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post #39571 of 40762
1/7/13 at 8:07am
Good morning, everyone. Making my first post on AVS forum. I recently purchased a lightly used Anthem AVM50v from an out of state seller on Audiogon. Everything was going fine till I tried downloading the ARC microphone installation disc. My laptop saw the UDF files and installation went smoothly - until it was interrupted downloading the setup.exe and gave me the following error message:

"SOURCE FILE NOT FOUND
F:/AnthemRoomCorrection.exe.manifest
Verify that the file exists and that you can access it"

The disc seemed clean but wiped it down with a microfiber cloth just in case - with no changes in results. Also tried downloading it onto my desktop with Windows Vista and the same error message came up. Waiting to hear from the seller. Any idea what might be causing this - or how I may get this rectified?

Thanks in advance,
Walt
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post #39572 of 40762
1/7/13 at 8:34am
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Stew, if you look at Boyce's screen shot here you will see there is an adjustment line for CD DVD1/2/3 etc. The list goes by logical INPUT not physical connection. Any number of these inputs could have ANALOG IN assigned to XLR as you said, therefore the -6dB needs to be applied accordingly is all Bob's saying.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/678260/anthem-d2-d2v-avm50-avm50v-arc1-tweaking-guide/39480#post_22788431

That I understand. What I am saying is only 1 audio source could and should have the XLR -6db attenuation applied. Other sources could be Analog-DIR but they
would have to be single ended (RCA).
Now what I am curious about is this.
Anthem has always said using Analog-DIR is pass through and only the Master volume control is in the circuit when Analog-DIR is selected.
Then how do they adjust the volume of each source ?
Hopefully, not digitally as you would lose resolution bits. And if analog. How ? Resistor ladders, potentiometer ?
Is there then two possible sources of audio distortion because there are
two volume adjustments ?
I do know that if your analog source overdrives the circuit the analog input level
adjustment does not correct the over driven circuit so it appears Anthem is
doing something with the analog they have not made public
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post #39573 of 40762
1/7/13 at 8:57am
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Originally Posted by Walt4Audio View Post

Good morning, everyone. Making my first post on AVS forum. I recently purchased a lightly used Anthem AVM50v from an out of state seller on Audiogon. Everything was going fine till I tried downloading the ARC microphone installation disc. My laptop saw the UDF files and installation went smoothly - until it was interrupted downloading the setup.exe and gave me the following error message:
"SOURCE FILE NOT FOUND
F:/AnthemRoomCorrection.exe.manifest
Verify that the file exists and that you can access it"
The disc seemed clean but wiped it down with a microfiber cloth just in case - with no changes in results. Also tried downloading it onto my desktop with Windows Vista and the same error message came up. Waiting to hear from the seller. Any idea what might be causing this - or how I may get this rectified?
Thanks in advance,
Walt

Follow the instructions exactly as in the manual

In case its a CD disk problem you can download the latest ARC 3.02 HERE

Make sure you are using only the Keyspan Model USA 19HS Serial to USB adapter

After you run setup you should have the following files in a Program Files/Anthem/Anthem Room Correction folder
The numbers on the .cal and .file should be your unit serial number and the microphone serial number. The image has mine


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1/7/13 at 9:40am
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Stew, if you look at Boyce's screen shot here you will see there is an adjustment line for CD DVD1/2/3 etc. The list goes by logical INPUT not physical connection. Any number of these inputs could have ANALOG IN assigned to XLR as you said, therefore the -6dB needs to be applied accordingly is all Bob's saying.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/678260/anthem-d2-d2v-avm50-avm50v-arc1-tweaking-guide/39480#post_22788431

Thanks all for the help. I have actually adjusted every input it the set up menu to -6dB as a precaution Until i cabin did into it a little more. I am at CES this week and hope to spend some time at the Anthem suite where I'll be asking the same questions.
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post #39575 of 40762
1/7/13 at 9:45am
Have now tried to use my squeezebox - no problem. Oppo playing cd with hdmi connection , in the same input A's i use for movie - no problem
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post #39576 of 40762
1/7/13 at 9:56am
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Originally Posted by Walt4Audio View Post

