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Originally Posted by Shayne2 View Post

Done before post.
Regards

I would e-mail them directly, do not trust web submission forms.
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I would e-mail them directly, do not trust web submission forms.

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Originally Posted by Shayne2 View Post

Online Anthem tech support appears to be a black hole for me, this is my second contact to them and not even an acknowledgement of receipt, again. Months ago I asked for access to beta and received nothing, not even go stuff yourself. Is this the usual trend with this online service? You would think acknowledgement would be a couple of days would you not?
Regards

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Originally Posted by Shayne2 View Post

Done before post.
Regards

Having been put into Anthem's Blackhole also in the past here is my answer.

Anthem Electronics Inc.
205 Annagem Blvd.
Mississauga, ON L5T 2V1
Canada

Customer Service:
Phone: (905) 362-0958
Fax: (905) 696-9479
Someone does answer after a wait
post #39303 of 42673
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Having been put into Anthem's Blackhole also in the past here is my answer.
Anthem Electronics Inc.
205 Annagem Blvd.
Mississauga, ON L5T 2V1
Canada
Customer Service:
Phone: (905) 362-0958
Fax: (905) 696-9479
Someone does answer after a wait

Strange... I have used the online tech support form twice in the past week and have gotten an answer both times within 48 hours.
post #39304 of 42673
Here are my latest charts... Sub level increased at the sub prior to the re-measure. ARC adjusted the level -2db in level calibration.

After the measurement, sub was set to "flat" in targets window, and EQ range was set to max freq of 10khz to flatten the peaks in response for the right front and right surround between 8khz - 12khz.

Anything else I should consider with these? It sounds REALLY good now, but some room treatment and bass traps will go a long way to taming some high frequency decay issues and standing wave issues.

Thanks,
boyce


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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I would e-mail them directly, do not trust web submission forms.

what@where.ca?
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Strange... I have used the online tech support form twice in the past week and have gotten an answer both times within 48 hours.

You must be blessed. Kinda confirms seen and ignored.

I was thinking of installing a windows 7 vm in windows 8 and running arc thru vm just as a test if it is usb-com interface or the OS itself. Curious if it even possible to interface that way.

Regards
post #39306 of 42673
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Originally Posted by Shayne2 View Post

what@where.ca?
You must be blessed. Kinda confirms seen and ignored.
I was thinking of installing a windows 7 vm in windows 8 and running arc thru vm just as a test if it is usb-com interface or the OS itself. Curious if it even possible to interface that way.
Regards

Maybe you should send Nick and Andrew some Christmas cookies! wink.gif

Sorry to hear that you're not having any luck getting a response. My experience has been that they are very responsive.
post #39307 of 42673
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Maybe you should send Nick and Andrew some Christmas cookies! wink.gif
Sorry to hear that you're not having any luck getting a response. My experience has been that they are very responsive.

That's your secret .... It is Christmas time and I have patience, it is not the end of the world or anything it was just one of those humms

Regards
post #39308 of 42673
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Here are my latest charts... Sub level increased at the sub prior to the re-measure. ARC adjusted the level -2db in level calibration.
After the measurement, sub was set to "flat" in targets window, and EQ range was set to max freq of 10khz to flatten the peaks in response for the right front and right surround between 8khz - 12khz.
Anything else I should consider with these? It sounds REALLY good now, but some room treatment and bass traps will go a long way to taming some high frequency decay issues and standing wave issues.
Thanks,
boyce


I'd just put up my feet and listen. Charts look very good.
John
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^^ What sub(s) do you use? Charts looks good for sure.
post #39310 of 42673
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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

I'd just put up my feet and listen. Charts look very good.
John
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Originally Posted by xMEATx View Post

^^ What sub(s) do you use? Charts looks good for sure.

Thanks John!

