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post #38971 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

My TV has an Audio Return Channel on one of the HDMI inputs. I connected that to one of the D2v HDMI input but did not get the TV sound through D2v. I sm trying to get the broadcast TV sound through D2v. Does D2v support Audio Return Channel?
Thanks.

I'm pretty sure it doesn't.
John
post #38972 of 42682
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Originally Posted by jrisles View Post

I have recently taken possession of an Anthem Statement D2v and the first thing i did was attempt to update to the lateste firmware. The current version was 2.10c and i downloaded the latest version 3.09 and it connected ok to the processor using the RS-232 serial connector on the processor with a RS-232 to USB converter into my laptop.
When i ran the upgrade program it recognised the processor the first part was successful (which i couldn't quite see in the status bar as it all happened so quickly) then the next step which was analysing the EEPROM software before it updated it stayed in what seemed to be in a "hung" state for about 5 minutes before i received an error message indicating the EEPROM update failed.
Now i can't even turn on the unit? Where to from here? Please don't tell me i have to send it back to the manufacturer in Canada? I live in Australia and this will be a real pain if that is the case.
Anyone have any suggestions about how to resolve this problem on this unit?

Just an update guys. I ordered the "Kanda Kit" to get my AS DV2 back to life. This kit and corresponding instructions cleared the EEPROM before i actually attempted the Firmware upgrade using the Keyspan USB to Serial adapter. I can report that unbricking my unit (using the Kanda Kit) and the corresponding FW upgrade to v3.09 went well. I now have a unit that is up to date with the latest firmware and now back in good working order.

If you are just doing a Firmware upgrade you only need the Keyspan USB to Serial Adapter;

http://www.amazon.com/Keyspan-USA-19HS-Hi-Speed-supports-Sequence/dp/B0000VYJRY/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&qid=1353893310&sr=8-1&keywords=keyspan+usb+to+serial+adapter

If you have "bricked" your unit (like i had) to "unbrick it" you will need this & the accompanying instructions. (Note to use the Kanda Kit you do need to remove the outer casing and access the mother board. If you are not confident in doing these then of course the recommendation is to return your unit back to Anthem who will do this for you. However because i live n Australia the cost of returning the unit would be about $AU200.00 and the time it would take to get the unit back to me would be in the order of months (not days)). I have a technical back ground so i didn't have an issue with attempting to unbrick my unit.;

http://www.kanda.com/products/Kanda/AVRISP-U.html

It should also be stated that the Keyspan USB to Serial adapter is included in the Anthem Statement package. This has only been a more recent addition and my unit did not come shipped with this adapter. The mistake i made (unknowingly at the time) was that i used a USB to Serial adapter that was not suitable for this activity & i only learned of the keyspan adapter AFTER my unit was bricked when i started to research answers for my dilemma.
post #38973 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

My TV has an Audio Return Channel on one of the HDMI inputs. I connected that to one of the D2v HDMI input but did not get the TV sound through D2v. I sm trying to get the broadcast TV sound through D2v. Does D2v support Audio Return Channel?
Thanks.
It does not. (HDMI Audio Return Channel is one of many "optional" features of HDMI).

Your best bet is to use an Optical or Coax digital audio output from the TV to an input on the D2v. Presuming there is such an output on your TV, that will do the trick as Optical/Coax carries identical digital audio to what would be on the HDMI Audio Return Chanel. If the TV has a Bistream (Dolby Digital) vs. LPCM setting choice for that Optical/Coax output, use the Bitstream (Dolby Digital) choice.
--Bob
post #38974 of 42682
I'm new to avs forumn, and have a question about the ARC kit. My dealer sold me an arc kit that does not match my serial number on the unit. I called him and he said that this does not matter and it was Anthem's way to protect themselves from kit sharing. I'm afraid to run the software on the mismatched unit, has anyone had this happen?
post #38975 of 42682
I have an Oppo 95 and a Sony 5400ES SACD player. I think Sony sends DSD over HDMI for SACD's, so there is no choice, but I can set DSD or PCM on my Oppo to be sent to D2v. What should I use. Which would give better sound.
Thanks.
post #38976 of 42682
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Originally Posted by Tom Rousch View Post

I'm new to avs forumn, and have a question about the ARC kit. My dealer sold me an arc kit that does not match my serial number on the unit. I called him and he said that this does not matter and it was Anthem's way to protect themselves from kit sharing. I'm afraid to run the software on the mismatched unit, has anyone had this happen?