Good morning, everyone. Making my first post on AVS forum. I recently purchased a lightly used Anthem AVM50v from an out of state seller on Audiogon. Everything was going fine till I tried downloading the ARC microphone installation disc. My laptop saw the UDF files and installation went smoothly - until it was interrupted downloading the setup.exe and gave me the following error message:
"SOURCE FILE NOT FOUND
F:/AnthemRoomCorrection.exe.manifest
Verify that the file exists and that you can access it"
The disc seemed clean but wiped it down with a microfiber cloth just in case - with no changes in results. Also tried downloading it onto my desktop with Windows Vista and the same error message came up. Waiting to hear from the seller. Any idea what might be causing this - or how I may get this rectified?
Thanks in advance,
Walt

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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Follow the instructions exactly as in the manual
In case its a CD disk problem you can download the latest ARC 3.02 HERE


I had the same problem when trying to install from the disc included with my ARC kit. Downloading from the link provided above worked for me...
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post #39577 of 40762
1/7/13 at 10:42am
Thank you for your quick replies, Thestewman and Cvinfig. It worked! The trouble was the original installation disc was indeed missing the exe.manifest file. After downloading and unzipping the arc_cd_v3.0.2, followed directions in the readme file. Dragged and copied the 4 files from my installation disc not found onto the arc_cd_v3.0.2, then was able to execute setup.exe. Worked like a charm.

Thanks again for the great advice. smile.gif

Walt
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post #39578 of 40762
1/7/13 at 12:02pm
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Stew, if you look at Boyce's screen shot here you will see there is an adjustment line for CD DVD1/2/3 etc. The list goes by logical INPUT not physical connection. Any number of these inputs could have ANALOG IN assigned to XLR as you said, therefore the -6dB needs to be applied accordingly is all Bob's saying.
http://www.avsforum.com/t/678260/anthem-d2-d2v-avm50-avm50v-arc1-tweaking-guide/39480#post_22788431

That I understand. What I am saying is only 1 audio source could and should have the XLR -6db attenuation applied. Other sources could be Analog-DIR but they
would have to be single ended (RCA).
Now what I am curious about is this.
Anthem has always said using Analog-DIR is pass through and only the Master volume control is in the circuit when Analog-DIR is selected.
Then how do they adjust the volume of each source ?
Hopefully, not digitally as you would lose resolution bits. And if analog. How ? Resistor ladders, potentiometer ?
Is there then two possible sources of audio distortion because there are
two volume adjustments ?
I do know that if your analog source overdrives the circuit the analog input level
adjustment does not correct the over driven circuit so it appears Anthem is
doing something with the analog they have not made public

 

Stew:

 

I got a partial answer to your question from Piero this morning when he said Analog-DIR only goes through the volume control, which is really a programmable potentiometer, probably with eeprom inside it to save the default boot-up setting. It's resistance is controlled digitally without digitizing the analog signal if that makes sense. Many companies make them but one of the best known audiophile one is the CS3310 by Cirrus Semiconductor http://www.cirrus.com/en/pubs/proDatasheet/CS3310_F1.pdf

 

I'm sure others exist but only know of this one.

 

EDIT ... found CS3308 and CS3318 as well. And this tells me that the volume control only affects the analog outputs and not inputs. Thats why it seems to be irrelevant from the clipping problem shown in the level indicator which i presume shows volume levels at the analog inputs only.

 

- David


Edited by dmusoke - 1/7/13 at 1:33pm
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post #39579 of 40762
1/7/13 at 12:48pm
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Bob
For some reason I just can not get my head around what you are saying.
if there is only one pair of XLR cables, coming from a single audio component, connected to the single rear input pair available, how can there be multiple sources ?
I understand you are able to assign multiple source buttons to the XLR pair but it still only feeds one audio signal (source).

