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post #39871 of 42673
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

This is how I am set up now but with 2 measly MCA 50s bi-amped across my front S8s and C5

Same here but two A5s.

Jeremy
post #39872 of 42673
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Originally Posted by jo5507 View Post

I have to agree with Bob's advice on short interconnects and longer speaker cables. This link will offer some technical support.
http://www.empiricalaudio.com/computer-audio/audio-faqs/short-versus-long-cables

A summary paragraph ....
The graph shows that for medium cable lengths, the relationship of optimum speaker cable to interconnect length is (spkr) = 26+2.2(inter). This means that in order for both interconnects and speaker cables to be the optimum length, the speaker cable should be 2.2 times as long as the interconnect plus 26 feet. The obvious conclusion from this is that lengths shorter than 26 feet overall should be primarily speaker cable, with very short interconnects. If an overall length was 50 feet, then the optimum interconnect would be 7.5 feet and speaker cable would be 42.5 feet. The graph allows for more than 270 feet of speaker cable, but an abbreviated version of 150 feet is shown here for readability. Another conclusion that can be drawn from this is that it is more difficult and costly to manufacture a high-performance long interconnect than a high-performance long speaker cable.

This is one manufacturers viewpoint. Most importantly if you read the article you supplied they are talking about single ended Interconnects and we are specifically
talking about balanced interconnects. The one I like best and was recommended to me by Gary Koh the designer of Genesis Speakers is
Mogami Gold Stage Mic Cable with Neutrik XLR Connectors.
Edited by thestewman - 1/26/13 at 10:50am
post #39873 of 42673
Hi everyone,

I purchased a used 50V almost 2 years ago and have been mostly lurking in this thread ever since. Without the knowledge that I gained from all of you I probably would still be trying to set up ARC. But now I have run into an issue and need some help.

I have a 7.1 speaker system set up with my processor. My 50V had firmware 2.10 installed on it when I purchased it. Everything was functioning correctly except for the issues that we all had with firmware 2.10. About 4 months ago I installed firmware 3.09 after it became official. Of course then I experienced the low volume on startup bug with the 50V. I contacted Anthem when the bug became a annoyance and they gave me access to the password protected page and told me to install 309c, which I did.

Now, when bitstreaming a blu-ray disc with DTS 5.1 Master Audio my processor shows that it is receiving the 5.1 signal but it is sending 7.1 channels of audio. And indeed it is, as I have sound coming from my rear speakers. I am not sure which signals are being sent to the rears but I am guessing that it is the side channel signal split and sent to the rears. My mode is set to “none” so no additional modes are being implemented. Also when watching some previews on a disc that are encoded for just the left and right channels I am receiving 7 channels of sound. On the other hand when the source is Dolby Digital 5.1 or Dolby Digital HD 5.1, the proper signal is output. If I stream content from Vudu, in Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 the proper signal is output. I have 2 blu-ray players (Oppo 93 and a Sony BDP-790) connected to the 50V at HDMI in 1 and 2 and the results are the same from both of them. I realize that I could use PCM from the blu-ray players and probably correct the problem but I prefer the 50V to do the decoding
.
Anyone else experiencing this problem with 309c and a 7 channel set up? I did search this thread and Bob had found that when using 309c and the 6-channel analog input that there was a problem similar to this
post #39874 of 42673
I recently purchased a 2nd D2.
Can I use my current ARC software\mic with this unit?

I tried to contact tech support yesterday but their contact app wouldn't work from my work PC.

Thanks
post #39875 of 42673
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Originally Posted by Milt99 View Post

I recently purchased a 2nd D2.
Can I use my current ARC software\mic with this unit?

I tried to contact tech support yesterday but their contact app wouldn't work from my work PC.

Thanks
Did you mean that the webform located at: http://www.anthemav.com/Contact-Technical-Support
did not work from your work PC ? They usually take 2 or 3 days to respond.

Otherwise from what I know, the old D2 need to have a special license with the D2 serial and Microphone serial for ARC to work.
If your D2 was sold with ARC then support can generate a new license file for you if you lost it.
post #39876 of 42673
Thanks.

