Anthem D2/D2v/AVM50/AVM50v/ARC1 tweaking guide - Page 1325

Originally Posted by tranle 

Although the D2v does not do HDMI CEC, It has power trigger (12v) that let you power on/off amps. And also use I a smartstrip that when the my D2 power on it enable the other power port on the strip. But some tv and cable box like to be powered on all the time so they can download the tv guide.

Otherwise like Bob said the Harmony is not complicated (not more than ARC) and there threads in the remote-control topic where you can get help if needed.

Originally Posted by paradigm25 

"thestewman", "boyce89967", "bob", "dmusoke", and others:

Here are my latest ARC results. I think my problem is in low frequency area, if you see my charts, the sub really drops off at about 50Hz. Moving the sub and/or room treatment are not the options.

"dmusoke": I think I have found one SVS AS-EQ1, but have not finalized with the seller, I might get it. Would that really help?

I appreciate all the input and advice. I am just too frustrated. With all this equipment such lousy sound. I need help.

Originally Posted by paradigm25 




"thestewman", "boyce89967", "bob", "dmusoke", and others:

Here are my latest ARC results. I think my problem is in low frequency area, if you see my charts, the sub really drops off at about 50Hz. Moving the sub and/or room treatment are not the options.

"dmusoke": I think I have found one SVS AS-EQ1, but have not finalized with the seller, I might get it. Would that really help?

I appreciate all the input and advice. I am just too frustrated. With all this equipment such lousy sound. I need help.

Originally Posted by SimonNo10 

Is it safe to say that if i can't get a 2nd hand SVS AS-EQ1 then would the Velodyne SMS-1 be the next best thing?

Originally Posted by ninja12 

Your charts, with the exception of your sub, look very good. You are missing out on a lot of LFE between 40 Hz and 90 Hz which is, more than likely, the reason why your bass is so weak. Your sub is only showing good low frequency response from about 28 Hz to 40 Hz. After 40 Hz, your sub is tanking and not coming back to life again until about 90 Hz. Since moving your sub is really not an option, then you would have to try something like the SVS AS-EQ1 to try to eliminate the null. However, I am not a fan of trying to use EQ to fix that kind of a problem. EQ should really be used to cut peaks not try to fix nulls especially if you have to apply a lot of boost to fix the problem which looks like is what you will need to do. To fix your problem, you really need to move your sub to a different location. That's really only true way to deal with your sub's issue. You can try a second sub; but, before you do, try moving your current sub to the location where you would place your second sub and see what your sub's frequency response looks like there. I always caution with getting a second, third, fourth, etc.. sub when your sub locations have limits because it's possible you could get a second sub and your sub's chart could look worse because the subs could be canceling each other out. If that happens, then the only way to fix that is to move your subs around. So, if you do have another location that you can move your sub to, I strongly suggest you try that first. It's possible that you just need to move your sub a few inches to see a big difference in your chart. So, I suggest that you work with what you have as much as possible before spending additional money because spending additional money may still not get you what you are looking for. Remember, when it comes to the speakers and subs, it's all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. EQ is only used as icing on the cake.

BTW, if you could post your Target View and your speaker trims that ARC set, that would be helpful too.

Originally Posted by ninja12 

Your charts, with the exception of your sub, look very good. You are missing out on a lot of LFE between 40 Hz and 90 Hz which is, more than likely, the reason why your bass is so weak. Your sub is only showing good low frequency response from about 28 Hz to 40 Hz. After 40 Hz, your sub is tanking and not coming back to life again until about 90 Hz. Since moving your sub is really not an option, then you would have to try something like the SVS AS-EQ1 to try to eliminate the null. However, I am not a fan of trying to use EQ to fix that kind of a problem. EQ should really be used to cut peaks not try to fix nulls especially if you have to apply a lot of boost to fix the problem which looks like is what you will need to do. To fix your problem, you really need to move your sub to a different location. That's really only true way to deal with your sub's issue. You can try a second sub; but, before you do, try moving your current sub to the location where you would place your second sub and see what your sub's frequency response looks like there. I always caution with getting a second, third, fourth, etc.. sub when your sub locations have limits because it's possible you could get a second sub and your sub's chart could look worse because the subs could be canceling each other out. If that happens, then the only way to fix that is to move your subs around. So, if you do have another location that you can move your sub to, I strongly suggest you try that first. It's possible that you just need to move your sub a few inches to see a big difference in your chart. So, I suggest that you work with what you have as much as possible before spending additional money because spending additional money may still not get you what you are looking for. Remember, when it comes to the speakers and subs, it's all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. EQ is only used as icing on the cake.