Stew, if you look at Boyce's screen shot here you will see there is an adjustment line for CD DVD1/2/3 etc. The list goes by logical INPUT not physical connection. Any number of these inputs could have ANALOG IN assigned to XLR as you said, therefore the -6dB needs to be applied accordingly is all Bob's saying.

http://www.avsforum.com/t/678260/anthem-d2-d2v-avm50-avm50v-arc1-tweaking-guide/39480#post_22788431

AVFILE, correct. The point being, if you've assigned the 2-Ch Balanced (XLR) as you Analog input jacks for, say, the DVD1 "Source", but then mistakenly make the -6dB adjustment only on the 2-CH line in Setup > Analog Input Levels, that adjustment won't do what you think it is doing. It applies only when you select the 2-CH Source for viewing, not the DVD1 Source.

THESTEWMAN, nomenclature is a problem for a setup as flexible as this. For the Anthems, I've been using Source to mean your choice of input source definition, e.g., DVD2. For the physical device that might be defined for use when viewing a given Source I've been using Source Device. Each Source gets it's video from a Source Device and possibly its audio from a different Source Device.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 1/7/13 at 12:55pm
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post #39580 of 40762
1/7/13 at 12:57pm
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Originally Posted by Walt4Audio View Post

Good morning, everyone. Making my first post on AVS forum. I recently purchased a lightly used Anthem AVM50v from an out of state seller on Audiogon. Everything was going fine till I tried downloading the ARC microphone installation disc. My laptop saw the UDF files and installation went smoothly - until it was interrupted downloading the setup.exe and gave me the following error message:

"SOURCE FILE NOT FOUND
F:/AnthemRoomCorrection.exe.manifest
Verify that the file exists and that you can access it"

The disc seemed clean but wiped it down with a microfiber cloth just in case - with no changes in results. Also tried downloading it onto my desktop with Windows Vista and the same error message came up. Waiting to hear from the seller. Any idea what might be causing this - or how I may get this rectified?

Thanks in advance,
Walt

At some point in the past, Anthem shipped some ARC kits with an install disc that was missing one of the pieces. Evidently you got one of those.

As you've discovered, you can do the install with the version downloaded from the Anthem site. Just make sure you copy over the two files (ARC license and ARC mic calibration file) from the original, faulty, install CD as well.
--Bob
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post #39581 of 40762
1/7/13 at 1:01pm
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

That I understand. What I am saying is only 1 audio source could and should have the XLR -6db attenuation applied. Other sources could be Analog-DIR but they
would have to be single ended (RCA).

. . . .

What you are missing is that the same Analog Input Level adjustment might not be desirable for each Source that happens to be set up to get its Analog audio from a single Source Device.

The way the Analog Input Level menu is set up, you get to specify the adjustment on a per-Source definition basis, even if multiple Sources are sharing the same Analog input Source Device.
--Bob
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post #39582 of 40762
1/7/13 at 1:10pm
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

Have now tried to use my squeezebox - no problem. Oppo playing cd with hdmi connection , in the same input A's i use for movie - no problem

Please try to take a little more time when you post. Your posts are so cryptic it is hard to follow you. For example, what the heck is an Input A?

What you describe sounds like a problem with the "temporary" volume trim adjustments when playing multi-channel LPCM. If I understand this latest cryptic post, the problem is not happening when playing stereo LPCM

To test this, find a move with a STEREO Bitstream track and compare Bitstream vs. LPCM.

Now if this is what is happening there are two possible explanations. The most likely is that you have "temporary" volume trim adjustments set for multi-channel LPCM which you have forgotten about.

To reset ALL of the temporary volume trims at once, go into Setup > Save and Restore Settings and:

1) Save User Settings
2) Reload Factory Defaults -- if you lose video, continue via the Front Panel display
3) Reload Saved User Settings

Since "temporary" settings are not saved, this resets all of them. PLEASE TRY THIS FIRST AND REPORT WHETHER IT FIXES YOUR PROBLEM.

The next possible problem is that there is something screwed up in the memory for the temporary settings. This could be due to corrupted Setup settings.

To test this, Save User Settings (so you can recover more easily). Reload Factory Defaults, and now MANUALLY RE-ENTER just the bare minimum settings need to play from the player and test LPCM vs. Bitstream volume.