The deal with the web app was that is did not recognize that I had input anything into the text message window so it wouldn't send it.
I re-did it today on my home PC using Chrome and it worked fine.
At work I have IE 9.

I have no idea if the D2 I bought ever had ARC attached to it.
I'm gonna give it a shot tomorrow and see what happens.
Edited by Milt99 - 1/26/13 at 6:15pm
post #39877 of 42673
Has anyone have handshake issues with the Oppo 93 and D2v. I have occasional issues with the video and audio blanking out for about 1 seconds in the movie. I figured there was an issue between the D2v and the HDFury. I just bought a JVC RS56 and the screen and audio blanks out but between 2-5 seconds. The JVC seems to takes longer to recover. I'm guessing the issue is between the Oppo and the D2v. I'm going to try and use my 2nd HDMI directly to the RS56 and see if the video stays on and the audio fails. I've switched HDMI cables between the 93 and D2v about a year ago and it didn't help. I'm running the latest firmware on the 93 and the D2v is running 3.09f (whatever was current a month ago). Does anyone have any ideas on what I can change in the configuration that would make the connection more stable. Currently it's flanking out about 5-7 times during a movie. My DirecTV DVR doesn't see to have this problem nearly as much or it happens really infrequent. Any help would be appreciated.
post #39878 of 42673
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Originally Posted by steven2583 View Post

Has anyone have handshake issues with the Oppo 93 and D2v. I have occasional issues with the video and audio blanking out for about 1 seconds in the movie.

I doubt it, that is a very common combo around here. What title(s) did you get the dropouts on and are you bitstreaming or PCM?
post #39879 of 42673
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Originally Posted by jerbob View Post

Now, when bitstreaming a blu-ray disc with DTS 5.1 Master Audio my processor shows that it is receiving the 5.1 signal but it is sending 7.1 channels of audio.

What title(s)? Some movies have this fake 7.1 thing going on.
post #39880 of 42673
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Originally Posted by agrsiv95 View Post

Same here but two A5s.

Jeremy

Should be plenty of power. Biamped P2s seems like overkill.
post #39881 of 42673
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Originally Posted by gerard1meehan View Post

Bob,

I am a little confused by this. I am in the middle of building my Theater, and I will be utilizing a rack that is mounted in the wall. For my front speakers my plan was to bi-amp each of my S8s with one P2 for each speaker. From the discussions I have had with dealers and other folks they recommended running Balanced inter-connects to the amps, and then shorter speaker cable as this would maintain the quality of the signal. ( runs from rack about 75ft). For my surrounds and my center I will use a P5 mounted in the rack and run speaker wire from there to the respective speakers.

I am using Marshall Soundrunner speaker cable (10awg) for the speaker cable and just got my 500ft spool. The interconnects I will be using Mogami balanced (75ft)

What are your thoughts on this set up?

Gerard

The issue you could have with longer speaker cable runs is not signal loss, but noise, which is why they are suggesting long balanced runs... which is what balanced cables were designed for - rejecting noise over long cable runs. If your speaker wire is in the walls, you increase the chances of noise due to the electrical AC wiring in the walls. I'd suggest short speaker cables, and long XLRs.
post #39882 of 42673
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Originally Posted by Emosewa09 View Post

In the meantime, I'll read the FAQs and as much of the 1,300 pages of this thread as I can to get up to speed on ARC.

Since Anthem reads this site, I'll offer the suggestion that they need to expand the owner's manual. It's clear that the many nuances of the unit are not adequately covered in the manual. That is also clear from my conversations with Anthem tech support. For example, ARC is covered in only 4 pages. This thread is proof that ARC is not adequately covered in the manual.

The Lexicon MC-12HD, a product that is equally complex, has a manual twice as long. A thorough and well organized manual is preferable to having to read through a long thread, that by its very nature, is not organized by topic or subject.

