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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

Yes it does.
I believe the channel remapping 'glitch' exists in all official firmwares prior to 3.09
Cheers[/quote

Thank you MACCA350, it's just the 5.1 not the 7.1 correct?

Edited by studlygoorite - 9/5/12 at 5:34am
post #38312 of 42694
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

So.....I finally need to ask this question as I came across a killer deal on a Like New AVM50v.
My setup
- Anthem MRX700
- Paradigm Monitor 11's Series 7
- Paradigm Center 3 Series 7
- Paradigm Monitor 3 Surrounds
- Paradigm Sub 25
- Sony VPL-HW30ES projector
- 133" Da-Lite screen
- Dedicated home theater room (properly sound treated) for Blu-ray, DirecTV HD sports, and HD gaming
At this point there are only two things left I could do (on my budget) to improve upon my current sound experience
1) Upgrade to the Paradigm Studio line
2) Upgrade to an Anthem Pre/Pro setup
So my question is this: what improvement can I realistically expect by going from an MRX700 to an AVM50v + PVA 5 setup? Would this improvement be greater then going from the Paradigm Monitor line to the Studio line?
*Note: I do not use this setup/room for any music listening. At all.
I love my room right now. Love it. No complaints about sound. The only small complaint I have is that Anthems MRX line always seems to have a glitch or problem that needs fixed....and once firmware is released for that fix another one pops up. Nothing major though.
I appreciate any and all input.
Thanks!

i have tested the MRX in my room. i have a AVM 50v to compare.

better ARC in AVM .....audible differnce - Not so harsch treble in avm - More detail in AVM - much more impack an texture in the bass in AVM - the sound from AVM is more open - and at the same time a more "warm" sound. When playing loud (- 5db) the AVM sounds more dynamick with a lower noiseflor. On the MRX i think that things at higher volume become more "stressfull". AVM just sound more naturel.

I will say that the difference is big. AVM 50 just is a very complete processor with no compromice.

At the same time i was having a Integra 80.2 - t think that MRX was better than the integra.

i was not using the amp in the MRX - i have active speakers
post #38313 of 42694
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

Thank you MACCA350, it's just the 5.1 not the 7.1 correct?
No, it's both.......though I've only tested in DTS-HDMA 7.1 sources for this myself, I believe others found the same in DTS-HDMA 5.1 sources.

Cheers
post #38314 of 42694
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The main reason would be if you think you might want to add a 2nd, 3D-capable Source device. Or if you have any OTHER 2D Source you would like to run in "through" mode via the D2v.
Since 3D in the D2v 3D MUST be run in "through" mode, you don't get on-screen display of the D2v stuff, so looking to do that during 3D playback would NOT be a reason.
--Bob

Thanks Bob. I'm on the fence, because my Tivo THR-22 from DirecTV is "neutered" with no 3D capability (at least for now), so the Oppo95 is my only 3D source. This is a tough call. Will make my decision soon. Cheers!
post #38315 of 42694
Well the deal on the AVM50v fell through....someone beat me to the punch (it was 9/10 condition for $2600 on Audiogon). I guess this gives me a chance to save up money for a possible Christmas/2013 upgrade to my theater room.

Does anyone know if Anthem is planning a new Processor model release soon here? Possibly this weekend at CEDIA?

I know from direct word of mouth from our regions Paradigm rep that a new Studio line will be out by early 2013, so I am wondering if I should wait until that happens to re-evaluate my Studio line vs. Anthem pre/pro upgrade. Heck, maybe by then I can afford both. lol
post #38316 of 42694
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

No, it's both.......though I've only tested in DTS-HDMA 7.1 sources for this myself, I believe others found the same in DTS-HDMA 5.1 sources.
Cheers

Thanks again
post #38317 of 42694
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Well the deal on the AVM50v fell through....someone beat me to the punch (it was 9/10 condition for $2600 on Audiogon). I guess this gives me a chance to save up money for a possible Christmas/2013 upgrade to my theater room.
Does anyone know if Anthem is planning a new Processor model release soon here? Possibly this weekend at CEDIA?
I know from direct word of mouth from our regions Paradigm rep that a new Studio line will be out by early 2013, so I am wondering if I should wait until that happens to re-evaluate my Studio line vs. Anthem pre/pro upgrade. Heck, maybe by then I can afford both. lol