The important thing is that the mic serial number matches what's shown on the install disc for the mic, because there are individual calibration data files for each mic.

The ARC software used to enforce the processor serial number match back when ARC was new and people were mostly buying ARC kits separately. But now that ARC is bundled with new products it is possible the software isn't enforcing that any longer. In any event, if you run into a problem Anthem tech support can email to you the pair of files you need to get it all matched up: The ARC license file, and the mic calibration data file.
--Bob
post #38977 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

I have an Oppo 95 and a Sony 5400ES SACD player. I think Sony sends DSD over HDMI for SACD's, so there is no choice, but I can set DSD or PCM on my Oppo to be sent to D2v. What should I use. Which would give better sound.
Thanks.

The D2v does not accept HDMI DSD as a valid digital audio input format. You must use either HDMI LPCM or you must use the Analog inputs.

The OPPO does a fine job of the conversion from DSD to LPCM so no worries.
--Bob
post #38978 of 42682
Bob: Thanks again, but just some clarification for my understanding:

Sony outputs DSD on HDMI by default and there is no choice, as I understand, but D2v does play it, so what happens when D2v receives DSD from the Sony.

And I have a choice of PCM or DSD under Oppo, so I should choose PCM for SACD output, correct.
post #38979 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Bob: Thanks again, but just some clarification for my understanding:
Sony outputs DSD on HDMI by default and there is no choice, as I understand, but D2v does play it, so what happens when D2v receives DSD from the Sony.
And I have a choice of PCM or DSD under Oppo, so I should choose PCM for SACD output, correct.

If you send DSD to the Anthem via HDMI, the D2V will literally blow up. It will also send a signal that will probably destroy any amps and speakers farther down the chain.

With the Oppo you should set SACD to LPCM, or even more destruction could ensue.
post #38980 of 42682
Thanks Bob for the reply.

The mic and disc match and I ran it using a serial port on my computer, but it doesn't sound quite right.

I may have to run it again and then decide if something is wrong from there.
post #38981 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Bob: Thanks again, but just some clarification for my understanding:

Sony outputs DSD on HDMI by default and there is no choice, as I understand, but D2v does play it, so what happens when D2v receives DSD from the Sony.

And I have a choice of PCM or DSD under Oppo, so I should choose PCM for SACD output, correct.

DSD capability is something that's negotiated during the HDMI handshake. The player will learn from the D2v that HDMI DSD is not an acceptable format. The player will then either mute the audio output or send LPCM.

While playing an SACD on the Sony via HDMI into the D2v, press the Select button repeatedly on the D2v remote and you will get, among other things, the details of what's coming in for audio. If the Sony is sending 44.1 KHz stereo LPCM, then it has switched to playing the CD compatible layer from a "hybrid" SACD disc. (Not all SACD discs include a CD layer.) If it is sending 88.2KHz or 176.4KHz LPCM 2.0 or 5.1 then it is playing the stereo or 5.1 SACD track as you intended.

For the OPPO, you should set SACD Output PCM. If you set DSD you will still GET PCM anyway, but setting PCM is better because it simplifies the HDMI handshake.

If you want to do your own comparison in the OPPO, hook up the 5.1 Analog audio. Set HDMI Audio OFF and then you can compare SACD Output PCM and SACD Output DSD via Analog.
--Bob
post #38982 of 42682
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Originally Posted by Tom Rousch View Post

Thanks Bob for the reply.

The mic and disc match and I ran it using a serial port on my computer, but it doesn't sound quite right.

I may have to run it again and then decide if something is wrong from there.

