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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The D2v does not support remote control of other devices via HDMI CEC. Nor does it accept control from other devices over HDMI.

Your best bet is to use a programmable remote (such as Logitech Harmony) which can be set to turn on/off multiple devices according to what you tell it you want to do at the moment.

Programming the Harmony stuff is not complicated. If you can figure out the Setup menu in the D2v you can figure out how to configure a Harmony.
--Bob
Although the D2v does not do HDMI CEC, It has power trigger (12v) that let you power on/off amps. And also use I a smartstrip that when the my D2 power on it enable the other power port on the strip. But some tv and cable box like to be powered on all the time so they can download the tv guide.

Otherwise like Bob said the Harmony is not complicated (not more than ARC) and there threads in the remote-control topic where you can get help if needed.

Actually the trigger method would be faster for me right now. Thanks Tranlesmile.gif! Programming the Harmony remote would be the optimal solution.

post #39722 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

"thestewman", "boyce89967", "bob", "dmusoke", and others:

Here are my latest ARC results. I think my problem is in low frequency area, if you see my charts, the sub really drops off at about 50Hz. Moving the sub and/or room treatment are not the options.

"dmusoke": I think I have found one SVS AS-EQ1, but have not finalized with the seller, I might get it. Would that really help?

I appreciate all the input and advice. I am just too frustrated. With all this equipment such lousy sound. I need help.

 

I'll answer the simplest one first... GET the SVS EQ1 especially if you have dual subs. It handles sub bass way better than ARC does.

 

Now the "lack" of bass response you alluded to earlier, IMO is due to the low room gain you choose. Probably ARC must have suggested something higher and you reduced it to make your graphs look 'prettier' but not sound better than the ARC solution. Did you try the default solution that ARC gave you at 5K with the default room gain? Please post original and new targets.

 

The deep null at 70Hz is IMO probably due to a room mode. Since you said (and correct me if i'm wrong) that moving the sub is not an option, the you have 2 other options that will involve money. Invest in the SVS EQ-1 as i said before and, if you can swing it, get a 2nd sub(same type/tonality/manufacturer) as the first one and place it in the back of the room for example. The fix would involve running  the SVS to time or phase align the subs which would help eliminate that null and provide even bass response around the room.

post #39723 of 42717
Is it safe to say that if i can't get a 2nd hand SVS AS-EQ1 then would the Velodyne SMS-1 be the next best thing?
post #39724 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post




"thestewman", "boyce89967", "bob", "dmusoke", and others:

Here are my latest ARC results. I think my problem is in low frequency area, if you see my charts, the sub really drops off at about 50Hz. Moving the sub and/or room treatment are not the options.

"dmusoke": I think I have found one SVS AS-EQ1, but have not finalized with the seller, I might get it. Would that really help?

I appreciate all the input and advice. I am just too frustrated. With all this equipment such lousy sound. I need help.
Your charts, with the exception of your sub, look very good. You are missing out on a lot of LFE between 40 Hz and 90 Hz which is, more than likely, the reason why your bass is so weak. Your sub is only showing good low frequency response from about 28 Hz to 40 Hz. After 40 Hz, your sub is tanking and not coming back to life again until about 90 Hz. Since moving your sub is really not an option, then you would have to try something like the SVS AS-EQ1 to try to eliminate the null. However, I am not a fan of trying to use EQ to fix that kind of a problem. EQ should really be used to cut peaks not try to fix nulls especially if you have to apply a lot of boost to fix the problem which looks like is what you will need to do. To fix your problem, you really need to move your sub to a different location. That's really only true way to deal with your sub's issue. You can try a second sub; but, before you do, try moving your current sub to the location where you would place your second sub and see what your sub's frequency response looks like there. I always caution with getting a second, third, fourth, etc.. sub when your sub locations have limits because it's possible you could get a second sub and your sub's chart could look worse because the subs could be canceling each other out. If that happens, then the only way to fix that is to move your subs around. So, if you do have another location that you can move your sub to, I strongly suggest you try that first. It's possible that you just need to move your sub a few inches to see a big difference in your chart. So, I suggest that you work with what you have as much as possible before spending additional money because spending additional money may still not get you what you are looking for. Remember, when it comes to the speakers and subs, it's all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. EQ is only used as icing on the cake.