The diff between versions of the Studio models is evolutionary not revolutionary so I don't think the new models will be that different. The Monitor 11s are excellent speakers so the avm 50 may be the biggest diff.
John
post #38318 of 42694
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Go into the ARC Targets window. In the Music column replace the Subwoofer cutoff with "n" for No Speaker". Make sure that LF/RF are set to Full Range in the check box (this should happen automatically when you turn off the Subwoofer, but check it).
Accept those Targets changes, re-Calculate and re-Upload.
HOWEVER, it is a rare speaker -- even ones sold as "full range" -- that can handle the lowest bass frequencies at decent volume. If you have a decent subwoofer, a better approach would be to leave the Sub in the configuration but force a low "cutoff" for LF/RF -- say, 30 Hz. Thus any subsonic bass (below 30Hz) will still go to the Sub. Now most music won't go that low so you'll get your desired effect. But if you DO play something with, say 20Hz organ pedals in it, the Sub will carry that load.
--Bob

Bob and All,

Now you piqued my curiosity and question: I do, indeed have true full-range speakers that go -3dB at 23Hz and -6dB at 20Hz and -10dB at 17Hz. They go up to 45kHz. I also have a sub that goes to 18Hz at -3db.

Movies are fine and optimized. No complaints with movies.

However, for music only, I want to get the optimal configuration with my full range speakers. Right now, I'm indeed cutting off at 30Hz. However I'd like to test and try overlap of both the sub and my full-range speakers between 30Hz and below. The reason for this is that the room is very, very large (that's why I have full range speakers and a 15" sub). I feel as though I need just a bit more weight at the bottom end---not for explosions, etc, but for appropriate weight and impact of instruments at lower frequencies.

So, if I want to test an overlap both the sub and the full-range speakers at the lowest frequencies:
  1. What is the best way/practice to overlap full range and a sub? I recall seeing it once in the manual and can't find it again. I don't know if this was with my 20v or with my 50v.
  2. Does Anthem recommend this approach in my specific situation (I recall that they don't recommend overlap)
  3. Are there other configuration options/suggestions? There's no specific LFE channel in music, so it's not like I can just turn up the DB in the speaker config.

Am I just barking up the wrong tree? Any thoughts are much appreciated.

Theo
post #38319 of 42694
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Bob and All,
Now you piqued my curiosity and question: I do, indeed have true full-range speakers that go -3dB at 23Hz and -6dB at 20Hz and -10dB at 17Hz. They go up to 45kHz. I also have a sub that goes to 18Hz at -3db.
Movies are fine and optimized. No complaints with movies.
However, for music only, I want to get the optimal configuration with my full range speakers. Right now, I'm indeed cutting off at 30Hz. However I'd like to test and try overlap of both the sub and my full-range speakers between 30Hz and below. The reason for this is that the room is very, very large (that's why I have full range speakers and a 15" sub). I feel as though I need just a bit more weight at the bottom end---not for explosions, etc, but for appropriate weight and impact of instruments at lower frequencies.
So, if I want to test an overlap both the sub and the full-range speakers at the lowest frequencies:
  1. What is the best way/practice to overlap full range and a sub? I recall seeing it once in the manual and can't find it again. I don't know if this was with my 20v or with my 50v.
  2. Does Anthem recommend this approach in my specific situation (I recall that they don't recommend overlap)
  3. Are there other configuration options/suggestions? There's no specific LFE channel in music, so it's not like I can just turn up the DB in the speaker config.
Am I just barking up the wrong tree? Any thoughts are much appreciated.
Theo

I don't have content that goes down that low so I don't use my sub. I do set my Studio 100s to full range and set to 25Hz and it sounds fantastic.
John
Edited by jayray - 9/5/12 at 12:25pm
post #38320 of 42694
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

The diff between versions of the Studio models is evolutionary not revolutionary so I don't think the new models will be that different. The Monitor 11s are excellent speakers so the avm 50 may be the biggest diff.
John

Since I didn't capitalize on the AVM50v on-time I have even begun to look at severely discounted D2v's (around $5000). Is there a sound quality difference between the AVM50v and the D2v for strictly 5.1 surround sound listening? Or is the difference between the two more inputs/outputs and more technical specs geared at music reproduction/listening?