BTW, if you could post your Target View and your speaker trims that ARC set, that would be helpful too.

Originally Posted by SimonNo10 

Remember that 3.09c fixed this:

"Previous release where surround remapping was disabled for all speaker configurations did not meet all requirements"

Originally Posted by xtrips 

Hello,

I have always used RGB on my D2v, my sources and my projector because when I tried the preferable YCbCr i always had some problems, and I didn't bother to investigate.
But lately I have inserted a Darbee between my D2v and my projector therefore I had to set all my video devices to YCbCr.
But I do have 2 problems:

- If i set my Video output config on the D2v to YcbCr 4:2:2 the picture is invariably pink-magenta, eben on the setup menu
- So I set the Video output config to YCbCr 4:4:4, which works but at every source change, track change within a blue-ray (for example between trailers), I get a full screen pink magenta flicker.

Originally Posted by thestewman 

Yes, there is a problem with the sub rolling off above 60-70Hz. And the bass impact most people want in a home theater is between 100 -150 Hz.
Please check that you have the sub in bypass mode by setting the Subwoofer Cut-Off Frequency above 150 Hz or into Bypass Option

Would you also go into the Anthem loudspeaker setup and post the crossover frequencies that are there.
Did you manually change any ARC cutoff frequencies or the crossover frequencies in the setup

Originally Posted by ninja12 

Your charts, with the exception of your sub, look very good. You are missing out on a lot of LFE between 40 Hz and 90 Hz which is, more than likely, the reason why your bass is so weak. Your sub is only showing good low frequency response from about 28 Hz to 40 Hz. After 40 Hz, your sub is tanking and not coming back to life again until about 90 Hz. Since moving your sub is really not an option, then you would have to try something like the SVS AS-EQ1 to try to eliminate the null. However, I am not a fan of trying to use EQ to fix that kind of a problem. EQ should really be used to cut peaks not try to fix nulls especially if you have to apply a lot of boost to fix the problem which looks like is what you will need to do. To fix your problem, you really need to move your sub to a different location. That's really only true way to deal with your sub's issue. You can try a second sub; but, before you do, try moving your current sub to the location where you would place your second sub and see what your sub's frequency response looks like there. I always caution with getting a second, third, fourth, etc.. sub when your sub locations have limits because it's possible you could get a second sub and your sub's chart could look worse because the subs could be canceling each other out. If that happens, then the only way to fix that is to move your subs around. So, if you do have another location that you can move your sub to, I strongly suggest you try that first. It's possible that you just need to move your sub a few inches to see a big difference in your chart. So, I suggest that you work with what you have as much as possible before spending additional money because spending additional money may still not get you what you are looking for. Remember, when it comes to the speakers and subs, it's all about LOCATION, LOCATION, LOCATION. EQ is only used as icing on the cake.

BTW, if you could post your Target View and your speaker trims that ARC set, that would be helpful too.

Originally Posted by thestewman 

Yes, there is a problem with the sub rolling off above 60-70Hz. And the bass impact most people want in a home theater is between 100 -150 Hz.
Please check that you have the sub in bypass mode by setting the Subwoofer Cut-Off Frequency above 150 Hz or into Bypass Option

Would you also go into the Anthem loudspeaker setup and post the crossover frequencies that are there.
Did you manually change any ARC cutoff frequencies or the crossover frequencies in the setup

Originally Posted by paradigm25 



This is my targets window:


I did not change crossover frequencies manually. I have the sub set to 120Hz (at the sub), because that is the maximum you can go on a Paradigm Sub25.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by paradigm25 



This is my targets window:


I did not change crossover frequencies manually. I have the sub set to 120Hz (at the sub), because that is the maximum you can go on a Paradigm Sub25.

Thank you.

Originally Posted by boyce89976 

Can I ask why you changed your ARC correction cutoff frequency to 10khz? You essentially have ARC slightly boosting treble frequencies between 5khz - 10khz for most of your speakers. This is a frequency range that can cause a thin/tinny sound perception, which may be part of the problem, particularly if your mic is causing the rolloff (which someone else suggested),which would mean you are boosting frequencies where it's not needed.

I would change that back to 5khz, as a first step, recalculate, save the new calculation as a different solution (ARC 1.16.13 5khz.xxx) and then load it as your ARC solution. This way, if you like the 10khz solution better, you still have it saved and can easily reload it.

Also, it's curious to me that ARC set your Sub Cutoff frequency to 80hz for a Sub 25. I'm not sure of the proper procedure to do this, but you might try raising your Sub Cutoff frequency in the targets window to 120hz, to get more of the low-mid bass (the impact frequencies) back into your sub... LFE signals range from 120hz down...