Thanks xMEATx, I use one Paradigm Sub 15. Since applying ARC (after PBK, which was done some time ago) and raising the sub to the proper level, I can truly say it's a phenomenal difference from where it was. I'm getting articulate, musical bass, with enough impact that you can FEEL the kick drum on certain music types. I'm very happy! cool.gif
post #39311 of 42673
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Thanks John!
Thanks xMEATx, I use one Paradigm Sub 15. Since applying ARC (after PBK, which was done some time ago) and raising the sub to the proper level, I can truly say it's a phenomenal difference from where it was. I'm getting articulate, musical bass, with enough impact that you can FEEL the kick drum on certain music types. I'm very happy! cool.gif

Now put some LFE movies in and enjoy your hard work.
John
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Under ARC Targets window, there is check box in front of each speaker which says Full Range X-Over, what it is and why it is not checked or should not be checked,

Thanks.
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^ I'm sure Stew or Bob will chime in (and correct me if necessary), but I believe checking it sends full range signals to that set of speakers.
Edited by boyce89976 - 12/19/12 at 10:00pm
post #39314 of 42673
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Under ARC Targets window, there is check box in front of each speaker which says Full Range X-Over, what it is and why it is not checked or should not be checked,

Thanks.

Full Range turns off Crossover processing (bass stearing) from that speaker-pair to the Sub. My recommendation is that you never set Full Range except for LF/RF in a configuration that HAS NO Subwoofer.
--Bob
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Pardon my ignorance, but I wanted to make sure I have this straight before I pull the trigger. My dealer only has a D1 to demo. I know that I like the sound that it produces.

I have purchased, but not yet installed (it arrived an hour ago), a Toshiba HD-XA1 player. I was resigned to playing the audio through the analog inputs of my B&K AVR307, replacing my DVD-A player. I planned to wait until HDMI matured and receivers and pre-amps upgraded to HDMA 1.3 and added the advanced audio codecs to their arsenals.

Now, I have read that the D2 "handles" everything except SACD through its HDMI 1.1 connection. Does "handle" mean that I will get the full benefit of DD+ and DTS-HD over eight channels and Dolby True HD over two? Maybe I don't need to wait...

Thanks for any help you can provide.luojie
Edited by avsforumsdsd - 12/21/12 at 2:58am
post #39316 of 42673
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Originally Posted by avsforumsdsd View Post

Pardon my ignorance, but I wanted to make sure I have this straight before I pull the trigger. My dealer only has a D1 to demo. I know that I like the sound that it produces.
I have purchased, but not yet installed (it arrived an hour ago), a Toshiba HD-XA1 player. I was resigned to playing the audio through the analog inputs of my B&K AVR307, replacing my DVD-A player. I planned to wait until HDMI matured and receivers and pre-amps upgraded to HDMA 1.3 and added the advanced audio codecs to their arsenals.
Now, I have read that the D2 "handles" everything except SACD through its HDMI 1.1 connection. Does "handle" mean that I will get the full benefit of DD+ and DTS-HD over eight channels and Dolby True HD over two? Maybe I don't need to wait...
Thanks for any help you can provide.

The D2 will accept all of these including SACD if the player decodes them and sends them as LPCM. This is common for players. It will not accept 7.1 but only 5.1 and processing can be used to generate the rear channels. The D2v will accept and decode all these at 7.1 except the SACD which still needs to be sent as LPCM. The D2 is also limited to 96K input while the D2v will accept 192K. The D2v 3d is now using HDMI 1.4 although the numbering version system should not be used anymore.
post #39317 of 42673
AVSFORUMDSD,
Not quite. The D2 must be paired with a player that decodes the new audio Bitstream formats and SACD into LPCM.

The D2 can accept HDMI LPCM up to 5.1 channels 96KHz. It can raise 5.1 channel input to 7.1 speaker output, but it can not accept 7.1 channel input. Any decoding player will be able to take 7.1 tracks from Blu-ray and decode and down-mix them to 5.1 to send to the D2. The D2 can NOT accept the un-decoded, high bit-rate Bitstream formats from Blu-ray (DTS-HD MA and TrueHD). It does accept the older, lossy Bitstream formats found on SD-DVD (DTS and DD).

