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Not interested in Non-RC DA or pre-pro....I did let go of NAD M15 since it did not have RC.

Thanks for your suggestion though....
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Micro-dropouts on the 50v:
I am experienced random and recurring micro-dropouts (something like vinyl ticks) throughout DTS-HD MA movies with 3.09c and 3.09f firmwares on the 50v. I flashed both of these back and forth to see if the flash process was to blame. The problem persisted. I tried 2 different blu-ray players and 2 different HDMI cables, several of the HDMI inputs on the 50v and the problem persisted. It was enough to annoy me as it happened throughout any films that employed this codec. I re-flashed it back down to 3.04b and the dropouts went away. Anyone else experiencing this?
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Originally Posted by asangamnerkar View Post

I always thought of 802s as two satellites sitting on top of two passive sub-woofers....

But you can't move them apart, as they are physically joined, or adjust the level of woof, therefore harder to find optimal placement.
Edited by AVfile - 2/22/13 at 11:27pm
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Originally Posted by Certz View Post

Micro-dropouts on the 50v:
I am experienced random and recurring micro-dropouts (something like vinyl ticks) throughout DTS-HD MA movies with 3.09c and 3.09f firmwares on the 50v. I flashed both of these back and forth to see if the flash process was to blame. The problem persisted. I tried 2 different blu-ray players and 2 different HDMI cables, several of the HDMI inputs on the 50v and the problem persisted. It was enough to annoy me as it happened throughout any films that employed this codec. I re-flashed it back down to 3.04b and the dropouts went away. Anyone else experiencing this?

Not hear smile.gif

You might want to keep an eye on it and try 3.09f again later.
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Originally Posted by tranle View Post

I have not run back to back measurement with win7 and win8. I usually re-do my arc measurement once every 3month or if have to move furniture around.
And they weren't worse when I switched to win8. If you have done a back to back measurement with just win7 and win8 as different parameters, you could zip up everything including your .arc and screen shot and send them to anthem support. They have tool to figure out if it is the microphone driver that is behaving differently or the arc software that is computing a different solution.

Have you checked your charts? Is there a volume diff from one to the other ..... do you lose the pop in your tunes when up loading the lower volume charts into your black box? I am not the slp monitor or guru and do not have the ultimate calibration bluray. I would love for someone to show me matching charts from win 7 to 8 and then same slp levels on the right cal cd, till then I need to run arc in windows 7.

Best regards
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would like some feedback on Speakers that work best with anthem d2v that don't necessarily break the bank. I have had to move and my last speakers were in walls and didn't want to remove them. . I am looking for something that is neutral and perhaps a bit airy. I have had tis for several years counting a d2 prior and love the unit and know it is capable of so much and would just like some general feedback knowing that hearing is subjective when it comes to speaker selection. This will be placed in a rather large room 19x40 so I have that to contend with. I can only do 5.1 due to the limitation of the room so 7.1 is out.'


Thanks
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Originally Posted by dlynch34 View Post

would like some feedback on Speakers that work best with anthem d2v that don't necessarily break the bank. I have had to move and my last speakers were in walls and didn't want to remove them. . I am looking for something that is neutral and perhaps a bit airy. I have had tis for several years counting a d2 prior and love the unit and know it is capable of so much and would just like some general feedback knowing that hearing is subjective when it comes to speaker selection. This will be placed in a rather large room 19x40 so I have that to contend with. I can only do 5.1 due to the limitation of the room so 7.1 is out.'


Thanks

Don, what do you define as not breaking the bank? There are lots of really great sounding speakers at different price points. At the room size you are indicating, you will do best will full range speakers to be able to push out more air than a bookshelf.
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

Don, what do you define as not breaking the bank? There are lots of really great sounding speakers at different price points. At the room size you are indicating, you will do best will full range speakers to be able to push out more air than a bookshelf.


Thanks for the response. I do know that a full range system is needed I would say something between 2-3k not including the sub is what I am looking around. I know this is a VERY subjective topic and not all speakers will sound the same in a different room but I would like to get some "general" input given the nature of this fine processor that we own smile.gif
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Originally Posted by dlynch34 View Post

Thanks for the response. I do know that a full range system is needed I would say something between 2-3k not including the sub is what I am looking around. I know this is a VERY subjective topic and not all speakers will sound the same in a different room but I would like to get some "general" input given the nature of this fine processor that we own smile.gif

That is not a lot to spend on a 5.1 system (not including the .1), and you probably won't find an "airy", "neutral" system for that price. For a little more than that you should look at GoldenEar - the heil tweeter is certainly "airy" although I wouldn't call the towers neutral, although you could go without a sub for a while with the towers.