BTW, if you could post your Target View and your speaker trims that ARC set, that would be helpful too.
post #39725 of 42717
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Is it safe to say that if i can't get a 2nd hand SVS AS-EQ1 then would the Velodyne SMS-1 be the next best thing?
What kind of problem are you trying to fix for your sub? Maybe just changing your sub's location could fix your problem.
post #39726 of 42717
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

Your charts, with the exception of your sub, look very good. You are missing out on a lot of LFE between 40 Hz and 90 Hz which is, more than likely, the reason why your bass is so weak. Your sub is only showing good low frequency response from about 28 Hz to 40 Hz. After 40 Hz, your sub is tanking and not coming back to life again until about 90 Hz. Since moving your sub is really not an option, then you would have to try something like the SVS AS-EQ1 to try to eliminate the null. However, I am not a fan of trying to use EQ to fix that kind of a problem. EQ should really be used to cut peaks not try to fix nulls especially if you have to apply a lot of boost to fix the problem which looks like is what you will need to do. To fix your problem, you really need to move your sub to a different location. That's really only true way to deal with your sub's issue. You can try a second sub; but, before you do, try moving your current sub to the location where you would place your second sub and see what your sub's frequency response looks like there. I always caution with getting a second, third, fourth, etc.. sub when your sub locations have limits because it's possible you could get a second sub and your sub's chart could look worse because the subs could be canceling each other out. If that happens, then the only way to fix that is to move your subs around. So, if you do have another location that you can move your sub to, I strongly suggest you try that first. It's possible that you just need to move your sub a few inches to see a big difference in your chart. So, I suggest that you work with what you have as much as possible before spending additional money because spending additional money may still not get you what you are looking for. Remember, when it comes to the speakers and subs, it's all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. EQ is only used as icing on the cake.

BTW, if you could post your Target View and your speaker trims that ARC set, that would be helpful too.

Bass traps, bass traps, bass traps... Here are a couple of links:
https://gikacoustics.com/product-category/broadband-bass-traps/
http://www.realtraps.com/
post #39727 of 42717
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

Your charts, with the exception of your sub, look very good. You are missing out on a lot of LFE between 40 Hz and 90 Hz which is, more than likely, the reason why your bass is so weak. Your sub is only showing good low frequency response from about 28 Hz to 40 Hz. After 40 Hz, your sub is tanking and not coming back to life again until about 90 Hz. Since moving your sub is really not an option, then you would have to try something like the SVS AS-EQ1 to try to eliminate the null. However, I am not a fan of trying to use EQ to fix that kind of a problem. EQ should really be used to cut peaks not try to fix nulls especially if you have to apply a lot of boost to fix the problem which looks like is what you will need to do. To fix your problem, you really need to move your sub to a different location. That's really only true way to deal with your sub's issue. You can try a second sub; but, before you do, try moving your current sub to the location where you would place your second sub and see what your sub's frequency response looks like there. I always caution with getting a second, third, fourth, etc.. sub when your sub locations have limits because it's possible you could get a second sub and your sub's chart could look worse because the subs could be canceling each other out. If that happens, then the only way to fix that is to move your subs around. So, if you do have another location that you can move your sub to, I strongly suggest you try that first. It's possible that you just need to move your sub a few inches to see a big difference in your chart. So, I suggest that you work with what you have as much as possible before spending additional money because spending additional money may still not get you what you are looking for. Remember, when it comes to the speakers and subs, it's all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. EQ is only used as icing on the cake.

BTW, if you could post your Target View and your speaker trims that ARC set, that would be helpful too.

