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post #39661 of 42682
I have searched this thread, and read a lot of posts, but didn't see any discussion of my specific issue. If I overlooked it, my apologies.

I just updated my 50v to firmware version 3.09 (public release, not a beta/test version). Afterwards, DTS-HD MA and DTS-HD HR bitstreams no longer produce any audio output. I tried multiple discs in multiple players (Oppo BDP-80 and Toshiba HD-A35). The processor is detecting the correct bitstream format and displays it on front panel and the OSD. Lossy DTS works fine, as does Dolby TrueHD, DD+, and DD. Having the player decode the HD bitstream and send LPCM works fine also.

I have checked and double-checked my settings (which were successfully reloaded after the firmware upgrade), and I don't see anything amiss.

Has anyone else experienced this issue? I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks!

W
post #39662 of 42682
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Originally Posted by wierzbowski View Post

I have searched this thread, and read a lot of posts, but didn't see any discussion of my specific issue. If I overlooked it, my apologies.

I just updated my 50v to firmware version 3.09 (public release, not a beta/test version). Afterwards, DTS-HD MA and DTS-HD HR bitstreams no longer produce any audio output. I tried multiple discs in multiple players (Oppo BDP-80 and Toshiba HD-A35). The processor is detecting the correct bitstream format and displays it on front panel and the OSD. Lossy DTS works fine, as does Dolby TrueHD, DD+, and DD. Having the player decode the HD bitstream and send LPCM works fine also.

I have checked and double-checked my settings (which were successfully reloaded after the firmware upgrade), and I don't see anything amiss.

Has anyone else experienced this issue? I'm open to suggestions.

Thanks!

W

Update to 3.09f. It's been super stable for me and includes DTS updates.
post #39663 of 42682
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Update to 3.09f. It's been super stable for me and includes DTS updates.

Okay, I just sent email to Anthem tech support to request access to the beta firmware downloads. smile.gif

W
post #39664 of 42682
I would like my system to be set up so that the Audio processing is performed in my av processor rather than the Kaleidescape player

However when I try this then I have problems with the hdmi output

Initially it works but but if I pause the movie the sound track no longer works and I get a screech through the speakers

If I turn off the av processor and turn it back on it works again or if I turn the projector on and off the sound will come back on again

This doesn't happen with any other source other than the kaleidescape player the work round has been to get the kaleidescape to do the audio processing and not use the bypass then all works well.
Kaleidescape have suggested this is a problem with the Anthem
I am running 3.09f latest software any help would be appreciated as it seems nuts not to use the D2V to do the processing

Thanks
post #39665 of 42682
I entered wrong distance for the sub before my last run of ARC. Do I need to run ARC again if I change the sub distance in Listener Position?
Thanks.
post #39666 of 42682
I am trying to sell my Oppo 95. I had read earlier some web sites mentioned on this forum to sell used AV equipment. Can someone please advise.
Thanks.
post #39667 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

I entered wrong distance for the sub before my last run of ARC. Do I need to run ARC again if I change the sub distance in Listener Position?
Thanks.

Short answer, no. ARC is 'distance blind'. You can set it before or after, makes no difference. Sometimes tweaking the sub distance can improve the sub/satellite splice through the crossover region - in which case making adjustments after ARC is better - takes into account the effects that ARC may have on the crossovers.

Regards, Mike.
post #39668 of 42682
There is a classified section. May want to drop a note in the player thread.

Jeremy
post #39669 of 42682
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Originally Posted by agrsiv95 View Post

There is a classified section. May want to drop a note in the player thread.

Jeremy

Where is the classified Section?
Thanks.
post #39670 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Where is the classified Section?
Thanks.

from the dropdown at the top of the page - forums / classifieds
post #39671 of 42682
Use the classifieds here. You can also post it up for sale on Audiogon and Videogon.
post #39672 of 42682
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Originally Posted by nrwatson View Post

I would like my system to be set up so that the Audio processing is performed in my av processor rather than the Kaleidescape player

However when I try this then I have problems with the hdmi output

Initially it works but but if I pause the movie the sound track no longer works and I get a screech through the speakers

If I turn off the av processor and turn it back on it works again or if I turn the projector on and off the sound will come back on again

This doesn't happen with any other source other than the kaleidescape player the work round has been to get the kaleidescape to do the audio processing and not use the bypass then all works well.
Kaleidescape have suggested this is a problem with the Anthem
I am running 3.09f latest software any help would be appreciated as it seems nuts not to use the D2V to do the processing

Thanks

Give Anthem Tech Support a call to see if they have any history with this device. If the processing you are talking about is decoding Bitstream audio to LPCM, you might as well let the Source Device do it. Was there some reason and particular you wanted to avoid the processing in the device?
--Bob
post #39673 of 42682
Is anyone using an SVS AS-EQ1 with ARC. I have a 50v and have upgraded to 2 subs that are not matched. My system sounds good, but I read quite a bit about using an AS-EQ1 in the past to EQ subs prior to performing room corrections. Just trying to see if anyone is still doing this.
post #39674 of 42682
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Originally Posted by dvcdude View Post

Is anyone using an SVS AS-EQ1 with ARC. I have a 50v and have upgraded to 2 subs that are not matched. My system sounds good, but I read quite a bit about using an AS-EQ1 in the past to EQ subs prior to performing room corrections. Just trying to see if anyone is still doing this.

