paused!!!). Use the HDMI button on the remote to change to 480i - I think it steps through 720p and 1080i first. Also, if you want to play SACD or DVD-Audio, you will need to change the setting JUST for these discs to HDMI 720 or 1080, due to a short-sighted move by the HDMI organization. Make sure to switch back to 480i for movies.

(neff2k - did you mean the settings on the D2? If so, let me know.)
post #3794 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The D2 is currently limited to 6 channels (5.1) of LPCM input via HDMI V1.1.

The HDMI V1.1 (and higher) spec enables more channels but doesn't require it.

I don't believe it is publicly known yet whether the D2 can be updated to accept 7.1 input that way via just a software upgrade, or whether a hardware change would also be required.

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EDITED TO ADD: Don't confuse input with output. The D2 will upsample that 5.1 channel input to 192/24, and will then do surround processsing math on it, as necessary, to produce up to 7.1 OUTPUT, still at 192/24. And that's what gets converted to analog to go to the amps.
--Bob

Bob... I emailed Anthem about it a couple of weeks ago. It will require a hardware change, and they are taking a wait and see attitude about it with the dearth of 7.1 software, and as somebody involved in the soundtrack business, I don't expect that to change.
post #3795 of 42681
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The D2 is currently limited to 6 channels (5.1) of LPCM input via HDMI V1.1.

I see. So Anthem left themselves a little to room to upgrade in the D3. Thanks Bob.
post #3796 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Since you are using a DVI input on your display, in the Anthem's Setup / Video Output menu, try changing the output Data Format to RGB instead of Auto.

DVI devices generally want RGB video format. Usually this is handled automatically during the handshake that establishes the connection, but if that is failing for some reason the connection might be set up as YCbCr by mistake. You then get the "shocking pink" screen because the"Y" output signal (gray scale luminance) is misinterpreted in the display as the Red color signal.

Explicitly selecting RGB output in the Anthem avoids any such mischance.
--Bob


thank you, the rgb setting did the trick no more hadndhake,

you guys are great thank you!
post #3797 of 42681
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

Bob... I emailed Anthem about it a couple of weeks ago. It will require a hardware change, and they are taking a wait and see attitude about it with the dearth of 7.1 software, and as somebody involved in the soundtrack business, I don't expect that to change.

Thanks for the report. Not surprising, really.
--Bob
post #3798 of 42681
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Originally Posted by ultra 150 pilot View Post

thank you, the rgb setting did the trick no more hadndhake,

you guys are great thank you!

Good! Now do one other thing. Look in the manual for your display for a setting that adjusts that DVI input for use with either a computer or with a DVD or TV set top box. If you find such a setting, set it to the DVD or TV set top box setting instead of to the computer setting.

You might also just find a note that says this particular DVI input is not intended for use with computers. That's fine as well.

If you ended up changing this setting, then be sure to also re-adjust the Blacks/Whites/Colors/Sharpness settings on your display with the aid of the test charts generated by the Anthem.

Doing this will make your Black and White levels work much better.

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Technically what you are doing is configuring that DVI input (as necessary) to expect "Studio RGB" instead of "Extended RGB". If you are interested in what that means, and why you need to do it, I wrote a detailed post on that, and on YCbCr, earlier in this thread.
--Bob
post #3799 of 42681
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Originally Posted by gdc View Post

I'm assuming you are using HDMI...

(neff2k - did you mean the settings on the D2? If so, let me know.)

Nope those are perfect, thanks.
post #3800 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Good! Now do one other thing. Look in the manual for your display for a setting that adjusts that DVI input for use with either a computer or with a DVD or TV set top box. If you find such a setting, set it to the DVD or TV set top box setting instead of to the computer setting.

You might also just find a note that says this particular DVI input is not intended for use with computers. That's fine as well.

If you ended up changing this setting, then be sure to also re-adjust the Blacks/Whites/Colors/Sharpness settings on your display with the aid of the test charts generated by the Anthem.

Doing this will make your Black and White levels work much better.

--------------------------------------------------------------

Technically what you are doing is configuring that DVI input (as necessary) to expect "Studio RGB" instead of "Extended RGB". If you are interested in what that means, and why you need to do it, I wrote a detailed post on that, and on YCbCr, earlier in this thread.
--Bob