Thanks!
post #38321 of 42694
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Since I didn't capitalize on the AVM50v on-time I have even begun to look at severely discounted D2v's (around $5000). Is there a sound quality difference between the AVM50v and the D2v for strictly 5.1 surround sound listening? Or is the difference between the two more inputs/outputs and more technical specs geared at music reproduction/listening?
Thanks!

I went from an AVM50 to a D2v and there was an appreciable difference. However I don't know if that's the case from an AVM50v.
John
post #38322 of 42694
Hi All,

I have a AVM50 and was wondering if I could run a compononent output to my main display and use HDMI inputs? Will the AVM50 transcode the video from HDMI to Component out? Also, assume I could still use the HDMI audio stream?

Thanks in advance,
ejn1
post #38323 of 42694
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Since I didn't capitalize on the AVM50v on-time I have even begun to look at severely discounted D2v's (around $5000). Is there a sound quality difference between the AVM50v and the D2v for strictly 5.1 surround sound listening? Or is the difference between the two more inputs/outputs and more technical specs geared at music reproduction/listening?
Thanks!

I would say the Statement D2v is more for audiophiles. If you already have an audiophile stereo preamp and will only use the pre/pro for movies I would go with the AVM-50v. The only differences are:
- upsampling DACs (there are different opinions on the merits of this)
- tighter tolerance on some discrete components
- Statement faceplate

In the old AVM-50 days the Statement line had more processing power but now the 50v is on par. The video processor and input/outputs are the same.
post #38324 of 42694
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There's also the issue of whether playing at 85dB will:

a) Do harm to your hearing -- folks with systems like this tend to watch MANY more movies at home than in commercial theaters. 85dB is LOUD even without worrying about whether your home system distorts at that volume. Hours of listening at 85dB can be a challenge. (Newbies: Also keep in mind that Reference Level does not mean PEAK Level. PEAK sounds in action movies can easily rise 15dB higher.)

Personally, I don't enjoy listening to movies at home which are set to that level. The system can do it, but I don't run it that way.
--Bob

Does this take into account the gain of the amps and sensitivity of the speakers? For example running balanced connections nets you another 6dB.
I run balanced to Statement amps (29 dB gain) with average sensitivity speakers (Energy Veritas) and find it plenty LOUD at -20 dB on the dial for DTS movies. With Dolby a little higher, say -15 dB.

I did some measurements once playing loud DVD-Audio 5.1 concert at 100 dB peaks and the volume still wasn't near 0.
post #38325 of 42694
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

The diff between versions of the Studio models is evolutionary not revolutionary so I don't think the new models will be that different. The Monitor 11s are excellent speakers so the avm 50 may be the biggest diff.
John

Agreed, plus with the more powerful ARC you can afford your speakers more correction.

I would also be skeptical of "new" speaker models. These days it more often means a switch in manufacturing or outsourcing components / cabinets (i.e. from Canada to China) than an actual improvement in quality. Stick with what you know works.
post #38326 of 42694
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Does this take into account the gain of the amps and sensitivity of the speakers? For example running balanced connections nets you another 6dB.
I run balanced to Statement amps (29 dB gain) with average sensitivity speakers (Energy Veritas) and find it plenty LOUD at -20 dB on the dial for DTS movies. With Dolby a little higher, say -15 dB.
I did some measurements once playing loud DVD-Audio 5.1 concert at 100 dB peaks and the volume still wasn't near 0.
Such things are irrelevant when a system is properly calibrated.

In a calibrated system at reference level SPL's can reach 105dB from each speaker and 115dB from the LFE, due to the combined output in full swing levels can exceed 120dB. That's assuming the system has the dynamic range capability.

Cheers
post #38327 of 42694
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Originally Posted by ejn1 View Post

Hi All,

I have a AVM50 and was wondering if I could run a compononent output to my main display and use HDMI inputs? Will the AVM50 transcode the video from HDMI to Component out? Also, assume I could still use the HDMI audio stream?