Screen capture and post your ARC charts and ARC Targets window here and folks here can help you figure out what's up.
--Bob
post #38983 of 42682
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Originally Posted by AuburnM5 View Post

The thing I loved about the 561 was the 2 channel performance. I was initially looking at one of the MRX recievers, but I she has given me the green light to spend a bit more.
Here is my question. The system will be about 50% music, 30% TV via DirecTV, and 20% blu-ray movies on a new Oppo player (would love advice on that too) and a new 60 inch ST series Panasonic plasma. The processor is going to be paired with 3 McIntosh amps and B&W N802's. I also don't have any interest in 3D.
My system is only 5.1 and I don't see going to 7.1 anytime soon since the room is our living room as well. With all that said, do y'all think the D2 with ARC would be a good processor for my setup?

Yes the Statement D2 looks like a good match for these criteria. It will be a better preamp for you than the MRX or AVM-50, and a lot cheaper than a D2v or 50v. I think you will also benefit from the fully balanced circuits in the Statement line with your McIntosh amps.
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My preference is to either have the Oppo and DirecTV sources be plugged directly into the TV and the audio be sent through the processor. Will the D2 allow through HDMI pass through as well? The other processors I was looking at was the MRX-300, McIntosh MX-120, or doing the older Meridian 568.2MM paired with their HDMI switcher. Obviously, my older processor couldn't handle some of the newer codecs, so I would love to try DVD-A or SACD with the new equipment. I would love everyone's thoughts on this.

Let the D2 do the switching. You won't be able to bypass the video processor but it will do no harm if you leave it locked on 1080p60 output for DirectTV and 1080p24 output for the Oppo.
post #38984 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Sony outputs DSD on HDMI by default and there is no choice, as I understand, but D2v does play it ...

The Sony is outputting DSD as PCM 176.4kHz 16-bit which the D2v is decoding just fine. Trust me I have one, and I don't recall making any setting in the Sony, I think it is automatic.
post #38985 of 42682
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Originally Posted by jrisles View Post

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Originally Posted by jrisles View Post

I have recently taken possession of an Anthem Statement D2v and the first thing i did was attempt to update to the lateste firmware. The current version was 2.10c and i downloaded the latest version 3.09 and it connected ok to the processor using the RS-232 serial connector on the processor with a RS-232 to USB converter into my laptop.
When i ran the upgrade program it recognised the processor the first part was successful (which i couldn't quite see in the status bar as it all happened so quickly) then the next step which was analysing the EEPROM software before it updated it stayed in what seemed to be in a "hung" state for about 5 minutes before i received an error message indicating the EEPROM update failed.
Now i can't even turn on the unit? Where to from here? Please don't tell me i have to send it back to the manufacturer in Canada? I live in Australia and this will be a real pain if that is the case.
Anyone have any suggestions about how to resolve this problem on this unit?


Just an update guys. I ordered the "Kanda Kit" to get my AS DV2 back to life. This kit and corresponding instructions cleared the EEPROM before i actually attempted the Firmware upgrade using the Keyspan USB to Serial adapter. I can report that unbricking my unit (using the Kanda Kit) and the corresponding FW upgrade to v3.09 went well. I now have a unit that is up to date with the latest firmware and now back in good working order.

 

Anthem had me had get the same kanda kit as you did when my D2v was bricked during a FW upgrade. Process was simple but the whole time my unit was dead was no fun.

post #38986 of 42682
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

My TV has an Audio Return Channel on one of the HDMI inputs. I connected that to one of the D2v HDMI input but did not get the TV sound through D2v. I sm trying to get the broadcast TV sound through D2v. Does D2v support Audio Return Channel?
Thanks.
It does not. (HDMI Audio Return Channel is one of many "optional" features of HDMI).