thanks bob, I will check it out
post #3801 of 42681
Mind you, please, that I am just a novice...I would like to experiment with the different DSP/THX modes but I am unable to get the D2 to express anything but THX Cinema when I press THX or when I attempt to cycle using the "MODE" button. Does not seem to matter what source I am using. Anybody else with a similar problem?
post #3802 of 42681
I had the 1080i bug with Direct Tv h20 receiver and D2. 1.11c fixed my problem. It changes between resolutions wih no problem.
Thanks to Nick and Frank at Anthem
post #3803 of 42681
Also...having a major problem getting my Oppo 970HD to play an SACD via the D2--all I hear is a scrambled gibberish while the info button tells me that the D2 is receiving a 1080i, 5.1 signal at 88.2 khz. Tried turning HDMI Repeater on/off and tried a different HDMI input to no avail. Called Oppo--settings are correct on the player (latest firmware is installed) and they have no knowledge of any one having a problem. Is this somehow related to my DSP problem I referenced above? I have version 1.11 of the D2--does someone have a link to whatever the latest version is? Calling Anthem tomorrow as they are now closed for the day.
post #3804 of 42681
I just hooked up a 970HD this weekend and it is working fine with SACD. Are you using the beta firmware for the Oppo that does gapless? I'm still using 1.10 on the Anthem. The only issue I've had so far with the Oppo is the Beatles - Love DVD-A is not gapless. I was also surprised to find that the Oppo outputs multi-channel LPCM at 480i. Looks like my Pioneer Elite may go on the auction block if I ever get it back from the service center.
post #3805 of 42681
Yes, I am using the latest beta firmware from Oppo. Tried switching the output to 4801, 720p and still getting static and gibberish, scrambled sound out of the D2.
post #3806 of 42681
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Originally Posted by drlopezmdfacc View Post

Mind you, please, that I am just a novice...I would like to experiment with the different DSP/THX modes but I am unable to get the D2 to express anything but THX Cinema when I press THX or when I attempt to cycle using the "MODE" button. Does not seem to matter what source I am using. Anybody else with a similar problem?

The audio modes you have available at any given moment vary according to:

1) The type of audio input that is being received (e.g., stereo vs. 5.1)

2) Whether THX post processing is turned on, AND

3) Whether you have configured any REAR Surround speakers.

I suspect the reason you are not able to get to some of the modes of interest to you are either that you don't have Rear Surround speakers in your setup or that you have THX turned on and the mode you want is not available with THX. For example Mono-Academy for listening to old movies can not be accessed if THX is also turned on.
--Bob
post #3807 of 42681
YES!!! I have just ordered my AVM 50!! I hope that it is worth the money and wait! I have a general question....I have a tv (sony rplcdtv) that has a dvi input, my dvd player is also dvi input, the first model of up converts that came out a few years ago from samsung, will these be able to work with dvi-hdmi cables into and out of the avm 50? anyone in a simlar boat as me or should i just spend another 150 and get the oppo? Thanks for you help. Rob
post #3808 of 42681
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Originally Posted by rlockshin View Post

I had the 1080i bug with Direct Tv h20 receiver and D2. 1.11c fixed my problem. It changes between resolutions wih no problem.
Thanks to Nick and Frank at Anthem


Yay!

So what's the status on remaining bugs at this point?

We had:

1) Video problems related to 1080i (HDMI and Component)

2) Video problems related to power on (no signal)

3) Audio problems related to power on (no signal or wrong signal)

4) Scale Out setting changes unexpectedly at power on

5) Can't get to Simulcast mode easily because the button combo on the remote also switches to the next overlayed input.

6) Subwoofer is unexpectedly active in a Music configuration where it should be shut off.

7) HDMI video problems relating to switching input resolutions on the HDMI source changing the Anthem output to something out of range -- fixable only by power cycling the Anthem.

8) Conversion of 1080i/60Hz to 1080p/24Hz not producing useful output signal timings.

9) EDID handshake with HTPCs improved but not yet perfect.

10) Comcast/Motorola HD-DVR HDMI input sometimes results in incorrect pillar boxing being added to HD channels if Anthem Scale Out = Letter/Pillar Box is set. Fixed by changing Anthem inputs away and back to Comcast.

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EDITED TO ADD:
11) Anthem scaler gets confused by S-video user interface from Velodyne DD series subwoofers and SMS-1 equalizer. The Anthem scaler sees it as no input so you get no output on the Main path HDMI output. S-video pass through to the Anthem's S-video output works fine.

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I *THINK* that was the current pending list of items discussed in this thread. Are there any I missed?

And which of these do we think we can check off with V1.11c software?
--Bob
post #3809 of 42681
Does anyone have confirmation yet that the room calibration will only be available on the D2?
post #3810 of 42681
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Originally Posted by ensmarcum View Post

YES!!! I have just ordered my AVM 50!! I hope that it is worth the money and wait! I have a general question....I have a tv (sony rplcdtv) that has a dvi input, my dvd player is also dvi input, the first model of up converts that came out a few years ago from samsung, will these be able to work with dvi-hdmi cables into and out of the avm 50? anyone in a simlar boat as me or should i just spend another 150 and get the oppo? Thanks for you help. Rob

First, they will work *IF* your TV's DVI input is also HDCP-compliant (copy protection) -- presuming you've already been using that TV with DVI 720p or 1080i from your player, you are probably fine. You may need to explicitly specify RGB data format for the input or output with DVI devices. The one limitation is that with an RGB input device AND an RGB display you will lose the ability to adjust Color and Tint in the Anthem input settings for that source device.

However I suggest you get the Oppo. DVI doesn't support 480i (only 480p) so if you stay with your DVI player you will be forced to use the de-interlacing in the player which will be nowhere near as good as that in the Anthem.

Alternatively, hook up your player with Component video cables at 480i output.
--Bob
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