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post #39451 of 42673
PBK is already installed. Are you saying the ARC mic file cannot be moved into PBK unless PBK is deleted then reinstalled?
TJG
post #39452 of 42673
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Are you reading carefully. PBK is different than ARC.once you run setup the mic file is not accessible..
Paradigm Perfect Bass Kit
Installation Instructions:
1) Extract contents of zip download to the Desktop. The setup program will be in a Desktop folder called "pbk_cd".
2) If you are installing PBK for the first time be sure to copy the serialized file (XXXXXXXParadigm.cal, where XXXXXXX is the
serial number of your microphone) to the pbk_cd folder before clicking on setup.exe.

3) Run 'Setup.exe' (from the unzipped folder on your desktop) and follow the instructions
4) Once the installation has completed successfully you can delete the folder 'pbk_cd'

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Originally Posted by TJG55 View Post

PBK is already installed. Are you saying the ARC mic file cannot be moved into PBK unless PBK is deleted then reinstalled?
TJG

Exactly what I see they are saying. I checked my own PBK file and everything is inside the executable file (.exe ). Not the same as ARC where the mic file is movable.
So, Here is the link to the Zip file for PBK 2.01
Follow the instructions above putting the mic file into the pgk_cd folder and then run Setup.exe
post #39453 of 42673
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Originally Posted by TJG55 View Post

PBK is already installed. Are you saying the ARC mic file cannot be moved into PBK unless PBK is deleted then reinstalled?
TJG

Yes. I would delete the old perfect Bass Kit.exe file and start over if you are using a different microphone
post #39454 of 42673
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

LIke the Nike commercial says  ..."Just do it!". Really, Anthem has increased the reliability of its FW update process a whole lot. I've had my D2v bricked during this process twice. Once, i had to ship it back to Canada from Cali and the 2nd time, they sent me a programming kit where i had to disassemble the D2v and attach a programming cable to an Atmel micro-controller inside the D2v. Boy...that was fun!

Did the firmware update to 3.09c... all is good!
post #39455 of 42673
I know how to rock with this box .... I am willing to transition to an alt source.;=} All the best for the new year. I really need to=his to OP !

I mean it bang bang.

Regards
post #39456 of 42673
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Originally Posted by Shayne2 View Post

I know how to rock with this box .... I am willing to transition to an alt source.;=} All the best for the new year. I really need to=his to OP !
I mean it bang bang.
Regards

One more time, in English. rolleyes.gif
post #39457 of 42673

Just watched "Amistad" on the TCM movie channel. The Anthem said the input sound is mono and only from the center speaker. No L,R & surrounds!

The reported output configuration was Center, Sub (as i have 2.1 music configuration mode). This is strange to me. Anyone care to explanation if my D2v was functioning correctly?

post #39458 of 42673
Quote:
Originally Posted by TJG55 View Post

PBK is already installed. Are you saying the ARC mic file cannot be moved into PBK unless PBK is deleted then reinstalled?
TJG

Hi TJG55,
I may be getting this wrong, but I think you want to use your ARC microphone in order to run PBK with your Paradigm sub - but you don't actually have the PBK kit?
In this case you need to rename the xxxxxxAnthem.cal file from your ARC CD to read xxxxxxParadigm.cal, and then copy/paste it into the PBK installation directory (where xxxxxx is the microphone serial number).

But, be aware that the ARC and PBK microphones are NOT the same. I have one of each - the ARC mic is significantly lighter than the PBK mic, and the mic element cover is slightly different. Also the ARC mic correction file is over twice the size of the PBK one, as it obviously contains correction data for the whole frequency spectrum, whereas the the PBK version probably covers a more limited band. With all that said - I would still run ARC on top of PBK, as many others here do, and in the absence of the proper kit I would do the same as you.
Hope this helps, regards Mike.
post #39459 of 42673
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Originally Posted by mkaye View Post

additional info...
after disconnecting every cable, including hdmi to pj, rs232 from crestron processor - noise went away
if I reconnect any cable that touches my crestron gear the noise returns (this includes rs232 to pj and then returning on hdmi cable)
if I disconnect the power to the processor (mc3 - 24vac) the noise is gone
the only connections to the system are the rs232 to the pj and a cresnet (rs485) to my 8x8 audioswitcher (which has rca connections to the D2v)
I have tried grounding the screw on the back to my monster power conditioner - no change
when the crestron processor reboots I can hear the noise in the speakers change as it boots until it is fully up and the noise is constant
not sure how to resolve this 1?

Do you hear the warbling noise in the sub too?
Try plugging the Crestron or Parasound amp into a different outlet.