If THIS fixes the problem, then Manually re-enter the REST of your settings -- a chore to be sure, but still the right thing to do -- and you should be good to go.
--Bob
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post #39583 of 40762
1/7/13 at 4:34pm
Looking at this forum I see a lot on ARC, some HDMI, and some video issues but mostly audio issues. Has anyone really spend much time tweaking the video via the D2v? I look at the LiveVideoSettingsEditor and there seems to be about the same controls as a TV or blu-ray player these days except for an area for custom GAMMA correction. Who is using the D2v video settings to optimize pictures? Does anyone calibrate their TV through the D2v? Seem like I paid a lot of money for it but I don't really us it. I would like to know what am I missing.
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post #39584 of 40762
1/7/13 at 4:48pm
^ I use the Custom Cropping and Scaling features (see the tutorial post links collected in the first post of this thread for examples). Others are using the Custom Gamma correction you mentioned, although the reality is that such Gamma correction stuff is BEST done using adjustments inside the display, so it is only a boon for folks using displays/projectors that can't be corrected properly even in their Service menus.

The Custom Resolution stuff is less useful today since almost everyone is using a 1080p display. It was vitally important in the past for folks who wanted to get "native" resolution into, say a 768p display.

The rest of the video features primarily deal with converting whatever might be best for each Source to send out to the best video output from the display's point of view. The value there depends on how many quirky source devices you use. Of course if you have such devices, it is a boon.
--Bob
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post #39585 of 40762
1/7/13 at 9:02pm
Hi Steven

I am one of those that uses both LiveVideoSettingEditor and CustomResolutionManager because I have a radical display (CRT projector). I actually pushed for Anthem to get these tools working (they were broken by a firmware update a couple years ago) since the ability to program custom resolution and timings was an important buying decision feature for me.

As Bob pointed out, the video calibration aspect only came into play once I had reached the limit of all adjustments I could make in the display itself. I used the custom gamma curve editor to get a near ruler flat gamma and greyscale, but it has a very awkward interface so it was not a pleasant experience. It made a huge difference though, and glad I made the investments.

Stefan
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post #39586 of 40762
1/7/13 at 9:15pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Tone Controls ENABLED vs. DISABLED choice is a "temporary" setting. That means it gets reset to Enabled every time your Reload Factory Defaults -- such as when doing a firmware install. "Temporary" settings are not saved in User or Installer Settings, so your Disabled choice doesn't get restored when you Load Saved User Settings AFTER the firmware install.
Just change it back to Disabled again and you are good to go until your next reset.
--Bob

I could be imagining it but I too think something changed here. I don't recall ever disabling the tone controls in the past and it used to always say Bypassed by default. However I just checked it for the first time since my last firmware update (3.09c) and it is suddenly Enabled!
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post #39587 of 40762
1/7/13 at 9:49pm

Earlier, i had asked if anyone knew the difference between Analog-Direct and ARC with Room EQ=OFF. As no one responded, i assumed most didn't know so i asked Anthem and he said the following:

 

Analog direct uses no DSP for the incoming signal, # of channels in = number of channels out, only the volume control is in between, no up sampling either ( in the case if a D2 ). Analog DSP with ARC off means up sampling, surround modes and other EQ is in the signal path, Bass Management takes on settings in the menu.

 

I then asked what the difference was between the latter(in bold) and ARC=ON and was told:

This is different because you will not have any of the correction filters (EQ) in effect. Only the cross over and level settings

 

So, ARC=OFF does all bass management functions, upsampling, engage surround modes BUT not the ARC correction filters.

 

This is huge for me since i can't seem to hear the difference with ARC ON & OFF(!), as the main change in sound from Analog-Direct was mainly due to the level settings, distance settings and xover selection points. Maybe its because the Panel of my MartinLogan Xstats (Spire) has an even frequency response from about 300Hz to 15kHz is the reason i don't hear much between the two  ARC modes.

 

Can anyone else tell the difference between ARC on/off using either Digital or Analog Sources?