Sure. The only trick is to be sure you do the SVS setup FIRST, and then run your ARC Measurement pass.
--Bob
post #39675 of 42682
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Originally Posted by dvcdude View Post

Is anyone using an SVS AS-EQ1 with ARC. I have a 50v and have upgraded to 2 subs that are not matched. My system sounds good, but I read quite a bit about using an AS-EQ1 in the past to EQ subs prior to performing room corrections. Just trying to see if anyone is still doing this.

I am looking for one myself, but it is hard to find. Do you have one?
post #39676 of 42682
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by dvcdude View Post

Is anyone using an SVS AS-EQ1 with ARC. I have a 50v and have upgraded to 2 subs that are not matched. My system sounds good, but I read quite a bit about using an AS-EQ1 in the past to EQ subs prior to performing room corrections. Just trying to see if anyone is still doing this.

Sure. The only trick is to be sure you do the SVS setup FIRST, and then run your ARC Measurement pass.
--Bob

 

I agree with Bob on this one. I also have the AS-EQ1 for my dual subs and its done wonders time-aligning my subs in my small and difficult room. Look at the QM results on the left below and ARC measurements on the right when its in the loop. When the EQ1 isn't active, the combined frequency response is just awful, with deep notches between 20 - 100Hz. Moving my subs within the limited confines of my living room didn't help much at all.

 

So, after making the subs 180 degrees out of phase with each other, i then got correctable FR from 20 - 120Hz and the results are shown below:

 

 

 

AS-EQ1 Calibration Certicate below (after subs are phased 180 degrees out of each other):

 

 

 


Edited by dmusoke - 1/13/13 at 4:38pm
post #39677 of 42682
Thank you both for the information. I will let you know how this works out for me.
post #39678 of 42682
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by dvcdude View Post

Is anyone using an SVS AS-EQ1 with ARC. I have a 50v and have upgraded to 2 subs that are not matched. My system sounds good, but I read quite a bit about using an AS-EQ1 in the past to EQ subs prior to performing room corrections. Just trying to see if anyone is still doing this.

I am looking for one myself, but it is hard to find. Do you have one?

 

I know...good luck finding one. They are extremely hard to find as all their owners see their value ... Try calling SVS if they have any B-stock or any refurbished units.

post #39679 of 42682
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

I know...good luck finding one. They are extremely hard to find as all their owners see their value ... Try calling SVS if they have any B-stock or any refurbished units.

I did and this is the response I got:

"We no longer sell the AS-EQ1 due to the fact that its technology can now be found in many mid- and high-end AVRs that license the Audyssey technology – specifically MultEQ XT/32 and Sub EQ HT.

http://www.audyssey.com/products?field_multeq_flavor_value%5B%5D=MultEQ+XT32&tid%5B%5D=100&pid=All&ptype=5&=Search+Products

AS-EQ1s can occasionally be found on the previously-owned market as folks upgrade their AVRs to the aforementioned Audyssey technologies, which renders the need for the AS-EQ1 moot. AVS, Audiogon and eBay are typical places where folks list their AS-EQ1s for sale. Average price has been around $500.

The other option of course, if you are on the cusp of an upgrade, is to look at AVRs that have XT/32 and Sub EQ HT."

And I have big issues with my lows. Any other ideas?

Thanks.
post #39680 of 42682

^^^^ In the mean-time, you can try the following methods:

 

1.  Basically, first use Arc's Quick Measure(QM) to move the sub around the listening room to get the widest and smoothest frequency response.

 

2.  Use the sub crawl technique, where you place the sub in your listening position and crawl around the room until you hear the deepest response. I would modify this technique a bit by using QM and placing the ARC microphone about a foot off the floor but facing up and moving it around the room until you get the widest and deepest response graph.

 

3.  If you have 2 subs, either above method works(I prefer #2). Make sure both subs have their phase knobs set to 0 degrees before you start this test and that each sub is levelled at 73dB via its volume/gain control for a combined 75 - 76dB level.

 

It would be nice if you can get both subs optimal but in most cases, one sub will be optimal and the second sub not so much. But thats ok, for you can now play both subs at the same time and adjust the phase knob button of the second sub until you get the widest and deepest frequency response for both subs using QM. Leave the first sub phase knob at zero and print the combined response.

 

Then set the phase knob of the 2nd sub to zero and adjust the phase knob of the first sub until, again, you get the best combined frequency on the high and low end. Print the combined response and compare the two printed frequency responses and determine which subwoofer setup to use. Then perform ARC and post the graphs here for feedbacksmile.gif.