Your best bet is to use an Optical or Coax digital audio output from the TV to an input on the D2v. Presuming there is such an output on your TV, that will do the trick as Optical/Coax carries identical digital audio to what would be on the HDMI Audio Return Chanel. If the TV has a Bistream (Dolby Digital) vs. LPCM setting choice for that Optical/Coax output, use the Bitstream (Dolby Digital) choice.
--Bob

 

Does the 3-D upgrade kit support the ARC(Audio Return Channel) feature?

post #38987 of 42682
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Bob: Thanks again, but just some clarification for my understanding:
Sony outputs DSD on HDMI by default and there is no choice, as I understand, but D2v does play it, so what happens when D2v receives DSD from the Sony.
And I have a choice of PCM or DSD under Oppo, so I should choose PCM for SACD output, correct.

If you send DSD to the Anthem via HDMI, the D2V will literally blow up. It will also send a signal that will probably destroy any amps and speakers farther down the chain.

With the Oppo you should set SACD to LPCM, or even more destruction could ensue.

Huh? You're kidding, right? No blowup observed on my end for years .... The D2v just tells the Oppo re-send data in LPCM.

post #38988 of 42682
All of these 7.1 questions came about because I got two more speakers.

So, I re-ran ARC for the new set-up and the crossover got set on the Sub to 5Hz and -10db and almost no bass was coming out the sub at all.

I know that the crossovers and settings in ARC aren't a dead stop cut-off, but I've had issues in the past where the sub was set extremely low -12db in the ARC upload.

I'm getting ready to re-run it to figure out what's wrong as I was really missing my bass, but is this just an upload error or is there some info coming from the speakers to do this.

Keep in mind I am running the L-R in ARC as FLAT per previous discussion and I'm using the latest non-testing ARC on a D1/D2. I've added my latest screen shots. My 75db reference seems a little low, but I don't see anything to upset the sub.

"The FLAT setting in ARC allows for no room correction below 20hz, which can be a good thing on some larger speakers in larger rooms. FULL RANGE still treats the speakers as large but limits sub-20hz response to prevent standing waves in certain installs. " - Tech Support



Edited by airboyd - 11/27/12 at 3:21pm
post #38989 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Yesterday I connected my D2v to Oppo 95's HDMI-1 and lost picture. My primary output in Oppo is set to HDMI-1.
When I connect Oppo HDMI-2 to the D2v it is fine. Has anyone had this issue, any solutions. Oppo tech support says to try to switch cables and use a longer cable between Oppo and D2v. Currently I am using only a 3 feet cable between Oppo and D2v.
Thanks.

Bob has suggested on many occasions to use 6' cable and not less than that. So oppo said the same so try that first.
John
post #38990 of 42682
Here is little correction to what I had reported earlier.

When I connect my D2v to Oppo 95's HDMI-1 I only get left and right audio channels from Oppo to D2v while the disc is actually playing 7.1 track. I checked that by pressing the select button on the remote, and Oppo display also says TrueHD. When I switch to Anlg DIR, I get 7.1 coming in. My primary output in Oppo is set to HDMI-1.

When I connect Oppo HDMI-2 to the D2v it is fine. Has anyone had this issue, any solutions. Oppo tech support says to try to switch cables and use a longer cable between Oppo and D2v and I tried using longer 6' cable which came with the Oppo and still no change.

Thanks.
post #38991 of 42682
^ If you have both HDMI 1 and 2 connections live from the OPPO, then HDMI 1 will only carry a stereo down mix of whatever audio track you are playing -- intended for use with a Display's built-in speakers. HDMI 2 carries the full set of audio formats.
--Bob
post #38992 of 42682
Ok gang. Have the clearance from the Boss to outfit the man cave in the basement. I am starting from scratch. Primarily movies, but also enjoy music and have a fairly decent build up of SACD's.

I like the new Oppo 103. I like the top of the line Anthem. However, the Oppo has 6 outputs for SACD, but the Anthem does not take those inputs.

I like SACD, so what in the real world am I losing if I go HDMI instead with the Anthem? Is there a work-around?

Thanks!

