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post #40501 of 42681
I'm surprised V3.10 is not out yet. But there were a couple comments posted here that Anthem Tech Support indicated at least one more Beta would happen first, so perhaps that's the reason.

Any firmware V3.09 or later will be fine for the 3D upgrade.
--Bob
post #40502 of 42681
Hello,

Anybody here installed the newer 3D kit for the older D2v's? The one that requires swapping the daughter and mother video board?
If so please contact me, I got a question.

Thanks
post #40503 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

Remapping is supposed to be overridden if the user wishes to apply PLIIx, etc. Has it been confirmed that the new remapping implementation actually blocks it?

No, as far as I'm concerned this has not been confirmed. Pretty sure tech support would be swamped with calls if they were to suddenly implement this after all these years, and I would at least expect an EXPLICIT note about it in the release notes.
post #40504 of 42681
I have tested it. And et seams to me that Roger are right . You Can aply PLIIx to the remappet DTS HDMR 5.1 mix. The Sound from the side and rears, changes a great deal. The display also saids DTS HDMR 5.1 + PLIIx .
A funny thing - when the DTS decoder uses remapping , and you stand witt the same distance to the side and rear you Can only hear the one speaker. But if you get closer to the one that i silence , you Can hear the Sound gets back. Is it comb filtering?
Edited by p.las - 4/11/13 at 10:56am
post #40505 of 42681

An interesting technical review of ARC ... http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/audio-calibration/audio-calibration-reviews/anthem-room-correction-arc-system-part-1.html


Edited by dmusoke - 4/11/13 at 4:31pm
post #40506 of 42681
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

citat Bob. Since you are ALREADY getting 7.1 output from the decoder, surround sound algorithms like PLIIx have nothing to do and don't activate
That would be true IF the remapping were happening in the BD player's HDMI output, but it does not.

Remapping is a post process in the same way as Neo:6 or PLIIx. The core decoder first outputs 5.1 audio, then the AV processor can access any of these additional processes. The only one it apparently cannot access is "none." wink.gif
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Originally Posted by p.las View Post

I have tested it. And et seams to me that Roger are right . You Can apply PLIIx to the remappet DTS HDMR 5.1 mix.
Great! Thanks for confirming.

As was the case with "Remap5" where the surrounds were mixed into fronts, I would expect that to continue whether PLIIx was on or off as they do not interfere with each other. But with Remap1, PLIIx replaces the spreading of surrounds to rears, so in effect is it not combining PLIIx with Remap1. It is PLIIx on top of the core 5.1 mix, with remap deactivated.
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A funny thing - when the DTS decoder uses remapping , and you stand with the same distance to the side and rear you Can only hear the one speaker. But if you get closer to the one that i silence , you Can hear the Sound gets back. Is it comb filtering?
It may be precedence effect, depending on the level and delay differences between the speakers. The nominal output for Remap1 is -3 dB equally to both the surrounds and rears. If the gain trims and delays create equal SPLs, you ought to get a phantom image between them.
post #40507 of 42681
OK, an update to my previous long note (post 40485) about problems with HDMI and my D2, and I"m starting to think it's the D2 - again/still, even tho it was just repaired by Anthem.

Turning on Verizon DVR/Cable box if wired by HDMI - no picture.

Verizon DVR/Cable box hooked by component - When I turn everything on, it works fine. From here, switching to the Blu-ray on HDMI works and I get picture and sound via HDMI

BUT

If I switch sources from the Blu-Ray back to cable (component), I get no picture. I have to go into the D2 setup screen and back out, then the picture shows up. Same thing for the DVD player also connected by component.

It's as if the HDMI processing clobbers the video scalar's ability to process and output and it's locked up or something.