 

 

Tweaky final stage is to phase match the subs to the mains BUT this is to extract the final 5% - 10% of the performance as described in my sig below. First concentrate on the 90% - 95% part.

post #39681 of 42682
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Sure. The only trick is to be sure you do the SVS setup FIRST, and then run your ARC Measurement pass.
--Bob

I remember getting my D2v and I actually owned a AS-EQ1 as did my brother and I remember asking here for advice as to if I still required it or should keep the unit, the answer here was to sell it as ARC would be all I need. I'm now regretting selling mine now as I believe it would have helped smooth out the bass response in my room. As mentioned they are very hard to find now. I'm happy with my system but now wonder if the SVS unit would have improved the bass even more.
post #39682 of 42682
^ The correct advice should have been to try it with ARC alone FIRST and see if ARC produced a satisfactory solution in your setup. If not, then go ahead and try additional steps -- such as room treatments or bass-only EQ systems to give ARC a better starting point to work from.

Paradigm's own PBK stuff -- basically the subwoofer-only subset of ARC -- is another approach, particularly for folks working with more than one Sub in a room. But of course if you are in the market to replace your Subs there are lots of different approaches.
--Bob
post #39683 of 42682
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Give Anthem Tech Support a call to see if they have any history with this device. If the processing you are talking about is decoding Bitstream audio to LPCM, you might as well let the Source Device do it. Was there some reason and particular you wanted to avoid the processing in the device?
--Bob

Sorry if I am being thick but thought that using the D2V would allow me to go 7.1 the player output after decoding is only 5.1 and won't the D2V be the better processor
Thanks again for reply Neale
post #39684 of 42682
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Originally Posted by nrwatson View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

Give Anthem Tech Support a call to see if they have any history with this device. If the processing you are talking about is decoding Bitstream audio to LPCM, you might as well let the Source Device do it. Was there some reason and particular you wanted to avoid the processing in the device?
--Bob

Sorry if I am being thick but thought that using the D2V would allow me to go 7.1 the player output after decoding is only 5.1 and won't the D2V be the better processor
Thanks again for reply Neale

It's unusual for a decoding Source to send Bitstreams with more channels than it can decode.

Decoding a 7.1 Bitstream results in 7.1 HDMI LPCM digital audio, and the D2v can accept 7.1 HDMI LPCM as input. The only 5.1 limit on the D2v is if you want to use its multi-channel Analog inputs.
--Bob
post #39685 of 42682
Bob
The output after decoding by the kaleidescape is 5.1 thought if it just sent audio stream direct then the anthem can decode it as 7.1 or am I being too simplistic
Thanks Neale
post #39686 of 42682

Is it possible to turn on my TV using the D2v? I'd like to have an event such that when i turn on my D2v, it triggers the TV to turn on. Is that possible and if so how?

 

Thanks,

David

post #39687 of 42682
HDMI-CEC supposedly provides that sort of functionality but most implementations seem to be proprietary or a hit or miss affair. I don't believe the Anthem supports it any way. Whats wrong with a simple remote macro?
post #39688 of 42682
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

HDMI-CEC supposedly provides that sort of functionality but most implementations seem to be proprietary or a hit or miss affair. I don't believe the Anthem supports it any way. Whats wrong with a simple remote macro?

Tom ... i lack basic programming skillsbiggrin.gif!  Can the TV be used to turn on the D2v?


Edited by dmusoke - 1/14/13 at 11:59am
post #39689 of 42682
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Originally Posted by nrwatson View Post

Bob
The output after decoding by the kaleidescape is 5.1 thought if it just sent audio stream direct then the anthem can decode it as 7.1 or am I being too simplistic
Thanks Neale

If the audio tracks being played by that device are 5.1, then they'll decode as 5.1 in the Anthem as well.

HOWEVER, if you select an audio surround processing Mode in the Anthem, such as PLIIx, you can raise 5.1 channels of input to 7.1 speakers of output. This is true whether or not the Source is doing the decoding.

So if the content is a DD or DTS 5.1 Bitstream, the decoding results in LPCM 5.1 digital audio -- whether the Source or the Anthem does that. But both the original 5.1 Bitstream and the 5.1 LPCM that results from decoding can be raised to 7.1 speakers of output using an Audio Surround Mode in the Anthem.
--Bob
post #39690 of 42682
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Is it possible to turn on my TV using the D2v? I'd like to have an event such that when i turn on my D2v, it triggers the TV to turn on. Is that possible and if so how?

Thanks,
David

The D2v does not support remote control of other devices via HDMI CEC. Nor does it accept control from other devices over HDMI.

Your best bet is to use a programmable remote (such as Logitech Harmony) which can be set to turn on/off multiple devices according to what you tell it you want to do at the moment.

Programming the Harmony stuff is not complicated. If you can figure out the Setup menu in the D2v you can figure out how to configure a Harmony.
--Bob
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