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post #391 of 42687
yatchaks - Glad to see that you are getting good support from Anthem. Also, as you have seen, the Anthem pre/pro is very flexible. With flexibility comes some complexity, however, once the setup is complete, you will be very happy.

Please keep us updated on your progress. My hope is that the problem with your unit is just an exception.

Cheers!
post #392 of 42687
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Originally Posted by FerretHunter View Post

And to top it all off, like I said, the picture from DVD isn't all that much better (if any at all) than I was getting from my HTPC.

Has anyone ever quoted themselves in a post? Anyways, I just finished watching Finding Nemo and X-Men with the kids. I feel much better about the video output. It was very clean and very nice. It's been a while since I last watched them, but I'm pretty sure it was better than I recalled them being. How much better, I can't say with certainty.

The movie I watched the other day during setup was Terminator 2 Ultimate Edition.

My earlier post was regarding setup and testing from yesterday. Today was relax day. I listened to music and watched movies with the kids. I feel much better about my purchase. The audio side of the AMV50/PVA7 is absolutely fantastic. If I can just get it to accept my computer input, I'll be set. I finished watching Desperate Housewives from the HDTV box using component and it was just as good as watching it straight into the H79 using DVI/HDMI, so I'm ok with using component out of that box.
post #393 of 42687
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Originally Posted by FilmMixer View Post

But regarding the DVD-A discs... I have some discs that also won't do 5.1 over the HDMI as PCM either (Steely Dan "Two Against Nature")... it is always the same with the same discs, so I think it must be some kind of authoring issue... I haven't tried my DVD-A's throught the analog outs, but will have to try and see what's up..

But regarding the audio switch issue.. that is an authoring issue on each disc.. some will let you change audio selections on the fly, some won't.. this is especially true with discs that have DTS and DD on them, as they don't want people without DTS receivers to get an earful of static.. usually have to go to the disc menu to change them.

You aren't alone, and don't be discourage.... I'll try and do some more research on DVD-A and get back to you.. I will also drop Nick a line about it and see if it is indeed related to HDMI....

Thanks for the information, especially regarding DVD-Audio. I will also do more research into the Foreigner 4 disc.

Regarding switching audio tracks, it was easy to do in TheaterTek and with my Panasonic RP91. I guess I could just go back to the main menu of the disc to switch tracks.

I will also send a note off to Nick asking for some suggestions. More so about hooking up my computer (for the convenience of HDMI switching, not for the video processing of that input). I'm ok at this point with using component outputs from the HDTV box.

My initial post was after some mixed results from the day before. The family was watching and when you've just spent a significant amount of coin, everything needs to go smoothly in order to justify the expenditure to the wife.
post #394 of 42687
Great to see this thread finally started! I will be watching this thread closely
since I am trying to decide between the AVM 40 and the AVM 50...
post #395 of 42687
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Originally Posted by yatchaks View Post

Overall, I am extemely impressed with the AVM 50. It's hard to explain the improvements without sounding like many others touting their gear, but I can say, it just sounds different, in many positive ways. I have much to explore and know further improvements will come.

I absolutely hear an improvement over the my previous gear, much to the credit (imho) of the MCA 50. When using the Denon as a pre pro, it worked suprisingly well in terms of audio. The question, is it worth 3700.00 (retail) more than a 1000.00 reciever acting as a pre pro? For me, a big yes. Any regrets? No way. I am not a wealthy person by any means, but I really enjoy home theater. Any improvements, no matter how subjective, come with a price. With my over extended budget, I'm thrilled.

I completely understand what you're saying. I just got the AVM50 and PVA7 to replace an Integra DTR 6.5. I definitely hear a difference. It's a different kind of sound, one that seems to be a bit crisper and clearer than before. When I crank it up now, the sound gets better. Before, it just got louder. Does that even make sense?

I've also posted about some setup issues I've had with my AVM50. Since it's video and setup is essentially the same as the D2, I posted in that thread since there is more activity.