Yes, there is a problem with the sub rolling off above 60-70Hz. And the bass impact most people want in a home theater is between 100 -150 Hz.
Please check that you have the sub in bypass mode by setting the Subwoofer Cut-Off Frequency above 150 Hz or into Bypass Option

Would you also go into the Anthem loudspeaker setup and post the crossover frequencies that are there.
Did you manually change any ARC cutoff frequencies or the crossover frequencies in the setup
post #39728 of 42717
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Remember that 3.09c fixed this:

"Previous release where surround remapping was disabled for all speaker configurations did not meet all requirements"

Also an important fix for the 50v low power-on volume bug.

Didn't Bob find a new bug introduced in 3.09f? I'm sticking with c but I understand it isn't available for download since f was posted.
post #39729 of 42717
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Originally Posted by xtrips View Post

Hello,

I have always used RGB on my D2v, my sources and my projector because when I tried the preferable YCbCr i always had some problems, and I didn't bother to investigate.
But lately I have inserted a Darbee between my D2v and my projector therefore I had to set all my video devices to YCbCr.
But I do have 2 problems:

- If i set my Video output config on the D2v to YcbCr 4:2:2 the picture is invariably pink-magenta, eben on the setup menu
- So I set the Video output config to YCbCr 4:4:4, which works but at every source change, track change within a blue-ray (for example between trailers), I get a full screen pink magenta flicker.

Whenever I change the output format, my display requires a power cycle to cope with it. If you turn everything off and on it should be fine.
post #39730 of 42717
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Yes, there is a problem with the sub rolling off above 60-70Hz. And the bass impact most people want in a home theater is between 100 -150 Hz.
Please check that you have the sub in bypass mode by setting the Subwoofer Cut-Off Frequency above 150 Hz or into Bypass Option

Would you also go into the Anthem loudspeaker setup and post the crossover frequencies that are there.
Did you manually change any ARC cutoff frequencies or the crossover frequencies in the setup

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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

Your charts, with the exception of your sub, look very good. You are missing out on a lot of LFE between 40 Hz and 90 Hz which is, more than likely, the reason why your bass is so weak. Your sub is only showing good low frequency response from about 28 Hz to 40 Hz. After 40 Hz, your sub is tanking and not coming back to life again until about 90 Hz. Since moving your sub is really not an option, then you would have to try something like the SVS AS-EQ1 to try to eliminate the null. However, I am not a fan of trying to use EQ to fix that kind of a problem. EQ should really be used to cut peaks not try to fix nulls especially if you have to apply a lot of boost to fix the problem which looks like is what you will need to do. To fix your problem, you really need to move your sub to a different location. That's really only true way to deal with your sub's issue. You can try a second sub; but, before you do, try moving your current sub to the location where you would place your second sub and see what your sub's frequency response looks like there. I always caution with getting a second, third, fourth, etc.. sub when your sub locations have limits because it's possible you could get a second sub and your sub's chart could look worse because the subs could be canceling each other out. If that happens, then the only way to fix that is to move your subs around. So, if you do have another location that you can move your sub to, I strongly suggest you try that first. It's possible that you just need to move your sub a few inches to see a big difference in your chart. So, I suggest that you work with what you have as much as possible before spending additional money because spending additional money may still not get you what you are looking for. Remember, when it comes to the speakers and subs, it's all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. EQ is only used as icing on the cake.

BTW, if you could post your Target View and your speaker trims that ARC set, that would be helpful too.
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Yes, there is a problem with the sub rolling off above 60-70Hz. And the bass impact most people want in a home theater is between 100 -150 Hz.
Please check that you have the sub in bypass mode by setting the Subwoofer Cut-Off Frequency above 150 Hz or into Bypass Option

Would you also go into the Anthem loudspeaker setup and post the crossover frequencies that are there.
Did you manually change any ARC cutoff frequencies or the crossover frequencies in the setup

This is my targets window:


I did not change crossover frequencies manually. I have the sub set to 120Hz (at the sub), because that is the maximum you can go on a Paradigm Sub25.

