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post #37831 of 40757
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

No worries here are the results after applying 2.0 gain:



Thoughts?

If sherlock sounds good I suspect everything will. Looks good to me but others may give you advice on how to tweak further. Now listen to material you are familiar with to compare.
John
post #37832 of 40757
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If sherlock sounds good I suspect everything will. Looks good to me but others may give you advice on how to tweak further. Now listen to material you are familiar with to compare.
John

Will do and thanks.
post #37833 of 40757
Quick question to anyone that owns an Oppo BDP-95 and a D2v. I'm thinking of trying out the dual HDMI method (Oppo has 2 HDMI ports) as I've read it could provide a better PQ, but I'm not sure how to hook it up to the D2v. Can someone enlighten me please smile.gif. Is it worth trying out?
post #37834 of 40757
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

No worries here are the results after applying 2.0 gain:



Thoughts?
I would say listen to what you have with the 2.0 room gain and see how that sounds to you. If you feel you need a little more oomph, then you can increase the room gain to 2.5. However, if you do, then definitely keep an eye on your LF. I say that because you want to have full correction one octave below the cutoff which in your case would be down to 45 Hz. Right now, with a 2.0 room gain, your LF is about 1 or 2 db from being fully corrected with the room gain set at 2.0. So, increasing the room gain to 2.5 might be a bit much. Like I said earlier, listen to it with the 2.0 room gain, and if it's pleasing to your ears, your job is done, and you can sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor.biggrin.gif
post #37835 of 40757
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Usually 1.2 is too low and would be hard to detect. Try 2-2.5.
John

Is that what most use? I still have mine on the default.
post #37836 of 40757
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Quick question to anyone that owns an Oppo BDP-95 and a D2v. I'm thinking of trying out the dual HDMI method (Oppo has 2 HDMI ports) as I've read it could provide a better PQ, but I'm not sure how to hook it up to the D2v. Can someone enlighten me please smile.gif. Is it worth trying out?

To try it out, wire HDMI 1 from the OPPO direct to your Display and wire HDMI 2 from the OPPO to the D2v. HDMI 1 is the socket in the middle of the OPPO's back panel. Set Video Setup > Primary Output = HDMI 1 in the OPPO. No changes are needed in D2v settings. Set your Display to listen to the input coming from the OPPO. Be sure to adjust the video levels for that input in the Display as necessary, e.g., using a calibration disc like Spears & Munsil. Keep in mind that most TVs remember such settings separately for each input.

This is the way people set this up if they have a 3D display but don't yet have the 3D "pass through" upgrade for the D2v for example.

When you are viewing other Sources, change the TV to listen to the HDMI cable coming from the D2v.
--Bob
post #37837 of 40757
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Usually 1.2 is too low and would be hard to detect. Try 2-2.5.
John

Is that what most use? I still have mine on the default.

Room Gain in the range of 2-4 dB is normal. If that's what ARC is already using then no need to change it. In large rooms or rooms with lots of acoustic treatment, or if there's something unusual going on in the output of your speakers, ARC will decide the inherent Room Gain in the room is less than 2 dB. In that case, telling it to add more Room Gain can be a good thing.
--Bob
post #37838 of 40757
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Quick question to anyone that owns an Oppo BDP-95 and a D2v. I'm thinking of trying out the dual HDMI method (Oppo has 2 HDMI ports) as I've read it could provide a better PQ, but I'm not sure how to hook it up to the D2v. Can someone enlighten me please smile.gif. Is it worth trying out?

Why use something MANY years old unless you already own one??????????

See my Sony 790 Posts - the Scaler in the 790 is much better than Anthem
and has Dual HDMI for 3D support.
post #37839 of 40757
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Originally Posted by boostie View Post

Doc1.docx 131k .docx file
Doc2.docx 255k .docx file
How do these look?? First go with ARC.