The newer D2v can accept HDMI LPCM up to 7.1 channels 192KHz. It can also accept the newer, high bit-rate Bitstream formats (DTS-HD MA and TrueHD) and decode those itself -- i.e., you don't have to have the player do the decoding. However it still does not accept HDMI DSD, so for SACD playback you will need a player that can decode the DSD format on the SACD disc into LPCM. Similarly, if you want to play HDCD discs (CD music discs with extra dynamic range encoded in), you'll need a player that can decode those to LPCM as well, otherwise it will play like a "normal" CD.
--Bob
post #39318 of 42673
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

I know you have probably looked at this numerous times before but, Please double check
Do you have SACD Priority: Set as Multi-Channel – To play the multi-channel surround audio layer
Do you have HDMI Audio: Set as LPCM – Digital audio output via HDMI
MOST IMPORTANT
Do you have a coaxial or optical cable connected between the Anthem and the OPPO ? If so remove it.
What source are you using to play your SACDs ?
What MODE have you preselected for that source in setup ?
Let me know

SACD is set for the Multichannel layer.
HDMI Audio is set to LPCM.
No coax or optical digital connection - just HDMI, the analog 5.1, and a network cable.
Does the source matter? I've tried it on one of the DVD sources as well as the 6-channel. Since you can completely configure them, I didn't think it mattered. Either way, set to HDMI audio, Auto Dig NO, neither works with multichannel SACD, both work fine with stereo SACD.
I found and installed the original 6ft OPPO HDMI cable. No change. The OPPO is definitely showing it's reading the multichannel layer and outputting by PCM on the front panel as well as the OSD.

I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop back to firmware v1.33.
Does anyone know if all saved settings survive a firmware change? I'd hate to have to redo the whole setup...

Thanks everyone for all the help.

-Ravi
post #39319 of 42673
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

The D2 will accept all of these including SACD if the player decodes them and sends them as LPCM. This is common for players. It will not accept 7.1 but only 5.1 and processing can be used to generate the rear channels. The D2v will accept and decode all these at 7.1 except the SACD which still needs to be sent as LPCM. The D2 is also limited to 96K input while the D2v will accept 192K. The D2v 3d is now using HDMI 1.4 although the numbering version system should not be used anymore.

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

AVSFORUMDSD,
Not quite. The D2 must be paired with a player that decodes the new audio Bitstream formats and SACD into LPCM.
The D2 can accept HDMI LPCM up to 5.1 channels 96KHz. It can raise 5.1 channel input to 7.1 speaker output, but it can not accept 7.1 channel input. Any decoding player will be able to take 7.1 tracks from Blu-ray and decode and down-mix them to 5.1 to send to the D2. The D2 can NOT accept the un-decoded, high bit-rate Bitstream formats from Blu-ray (DTS-HD MA and TrueHD). It does accept the older, lossy Bitstream formats found on SD-DVD (DTS and DD).
The newer D2v can accept HDMI LPCM up to 7.1 channels 192KHz. It can also accept the newer, high bit-rate Bitstream formats (DTS-HD MA and TrueHD) and decode those itself -- i.e., you don't have to have the player do the decoding. However it still does not accept HDMI DSD, so for SACD playback you will need a player that can decode the DSD format on the SACD disc into LPCM. Similarly, if you want to play HDCD discs (CD music discs with extra dynamic range encoded in), you'll need a player that can decode those to LPCM as well, otherwise it will play like a "normal" CD.
--Bob

WAIT !! Whoa !

He is talking about a D1 not a D2.
Bob, make him aware of any differences between a D1 and a D2 as I am not well versed on the D1
And also the D1 cannot be upgraded to a D2

And, he is talking about a Toshiba HD-XA1 HD-DVD Player. It cannot play BluRay. It cannot play SACD and has only (2 channel); DTS and DTS-HD decoding with 5.1 analog audio
output not digital or HDMI

And it only has 720p / 1081i video
post #39320 of 42673
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Originally Posted by ravichopra View Post