Thank you.
Edited by paradigm25 - 1/16/13 at 12:08pm
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post



This is my targets window:


I did not change crossover frequencies manually. I have the sub set to 120Hz (at the sub), because that is the maximum you can go on a Paradigm Sub25.

Thank you.

Go into your speaker setup and post the crossover frequencies
post #39732 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post



This is my targets window:


I did not change crossover frequencies manually. I have the sub set to 120Hz (at the sub), because that is the maximum you can go on a Paradigm Sub25.

Thank you.

Can I ask why you changed your ARC correction cutoff frequency to 10khz? You essentially have ARC slightly boosting treble frequencies between 5khz - 10khz for most of your speakers. This is a frequency range that can cause a thin/tinny sound perception, which may be part of the problem, particularly if your mic is causing the rolloff (which someone else suggested),which would mean you are boosting frequencies where it's not needed.

I would change that back to 5khz, as a first step, recalculate, save the new calculation as a different solution (ARC 1.16.13 5khz.xxx) and then load it as your ARC solution. This way, if you like the 10khz solution better, you still have it saved and can easily reload it.

Also, it's curious to me that ARC set your Sub Cutoff frequency to 80hz for a Sub 25. I'm not sure of the proper procedure to do this, but you might try raising your Sub Cutoff frequency in the targets window to 120hz, to get more of the low-mid bass (the impact frequencies) back into your sub... LFE signals range from 120hz down...
post #39733 of 42717
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Can I ask why you changed your ARC correction cutoff frequency to 10khz? You essentially have ARC slightly boosting treble frequencies between 5khz - 10khz for most of your speakers. This is a frequency range that can cause a thin/tinny sound perception, which may be part of the problem, particularly if your mic is causing the rolloff (which someone else suggested),which would mean you are boosting frequencies where it's not needed.

I would change that back to 5khz, as a first step, recalculate, save the new calculation as a different solution (ARC 1.16.13 5khz.xxx) and then load it as your ARC solution. This way, if you like the 10khz solution better, you still have it saved and can easily reload it.

Also, it's curious to me that ARC set your Sub Cutoff frequency to 80hz for a Sub 25. I'm not sure of the proper procedure to do this, but you might try raising your Sub Cutoff frequency in the targets window to 120hz, to get more of the low-mid bass (the impact frequencies) back into your sub... LFE signals range from 120hz down...

Yes, I forgot to mention, the charts I uploaded had MaxEq set at 10000KHz and Subwoofer High Pass order as Flat.

Here are the charts with default 5,000kHz, and Auto. I did set the test tone level at 75 before starting the measurements.





I think sub got worse with default.

Thank you for all the help here. It is amazing (I wish I could say that for the sound as well.).
Edited by paradigm25 - 1/16/13 at 1:46pm
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Yes, I forgot to mention, the charts I uploaded had MaxEq set at 10000KHz and Subwoofer High Pass order as Flat.

Here are the charts with default 5,000kHz, and Auto. I did set the test tone level at 75 before starting the measurements.





I think sub got worse with default.

Thank you for all the help here. It is amazing (I wish I could say that for the sound as well.).

Okay, being set to "auto" ARC is rolling off your sub response below 30hz. Now set your sub to "flat" in the targets window on the advanced tab, to remap your sub to flat below 20hz, then recalculate and reload the solution.

We also need to see a screen shot of how your LFE Xover is set in the D2v setup menu.

Don't worry, we'll get it, just have to eliminate the potential causes. wink.gif
post #39735 of 42717
^My earlier charts were with sub set to flat and High Eq set to 10,000kHz. This latest one is for Auto and 5,000KHz. Do you mean to say you need to see with 5,000kHz and Flat?

Thanks. I will post D2v settings later today.
post #39736 of 42717
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

What kind of problem are you trying to fix for your sub? Maybe just changing your sub's location could fix your problem.