My sub make a warbling sound when connected to the Anthem pre-amp but only if the Anthem power-amp is on the same power bar as the pre! Most bizarre, but all 3 of these components are only 2-prongers, which might have something to do with it.
Edited by AVfile - 1/2/13 at 1:58pm
post #39460 of 42673
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Just watched "Amistad" on the TCM movie channel. The Anthem said the input sound is mono and only from the center speaker. No L,R & surrounds!
The reported output configuration was Center, Sub (as i have 2.1 music configuration mode). This is strange to me. Anyone care to explanation if my D2v was functioning correctly?

I no longer trust the Anthem to report the audio mode correctly. Sometimes the audio part of the display is BLANK, and I have never seen this before. When I press the MODE button on the remote now it says NO AUDIO INPUT for 2-CHANNEL STEREO even though there is audio of at least 2 or more channels. I'm at v3.09c
post #39461 of 42673
Can someone help me figure out why my ARC charts keep dropping below 75db?

You can see from my previous posts that I've had the tone set properly using Bob's list and checked it with a SPL meter for 75db. With the test tone of +3THX is where my speakers have always had a response chart showing 75db. I ran three separate ARC reads going from 0 to +3 to +6 and all the charts show the response barely passing 70db. I gave up after the third one and went back to +3THX.

Is it microphone or some other issue? More importantly, does it matter?

I've had consistent +75db since I got the ARC between +0 and +3 this is a new issue for me.

Attached +3THX charts, 4th run of the day.



post #39462 of 42673
Need some advice from the ARC guys...

My friend has an MRX500 with Paradigm speakers (3 x Studio 60, 4 x ADP590, Sub-12) and feels that the bass is inadequate and doesn't go low enough on most movies. He is listending to recent blu-rays with 5-star audio reviews such as Expendables 2. The room is custom built in a basement with very solid walls. Looking at his ARC charts the response looks good to me. I suggested raising room gain but it is already 3.94. He is tempted to turn the sub up but this doesn't fix all movies and makes some movies like Nowlan's Inception too boomy.

ARC_TARGETS.png 60k .png file

ARC_5000_1.png 90k .png file

ARC_5000_2.png 91k .png file

It is difficult to move the speakers because the wires were custom built and there is no slack. The sub was moved from the corner (too boomy) to front left beside the center speaker. He is wondering if he needs a bigger sub or another sub or if it's just placement. I'm stumped because the charts look good to me.

I'm also wondering if the MRX measures fine by ARC but is running out of steam when the movies get loud. He might invest in a power-amp some day.
post #39463 of 42673
^ Check his subwoofer polarity and phase. He may be losing bass due to cancellation vs. the main speakers through the Crossover octave of frequencies.

Check that he's not doing something silly like playing movies with Secondary Audio Mixing enabled -- which causes the lossy compatibility track to be used in lieu of the lossless track he thinks he is playing (typically authored with less bass). He'll have the same problem if he's using Optical/Coax Digital cabling for audio instead of HDMI.

Check that he has Dynamic Range Control (may be called different things) turned off in whichever device is decoding the Blu-ray Bitstreams. (Compare Bitstream vs. LPCM input.)
--Bob
post #39464 of 42673
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Need some advice from the ARC guys...
My friend has an MRX500 with Paradigm speakers (3 x Studio 60, 4 x ADP590, Sub-12) and feels that the bass is inadequate and doesn't go low enough on most movies. He is listending to recent blu-rays with 5-star audio reviews such as Expendables 2. The room is custom built in a basement with very solid walls. Looking at his ARC charts the response looks good to me. I suggested raising room gain but it is already 3.94. He is tempted to turn the sub up but this doesn't fix all movies and makes some movies like Nowlan's Inception too boomy.


ARC_TARGETS.png 60k .png file
ARC_5000_1.png 90k .png file
ARC_5000_2.png 91k .png file
It is difficult to move the speakers because the wires were custom built and there is no slack. The sub was moved from the corner (too boomy) to front left beside the center speaker. He is wondering if he needs a bigger sub or another sub or if it's just placement. I'm stumped because the charts look good to me.
I'm also wondering if the MRX measures fine by ARC but is running out of steam when the movies get loud. He might invest in a power-amp some day.

Just a suggestion, but make sure the MRX is running the latest firmware, v50.25, as the was an issue with an earlier version that gave correct ARC graphs, but did not infact apply any correct to the Sub or Surround channels, only Front Left & Right - on "some units".
Regards, Mike.
post #39465 of 42673
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Need some advice from the ARC guys...