I know what you mean about the budget being over extended, but just like you, I am also happy that I did this upgrade. If I can just get the AVM50 to accept 720p from my computer, I'll be set. It would be nice if it took HDMI/DVI from my HDTV box as well.

Do you by any chance have a DVI source connected to the AVM50? If so, any issues? HDMI inputs seem to be working on my AVM50 (Pioneer Elite 79avi), but I seem to be having issues with the two items which I try to connect to the AVM50 that are outputting from a DVI port (computer and HDTV box). Even though its' an HDMI cable going from the DVI device (with a DVI to HDMI adapter) into the AVM50, maybe there's some DVI issue?
post #396 of 42687
It sounds good and has a great PQ for about an hour, then shuts it's self off. That's with
six 80 mm fans (two blowing into the power supply and 4 sucking elseware)! With NO fans it runs about a half hour. The Denon had no problems in that location (even using two of the channels for zone two use).

My Dreadnought is "walled off" from the D2, so it's not contributing.

One would think that for that kind of money, Anthem would do a "burn-in" to catch this kind of thing. With all of the processing going on, I'm not suprised the thing runs warm, but the PC guys gave figured cooling high powered boxes out...

Needless to say, I'm disappointed.

larry
post #397 of 42687
Thread Starter 
My satellite STB is using DVI and I also have the green screen if I power it on AFTER the D2. If I power on the STB before the D2, then everything is working fine, and I can switch inputs all I want.

FerretHunter.

What settings are you using for the 79AVi and D2. Could you give us more details?
post #398 of 42687
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Originally Posted by FerretHunter View Post

I picked up an AVM50, PVA7, and a Pioneer Elite 79avi on Friday. I've been spending a lot of time getting this stuff set up.
Next is a problem I had with connecting my HDTV settop box. I have a Rogers Cable HDTV box (Scientific Atlanta 3250). When I connected it via HDMI (with an HDMI/DVI adaptor at the HDTV box), I get one of four possible outcomes, with no predictable pattern of which outcome to expect:

1) No picture, no sound, just a green screen.
2) No picture, no sound, flashing green screen.
3) Picture and sound, but a horrible green tint to the picture
4) Picture and sound, but a horrible green tint to the message box saying my display is not HDCP compliant.

I've tried all kinds of combinations and permutations. Nothing worked. If I disconnected the HDMI input to the AVM50 in outcomes 1 and 2 above, I suddenly got sound and a blank blue screen. Seems HDMI is interfering with coaxial digital audio in????

Three-four hours later, I was getting pissed and rather than risk throwing the cable box and/or the AVM50 out the window.

Congrats on a buy
Ease with frustration, i know where you coming from had similar problem with my initial setup.
1. are you renting HD box from rogers
if yes get it change out some of them have major software problems
If you would like to use hdmi like i do, get an HDPVR box it has HDMI out and you can set it to 480i it looks amazing
2.Some video cards out of PC will not send proper signal out. What are you using for signal out from your PC.
NOT all DVI outputs are compatible with HT equipment, this really depends on Factory specs and a plug type.
Hope this helps
post #399 of 42687
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Originally Posted by elmac View Post

Congrats on a buy
Ease with frustration, i know where you coming from had similar problem with my initial setup.
1. are you renting HD box from rogers
if yes get it change out some of them have major software problems
If you would like to use hdmi like i do, get an HDPVR box it has HDMI out and you can set it to 480i it looks amazing
2.Some video cards out of PC will not send proper signal out. What are you using for signal out from your PC.
NOT all DVI outputs are compatible with HT equipment, this really depends on Factory specs and a plug type.
Hope this helps

I bought the SA 3250 box from Rogers, so I don't think I can swap it out.

I have an ATI All In Wonder 9800 card sending 1280x720 out at 60Hz. If I connect either of the above two signals straight into the H79, it works. But into the AVM50, and crapola or nada.