 

- David

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post #39588 of 40762
1/7/13 at 10:16pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The Tone Controls ENABLED vs. DISABLED choice is a "temporary" setting. That means it gets reset to Enabled every time your Reload Factory Defaults -- such as when doing a firmware install. "Temporary" settings are not saved in User or Installer Settings, so your Disabled choice doesn't get restored when you Load Saved User Settings AFTER the firmware install.
Just change it back to Disabled again and you are good to go until your next reset.
--Bob

Hi Bob. How does one change the Tone Controls to disabled (mine says Enabled)? I went through the main menu and couldn't find it. Do you have to be playing something in order to make the change via the remote? Will this make any difference when using just HDMI not analog?
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post #39589 of 40762
1/7/13 at 10:17pm
DMUSOKE,
Whether you'll hear a difference depends upon how much correction ARC is doing and the nature of the content you are playing.

Turning ARC OFF for a Source also re-enables various settings in the menus that are bypassed while ARC is ON such as Room Response Filter, Center EQ, THX Ultra 2 Sub, Boundary Gain Compensation, and LFE Bypass.

In addition, the volume trim levels that ARC has Uploaded may no longer be ideal because the cuts and boosts ARC employs in the correction parameters are no longer in effect.

Most folks will hear the loss of ARC first as poorer transitions through the crossover frequencies.
--Bob
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1/7/13 at 10:18pm
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Hi Bob. How does one change the Tone Controls to disabled (mine says Enabled)? I went through the main menu and couldn't find it. Do you have to be playing something in order to make the change via the remote?

Use the "9" button on the remote.
--Bob
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1/7/13 at 10:19pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Use the "9" button on the remote.
--Bob

Ahh ok thank you. Just hit the "9" and now it's saying Bypassed. If just using HDMI changing it to disabled, will this make any difference to the sound while listening to BD's Bitstream?
Edited by SimonNo10 - 1/7/13 at 10:24pm
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1/7/13 at 10:33pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Please try to take a little more time when you post. Your posts are so cryptic it is hard to follow you. For example, what the heck is an Input A?
What you describe sounds like a problem with the "temporary" volume trim adjustments when playing multi-channel LPCM. If I understand this latest cryptic post, the problem is not happening when playing stereo LPCM
To test this, find a move with a STEREO Bitstream track and compare Bitstream vs. LPCM.
Now if this is what is happening there are two possible explanations. The most likely is that you have "temporary" volume trim adjustments set for multi-channel LPCM which you have forgotten about.
To reset ALL of the temporary volume trims at once, go into Setup > Save and Restore Settings and:
1) Save User Settings
2) Reload Factory Defaults -- if you lose video, continue via the Front Panel display
3) Reload Saved User Settings
Since "temporary" settings are not saved, this resets all of them. PLEASE TRY THIS FIRST AND REPORT WHETHER IT FIXES YOUR PROBLEM.
The next possible problem is that there is something screwed up in the memory for the temporary settings. This could be due to corrupted Setup settings.
To test this, Save User Settings (so you can recover more easily). Reload Factory Defaults, and now MANUALLY RE-ENTER just the bare minimum settings need to play from the player and test LPCM vs. Bitstream volume.
If THIS fixes the problem, then Manually re-enter the REST of your settings -- a chore to be sure, but still the right thing to do -- and you should be good to go.
--Bob

i will try to be more patient about my text.

i have downloaded 3.09f and install it , whitout any problems.

the same thing

but.....i have found the problem. A stupid thing realy...damn. the volume control on my Oppo player was turned down. I always use bitstream out of the player, and it seems that the volume control is not active when it is bitstream. but active when it is Multichannel PCM. How it is happen , i dont know. i am using a Harmony remote, and maby my daughter have make some øhhh - things. i dont know.
So the problem is solved - thank for you help.
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1/7/13 at 10:51pm
The volume control on the OPPO only applies to its ANALOG outputs.

So I guess you were using multi-channel ANALOG all this time instead of HDMI LPCM?