It's not a problem just want to improve things if I can and wanted to know if the SMS-1 would help with that and improve my current measured curve so when I run ARC it will be the cherry on top so to speak. I have moved my 2 subs around the entire room (running QM) and their current location (Front corner right and back corner left) gave me the best result. Refer to graph:

post #39737 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

^My earlier charts were with sub set to flat and High Eq set to 10,000kHz. This latest one is for Auto and 5,000KHz. Do you mean to say you need to see with 5,000kHz and Flat?

Thanks. I will post D2v settings later today.

Sound any better? I'm guessing your mains are in a corner? Try pulling them either into the room further or move them closer to the center. Also play with the toe in on the mains which can make a huge difference in imaging with some speakers. Your sub may not be doing as much as it can for two reasons the first being that null at 70hz and second the large room gain on your mains. ARC is likely rolling off the high end of your sub for those two reasons. Just out of curiosity what does you system sound like with ARC off? Did you ever post your crossover numbers just to make sure nothing is fishy there?
post #39738 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

^My earlier charts were with sub set to flat and High Eq set to 10,000kHz. This latest one is for Auto and 5,000KHz. Do you mean to say you need to see with 5,000kHz and Flat?

Thanks. I will post D2v settings later today.

Yes. I suspect part of the problem was boosting high frequencies. Now with the sub set to "Auto" you are losing low frequencies (below 40hz). Set your sub back to flat, keeping the 5khz ARC limit.

Have you looked at your listening position to make sure it is in a suitable spot? You're MLP should not be close to a wall and should be a little farther from the FL and FR than they are apart. You also want to avoid multiples... rules of 1/3rd's usually work well.
post #39739 of 42717
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

It's not a problem just want to improve things if I can and wanted to know if the SMS-1 would help with that and improve my current measured curve so when I run ARC it will be the cherry on top so to speak. I have moved my 2 subs around the entire room (running QM) and their current location (Front corner right and back corner left) gave me the best result. Refer to graph:


Your graph looks pretty good, I have the Velodyne SMS-1 and had a perfectly flat bass response with it but after running ARC this is what ARC's looked like, still have to go in and tweak one of these days. When I do I can post what I have been able to accomplish.
ARC.JPG 159k .JPG file
post #39740 of 42717
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Originally Posted by obie_fl View Post

Sound any better? I'm guessing your mains are in a corner? Try pulling them either into the room further or move them closer to the center. Also play with the toe in on the mains which can make a huge difference in imaging with some speakers. Your sub may not be doing as much as it can for two reasons the first being that null at 70hz and second the large room gain on your mains. ARC is likely rolling off the high end of your sub for those two reasons. Just out of curiosity what does you system sound like with ARC off? Did you ever post your crossover numbers just to make sure nothing is fishy there?

With High EQ set to 10,000 or more it just sounds little brighter, but no big change in sound really. I will post a picture of my set up soon. I do not really understand the room gain effect, so cannot say anything about that. As of system sound with ARC off; it does sound open and cleaner yes, but I would forego benefits of D2v and ARC, I can probably get rid of it and go directly to amp from Oppo 105.

In D2v, all Xovers are at 60, including LFE.

Thanks.
post #39741 of 42717
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

Yes. I suspect part of the problem was boosting high frequencies. Now with the sub set to "Auto" you are losing low frequencies (below 40hz). Set your sub back to flat, keeping the 5khz ARC limit.

Have you looked at your listening position to make sure it is in a suitable spot? You're MLP should not be close to a wall and should be a little farther from the FL and FR than they are apart. You also want to avoid multiples... rules of 1/3rd's usually work well.

Changing Hi EQ frequency makes some difference, but nothing major either way. That has been the problem. I did not do the crawl test at least not yet, but moving the sub is almost impossible, it's my family room as well. I will post the pictures of my room shortly.

All Xover frequencies are set at 60Hz in D2v, including LFE.

Thanks.
post #39742 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Changing Hi EQ frequency makes some difference, but nothing major either way. That has been the problem. I did not do the crawl test at least not yet, but moving the sub is almost impossible, it's my family room as well. I will post the pictures of my room shortly.