I'm gonna send a shout out to Anthem tomorrow and see what they'v got to say.
post #400 of 42687
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Originally Posted by LEVESQUE View Post

My satellite STB is using DVI and I also have the green screen if I power it on AFTER the D2. If I power on the STB before the D2, then everything is working fine, and I can switch inputs all I want.

FerretHunter.

What settings are you using for the 79AVi and D2. Could you give us more details?

I will try different sequences as you suggest, but what would I do if I wanted to watch a DVD first and then CSI or something from the STB?

I will be watching some stuff later, so I'll jot down the settings.
post #401 of 42687
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Originally Posted by FerretHunter View Post

I bought the SA 3250 box from Rogers, so I don't think I can swap it out.

I have an ATI All In Wonder 9800 card sending 1280x720 out at 60Hz. If I connect either of the above two signals straight into the H79, it works. But into the AVM50, and crapola or nada.

I'm gonna send a shout out to Anthem tomorrow and see what they'v got to say.

I guess you are using svideo out or is dvi
post #402 of 42687
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Originally Posted by FerretHunter View Post

I bought the SA 3250 box from Rogers, so I don't think I can swap it out.

I don't think ypu can
How long did you have it for
I think roger has a warranty on them for a year.
Also borow from them one of the HDPVR's and see if it does the same thing, It shouldn't cost you a penny if you return it with in 21 days
post #403 of 42687
I have some more information regarding my DVD-audio issue. After carefully reading the back of the two discs I bought, I noticed the REM multichannel audio is 48KHz/24 bit, while the Foreigner disc is recorded at 96/24. Does the AMV50/D2 not accept 96/24?

I thought this might be the problems, so I tried the down convert feature of the 79avi. The signal from the Foreigner disc is now leaving the 79avi as 48/24 (just like the REM disc), but the AVM50 is still picking it up as 2 channel stereo. Damn!

I then played the disc as a DVD-video disc and selected the DD/DTS soundtrack. It was coming in now as 5.1 channel, but then again its' not the high resolution audio track. However, to my ears, it sounded just the same when comparing the DD/DTS soundtrack to the multichannel soundtrack. So for now I guess I could just listen to both of these DVD-audio discs this way.

Is the DD/DTS soundtrack as good as the multichannel soundtrack? Should I try an analog connection from the 79avi to the AVM50?

BTW, I've sent Anthem technical support an email with my problems. I'll let you all know what they have to say.
post #404 of 42687
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Originally Posted by FerretHunter View Post

I have some more information regarding my DVD-audio issue. After carefully reading the back of the two discs I bought, I noticed the REM multichannel audio is 48KHz/24 bit, while the Foreigner disc is recorded at 96/24. Does the AMV50/D2 not accept 96/24?

I thought this might be the problems, so I tried the down convert feature of the 79avi. The signal from the Foreigner disc is now leaving the 79avi as 48/24 (just like the REM disc), but the AVM50 is still picking it up as 2 channel stereo. Damn!

I then played the disc as a DVD-video disc and selected the DD/DTS soundtrack. It was coming in now as 5.1 channel, but then again its' not the high resolution audio track. However, to my ears, it sounded just the same when comparing the DD/DTS soundtrack to the multichannel soundtrack. So for now I guess I could just listen to both of these DVD-audio discs this way.

Is the DD/DTS soundtrack as good as the multichannel soundtrack? Should I try an analog connection from the 79avi to the AVM50?

BTW, I've sent Anthem technical support an email with my problems. I'll let you all know what they have to say.

The D2 receives 24/96 8ch.
post #405 of 42687
Well, my non working HDMI output was confirmed dead. Anthem will be sending out a replacement unit.

FerretHunter, I have not had any luck with the DVI inputs, but only because my HDMI out was not working. I tried running DVI in while selecting component out, but it appears the unit may not down convert DVI/HDMI to component out.