Can someone please give some feedback on the graphs?
post #37840 of 40757
Quote:
I would say listen to what you have with the 2.0 room gain and see how that sounds to you. If you feel you need a little more oomph, then you can increase the room gain to 2.5. However, if you do, then definitely keep an eye on your LF. I say that because you want to have full correction one octave below the cutoff which in your case would be down to 45 Hz. Right now, with a 2.0 room gain, your LF is about 1 or 2 db from being fully corrected with the room gain set at 2.0. So, increasing the room gain to 2.5 might be a bit much. Like I said earlier, listen to it with the 2.0 room gain, and if it's pleasing to your ears, your job is done, and you can sit back and enjoy the fruits of your labor

I am simply blown away by the results. I tested Thor tonight and it's the best I've heard it, it's like I'm hearing another layer from the track especially from the center channel as dialogue is so clear and the soundstage is incredible. This calibration is a keeper.
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Why use something MANY years old unless you already own one??????????

Yes I already own a BDP-95 and have no desire to change it at the moment.
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To try it out, wire HDMI 1 from the OPPO direct to your Display and wire HDMI 2 from the OPPO to the D2v.

Thanks Bob. So do I still use HDMI input 1 (Main video input) on the D2v that I'm currently using direct from my projector now, from the Oppo's HDMI 2?
post #37841 of 40757
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Originally Posted by boostie View Post

Can someone please give some feedback on the graphs?
You should repost your charts because the graph for your RF is messed up. It looks like you may have mistakenly adjusted the graph some how. Anyway, if your RF looks like your LF then overall, your graphs are good. I would, however, suggest that you play around with different sub locations. You have some dips that hopefully can be corrected by trying different sub locations. One thing with the sub, moving it a matter of inches can make a big difference. Right now, ARC has set your sub's cutoff to 80 Hz. The goal is for ARC to set your sub's cutoff to 120 Hz. A 120 Hz setting will ensure that you will not miss out on any of bass frequencies. You can use Quick Measure to see the results of moving the sub around to different locations. Once you find a spot that gives you better results, you will have to rerun ARC again to calculate a new measurement. Also, you should change the setting for your sub from Flat to Auto because your sub is beginning to drop off around 25 Hz. You should only set your sub to Flat if your sub has built-in low frequency protection, and it plays with good volume down to 20 Hz and below. The Flat setting causes ARC to send all the low frequencies to the sub which means that your sub needs to be able to protect itself from playing the low frequencies that are beyond its' capabilities. If it can't, then you could damage your sub by setting it to Flat. The Auto setting causes ARC to roll off the low frequencies to ensure your sub doesn't play frequencies that are beyond its' capabilities.

If you go to the Anthem MRX Receivers Forum and go to the FAQ and scroll down to Jayray sub's chart, that's what you should try to make your sub's graph look like or come close to.

I hope this was helpful.
Edited by ninja12 - 7/30/12 at 7:36am
post #37842 of 40757
For the color haze/overlay issue you need to specify an HDMI color output. Using "auto" causes this. Reference a post I did on this issue several weeks ago in this thread. I found using the RGB high setting to be best in my setup. This is an AppleTV and Anthem issue. It's only creeped up with the Anthem in the mix. I had an Oppo HDMI switcher and cheap Monoprice HDMI Matrix switcher without issues. Regardless, specifying the color output fixes the issue. Try that and see if it fixes it for you.

Theo
post #37843 of 40757
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

Let them know it didn't work for you. That's all we can do.
John
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

Wrong. It's NOT fixed. I just tried it, and it did absolutely nothing to solve the problem for me.
I have to wonder if Anthem always assumes there's a center channel, and doesn't bother to check that it should be off to duplicate my conditions.

I heard back from Anthem today, and they verified the center channel is off. So they're getting sound from the rears and I'm not. How can that be???
Edited by RobertR - 7/30/12 at 8:00am
post #37844 of 40757
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Originally Posted by Certz View Post

I installed 3.03 on my 50v and so far the no HDMI audio issue on HDMI ports 234678 problem persists, so for me, it has not been fixed. I did make a hardware addition; namely an apple TV (1080p black model) which is hooked up to HDMI 1. This has created a workaround, a HDMI handshake enabler if you will, allowing all the other ports to function normally. It behaves like an HDCP issue. Once the 50V has established a proper HDMI handshake with a device on port 1 or 5, it okays all other ports to receive audio. You get to the point where you just get tired of fiddling. Anyways, there is something new that has been introduced, something I have not seen before and that is sometimes a pink haze using the apple TV. If I go into the 50v's setup menu and then back out of it while using the Apple TV as source, this can happen but does not always happen. Turning the Apple TV off and on again seems to resolve the issue. Also, I believe that my HDMI 2 out is shot. The output is much lighter, almost hazy, the colours are posterized or solarized and the edges are filled with lines. It just doesn't look right, like an 8 bit computer screen. How this happened I do not know as I have never used that port before I tried it a couple of weeks ago and discovered it was faulty. Whether this is the cause of my no audio problem with firmwares 2.14 and above, I do not know. Whether this indicates that there is a failure on some level on the main mezzanine processing board I do not know. I do know that HDMI 2 is on the main board. Perhaps I should take it in to repair before the warranty expires just to have it checked out thoroughly. In any case, the 3.03 offers quick switching and better menu in/out response.