You don't need to read 1300 pages. I would guess that 600 of the pages are HDMI or USB/serial converter issues, and another 600 are look at my ARC results posts wink.gif

Agree with you about the manual. That Lexicon manual really was a work of art!
post #39883 of 42673
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Bob
I seldom have a conflict with any of your suggestions or ideas but in this case I would not suggest to anyone they use short interconnects and 50 ft speaker cables.
Unless it is a home theater and you do not really want to hear audiophile sound for your music.
studlygoorite
My suggestion would be to use 50 ft Mogami Gold Stage Mic Cable with Neutrik XLR Connectors for your interconnects and a high quality speaker cable of about 3 to 6 feet in length
Gerald you are absolutely on the right track for a good sounding system. . Follow the dealer recommendation of long interconnects and short high quality speaker cable

Agreed. While I'm sure a good technical argument can be made for this or the other way, I would have said this was the "conventional" wisdom.
post #39884 of 42673
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Originally Posted by boyce89976 View Post

The issue you could have with longer speaker cable runs is not signal loss, but noise, which is why they are suggesting long balanced runs... which is what balanced cables were designed for - rejecting noise over long cable runs. If your speaker wire is in the walls, you increase the chances of noise due to the electrical AC wiring in the walls. I'd suggest short speaker cables, and long XLRs.

Right, but the assumption is:

1) there is noise present in the first place; and
2) the amps on the receiving end have good common mode noise rejection on their balanced inputs, which I think the Anthems do.
post #39885 of 42673
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Right, but the assumption is:

1) there is noise present in the first place; and
2) the amps on the receiving end have good common mode noise rejection on their balanced inputs, which I think the Anthems do.

Sorry, but I'm not sure what you're protesting? The OP said his 50' speaker cables are already run in-wall. Anytime you run speaker cable near AC wire, you'll get noise. And with 50' of length in-wall, he probably has at least 4 AC outlets to navigate. Aren't we both saying shorter speaker cables and longer XLR cables are the best solution?
post #39886 of 42673
Yes I said "right" so I was agreeing with you but added some caveats. It's not the balanced nature of the cables themselves that make them better but what the amp on the receiving end does with the signals.
post #39887 of 42673
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Yes I said "right" so I was agreeing with you but added some caveats. It's not the balanced nature of the cables themselves that make them better but what the amp on the receiving end does with the signals.

Ah, misunderstood, thanks for clarifying.
post #39888 of 42673
I still disagree, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to make a big deal out of it.

The noise environment for interconnects is VERY different from that for speaker cable simply because interconnects carry smaller voltages.

If you are going to run long interconnects, then using balanced interconnect cable is likely the way to go presuming the devices at either end of the cable do the right thing with that.
--Bob
post #39889 of 42673
It happens on almost every title I play. I was playing Cars DVD, Disappearance of Alice Creed, and American Pie tonight. The 93 is going to my DNLA(twonky) server on the NAS. I keep my DVD and bluray collection on a DLINK-323 NAS with twonky running on it. I should probably watch a title directly from disc and see if there is any difference. I have one of the firsts D2v that came out on the market. It has the older video board.

Audio is Bitstream
post #39890 of 42673
I have a couple of Netflix rentals here "The Lucky One" and "The Five-Year Engagement". They are both encoded with DTS Master Audio 5.1 and they both play back as DTS Master Audio 7.1. I recently watched " Sherlock Holmes" and "Headhunters" with the same result. 5.1 from the source and 7.1 coming out. The previews on all of these discs which are encoded with Dolby Digital 5.1 play back properly. Also streaming movies from Vudu which are encoded as Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus play back properly. It looks now that everything that is encoded as DTS Master Audio 5.1 is playing back as 7.1.
post #39891 of 42673
Could you have a look at my curves smile.gif and make any suggestions
Thanks Neale
Doc1.doc 402k .doc file
Edited by nrwatson - 1/27/13 at 10:41am
post #39892 of 42673
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I still disagree, but I don't feel strongly enough about it to make a big deal out of it.

The noise environment for interconnects is VERY different from that for speaker cable simply because interconnects carry smaller voltages.

If you are going to run long interconnects, then using balanced interconnect cable is likely the way to go presuming the devices at either end of the cable do the right thing with that.
--Bob
I still agree with Bob, but suggest the OP do more research to satisfy himself on the best approach. This issue has been debated forever and there are lot's of gut feel comments and unsupported statements floating around (not suggesting that's the case on this forum, just in general) I would be especially wary of comments from retail sales guy's who may have limited or no actual technical knowledge of the facts and will use lot's of wonderful audiophile descriptions.
Since he already has the speaker cable installed, I'd suggest trying it with short interconnects and see how it sounds. Perhaps you can borrow some long interconnects and try a comparison, recognizing that it's always difficult to reliably compare cables.
post #39893 of 42673
Quote:
Originally Posted by jerbob View Post

Hi everyone,

I purchased a used 50V almost 2 years ago and have been mostly lurking in this thread ever since. Without the knowledge that I gained from all of you I probably would still be trying to set up ARC. But now I have run into an issue and need some help.