Originally Posted by paradigm25 

Yes, I forgot to mention, the charts I uploaded had MaxEq set at 10000KHz and Subwoofer High Pass order as Flat.

Here are the charts with default 5,000kHz, and Auto. I did set the test tone level at 75 before starting the measurements.





I think sub got worse with default.

Thank you for all the help here. It is amazing (I wish I could say that for the sound as well.).

Originally Posted by ninja12 

What kind of problem are you trying to fix for your sub? Maybe just changing your sub's location could fix your problem.

Originally Posted by paradigm25 

^My earlier charts were with sub set to flat and High Eq set to 10,000kHz. This latest one is for Auto and 5,000KHz. Do you mean to say you need to see with 5,000kHz and Flat?

Thanks. I will post D2v settings later today.

Originally Posted by paradigm25 

^My earlier charts were with sub set to flat and High Eq set to 10,000kHz. This latest one is for Auto and 5,000KHz. Do you mean to say you need to see with 5,000kHz and Flat?

Thanks. I will post D2v settings later today.

Originally Posted by SimonNo10 

It's not a problem just want to improve things if I can and wanted to know if the SMS-1 would help with that and improve my current measured curve so when I run ARC it will be the cherry on top so to speak. I have moved my 2 subs around the entire room (running QM) and their current location (Front corner right and back corner left) gave me the best result. Refer to graph:

Originally Posted by obie_fl 

Sound any better? I'm guessing your mains are in a corner? Try pulling them either into the room further or move them closer to the center. Also play with the toe in on the mains which can make a huge difference in imaging with some speakers. Your sub may not be doing as much as it can for two reasons the first being that null at 70hz and second the large room gain on your mains. ARC is likely rolling off the high end of your sub for those two reasons. Just out of curiosity what does you system sound like with ARC off? Did you ever post your crossover numbers just to make sure nothing is fishy there?

Originally Posted by boyce89976 

Yes. I suspect part of the problem was boosting high frequencies. Now with the sub set to "Auto" you are losing low frequencies (below 40hz). Set your sub back to flat, keeping the 5khz ARC limit.

Have you looked at your listening position to make sure it is in a suitable spot? You're MLP should not be close to a wall and should be a little farther from the FL and FR than they are apart. You also want to avoid multiples... rules of 1/3rd's usually work well.

Originally Posted by paradigm25 

Changing Hi EQ frequency makes some difference, but nothing major either way. That has been the problem. I did not do the crawl test at least not yet, but moving the sub is almost impossible, it's my family room as well. I will post the pictures of my room shortly.

All Xover frequencies are set at 60Hz in D2v, including LFE.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by paradigm25 

Changing Hi EQ frequency makes some difference, but nothing major either way. That has been the problem. I did not do the crawl test at least not yet, but moving the sub is almost impossible, it's my family room as well. I will post the pictures of my room shortly.

All Xover frequencies are set at 60Hz in D2v, including LFE.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by ninja12 

Anthem highly recommends not going above 5 kHz for Max Frequency because the mic is unreliable regardless of how good your charts looks above 5 kHz. Any readings above 5 kHz can't be trusted. As for your sub, the only way to fix your problem, I think, is to find a new location for your sub. The Sub 25 is very capable without a doubt. Just check out the link below which is Jayray's Sub 25. He was able to achieve that by moving his sub.

http://www.avsforum.com/image/id/328764

Originally Posted by boyce89976 

What is your setting for "bypass LFE Xover"?

Originally Posted by paradigm25 

No.

Originally Posted by paradigm25 

Changing Hi EQ frequency makes some difference, but nothing major either way. That has been the problem. I did not do the crawl test at least not yet, but moving the sub is almost impossible, it's my family room as well. I will post the pictures of my room shortly.

All Xover frequencies are set at 60Hz in D2v, including LFE.

Thanks.

Originally Posted by boyce89976 

That may be the flattest sub response curve ever! Nice job Jayray!

Originally Posted by thestewman 

This is is is absolutely wrong. Post the entire speaker setup xover frequencies as in the set up page
We have asked for this before several times

Originally Posted by paradigm25 

3a. Bass Management - Movie:

a. Adv Settings: ON
b. Fronts: Advanced
c. Center: Advanced
d. Surrounds: Advanced
e. Rears: None
f. Subs: 1 sub
g> Xover Freq: Advanced
h. Fronts Xover: 60 Hz
i. Center Xover: 60 Hz
j. Surnd Xover: 60 Hz
k. Rear Xover: NA
l. Sub/LFE Xover: 60 Hz
m. Sub Polarity: Normal
n. Sub Phase: 0 Deg
o. Bypass LEF Xover: No


Thanks.