All Xover frequencies are set at 60Hz in D2v, including LFE.

Thanks.
Anthem highly recommends not going above 5 kHz for Max Frequency because the mic is unreliable regardless of how good your charts looks above 5 kHz. Any readings above 5 kHz can't be trusted. As for your sub, the only way to fix your problem, I think, is to find a new location for your sub. The Sub 25 is very capable without a doubt. Just check out the link below which is Jayray's Sub 25. He was able to achieve that by moving his sub.

http://www.avsforum.com/image/id/328764
post #39743 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Changing Hi EQ frequency makes some difference, but nothing major either way. That has been the problem. I did not do the crawl test at least not yet, but moving the sub is almost impossible, it's my family room as well. I will post the pictures of my room shortly.

All Xover frequencies are set at 60Hz in D2v, including LFE.

Thanks.

What is your setting for "bypass LFE Xover"?
post #39744 of 42717
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Originally Posted by ninja12 View Post

Anthem highly recommends not going above 5 kHz for Max Frequency because the mic is unreliable regardless of how good your charts looks above 5 kHz. Any readings above 5 kHz can't be trusted. As for your sub, the only way to fix your problem, I think, is to find a new location for your sub. The Sub 25 is very capable without a doubt. Just check out the link below which is Jayray's Sub 25. He was able to achieve that by moving his sub.

http://www.avsforum.com/image/id/328764

That may be the flattest sub response curve ever! Nice job Jayray!
post #39745 of 42717
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

What is your setting for "bypass LFE Xover"?

No.
post #39746 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

No.

Setting it to "no" sets the LFE X-over to whatever the sub X-over is set to. Set it to "yes" to send full LFE to the sub. I wouldn't do that for your Music setting, but should be fine for Movie.
post #39747 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

Changing Hi EQ frequency makes some difference, but nothing major either way. That has been the problem. I did not do the crawl test at least not yet, but moving the sub is almost impossible, it's my family room as well. I will post the pictures of my room shortly.

All Xover frequencies are set at 60Hz in D2v, including LFE.

Thanks.

This is is is absolutely wrong. Post the entire speaker setup xover frequencies as in the set up page
We have asked for this before several times
post #39748 of 42717
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

That may be the flattest sub response curve ever! Nice job Jayray!
Thanks, it took some time but with the help of PBK the result was excellent.
John
post #39749 of 42717
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

This is is is absolutely wrong. Post the entire speaker setup xover frequencies as in the set up page
We have asked for this before several times

3a. Bass Management - Movie:

a. Adv Settings: ON
b. Fronts: Advanced
c. Center: Advanced
d. Surrounds: Advanced
e. Rears: None
f. Subs: 1 sub
g> Xover Freq: Advanced
h. Fronts Xover: 60 Hz
i. Center Xover: 60 Hz
j. Surnd Xover: 60 Hz
k. Rear Xover: NA
l. Sub/LFE Xover: 60 Hz
m. Sub Polarity: Normal
n. Sub Phase: 0 Deg
o. Bypass LEF Xover: No


Thanks.
post #39750 of 42717
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Originally Posted by paradigm25 View Post

3a. Bass Management - Movie:

a. Adv Settings: ON
b. Fronts: Advanced
c. Center: Advanced
d. Surrounds: Advanced
e. Rears: None
f. Subs: 1 sub
g> Xover Freq: Advanced
h. Fronts Xover: 60 Hz
i. Center Xover: 60 Hz
j. Surnd Xover: 60 Hz
k. Rear Xover: NA
l. Sub/LFE Xover: 60 Hz
m. Sub Polarity: Normal
n. Sub Phase: 0 Deg
o. Bypass LEF Xover: No


Thanks.

Are you certain your sub is in-Phase with the rest of the system?

Where are you located? Maybe a member close to you can come over and see first-hand what's going on?
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