My friend has an MRX500 with Paradigm speakers (3 x Studio 60, 4 x ADP590, Sub-12) and feels that the bass is inadequate and doesn't go low enough on most movies. He is listending to recent blu-rays with 5-star audio reviews such as Expendables 2. The room is custom built in a basement with very solid walls. Looking at his ARC charts the response looks good to me. I suggested raising room gain but it is already 3.94. He is tempted to turn the sub up but this doesn't fix all movies and makes some movies like Nowlan's Inception too boomy.

ARC_TARGETS.png 60k .png file

ARC_5000_1.png 90k .png file

ARC_5000_2.png 91k .png file

It is difficult to move the speakers because the wires were custom built and there is no slack. The sub was moved from the corner (too boomy) to front left beside the center speaker. He is wondering if he needs a bigger sub or another sub or if it's just placement. I'm stumped because the charts look good to me.

I'm also wondering if the MRX measures fine by ARC but is running out of steam when the movies get loud. He might invest in a power-amp some day.

 

He can also set the sub to FLAT in the advanced settings menu of the target screen. This should extend the upper bandwidth of the subwoofer to include frequencies up to 120Hz which are used by movies for LFE. Mains, even though have a low extension, simply can't do justice to the LFE that movies have.

 

It (FLAT setting) will flatten the sub frequency response from 20Hz to its measured 3dB bandwidth (up to 120Hz) ensuring equal reproduction of those frequencies by the sub. It will also NOT correct frequencies below 20Hz so any LFE belwo 20Hz will go unfiltered as intended by the movie producer.

No worries as the Sub12 can handle any infrasonics it may encounter...

post #39466 of 42673
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Do you hear the warbling noise in the sub too?
Try plugging the Crestron or Parasound amp into a different outlet.
My sub make a warbling sound when connected to the Anthem pre-amp but only if the Anthem power-amp is on the same power bar as the pre! Most bizarre, but all 3 of these components are only 2-prongers, which might have something to do with it.

no, I can't hear the sub
the fluttering noise comes out of the midrange/tweeter
the amp was quiet by itself & when connected to the bare preamp
I didn't test to see if I just had the amp & connected a ground from my crestron system (I assumed the noise was generated by the D2v, but that may not be true
the crestron gear is powered by a 24dc brick, so no ground connection there

mark
post #39467 of 42673
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Originally Posted by airboyd View Post

Can someone help me figure out why my ARC charts keep dropping below 75db?
You can see from my previous posts that I've had the tone set properly using Bob's list and checked it with a SPL meter for 75db. With the test tone of +3THX is where my speakers have always had a response chart showing 75db. I ran three separate ARC reads going from 0 to +3 to +6 and all the charts show the response barely passing 70db. I gave up after the third one and went back to +3THX.
Is it microphone or some other issue? More importantly, does it matter?
I've had consistent +75db since I got the ARC between +0 and +3 this is a new issue for me.
Attached +3THX charts, 4th run of the day.


My charts started reading 65 dbs all of a sudden about a year ago and I was told it is some sort of glitch but nothing to worry about.
post #39468 of 42673
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Originally Posted by mkaye View Post

no, I can't hear the sub
the fluttering noise comes out of the midrange/tweeter
the amp was quiet by itself & when connected to the bare preamp
I didn't test to see if I just had the amp & connected a ground from my crestron system (I assumed the noise was generated by the D2v, but that may not be true
the crestron gear is powered by a 24dc brick, so no ground connection there
mark

the amp is the source of the noise (Parasound 1205a)
it is quiet by itself, but as soon as I ground 1 of the RCA shields to the crestron proc the noise is there
tried plugging the amp into another plug (completely different circuit) - noise changed slightly, but was still there

anyone think that getting an amp with balanced connectors may help?

mark
post #39469 of 42673
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Originally Posted by mkaye View Post

the amp is the source of the noise (Parasound 1205a)
it is quiet by itself, but as soon as I ground 1 of the RCA shields to the crestron proc the noise is there
tried plugging the amp into another plug (completely different circuit) - noise changed slightly, but was still there
anyone think that getting an amp with balanced connectors may help?
mark

Are you sure its not the amp amplifying the hum from the Crestron ?
Are the AC plugs from the Crestron and the amp 3 terminal ?
If so try a cheater plug
post #39470 of 42673
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Are you sure its not the amp amplifying the hum from the Crestron ?
Are the AC plugs from the Crestron and the amp 3 terminal ?
If so try a cheater plug

Crestron uses a DC Brick and never cause hum.