You mentioned you are using a DVI/HDMI adapter. On page 7 in the owners manual, it mentions using an actual HDMI to DVI cable is more reliable than using one with an adapter. I wonder if a new cable will help? I just purchased a few cable from monoprice, one being a 10 foot HDMI/DVI cable for $18.00. You could buy their lesser expensive cable for less than six dollars.

When I press the select button, the unit reads AVM 30-HD. Shouldn't it say AVM 50? Anyone else have the same display reading?

I also notice when watching 4x3 content, the image is shifted to the far left, as well as the AVM 50 display graphics. I have attempted to move the image within the scaler menu, but the image will not move. When I press bypass, the image turns into a small box about an eighth the size of full screen.

Can others confirm if this is happening to your units as well? I'm wondering if I may have a software issue.
post #406 of 42687
Ferret Hunter,

I had some problems with certain DVD-A's over HDMI from my 79avi to the D2 as well. Not exactly what you report, but close. In any case, the setting that ultimately saved me was a setting for HDMI under the Initial Settings area of 79avi. It is NOT under the Audio settings, as you might expect (that would make too much sense :-)

Instead, go under Initial Settings, HDMI Settings, and about 4 fields down the screen, there is an option called Audio. Make sure that is set to Auto, not to Linear PCM.

This may not fix it, but thought I would throw that out there as a suggestion.

Good luck,
ManWithAPlan
post #407 of 42687
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Originally Posted by ManWithAPlan View Post

Instead, go under Initial Settings, HDMI Settings, and about 4 fields down the screen, there is an option called Audio. Make sure that is set to Auto, not to Linear PCM.

Thanks for the suggestion, but I tried every possible setting. It didn't matter if this setting was Auto or Linear PCM. The AVM50 is only picking up 2.0 channel stereo from the Foreigner disk, even though the 79avi is outputting LPCM 3/2.1.
post #408 of 42687
Just curious if you get 5.1 out of the analogs on the Foreigner disc if you have them hooked up? I don't have that DVD-A or I would check it on my 79AVi.
post #409 of 42687
I just got some Upgrade info that will interest most everyone.

The D2 upgrades require different firmware than a virgin D2.

This different firmware is still in development with an unknown ETA.

One difference is the D1 supports OSD over composite and the D2 does not.

This same story holds true for AVM-50 upgrades for AVM-30's.

Ken
post #410 of 42687
A new D2 is headed west as I write this. I'm dissappointed that I got a defective box, but Anthem's response is terriffic.
post #411 of 42687
I have a Universal MX-800. Universal's database has a listing for the Anthem D1 buy not (yet) for the D2. I'm assuming that the D1 remote codes should *work* for the D2.

Have any of you D2 owners tried this?


larry
post #412 of 42687
Larry,

I have the MX-3000 and am using AVM-30's codes for AVM-50.
post #413 of 42687
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Originally Posted by Will Binegar View Post

Congratulations Larry. Before the D2 arrived, you were using a Denon receiver for processing with a Theta Dreadnaught providing the amplification, right? It sounds as though the improvements you're hearing are due solely to the D2's superior sonics, rather than a combination of the D2 plus better amplification.

Yes, the difference in sound is due to the D2 replacing the Denon 3805 used as a pre/pro. The Denon sounded "thin". The D2 added a lot of dementionality - I'm not a professional audio reviewer, no do I play on on the forums -- there just seemed to be more there (like comparing coffee machine coffee to French Roast out of a press).

It was a dramatic difference. I remenber thinking, wait till my wife hears this! (She was in Hawaii for a week -- her gift, the D2 -- my gift).


larry
post #414 of 42687
Ken,

Nick told me pretty much the same thing. I hope they get this done soon, because it seems like it's been forever waiting for this upgrade. I'm about ready to throw the towel in and sell my D1 and go with another solution.

...Nisi
post #415 of 42687
Larry - I was going to get the D2 but I was hoping the difference was more like comparing coffee machine coffee to espresso, guess I'll wait on the D3.