Your room is large, but is that your listening area? If your listening area is not the whole room, I would not rule out a set of matched bookshelf speakers, something on the larger end, like P'digm Studio 20's or even the new Polk LSiM's.
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Originally Posted by dlynch34 View Post

Thanks for the response. I do know that a full range system is needed I would say something between 2-3k not including the sub is what I am looking around. I know this is a VERY subjective topic and not all speakers will sound the same in a different room but I would like to get some "general" input given the nature of this fine processor that we own smile.gif

If you're looking in that price range, I'd suggest one of two things:
  1. Look at the new Revel Performa 3s. By all accounts, they are stunning in both sound and in their new cabinets and finish. I'm a former Performa 2 owner before I upgraded to the Revel Ultima line and just cannot say enough good things about the Revels.
  2. Music Direct in Chicago is moving and they are blowing out many speakers. In particular are the Focals. They have the Electra 1027S for $3295/pair discounted new from $5,500. http://www.musicdirect.com/p-83552-focal-profile-918-diamond-black-pr.aspx They also have the Profile 918 Diamonds discounted from $5,000/pair to $2,999. The complementary bookshelf for each is likewise discounted at about 35%-40% off. http://www.musicdirect.com/p-83552-focal-profile-918-diamond-black-pr.aspx

Those two would be my personal preference off-hand. The other speakers that you may want to look at are the PSBs. However, I'd rather get a better speaker at a discount price, so the Focals in terms of bang for the buck would be my first choice.

The subs for both Revel and Focal to match the series are also excellent; however, I'd give a nod to the Revels given the lineage of the B15, which I personally own myself.
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I use a B&K Reference 200.7 power amp with my AVM50. My main setup is 5.1.

Is it possible, or advisable, to use the two unused channels on the B&K for driving remote speakers via the Anthem Zone 2 (or 3) analog audio out (balanced or unbalanced)? Zone 2 might be the same or a different source.

I don't know if this can create some sort of loop or other electrical problem.

Thanks,

- Mark
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Originally Posted by dlynch34 View Post

Thanks for the response. I do know that a full range system is needed I would say something between 2-3k not including the sub is what I am looking around. I know this is a VERY subjective topic and not all speakers will sound the same in a different room but I would like to get some "general" input given the nature of this fine processor that we own smile.gif
Don, is 2-3K per speaker or for 5 speakers? If you like the Anthem, take a look at Paradigm speakers ( same company as Anthem) They have a very good range in speakers at all price.
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Originally Posted by chileboy View Post

I use a B&K Reference 200.7 power amp with my AVM50. My main setup is 5.1.

Is it possible, or advisable, to use the two unused channels on the B&K for driving remote speakers via the Anthem Zone 2 (or 3) analog audio out (balanced or unbalanced)? Zone 2 might be the same or a different source.

I don't know if this can create some sort of loop or other electrical problem.

Thanks,

- Mark
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I do the exact thing and have never noticed an issue.
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Originally Posted by chileboy View Post

I use a B&K Reference 200.7 power amp with my AVM50. My main setup is 5.1.

Is it possible, or advisable, to use the two unused channels on the B&K for driving remote speakers via the Anthem Zone 2 (or 3) analog audio out (balanced or unbalanced)? Zone 2 might be the same or a different source.

I don't know if this can create some sort of loop or other electrical problem.

Thanks,

- Mark

You can do that without any issue. Maximize what you have. The only issue to be aware of (and this is not an Anthem or B&K issue is if you are using any volume control units for the remote zone. All of the volume control units (like those from Niles) generally don't like amps over 100wpc. So the only possible issue I'd see is if you are using an additional volume control.
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Originally Posted by chileboy View Post

I use a B&K Reference 200.7 power amp with my AVM50. My main setup is 5.1.

Is it possible, or advisable, to use the two unused channels on the B&K for driving remote speakers via the Anthem Zone 2 (or 3) analog audio out (balanced or unbalanced)? Zone 2 might be the same or a different source.

I don't know if this can create some sort of loop or other electrical problem.
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Originally Posted by xMEATx View Post

I do the exact thing and have never noticed an issue.
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Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

You can do that without any issue. Maximize what you have. The only issue to be aware of (and this is not an Anthem or B&K issue is if you are using any volume control units for the remote zone. All of the volume control units (like those from Niles) generally don't like amps over 100wpc. So the only possible issue I'd see is if you are using an additional volume control.

Great, thanks, and thanks for the caveat.

- Mark
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

But you can't move them apart, as they are physically joined, or adjust the level of woof, therefore harder to find optimal placement.