I use multiple Crestron Systems.
post #39471 of 42673
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

Crestron uses a DC Brick and never cause hum.
I use multiple Crestron Systems.
correct (I am a Crestron CSP, so I work with these all the time)
this is new processor i.e.MC3 which is a mini-pc running embedded windows (replaced a 2-series a year ago, guess I never noticed the noise)
as it boots up I can hear the noise in the speaker change (everything disconnected from the amp except a ground connected from 1 rca to the ground screw on the MC3)
I may have to open it up & make sure everything is kosher inside

mark
post #39472 of 42673
So I finally got some time over Christmas to update the firmware in my D2V from 2. something or another to 3.09, and ARC to 3.02.

The process went pretty smoothly. I then remeasured my room and tried a couple of settings for the high frequency cutoff. 5K sounds a bit dull to me so I'm using 12K right now, which I think sounds better but isn't harsh. I also tried 15K but that sounded a bit harsh There don't seem to be any resonances or suckouts that ARC can't deal with so the results look pretty good.

The thing that I have a question about is the room gain. Since the room this is in opens into another room I'm getting a number of 0.6. I read somewhere that a gain of 2-4 is normal and what movies are typically mixed for. My system also sounds a bit thin in the upper bass.

What is the best way to deal with this?
Edited by ehlarson - 1/3/13 at 8:08am
post #39473 of 42673
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Originally Posted by mkaye View Post

correct (I am a Crestron CSP, so I work with these all the time)
this is new processor i.e.MC3 which is a mini-pc running embedded windows (replaced a 2-series a year ago, guess I never noticed the noise)
as it boots up I can hear the noise in the speaker change (everything disconnected from the amp except a ground connected from 1 rca to the ground screw on the MC3)
I may have to open it up & make sure everything is kosher inside
mark

SOLVED!!
I had tried plugging the amp into another circuit & that didn't solve the problem
I plugged the MC3 into another circuit & the noise is gone!!
definitely not your typical ground problem...

mark
post #39474 of 42673
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Originally Posted by mkaye View Post

SOLVED!!
I had tried plugging the amp into another circuit & that didn't solve the problem
I plugged the MC3 into another circuit & the noise is gone!!
definitely not your typical ground problem...
mark

DAMM those Crestron with a PC inside smile.gif

I only use CP2e and Similar Crestron Gear.
post #39475 of 42673
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

DAMM those Crestron with a PC inside smile.gif
I only use CP2e and Similar Crestron Gear.

I have to assume that the 24VDC brick is introducing noise back onto the A/C lines that the monster box isn't removing
I have the same P/S at my daughters - i'll swap the next time I am there to see if it's the brick or a more general issue

I thank AVfile for the hint about plugging the amp & Crestron into another circuit

mark
post #39476 of 42673
Wondering if the experts here could have a look at my charts as well. Not sure what the others used to screen-capture theirs, so please let me know if I need to do better...(I wish the ARC app had "Print" or "Save as..." functionality)

I thought they looked pretty good - the "calculated" doesn't seem to vary much from +/- 1 for almost the entire range. But some of the other charts I've looked at seem flatter than mine. I want to be sure I'm not misinterpreting anything.

I did the last run with 7 mic positions rather than 5, plus I was very precise in my placements (used a tape measure), whereas I kind of eyeballed it before. From my dead-center position 1 where I always sit, about 12' from the front speakers, 2nd position to the right about 26", which is where my significant other sits, then 26" to the left. Then I went forward exactly 4', but out to the side more, just to the outsides of the L-R speakers, same distance for each side. Then exactly another 4' forward for the last two positions. I also made sure to alternate positions L-R of center.

I didn't know if taking one or two more center positions (i.e., between my other two L-R positions) was helpful or advisible.

I will say that it sounds a LOT better to me than my first couple of runs. smile.gif

If it matters, this is with an AVM50 (with factory ARC), amp is B&K Reference 200.7, speakers are all Paradigm: Mains Studio 100, Center CC570, Surrounds ADP470, Sub SVS PB10-ISD

Thanks very much for any feedback.