Here is the post with my suggested steps to remedy the AppleTV situation. I'm using a 50v and this solved it:
http://www.avsforum.com/t/678260/anthem-d2-d2v-avm50-avm50v-arc1-tweaking-guide/37320#post_22137510
post #37845 of 40757
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Originally Posted by Certz View Post

I installed 3.03 on my 50v and so far the no HDMI audio issue on HDMI ports 234678 problem persists, so for me, it has not been fixed. I did make a hardware addition; namely an apple TV (1080p black model) which is hooked up to HDMI 1. This has created a workaround, a HDMI handshake enabler if you will, allowing all the other ports to function normally. It behaves like an HDCP issue. Once the 50V has established a proper HDMI handshake with a device on port 1 or 5, it okays all other ports to receive audio. You get to the point where you just get tired of fiddling. Anyways, there is something new that has been introduced, something I have not seen before and that is sometimes a pink haze using the apple TV. If I go into the 50v's setup menu and then back out of it while using the Apple TV as source, this can happen but does not always happen. Turning the Apple TV off and on again seems to resolve the issue. Also, I believe that my HDMI 2 out is shot. The output is much lighter, almost hazy, the colours are posterized or solarized and the edges are filled with lines. It just doesn't look right, like an 8 bit computer screen. How this happened I do not know as I have never used that port before I tried it a couple of weeks ago and discovered it was faulty. Whether this is the cause of my no audio problem with firmwares 2.14 and above, I do not know. Whether this indicates that there is a failure on some level on the main mezzanine processing board I do not know. I do know that HDMI 2 is on the main board. Perhaps I should take it in to repair before the warranty expires just to have it checked out thoroughly. In any case, the 3.03 offers quick switching and better menu in/out response.

I just got an email from support to say that V3.03 fixed the issue. Will try it later today and find out.
post #37846 of 40757
I'd like to ask anyone with a 50v to set his center to no, and try extracting a DTS MA or PCM 5.1 source to the rears using DPLIIX and software version 3.03. Anthem says 3.03 fixed the problem.
post #37847 of 40757
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Originally Posted by spiderv6 View Post

I just got an email from support to say that V3.03 fixed the issue. Will try it later today and find out.

It didn't work. Still have the HDMI/audio issue in V3.03
post #37848 of 40757
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Originally Posted by spiderv6 View Post

It didn't work. Still have the HDMI/audio issue in V3.03
It's really annoying for Anthem to say "we fixed the problem", when actual users report otherwise.
post #37849 of 40757
Anthem just sent me version 3.04. I was initially excited, because I heard sound coming from the rears. But then, the bad news: 3.04 says "ok, you set center to none, so you must REALLY mean I shouldn't bother with center channel information, so I'm going to kill ALL center channel sound". So now I have no dialogue, nothing. Sigh. Double sigh.
post #37850 of 40757
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Originally Posted by RobertR View Post

Anthem just sent me version 3.04. I was initially excited, because I heard sound coming from the rears. But then, the bad news: 3.04 says "ok, you set center to none, so you must REALLY mean I shouldn't bother with center channel information, so I'm going to kill ALL center channel sound". So now I have no dialogue, nothing. Sigh. Double sigh.