Thanks in advance,
ejn1

You can not convert HDMI video input to Component video output due to the lack of copy protection on Component video.

For Component output you will need to use either Component or S-video input.

HOWEVER, there's another solution people have been using -- a gizmo sold under the name HDFury. This is a gizmo that affixes to your TV. It takes HDMI input (complete with copy protection) and converts that to feed the Component input jacks on the TV. Their legal theory -- so far they've not been challenged on this -- is that once you affix the device to the TV it is now PART of the TV and thus no different than if you had opened up the TV and added HDMI input hardware as a TV upgrade. Using one of these you can then use HDMI in and out on the AVM 50 to drive your HDFury/TV combo.
--Bob
post #38328 of 42694
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Bob and All,

Now you piqued my curiosity and question: I do, indeed have true full-range speakers that go -3dB at 23Hz and -6dB at 20Hz and -10dB at 17Hz. They go up to 45kHz. I also have a sub that goes to 18Hz at -3db.

Movies are fine and optimized. No complaints with movies.

However, for music only, I want to get the optimal configuration with my full range speakers. Right now, I'm indeed cutting off at 30Hz. However I'd like to test and try overlap of both the sub and my full-range speakers between 30Hz and below. The reason for this is that the room is very, very large (that's why I have full range speakers and a 15" sub). I feel as though I need just a bit more weight at the bottom end---not for explosions, etc, but for appropriate weight and impact of instruments at lower frequencies.

So, if I want to test an overlap both the sub and the full-range speakers at the lowest frequencies:
  1. What is the best way/practice to overlap full range and a sub? I recall seeing it once in the manual and can't find it again. I don't know if this was with my 20v or with my 50v.
  2. Does Anthem recommend this approach in my specific situation (I recall that they don't recommend overlap)
  3. Are there other configuration options/suggestions? There's no specific LFE channel in music, so it's not like I can just turn up the DB in the speaker config.

Am I just barking up the wrong tree? Any thoughts are much appreciated.

Theo

Attempting to circumvent ARC and force overlap is a bad idea. The concept (known as SuperSub in the Setup menu) is a hack that predates ARC which was evidently put in for marketing reasons to compete against other systems that were touting the extra boomy bass you could use to rock your neighborhood if you didn't care a damn about actual calibrated audio.

It is a GOOD idea to allow ARC to use BOTH the Sub and Mains when setting up your Music solution -- presuming you have a decent Sub in the first place -- as that gives ARC more degrees of freedom to construct a well calibrated solution. But let ARC do its thing. Always set "1 Sub" in Setup when using ARC (even if you have more than 1 Sub). Never use SuperSub.



In general, there is a tradeoff in Sub design between how much volume they can produce and how accurate they are. My Velodyne DD series Sub even has a "servo" adjustment setting where one end provides maximum output and the other end (which I use) provides maximum accuracy.

My recommendation is that you buy a Sub which tests as being highly accurate, as well as being able to go quite deep into low frequencies, and then use that to support the low end of your speakers EVEN IF those speakers are sold as "full range". If such a Sub doesn't produce enough volume, buy two.

You must understand that there's quite a lot of guff out there in bass specs for main speakers. Even well engineered full range speakers may only be able to meet their low frequency specs when played at lower volumes. If your speaker does not have powered woofers, odds are a separate sub (of decent design) will do a better job despite the specs for the speaker.

This is why I recommend pairing even "full range" speakers with a decent Sub setup -- albeit perhaps at a low crossover like 30Hz so that the Sub is only handling the lowest portion of steered bass. The sub will ALSO be handling the ENTIRETY of LFE channel content, so it needs to be a good quality -- full bass range sub -- not just a thumper suitable only for those lowest of the low frequencies. LFE content is, by design, where LOUD bass resides. And so it makes sense to have the Sub handle that as the bass capacity of full range speakers will be weakest when asked to reproduce LOUD bass.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 9/5/12 at 3:39pm
post #38329 of 42694
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I would say the Statement D2v is more for audiophiles. If you already have an audiophile stereo preamp and will only use the pre/pro for movies I would go with the AVM-50v. The only differences are:
- upsampling DACs (there are different opinions on the merits of this)
- tighter tolerance on some discrete components
- Statement faceplate
In the old AVM-50 days the Statement line had more processing power but now the 50v is on par. The video processor and input/outputs are the same.