Agree. That's why wanted a processor that can help in taming the bass in a full range speaker....
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See update below, in later post

I received my new DV2 and finally completed the installation and wiring into my system. Haven't yet run ARC.

I have encountered a problem that I can't solve, and your help and advice would be greatly appreciated. I have two video units connected to the D2V, a Panasonic TC-P65VT30 plasma display, and a JVC DLA-HD750 projector. The Panasonic is connected to HDMI 1 Out and the JVC projector to HDMI 2 Out. The Panasonic can be used for 3D while the projector is 2D only.

My problem occurs when operating entirely in a 2D mode. NOTE that both the Panasonic and the JVC projector are connected ONLY using HDMI and NOT component, including for the projector. Also note that the behavior described below occurs with a Tivo that is connected to the Anthem via component, but is also occurs on Blu-Ray and DVD playes that are connected only through HDMI. In fact, the behavior described below is consistent for all components, regardless of whether they are connected with HDMI or component.

All of them either do or do not allow the use of OSD as consistently described below.

The on-screen display shows up on the Panasonic display only when the video configuration is set to HDMI. I used 1920x1080p 60. The rest of the settings are HDTV-auto-auto-black-normal-Zone 2.

The on-screen display does NOT show up on the projector when using the above. It only works when the video configuration is set to Component with the rest of the settings the same as above.

So if the configuration is set to HDMI, the Panasonic gets OSD, but the projector does not. If the configuration is set to component, the projector gets OSD but the Panasonic does not.

This is very annoying. Why is this happening? What do I need to do to get OSD for both display units, a Panasonic plasma and a JVC projector? Why does the projector require a video configuration of component, when it is receiving an HDMI signal?

I could run both units off of HDMI 1 output, rather than separating them on separate HDMI outputs, if that would make a difference. But why would it? Under that scenario, I could run them both on HDMI 2 output using an HDMI splitter. The Panasonic can take two inputs, so I could run a separate HDMI cable out of HDMI 1 output for 3D.

I have no idea if that would work, and more importantly, would like to know why a plasma display and a projector, that both are only connected via HDMI, can't both show OSD at the same time.

PS Many thanks for the great links and intro at the start of this thread. I have copied all of the ARC postings, and sub postings, into one word document. Once I add the video posts, I will share and post the word document, as it might be useful for other newbies to this this very loooong thread. At least for me, it was useful to copy all of the ARC posts into one document that I could consult.
Edited by Emosewa09 - 3/1/13 at 12:16pm
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If memory serves me right, OSD is ONLY available in HDMI on Input 1 - check manual (im not at home to check)

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I thought OSD was not supported on HDMI2.
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^ Correct. That's apparently a limitation of the hardware -- the graphics generator for the OSD only exists on the path to the HDMI 1 output.

(Since he doesn't have Component wires cabled, I'm not sure what he means when he says he can get OSD on the 2nd display if he sets it for Component.)
--Bob
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Originally Posted by Emosewa09 View Post

I received my new DV2 and finally completed the installation and wiring into my system. Haven't yet run ARC.

I have encountered a problem that I can't solve, and your help and advice would be greatly appreciated. I have two video units connected to the D2V, a Panasonic TC-P65VT30 plasma display, and a JVC DLA-HD750 projector. The Panasonic is connected to HDMI 1 Out and the JVC projector to HDMI 2 Out. The Panasonic can be used for 3D while the projector is 2D only.

My problem occurs when operating entirely in a 2D mode. NOTE that both the Panasonic and the JVC projector are connected ONLY using HDMI and NOT component, including for the projector. Also note that the behavior described below occurs with a Tivo that is connected to the Anthem via component, but is also occurs on Blu-Ray and DVD playes that are connected only through HDMI. In fact, the behavior described below is consistent for all components, regardless of whether they are connected with HDMI or component.

All of them either do or do not allow the use of OSD as consistently described below.

The on-screen display shows up on the Panasonic display only when the video configuration is set to HDMI. I used 1920x1080p 60. The rest of the settings are HDTV-auto-auto-black-normal-Zone 2.

The on-screen display does NOT show up on the projector when using the above. It only works when the video configuration is set to Component with the rest of the settings the same as above.

So if the configuration is set to HDMI, the Panasonic gets OSD, but the projector does not. If the configuration is set to component, the projector gets OSD but the Panasonic does not.

This is very annoying. Why is this happening? What do I need to do to get OSD for both display units, a Panasonic plasma and a JVC projector? Why does the projector require a video configuration of component, when it is receiving an HDMI signal?