SACD is set for the Multichannel layer.
HDMI Audio is set to LPCM.
No coax or optical digital connection - just HDMI, the analog 5.1, and a network cable.
Does the source matter? I've tried it on one of the DVD sources as well as the 6-channel. Since you can completely configure them, I didn't think it mattered. Either way, set to HDMI audio, Auto Dig NO, neither works with multichannel SACD, both work fine with stereo SACD.
I found and installed the original 6ft OPPO HDMI cable. No change. The OPPO is definitely showing it's reading the multichannel layer and outputting by PCM on the front panel as well as the OSD.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop back to firmware v1.33.
Does anyone know if all saved settings survive a firmware change? I'd hate to have to redo the whole setup...
Thanks everyone for all the help.
-Ravi

Save user settings in the setup menu and you should be good to go. After firmware, restore user settings.
John
post #39321 of 42673
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Originally Posted by ravichopra View Post

SACD is set for the Multichannel layer.
HDMI Audio is set to LPCM.
No coax or optical digital connection - just HDMI, the analog 5.1, and a network cable.
Does the source matter? I've tried it on one of the DVD sources as well as the 6-channel. Since you can completely configure them, I didn't think it mattered. Either way, set to HDMI audio, Auto Dig NO, neither works with multichannel SACD, both work fine with stereo SACD.
I found and installed the original 6ft OPPO HDMI cable. No change. The OPPO is definitely showing it's reading the multichannel layer and outputting by PCM on the front panel as well as the OSD.
I'm afraid I'm going to have to drop back to firmware v1.33.
Does anyone know if all saved settings survive a firmware change? I'd hate to have to redo the whole setup...
Thanks everyone for all the help.
-Ravi

A coaxial or optical connection may trigger DRM as no pure digital output of a SACD is allowed.
The 6-channel is used only for analog input so you should be using a DVD source setup for multi channel SACD.
I still believe you have an error somewhere in your setup

I am currently 3000 miles from my D2v in Barbados so I can not easily see how I set it up so i am recalling everything from memory
Edited by thestewman - 12/20/12 at 12:56pm
post #39322 of 42673
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

WAIT !! Whoa !
He is talking about a D1 not a D2.
Bob, make him aware of any differences between a D1 and a D2 as I am not well versed on the D1
And also the D1 cannot be upgraded to a D2
And, he is talking about a Toshiba HD-XA1 HD-DVD Player. It cannot play BluRay. It cannot play SACD and has only (2 channel); DTS and DTS-HD decoding with 5.1 analog audio
output not digital or HDMI
And it only has 720p / 1081i video

He said that his dealer could demo a D1 but he asked about a D2. The D2 has the video board. While they probably can't be upgraded today they were offered the upgrade for about $2000 to add the video board. The source would needed to be able to read and decode to LPCM any formats he requires.
post #39323 of 42673
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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

He said that his dealer could demo a D1 but he asked about a D2. The D2 has the video board. While they probably can't be upgraded today they were offered the upgrade for about $2000 to add the video board. The source would needed to be able to read and decode to LPCM any formats he requires.

I wouldn't think purchasing a D1 would make sense after the purchase cost and the video board it might be more than a used D2v
I am confused about the question concerning

Quote "
have purchased, but not yet installed (it arrived an hour ago), a Toshiba HD-XA1 player. I was resigned to playing the audio through the analog inputs of my B&K AVR307, replacing my DVD-A player. I planned to wait until HDMI matured and receivers and pre-amps upgraded to HDMA 1.3 and added the advanced audio codecs to their arsenals.

Now, I have read that the D2 "handles" everything except SACD through its HDMI 1.1 connection. Does "handle" mean that I will get the full benefit of DD+ and DTS-HD over eight channels and Dolby True HD over two? Maybe I don't need to wait..."

The Toshiba HD-XA1 is not able to handle any of the formats, SACD etc he is talking about except I think Dolby HD over 2 channels but not from the current default format Blu Ray.
Maybe he could explain and comment further
post #39324 of 42673
I need some advice, and I am sure it has been discussed here before.

I have my gripes about sound quality of my system, and everyone says that I have good components, and they are: Anthem: D2v and P5, Paradigm: S8's, S2's, C3 and Sub25, Oppo 95, and a Sony ES5400.