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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Agreed, plus with the more powerful ARC you can afford your speakers more correction.
I would also be skeptical of "new" speaker models. These days it more often means a switch in manufacturing or outsourcing components / cabinets (i.e. from Canada to China) than an actual improvement in quality. Stick with what you know works.

Awesome! Thanks for the replies.

I love the sound of my Series 7 Monitor speakers and have no gripes with them: their styling fits my theater room, they haven't let me down during any movie so far, and they were perfect on my wallet. Plus, having that Sub 25 keeps me grinning even to this day when watching movies.
Sounds like my mind is made-up: I will save up for a new AVM50v unless I find a used one by the time I have the funds (late November or December).

Anyone heard any rumors of a new Anthem processor coming out soon?
post #38330 of 42694
jayray,

I know your very active in the MRX thread and always aware of any new problems that pop up with firmware updates, etc.

In your opinion, do the AVM50v/D2v suffer as numerous problems, big or small, as the MRX's?

Thanks!
post #38331 of 42694
OK, setting up my D2v. I have noticed that when playing something with a ticker tape, sports scores, stock prices etc, that it is not smooth but rather jerky. I am playing back recordings of Boss. There are scenes that are smooth, and then scenes that are jerky.

And I would think my Direct TV source is 1080P, however Anthem is displaying 1080i. Is there a problem?
post #38332 of 42694
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

jayray,
I know your very active in the MRX thread and always aware of any new problems that pop up with firmware updates, etc.
In your opinion, do the AVM50v/D2v suffer as numerous problems, big or small, as the MRX's?
Thanks!

These models have been around longer and are built in Canada which means Anthem can solve problems faster because the engineers don't have to wait for sourced out component companies to fix their product. The engineers solve problems quickly in general, and for the MRXs, the latest firmware is pretty stable.
John
post #38333 of 42694
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Since I didn't capitalize on the AVM50v on-time I have even begun to look at severely discounted D2v's (around $5000). Is there a sound quality difference between the AVM50v and the D2v for strictly 5.1 surround sound listening? Or is the difference between the two more inputs/outputs and more technical specs geared at music reproduction/listening?
Thanks!
D2v_50v Comp Chart.pdf 37k .pdf file

See attachment...
post #38334 of 42694
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Yes. A lot of commercial music at the quality level played on Pandora is boosted in volume (and then compressed to try to reduce clipping -- i.e., it all plays loud without much actual RANGE of dynamics). Some of the stuff on commercial radio stations is mangled beyond belief.
--Bob
Sheesh .... and i thought it was lossless!
post #38335 of 42694
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Originally Posted by bohai View Post

OK, setting up my D2v. I have noticed that when playing something with a ticker tape, sports scores, stock prices etc, that it is not smooth but rather jerky. I am playing back recordings of Boss. There are scenes that are smooth, and then scenes that are jerky.
And I would think my Direct TV source is 1080P, however Anthem is displaying 1080i. Is there a problem?

Standard HD channels on DirecTV are 1080i or 720p. Pay-Per-View movies can go to 1080p. I haven't noticed any jerkiness in the bottom crawls, but I don't really look at them for more than a second or two. I'd make sure you have your video out set for 60hz.
post #38336 of 42694
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Originally Posted by BigCoolJesus View Post

Awesome! Thanks for the replies.
I love the sound of my Series 7 Monitor speakers and have no gripes with them: their styling fits my theater room, they haven't let me down during any movie so far, and they were perfect on my wallet. Plus, having that Sub 25 keeps me grinning even to this day when watching movies.
Sounds like my mind is made-up: I will save up for a new AVM50v unless I find a used one by the time I have the funds (late November or December).

Good decision. Not to confuse matters but what would a used D2 w/ARC go for (not the D2v)? I still think it is a good option if you don't have a 7.1 speaker setup, i.e. you can live with 5.1 LPCM (HDMI 1.1 limitation).
Quote:
Anyone heard any rumors of a new Anthem processor coming out soon?