Steve
post #38993 of 42682
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Originally Posted by SteveLV View Post

Ok gang. Have the clearance from the Boss to outfit the man cave in the basement. I am starting from scratch. Primarily movies, but also enjoy music and have a fairly decent build up of SACD's.
I like the new Oppo 103. I like the top of the line Anthem. However, the Oppo has 6 outputs for SACD, but the Anthem does not take those inputs.
I like SACD, so what in the real world am I losing if I go HDMI instead with the Anthem? Is there a work-around?
Thanks!
Steve

Have the Oppo send the SACD as PCM over HDMI to the D2v. Works just fine.
post #38994 of 42682
^^ Actually the D2v DOES have 6-Channel Analog Input.

So you can use either HDMI LPCM audio or multi-channel Analog audio for playing SACDs from the OPPO 103. Use ANALOG-DSP in Source Setup for the 6-CH Source so that ARC can be applied to it. Use HDMI for Video in either case.

HDMI audio will sound identical to Analog audio input from the SACDs, and of course is a lot easier to set up. But Analog can be used also, if you feel like experimenting.
--Bob
post #38995 of 42682
Bob: I need some advice/clarification:

I have an Oppo 95, D2v, and P5, and I am trying to setup the system from scratch because I readjusted the speakers, etc.

I listen to both HDMI, and Analog Dir from my Oppo, and I was trying to setup few things last night before I ran ARC this evening.

First off when I tried to set the Test Level in Level Calibration in D2v to 75db, as soon as I changed the test level from +0.0, it straight jumped to -10.0db, and it would only go lower (-11.0, -11.5, etc.), I could not move it between 0.0 to -10.0db, this is something new, and what I was trying to do is to set the Test Level and also set the Volume Control knob on my Sub25. The only way to get it back to 0 is to Reset Factory Default". I have just one Sub and I am running 3.09.

Another thing is that I want to use ARC for movies, etc. but I am leaning towards Anlg DIR for music, so to do that I will have to set the Audio Processing in my Oppo. I set all speakers to Small, and I will play with crossover between 80, and 60Hz, but my question is about the Volume Trims and Sub setup again. I think I want to set all speakers for same sound pressure with SPL meter (depending upon volume level from D2v), but I have seen you mention to set the Sub at +5.0db or maybe +10.0db regardless, is that correct. If that is correct then can you please explain briefly why?

Also, I was looking for an easier (for someone not trained to hear the difference) way to phase align the sub, and I thought there was something on AIX disc for that but I did not find anything, I will try to phase align my sub using FM noise, but is there any other as I said easier way to do this, because in the past I could not hear any difference even when I turned the phase knob from 0 to 100 (dealer help is not an option in my area).

Thanks again.
post #38996 of 42682
^ Check the Max Volume setting in Setup. If you've lowered that, then the levels will be limited as to how high they can go, particularly if you have positive volume trims for some of the other speakers. You may have lowered Max Volume and forgotten about it.

Setting things up to work BOTH for Analog Direct and for normal processed audio is tricky. Test levels using the LPCM test tracks from the AIX Audio Calibration, Blu-ray. If the SPL levels are right when tested that way then you have things set up correctly -- i.e., you've already taken care of any needed Subwoofer boost.

Hearing the Phase setting difference just takes patience. The effect is subtle so it is mainly a matter of training your ears.
--Bob
post #38997 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Bob: I need some advice/clarification:
I have an Oppo 95, D2v, and P5, and I am trying to setup the system from scratch because I readjusted the speakers, etc.
I listen to both HDMI, and Analog Dir from my Oppo, and I was trying to setup few things last night before I ran ARC this evening.
First off when I tried to set the Test Level in Level Calibration in D2v to 75db, as soon as I changed the test level from +0.0, it straight jumped to -10.0db, and it would only go lower (-11.0, -11.5, etc.), I could not move it between 0.0 to -10.0db, this is something new, and what I was trying to do is to set the Test Level and also set the Volume Control knob on my Sub25. The only way to get it back to 0 is to Reset Factory Default". I have just one Sub and I am running 3.09.
Another thing is that I want to use ARC for movies, etc. but I am leaning towards Anlg DIR for music, so to do that I will have to set the Audio Processing in my Oppo. I set all speakers to Small, and I will play with crossover between 80, and 60Hz, but my question is about the Volume Trims and Sub setup again. I think I want to set all speakers for same sound pressure with SPL meter (depending upon volume level from D2v), but I have seen you mention to set the Sub at +5.0db or maybe +10.0db regardless, is that correct. If that is correct then can you please explain briefly why?
Also, I was looking for an easier (for someone not trained to hear the difference) way to phase align the sub, and I thought there was something on AIX disc for that but I did not find anything, I will try to phase align my sub using FM noise, but is there any other as I said easier way to do this, because in the past I could not hear any difference even when I turned the phase knob from 0 to 100 (dealer help is not an option in my area).
Thanks again.