- Mark



post #39477 of 42673
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Originally Posted by chileboy View Post

Wondering if the experts here could have a look at my charts as well. Not sure what the others used to screen-capture theirs, so please let me know if I need to do better...(I wish the ARC app had "Print" or "Save as..." functionality)
I thought they looked pretty good - the "calculated" doesn't seem to vary much from +/- 1 for almost the entire range. But some of the other charts I've looked at seem flatter than mine. I want to be sure I'm not misinterpreting anything.
I did the last run with 7 mic positions rather than 5, plus I was very precise in my placements (used a tape measure), whereas I kind of eyeballed it before. From my dead-center position 1 where I always sit, about 12' from the front speakers, 2nd position to the right about 26", which is where my significant other sits, then 26" to the left. Then I went forward exactly 4', but out to the side more, just to the outsides of the L-R speakers, same distance for each side. Then exactly another 4' forward for the last two positions. I also made sure to alternate positions L-R of center.
I didn't know if taking one or two more center positions (i.e., between my other two L-R positions) was helpful or advisible.
I will say that it sounds a LOT better to me than my first couple of runs. smile.gif
If it matters, this is with an AVM50 (with factory ARC), amp is B&K Reference 200.7, speakers are all Paradigm: Mains Studio 100, Center CC570, Surrounds ADP470, Sub SVS PB10-ISD
Thanks very much for any feedback.
- Mark


No worries. Your charts look very good. If it sounds as good as your charts look, then you are in very good shape.
post #39478 of 42673

Only thing I not is your sub takes a dive but perhaps its a limitation of your sub?

Quote:
Originally Posted by chileboy View Post

Wondering if the experts here could have a look at my charts as well. Not sure what the others used to screen-capture theirs, so please let me know if I need to do better...(I wish the ARC app had "Print" or "Save as..." functionality)
I thought they looked pretty good - the "calculated" doesn't seem to vary much from +/- 1 for almost the entire range. But some of the other charts I've looked at seem flatter than mine. I want to be sure I'm not misinterpreting anything.
I did the last run with 7 mic positions rather than 5, plus I was very precise in my placements (used a tape measure), whereas I kind of eyeballed it before. From my dead-center position 1 where I always sit, about 12' from the front speakers, 2nd position to the right about 26", which is where my significant other sits, then 26" to the left. Then I went forward exactly 4', but out to the side more, just to the outsides of the L-R speakers, same distance for each side. Then exactly another 4' forward for the last two positions. I also made sure to alternate positions L-R of center.
I didn't know if taking one or two more center positions (i.e., between my other two L-R positions) was helpful or advisible.
I will say that it sounds a LOT better to me than my first couple of runs. smile.gif
If it matters, this is with an AVM50 (with factory ARC), amp is B&K Reference 200.7, speakers are all Paradigm: Mains Studio 100, Center CC570, Surrounds ADP470, Sub SVS PB10-ISD
Thanks very much for any feedback.
- Mark


post #39479 of 42673
Quote:
Originally Posted by chileboy View Post

Wondering if the experts here could have a look at my charts as well. Not sure what the others used to screen-capture theirs, so please let me know if I need to do better...(I wish the ARC app had "Print" or "Save as..." functionality)
I thought they looked pretty good - the "calculated" doesn't seem to vary much from +/- 1 for almost the entire range. But some of the other charts I've looked at seem flatter than mine. I want to be sure I'm not misinterpreting anything.
I did the last run with 7 mic positions rather than 5, plus I was very precise in my placements (used a tape measure), whereas I kind of eyeballed it before. From my dead-center position 1 where I always sit, about 12' from the front speakers, 2nd position to the right about 26", which is where my significant other sits, then 26" to the left. Then I went forward exactly 4', but out to the side more, just to the outsides of the L-R speakers, same distance for each side. Then exactly another 4' forward for the last two positions. I also made sure to alternate positions L-R of center.
I didn't know if taking one or two more center positions (i.e., between my other two L-R positions) was helpful or advisible.
I will say that it sounds a LOT better to me than my first couple of runs. smile.gif
If it matters, this is with an AVM50 (with factory ARC), amp is B&K Reference 200.7, speakers are all Paradigm: Mains Studio 100, Center CC570, Surrounds ADP470, Sub SVS PB10-ISD
Thanks very much for any feedback.
- Mark



Looks like your levels are too low also... about 68db, when they should be about 75db... I believe that is why your ARC mic picked up so much high frequency "noise" on your sub chart. Otherwise, everything looks fine. If your sub is capable, try setting it to "flat" in the targets window. This will flatten the curve down to 20hz. But be careful, if your sub is not capable of reproducing frequencies that low, you may overload it and damage the sub.
post #39480 of 42673
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Looks like your levels are too low also... about 68db, when they should be about 75db... I believe that is why your ARC mic picked up so much high frequency "noise" on your sub chart. Otherwise, everything looks fine. If your sub is capable, try setting it to "flat" in the targets window. This will flatten the curve down to 20hz. But be careful, if your sub is not capable of reproducing frequencies that low, you may overload it and damage the sub.

Flat is for subs that can play flat to 20Hz. The drop in that sub chart indicates it will not be able to play below 20Hz at high volume so it might be too much for this sub to handle Flat.
John
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