Anyway, I was at a AV system dealer in town to see if changing my D2v with a McIntosh MX151 may solve my situation. This dealer has McIntosh, and Meridian level of equipment.

After I told him what was going-on and what my problem was, he said that my weak link here was my cheap cables, and he strongly suggested replacing all my cables including power cables with Audio Quest cables. I am a big skeptic when it comes to expensive looking cables, and I do not believe that very expensive cables can necessarily improve sound quality.

I have gone through three cheaper cables myself; I started with monoprice, then someone said Mogami, and right now I am using all Blue Jeans interconnects, and power cords are what came with the equipment. I use 8 gage bi-wire for speakers and XLR, RCA's, and HDMI's for interconnects.

I am sure there are lot of people here who have gone through this, so before I shell-out couple of thousand of dollars, I just want to ask the experts here; what their recommendation is, and what their experience is with the effect of cables is in a system like mine.

Thanks.
post #39325 of 42673
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

I need some advice, and I am sure it has been discussed here before.
I have my gripes about sound quality of my system, and everyone says that I have good components, and they are: Anthem: D2v and P5, Paradigm: S8's, S2's, C3 and Sub25, Oppo 95, and a Sony ES5400.
Anyway, I was at a AV system dealer in town to see if changing my D2v with a McIntosh MX151 may solve my situation. This dealer has McIntosh, and Meridian level of equipment.
After I told him what was going-on and what my problem was, he said that my weak link here was my cheap cables, and he strongly suggested replacing all my cables including power cables with Audio Quest cables. I am a big skeptic when it comes to expensive looking cables, and I do not believe that very expensive cables can necessarily improve sound quality.
I have gone through three cheaper cables myself; I started with monoprice, then someone said Mogami, and right now I am using all Blue Jeans interconnects, and power cords are what came with the equipment. I use 8 gage bi-wire for speakers and XLR, RCA's, and HDMI's for interconnects.
I am sure there are lot of people here who have gone through this, so before I shell-out couple of thousand of dollars, I just want to ask the experts here; what their recommendation is, and what their experience is with the effect of cables is in a system like mine.
Thanks.

Glad you came back here before you "Bit the Bullet " for those $$$ cables and McIntosh gear.
I heard it at RMAF last month and was not impressed
You do have good equipment that should give you excellent audio.
Did the dealers system sound $$$ than yours ?
Exactly what is it that bothers you about the sound of your system ? Describe what kind of sound are you chasing ?
post #39326 of 42673
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Glad you came back here before you "Bit the Bullet " for those $$$ cables and McIntosh gear.
I heard it at RMAF last month and was not impressed
You do have good equipment that should give you excellent audio.
Did the dealers system sound $$$ than yours ?
Exactly what is it that bothers you about the sound of your system ? Describe what kind of sound are you chasing ?

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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

I need some advice, and I am sure it has been discussed here before.
I have my gripes about sound quality of my system, and everyone says that I have good components, and they are: Anthem: D2v and P5, Paradigm: S8's, S2's, C3 and Sub25, Oppo 95, and a Sony ES5400.
Anyway, I was at a AV system dealer in town to see if changing my D2v with a McIntosh MX151 may solve my situation. This dealer has McIntosh, and Meridian level of equipment.
After I told him what was going-on and what my problem was, he said that my weak link here was my cheap cables, and he strongly suggested replacing all my cables including power cables with Audio Quest cables. I am a big skeptic when it comes to expensive looking cables, and I do not believe that very expensive cables can necessarily improve sound quality.
I have gone through three cheaper cables myself; I started with monoprice, then someone said Mogami, and right now I am using all Blue Jeans interconnects, and power cords are what came with the equipment. I use 8 gage bi-wire for speakers and XLR, RCA's, and HDMI's for interconnects.
I am sure there are lot of people here who have gone through this, so before I shell-out couple of thousand of dollars, I just want to ask the experts here; what their recommendation is, and what their experience is with the effect of cables is in a system like mine.
Thanks.