No, they only just released the 3D upgrade kit for the 50v & D2v.
post #38337 of 42694
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Originally Posted by CharlieU View Post

Standard HD channels on DirecTV are 1080i or 720p. Pay-Per-View movies can go to 1080p. I haven't noticed any jerkiness in the bottom crawls, but I don't really look at them for more than a second or two. I'd make sure you have your video out set for 60hz.

Right. Since there are a few new users here it's worth repeating that you need to setup more than one video output configuration in the Anthem if you want to take advantage of 24Hz films because the video processor does not perform inverse telecine (converting 60Hz film-based material to 24p) plus there is always 60Hz video-based material on TV, concert videos, amateur movies, etc.

So if you have a true 24p source (Blu-ray or HD-DVD) use the 1080p24 output configuration if your TV supports that. For other sources choose from the other output configurations (1080i60, 1080p60, 720p60) whichever works best for your TV. If the source is capable of producing multiple formats (i.e. channel surfing with tuner set to bypass mode) the video processor can nicely handle upconversion of everything to 1080p60 if your TV supports that and assuming it is a fixed pixel display, not a CRT.
post #38338 of 42694
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

D2v_50v Comp Chart.pdf 37k .pdf file
See attachment...

Ah, my favorite chart, thanks for digging it up smile.gif

Interesting:

Inverse Telecine = future software
frown.gif
post #38339 of 42694
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Attempting to circumvent ARC and force overlap is a bad idea. The concept (known as SuperSub in the Setup menu) is a hack that predates ARC which was evidently put in for marketing reasons to compete against other systems that were touting the extra boomy bass you could use to rock your neighborhood if you didn't care a damn about actual calibrated audio.
It is a GOOD idea to allow ARC to use BOTH the Sub and Mains when setting up your Music solution -- presuming you have a decent Sub in the first place -- as that gives ARC more degrees of freedom to construct a well calibrated solution. But let ARC do its thing. Always set "1 Sub" in Setup when using ARC (even if you have more than 1 Sub). Never use SuperSub.
In general, there is a tradeoff in Sub design between how much volume they can produce and how accurate they are. My Velodyne DD series Sub even has a "servo" adjustment setting where one end provides maximum output and the other end (which I use) provides maximum accuracy.
My recommendation is that you buy a Sub which tests as being highly accurate, as well as being able to go quite deep into low frequencies, and then use that to support the low end of your speakers EVEN IF those speakers are sold as "full range". If such a Sub doesn't produce enough volume, buy two.
You must understand that there's quite a lot of guff out there in bass specs for main speakers. Even well engineered full range speakers may only be able to meet their low frequency specs when played at lower volumes. If your speaker does not have powered woofers, odds are a separate sub (of decent design) will do a better job despite the specs for the speaker.
This is why I recommend pairing even "full range" speakers with a decent Sub setup -- albeit perhaps at a low crossover like 30Hz so that the Sub is only handling the lowest portion of steered bass. The sub will ALSO be handling the ENTIRETY of LFE channel content, so it needs to be a good quality -- full bass range sub -- not just a thumper suitable only for those lowest of the low frequencies. LFE content is, by design, where LOUD bass resides. And so it makes sense to have the Sub handle that as the bass capacity of full range speakers will be weakest when asked to reproduce LOUD bass.
--Bob

That's great Bob. Thanks. So I'm indeed remembering that from my AVM/20 days.

I'm not worried about the quality of either as I'm using Revel Ultima2's along with a Revel B15 sub. So I've got checks next to great speakers and sub. Playing music in full range is utterly spectacular in full range mode; however, given the size of my room and seating distance, there is indeed "room" for more punch--at low to moderate volumes. At moderate to louder volumes everything is spectacularly amazing without a sub. I don't miss a sub there one bit.

I know that I could use Dolby Volume, but I prefer not to use Dolby Volume in a 2-channel listening setup. There's certainly a difference; and in my setup with 2-channel critical listening, Dolby Volume isn't complementary.

Thanks,
Theo
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Many thanks Bob for the quick response.
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