I have a 7.1 speaker system set up with my processor. My 50V had firmware 2.10 installed on it when I purchased it. Everything was functioning correctly except for the issues that we all had with firmware 2.10. About 4 months ago I installed firmware 3.09 after it became official. Of course then I experienced the low volume on startup bug with the 50V. I contacted Anthem when the bug became a annoyance and they gave me access to the password protected page and told me to install 309c, which I did.

Now, when bitstreaming a blu-ray disc with DTS 5.1 Master Audio my processor shows that it is receiving the 5.1 signal but it is sending 7.1 channels of audio. And indeed it is, as I have sound coming from my rear speakers. I am not sure which signals are being sent to the rears but I am guessing that it is the side channel signal split and sent to the rears. My mode is set to “none” so no additional modes are being implemented. Also when watching some previews on a disc that are encoded for just the left and right channels I am receiving 7 channels of sound. On the other hand when the source is Dolby Digital 5.1 or Dolby Digital HD 5.1, the proper signal is output. If I stream content from Vudu, in Dolby Digital or Dolby Digital Plus 5.1 the proper signal is output. I have 2 blu-ray players (Oppo 93 and a Sony BDP-790) connected to the 50V at HDMI in 1 and 2 and the results are the same from both of them. I realize that I could use PCM from the blu-ray players and probably correct the problem but I prefer the 50V to do the decoding
.
Anyone else experiencing this problem with 309c and a 7 channel set up? I did search this thread and Bob had found that when using 309c and the 6-channel analog input that there was a problem similar to this

 

Please make sure PLIIx is turned off in the setup menu for that particular source you are playing. Its main job is to generate 2 extra channels from an initial 5.1 audio stream.

post #39894 of 42673
I run 7.1 with a 50v and occassionally ran into this problem. I upgraded to 3.09f and no problems since.
post #39895 of 42673
Hi all. I have an Anthem D2 that is going to be RMA'd for video board problems. For those of you that have dealt with Anthem from the USA, can you confirm that this is the correct shipping address for their freight-forwarder? The service is being covered by someone else on my behalf, but I wanted to make sure this was the valid address before sending it off!

PARADIGM c/o VANGUARD GLOBAL
308 SONWIL DRIVE
BUFFALO, NY 14225


Thanks.
post #39896 of 42673
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Originally Posted by dvcdude View Post

I run 7.1 with a 50v and occassionally ran into this problem. I upgraded to 3.09f and no problems since.

Yes, there were a number of additional DTS fixes in V3.09f.
--Bob
post #39897 of 42673
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Originally Posted by bigdaddy999 View Post

Hi all. I have an Anthem D2 that is going to be RMA'd for video board problems. For those of you that have dealt with Anthem from the USA, can you confirm that this is the correct shipping address for their freight-forwarder? The service is being covered by someone else on my behalf, but I wanted to make sure this was the valid address before sending it off!

PARADIGM c/o VANGUARD GLOBAL
308 SONWIL DRIVE
BUFFALO, NY 14225


Thanks.

Your best bet is to give Anthem Tech Support a call. Then you'll know for sure.
--Bob
post #39898 of 42673
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Please make sure PLIIx is turned off in the setup menu for that particular source you are playing. Its main job is to generate 2 extra channels from an initial 5.1 audio stream.
Thanks, but when I check mode status, it shows "None" which confirms that no additional modes are being applied.
post #39899 of 42673
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Originally Posted by dvcdude View Post

I run 7.1 with a 50v and occassionally ran into this problem. I upgraded to 3.09f and no problems since.
Thank you, I'll give 309f a try and post the results.
post #39900 of 42673
I am running 3.09c .
What are the fixes from that to 3.09f?
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