It is hard to describe sound; but I will try. I lack clarity and the feel of a large sound stage, or someone once said as if you have thrown a towel on the speakers. Lack of enough bass is another big thing. Lot of my friends and family have heard the system, and no one ever said that it sounds good, not that I care, but just to tell you that its not just me. It sounds little open when I use Analog Audio outs form Oppo and go AnlgDIR at D2v, but bass does gets boomy when I do that, and I forego all the benefit of ARC.

And about the sound form the dealer equipment; as you would know it is a very different system in an acoustically treated room, so it did sound good, but very hard to compare and hard to say why, and what I mean by that is that it may be because of other things not because of the higher grade cables, or is it because of higher grade cables. That is the question I guess.

Thanks for your help.
Edited by paradigm25 - 12/20/12 at 6:47pm
post #39327 of 42673
^ Your problem is not likely cables, its your amp. Send it to me for an evaluation. wink.gif

Just kidding!

You have some of the best equipment available (my dream system, actually). Its most likely your room and/or speaker placement. Have you run ARC and can you post your measurements?
post #39328 of 42673
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

It is hard to describe sound; but I will try. I lack clarity and the feel of a large sound stage, or someone once said as if you have thrown a towel on the speakers. Lack of enough bass is another big thing. Lot of my friends and family have heard the system, and no one ever said that it sounds good, not that I care, but just to tell you that its not just me. It sounds little open when I use Analog Audio outs form Oppo and go AnlgDIR at D2v, but bass does gets boomy when I do that, and I forego all the benefit of ARC.
And about the sound form the dealer equipment; as you would know it is a very different system in an acoustically treated room, so it did sound good, but very hard to compare and hard to say why, and what I mean by that is that it may be because of other things not because of the higher grade cables, or is it because of higher grade cables. That is the question I guess.
Thanks for your help.

There is more than likely something wrong with your setup. I think part of the clue is here.

" It sounds little open when I use Analog Audio outs form Oppo and go AnlgDIR at D2v, but bass does gets boomy when I do that."

The bass should not get boomy. If anything it should be bass shy as with Analog direct there is NO sub. Your Paradigm Sub 25 is an excellent reproducer by the way.

If your Sony CD player is a SCD-XA5400ES then you have an excellent SACD player, as is the OPPO. SACD should be a good sounding audio source.

I know you were trying to get your TV sound to the Anthem and that is a horrible sound source. Worse than MP3.

Please post your latest ARC graphs and targets set up correctly with a Sound Level Meter as I cannot find any you posted previously.

To be continued
post #39329 of 42673
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

It is hard to describe sound; but I will try. I lack clarity and the feel of a large sound stage, or someone once said as if you have thrown a towel on the speakers. Lack of enough bass is another big thing. Lot of my friends and family have heard the system, and no one ever said that it sounds good, not that I care, but just to tell you that its not just me. It sounds little open when I use Analog Audio outs form Oppo and go AnlgDIR at D2v, but bass does gets boomy when I do that, and I forego all the benefit of ARC.
And about the sound form the dealer equipment; as you would know it is a very different system in an acoustically treated room, so it did sound good, but very hard to compare and hard to say why, and what I mean by that is that it may be because of other things not because of the higher grade cables, or is it because of higher grade cables. That is the question I guess.
Thanks for your help.

A couple of pictures of your room/setup would help too. Are your S8's close to the walls? That could help explain the boomy bass you're hearing.
post #39330 of 42673
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

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Originally Posted by jayray View Post

I'd just put up my feet and listen. Charts look very good.
John
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Originally Posted by xMEATx View Post

^^ What sub(s) do you use? Charts looks good for sure.

Thanks John!

Thanks xMEATx, I use one Paradigm Sub 15. Since applying ARC (after PBK, which was done some time ago) and raising the sub to the proper level, I can truly say it's a phenomenal difference from where it was. I'm getting articulate, musical bass, with enough impact that you can FEEL the kick drum on certain music types. I'm very happy! cool.gif

+1biggrin.gif!

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