I could run both units off of HDMI 1 output, rather than separating them on separate HDMI outputs, if that would make a difference. But why would it? Under that scenario, I could run them both on HDMI 2 output using an HDMI splitter. The Panasonic can take two inputs, so I could run a separate HDMI cable out of HDMI 1 output for 3D.

I have no idea if that would work, and more importantly, would like to know why a plasma display and a projector, that both are only connected via HDMI, can't both show OSD at the same time.

PS Many thanks for the great links and intro at the start of this thread. I have copied all of the ARC postings, and sub postings, into one word document. Once I add the video posts, I will share and post the word document, as it might be useful for other newbies to this this very loooong thread. At least for me, it was useful to copy all of the ARC posts into one document that I could consult.

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Originally Posted by Shrike645 View Post

I thought OSD was not supported on HDMI2.

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Correct. That's apparently a limitation of the hardware -- the graphics generator for the OSD only exists on the path to the HDMI 1 output.

(Since he doesn't have Component wires cabled, I'm not sure what he means when he says he can get OSD on the 2nd display if he sets it for Component.)
--Bob

Additionally to being limited to the HDMi 1 OUTPUT.
There is will be no OSD if using Passthrough on a D2v with the 3D board installed
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Anyone know how to access the "frame lock" function in fw 3.09?

I can see in "vid.proc." info tab that the output status shows "frame lock" as "inactive" yet in the output tab the option to change the frame lock setting has disappeared.
The frame lock setting has also disappeared from the quick access "mode" button.

Looks to me like the frame lock function has been removed completely as I just cannot find it anywhere in the menu or quick access buttons???

Cheers
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If I feel that I want a little more bass, does it mess up the current ARC solution, if I increase the sub output under Movie Bass Management menu, by a few db or is it better to increase the room gain setting? Thanks for your help.
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Originally Posted by xMEATx View Post

If I feel that I want a little more bass, does it mess up the current ARC solution, if I increase the sub output under Movie Bass Management menu, by a few db or is it better to increase the room gain setting? Thanks for your help.

I wouldn't do that. Try the LFE/SUB trim button on the remote. That way you can keep track of any adjustments YOU make after ARC.

edit: there are also the tone controls.
Edited by AVfile - 2/27/13 at 9:42am
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Originally Posted by asangamnerkar View Post

Agree. That's why wanted a processor that can help in taming the bass in a full range speaker....

Is it possible they are too big for the room or placed too close to a wall? No processor is going to be able to correct for unwise speaker choice / placement.
Anyway what did you think about Nick's post that I dug up on benefits of ARC over the competition - aren't you convinced yet??
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Originally Posted by MACCA350 View Post

Anyone know how to access the "frame lock" function in fw 3.09?

I can see in "vid.proc." info tab that the output status shows "frame lock" as "inactive" yet in the output tab the option to change the frame lock setting has disappeared.
The frame lock setting has also disappeared from the quick access "mode" button.

Looks to me like the frame lock function has been removed completely as I just cannot find it anywhere in the menu or quick access buttons???

Cheers

It's possible that it has been superseded by the whole passthrough option (which I am using now). I have not checked but assume it is gone.
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Originally Posted by Emosewa09 View Post

I received my new DV2 and finally completed the installation and wiring into my system.

Please tell me your D2v is not in a "hidden" installation so that you cannot see the front panel. Are both your displays in the same room? I know it is the "cool" thing to do, but unwise to rely on OSD as you are now painfully aware. Even if it did work, there is always the possibility that some items may appear only on the front panel and not the OSD. I know the MRX has this problem with the volume trims.
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

It's possible that it has been superseded by the whole passthrough option (which I am using now). I have not checked but assume it is gone.
Isn't the passthrough option only available if you have the 3D video board installed? If so that doesn't help me and many others. Also doesn't help those who wish to use the D2v's video processor.

Anyone know if frame lock is available in any of the beta fw after 3.09?

Cheers
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^ Frame Lock was pulled. I'm not exactly sure why.

It's still in the Manual, so perhaps they had hopes of restoring it.

ETA: I don't recall when in the Beta process that happened, and this change is not mentioned in the release notes for the various Beta releases.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 2/27/13 at 1:44pm
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Frame Lock was pulled. I'm not exactly sure why.

It's still in the Manual, so perhaps they had hopes of restoring it.

ETA: I don't recall when in the Beta process that happened, and this change is not mentioned in the release notes for the various Beta releases.
--Bob
That's a shame, I wonder if it was not intentional. Has anyone asked anthem about it?

Just when I've added a media player that has automatic framerate output based on the source. Now I'm constantly changing the D2v's framerate output to match the input, such a pain.

Cheers
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