Nisi - Assuming you are waiting on the HDMI upgrade what other solutions are you considering?
post #416 of 42687
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

I was hoping the difference was more like comparing coffee machine coffee to espresso

Tom.
Maybe, I don't drink espresso . Considering the work that Anthem has ahead of them (all the upgrades, ramping up production on the AVM-30/40/50 and the D2, not to mention the software development for the above products), I wouldn't expect a D3 until HDMI v1.3 + a year.


larry
post #417 of 42687
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Originally Posted by mcnisiv View Post

Nick told me pretty much the same thing. I hope they get this done soon, because it seems like it's been forever waiting for this upgrade. I'm about ready to throw the towel in and sell my D1 and go with another solution.

There are several D1's on Audiogon - and a D2 too - selling for $3500 - $3600. It seems that some D1 owners would rather sell their D1's and buy the D2 than wait for the D1->D2 upgrade.

R
post #418 of 42687
I tried to buy a used D1 on Audiogon last year and they would only take an MO, no escrow or paypal etc. I wasn't about to send that big an MO across the country. Been afraid of the place ever since, seems like there are a lot of shady dealers/postings there.
post #419 of 42687
Quote:


Posted by obie_fl I tried to buy a used D1 on Audiogon last year and they would only take an MO, no escrow or paypal etc. I wasn't about to send that big an MO across the country. Been afraid of the place ever since, seems like there are a lot of shady dealers/postings there.

I have bought three items off Audiogon with excellent results everytime. I would much rather buy electronics from their site than ebay, as I have found a higher quality of seller on Audiogon. However, just like other online auctions, be sure that the people you are buying from have good feedback. I highly agree with never sending a money order to anyone you don't know, but that's pretty much a "no-brainer".

By the way, (back on topic) I am STILL waiting for my D2 to come in to my dealer that I ordered it from FOUR weeks ago. He says he was waiting for some of the initial "bugs" to get worked out so I wouldn't have to bring it back to him right away. That's not exactly comforting, but after reading a few posts here it might be a plausible excuse!
post #420 of 42687
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Originally Posted by mlbrand View Post

I have bought three items off Audiogon with excellent results everytime. I would much rather buy electronics from their site than ebay, as I have found a higher quality of seller on Audiogon. However, just like other online auctions, be sure that the people you are buying from have good feedback. I highly agree with never sending a money order to anyone you don't know, but that's pretty much a "no-brainer".

By the way, (back on topic) I am STILL waiting for my D2 to come in to my dealer that I ordered it from FOUR weeks ago. He says he was waiting for some of the initial "bugs" to get worked out so I wouldn't have to bring it back to him right away. That's not exactly comforting, but after reading a few posts here it might be a plausible excuse!

MLBRAND,

That's a crap excuse from your dealer. He is either misinformed dramatically, or just plain making excuses, or outright lying. It is one thing to tell you that he is having a hard time getting his hands on one because of high demand for a new product, or whatever. But to say he is waiting for bugs to be worked out, that is lame, and you should threaten to go to another dealer, who will gladly push to get you a box sooner than this guy.

Make no mistake about it - this is one hell of an SSP/Video Processor, and it absolutely works as advertised in all respects. Now, have I found defects with some of the Beta code I've tested? Yes. Have any of those things led me to de-value the D2? No. Is the current General Release of software stable and effective? Absolutely. Are there still some edge cases, where certain combinations of equipment behave suboptimally under certain conditions? Yes. Will the software get better and better over time? You're damn right it will. Do I wake up every day happy as a pig in s&%# that I bought the D2? You bet!

This thread is about tweaking and sharing our experiences and getting the very most out of the D2 that we can as owners. You will hear a preponderence of "issues" with the D2 on this forum, simply because, as audio/videophiles, we are picky bastards that wanna get the most out of everything we own. Don't let the issues you hear about on here deter you from running out and getting this product. IMHO, you will NOT be disappointed.

Good luck with it, and let us all know how we can help you maximize your enjoyment of the D2.

Peace,
ManWithAPlan
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