Great idea to have a dedicated Stereo setup using Analog Direct. Just for clarification you do know no sub woofer output is available or used with Analog Direct..
To use your sub woofer with a stereo setup you have to use Analog Dig which also turns on ARC.
For critical stereo listening with good audiophile sources anything but Analog Direct is detrimental to the sound.
To maximize the system for stereo you should be using the two stereo RCA output connections on the OPPO into the Analog inputs of the D2v.
For SACD Stereo listening you can set the OPPO on PCM and use the HDMI connection from the OPPO to D2v. For Multi channel use the OPPO 7.1 analog outputs to the D2v multi channel analog inputs.
When you have everything setup and working properly the way you like let me know and I will turn you on to playing the ultimate audiophile sound DSD.
DSD is amazing. Nothing like it and far exceeding Hi Rez 192/24 downloads or upsampling.
Edited by thestewman - 11/30/12 at 11:08am
post #38998 of 42682
Thank you Bob, as always. I will be doing the fresh setup tonight and report back.
post #38999 of 42682
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Great idea to have a dedicated Stereo setup using Analog Direct. Just for clarification you do know no sub woofer output is available or used with Analog Direct.
To use your sub woofer with a stereo setup you have to use Analog Dig which also turns on ARC.
For critical stereo listening with good audiophile sources anything but Analog Direct is detrimental to the sound.
To maximize the system for stereo you should be using the two stereo RCA output connections on the OPPO into the Analog inputs of the D2v.
For SACD Stereo listening you can set the OPPO on PCM and use the HDMI connection from the OPPO to D2v. For Multi channel use the OPPO 7.1 analog outputs to the D2v multi channel analog inputs.
When you have everything setup and working properly the way you like let me know and I will turn you on to playing the ultimate audiophile sound DSD.
DSD is amazing. Nothing like it and far exceeding Hi Rez 192/24 downloads or upsampling.

Thanks "thestewman". My problem is sound, and I am trying to optimize that. If you have not read my earlier posts, this is my equipment:

Oppo 95
Sony 5400ES (CD, SACD)
D2v
P5 from Anthem
All Paradigm Speakers, S-8's, S-2's, C-3, Sub25; basically a 5.1 arrangement.

I know when you say no sub under Analog Direct, but if you do Audio Processing setting in Oppo and say ON to Sub, set speakers to small, and set a crossover setting, then I think Oppo will engage the sub, correct me if I am wrong, or maybe you mean to say to be pure analog say OFF to sub, and set speakers to large and just play pure Analog Direct.

In my Sony 5400ES there is no choice; when you go analog, no crossover, etc., but it has Left and Right channels only as Analog outs.

Now as of SACD's and DVD-A's also I can and would like to use Anlg DIR, therefore I have the Oppo Analog Output connected to the D2v 6-ch analog inputs, but I am saying ON to sub, and applying crossover, if I say OFF to Sub under Oppo Audio Processing Speaker Configuration, then I will lose the sub channel from the SACD's, DVD-A's also, so I think you have to say ON to sub and apply crossover, and that sort of defaults to saying Small for speakers. Please help and advice. Thanks.
post #39000 of 42682
had to go back to 'C', not only static when i moved the cursor on each device, but then no audio at all
powering on off didn't help

kaye
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sorry, you are right 'F'
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