Welcome to the exciting world of "test" firmware! biggrin.gif

Grab a refreshing beverage, and take heart that they are actually working the issue, and it sounds like they are closing in on a real solution.
--Bob
post #37851 of 40757
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

You should repost your charts because the graph for your RF is messed up. It looks like you may have mistakenly adjusted the graph some how. Anyway, if your RF looks like your LF then overall, your graphs are good. I would, however, suggest that you play around with different sub locations. You have some dips that hopefully can be corrected by trying different sub locations. One thing with the sub, moving it a matter of inches can make a big difference. Right now, ARC has set your sub's cutoff to 80 Hz. The goal is for ARC to set your sub's cutoff to 120 Hz. A 120 Hz setting will ensure that you will not miss out on any of bass frequencies. You can use Quick Measure to see the results of moving the sub around to different locations. Once you find a spot that gives you better results, you will have to rerun ARC again to calculate a new measurement. Also, you should change the setting for your sub from Flat to Auto because your sub is beginning to drop off around 25 Hz. You should only set your sub to Flat if your sub has built-in low frequency protection, and it plays with good volume down to 20 Hz and below. The Flat setting causes ARC to send all the low frequencies to the sub which means that your sub needs to be able to protect itself from playing the low frequencies that are beyond its' capabilities. If it can't, then you could damage your sub by setting it to Flat. The Auto setting causes ARC to roll off the low frequencies to ensure your sub doesn't play frequencies that are beyond its' capabilities.
If you go to the Anthem MRX Receivers Forum and go to the FAQ and scroll down to Jayray sub's chart, that's what you should try to make your sub's graph look like or come close to.
I hope this was helpful.

Thankyou very much. I will have a play and see how I go. I am running two Svs pb 13 ultras which I believe have subsonic filters which should protect it. They are set at 15hz. Both subs are in the back two corners of my room.

Yes I stuffed up the graph on the right channel,it is the same as the front left.
post #37852 of 40757
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Originally Posted by boostie View Post

Thankyou very much. I will have a play and see how I go. I am running two Svs pb 13 ultras which I believe have subsonic filters which should protect it. They are set at 15hz. Both subs are in the back two corners of my room.
Yes I stuffed up the graph on the right channel,it is the same as the front left.










Uploaded charts again.
post #37853 of 40757
Help!!!

I have my D2v with the standard ears on its sides. I have now bought a rack and got the rack ears for it as well and was planning to swap out the rack ears. I took of the cover of the D2v and found the screws for the rack ears deeply buried and hard to access w/o strippind down the whole D2v unit from its metal cage, it seems. Anyone know of a simpler way to remove the standard ears from the D2v and replace with the rack mount kits?


Thx,
David
Edited by dmusoke - 7/30/12 at 5:28pm
post #37854 of 40757
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post


There are some HIDDEN front panel screws on the

inside of the chassis. Still no big Deal - I not only

did my own I even made my own [GRIN] - it was

faster.

Drhankz:

I pulled a post you wrote on this topic 5 years ago. How did you manage to remove the curved ears easily? I see no simple way to access the screws to do so? I agree i am a green thumb in most things mechanical, but this seems like quite a job to do ...

- David
post #37855 of 40757
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Drhankz:
I pulled a post you wrote on this topic 5 years ago. How did you manage to remove the curved ears easily? I see no simple way to access the screws to do so? I agree i am a green thumb in most things mechanical, but this seems like quite a job to do ...
- David

It is Soooooooooo Long Ago I have no memory of it NOW.

Where there pictures with my post - i remember taking some.

I did FIND the Pictures but they do not show the HIDDEN SCREWS

Hank
post #37856 of 40757
smile.gif .... I understand.

I've finally managed to pull the entire front face off the D2v to access the hidden screws but what a pain-and-not-an-obvious-thing-to-do for some of us...

- David
post #37857 of 40757
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

smile.gif .... I understand.
I've finally managed to pull the entire front face off the D2v to access the hidden screws but what a pain-and-not-an-obvious-thing-to-do for some of us...
- David

YES YES YES - I remember that now that you mentioned it.

I sent you a PM
post #37858 of 40757
how does the sub look now?




post #37859 of 40757
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Originally Posted by boostie View Post

how does the sub look now?

Yes, that's better, and ARC has set your sub's cutoff to 120 Hz. I say now sit back and listen to your setup for about a week or two and let your ears be your judge and guide now. Good work. Congrats!!!!!!!
post #37860 of 40757
Is anyone running a Svs as-eq1 with the d2v? I have one that I used prior to the d2 and was wondering if it's worth using or not?
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