OK. Anyway, glad it is fixed.
--Bob
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1/8/13 at 12:25am
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Earlier, i had asked if anyone knew the difference between Analog-Direct and ARC with Room EQ=OFF. As no one responded, i assumed most didn't know so i asked Anthem and he said the following:

Analog direct uses no DSP for the incoming signal, # of channels in = number of channels out, only the volume control is in between, no up sampling either ( in the case if a D2 ). Analog DSP with ARC off means up sampling, surround modes and other EQ is in the signal path, Bass Management takes on settings in the menu.

I then asked what the difference was between the latter(in bold) and ARC=ON and was told:
This is different because you will not have any of the correction filters (EQ) in effect. Only the cross over and level settings

So, ARC=OFF does all bass management functions, upsampling, engage surround modes BUT not the ARC correction filters.

This is huge for me since i can't seem to hear the difference with ARC ON & OFF(!), as the main change in sound from Analog-Direct was mainly due to the level settings, distance settings and xover selection points. Maybe its because the Panel of my MartinLogan Xstats (Spire) has an even frequency response from about 300Hz to 15kHz is the reason i don't hear much between the two  ARC modes.

Can anyone else tell the difference between ARC on/off using either Digital or Analog Sources?

- David

Am using ML Summits. My room exhibits substantial mode problems in the bass area that ARC controls very well. I was using a Velodyne SMS-1 unit previously, but find ARC much better. Switching ARC off brings back those mode problems, so the difference is quite subtantial for me there.

However, unlike cone speakers, the mid and high of electrostatics, due to their unique horizontal and vertical dispersion characteristics, are not much affected by room irregularities , so there is little or no difference there.

Ben
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1/8/13 at 1:02am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The volume control on the OPPO only applies to its ANALOG outputs.
So I guess you were using multi-channel ANALOG all this time instead of HDMI LPCM?
OK. Anyway, glad it is fixed.
--Bob

no - i only use HDMI. Nothing els. And that was the fix. I set my Oppo bdp 83 to output LPCM. the volume was again way to low. Presset the volume kontrol on the harmony remote on komponent
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post #39596 of 40762
1/8/13 at 1:19am
^ My mistake -- forgot you were using an 83. Again, glad you found the answer.
--Bob
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1/8/13 at 1:48am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ My mistake -- forgot you were using an 83. Again, glad you found the answer.
--Bob

and thanks for you help. :-)
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1/8/13 at 4:58am
IR HEX Codes for AVM50v to Access DVD1, DVD2, DVD3, SAT1, SAT2, SAT3, TV1, TV2, TV3, etc.

Greetings all,

I'm going to shoot this question over to Anthem tech support as well, but by chance does anyone have the HEX codes to directly access the virtual inputs on the 50v/D2v units? The virtual inputs are the DVD1, DVD2, DVD3, etc that you access by pressing that input on the Anthem remote and it scrolls through the virtual inputs on that button.

Today, I was finally getting to the Anthem Hex Codes.xls file that was sent to me from support a few months ago, but it doesn't have all of those inputs listed. For example, in MAIN (R1185) it only has:
0x2F SAT
0x2B Tape
0x2E TV
0x30 VCR
0x1E Radio

I know that my Logitech can access each virtual input directly and I'd rather not have to program the Roomie remote by learning all the commands from the Logitech.

Any guidance is appreciated.

Thanks,
Theo

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1/8/13 at 10:18am
^ See Appendix A at the back of the Manual. You will find a table of 3-button sequences that can be used to select each of those Sources directly regardless of which Source is currently in use.
--Bob
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1/8/13 at 11:07am
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ See Appendix A at the back of the Manual. You will find a table of 3-button sequences that can be used to select each of those Sources directly regardless of which Source is currently in use.
--Bob

Bob, thanks. You're spot-on as usual!!

That's what Anthem wrote back as well and the three button macro combo does indeed work like a charm to access each of the virtual input sources. I just did a test and it passed with flying colors.

I'm assuming that the macros are identical for the D2v. I'm trying to work with the Roomie folks to update the AVM50v file to take advantage of the additional virtual inputs so that it's there out of the box.

I'm using them, so I want to be able to share the work I'm going to do with others.
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