I've tried other HDMI sources, same thing. I've tried all sorts of cable combinations of different HDMI cables in different spots in the setup. Same thing.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.
post #40508 of 42681
Quote:

Thanks for posting this! It's nice to see how well ARC stacks up and is confirmed by external measurements.
post #40509 of 42681
I'd like to revisit three questions that came up in light of this article from HomeTheaterHiFi as it regards the ARC advanced window:

My first two questions are about Room Gain.
  • I recall Bob (?) mentioning way, way back that you should try and have room gain at 2.5 to start with. So, to be clear, if you want to increase the bass response of the sub or system, then you increase the room gain? Is 2.5 still the recommended setting or go with ARC's default?
  • If you wanted to have your "Movie" config with more bass output "Music" and then apply either setting in the individual sources, , then you'd set the room gain up by about 2db in the Movies config in ARC?

My final question is about the "Flat" setting.
  • When would you change the setting of the sub to flat and likewise then change the fliter from auto to flat in the bottom of the target's wind
ow?
post #40510 of 42681
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Originally Posted by bigdaddy999 View Post

OK, an update to my previous long note (post 40485) about problems with HDMI and my D2, and I"m starting to think it's the D2 - again/still, even tho it was just repaired by Anthem.

Turning on Verizon DVR/Cable box if wired by HDMI - no picture.

Verizon DVR/Cable box hooked by component - When I turn everything on, it works fine. From here, switching to the Blu-ray on HDMI works and I get picture and sound via HDMI

BUT

If I switch sources from the Blu-Ray back to cable (component), I get no picture. I have to go into the D2 setup screen and back out, then the picture shows up. Same thing for the DVD player also connected by component.

It's as if the HDMI processing clobbers the video scalar's ability to process and output and it's locked up or something.

I've tried other HDMI sources, same thing. I've tried all sorts of cable combinations of different HDMI cables in different spots in the setup. Same thing.

Any thoughts?

Thanks.

Big Daddy

Please try this
Change all the following.

Go into source setup and Select : Video Output Configurations
Config #1
Make the following changes
S-video NTSC
Preferred HDMI
Resolution 1280 X 1080p60 (not 24)
Color space Auto
Data Auto
Output Auto
Letterbox Black
Sync Normal
Compnt2 Out Passthru

Delete ALL of your settings for #2, 3, and 4 as you only need #1

Make sure you confirm Changes

Then go to Source Setup and select each of your HDMI sources such as DVD1, TV1 etc. Do not skip any HDMI sources change ALL of them.
Change ALL the HDMI sources to Vid Out Cnfg to 1.
At this point all your sources using HDMI should have VID OUT as #1. No exceptions.

Save User Settings

Let us know
post #40511 of 42681
Will do.... Thanks.
post #40512 of 42681
Anyone having a problem with no audio if the source is set to video passthrough?
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Oppo 83 HDMI LPCM. No sound with disc playing, then sound starts when display (Lumagen Radiance) is turned on. Sound does not stop or pause when display is turned off.

I think I figured out why this problem sometimes happens and sometimes doesn't. If the source has a video output config selected, i.e. not bypassing the Anthem VXP, there is audio regardless if the display is on or not.

If the source has a video output set to THROUGH, i.e. bypassing the Anthem VXP, there is no audio until I turn on the display. Subsequently turning off the display does not interrupt the audio.
post #40513 of 42681
Quote:
Originally Posted by Thxtheater View Post

I'd like to revisit three questions that came up in light of this article from HomeTheaterHiFi as it regards the ARC advanced window:

My first two questions are about Room Gain.
  • I recall Bob (?) mentioning way, way back that you should try and have room gain at 2.5 to start with. So, to be clear, if you want to increase the bass response of the sub or system, then you increase the room gain? Is 2.5 still the recommended setting or go with ARC's default?
  • If you wanted to have your "Movie" config with more bass output "Music" and then apply either setting in the individual sources, , then you'd set the room gain up by about 2db in the Movies config in ARC?

My final question is about the "Flat" setting.
  • When would you change the setting of the sub to flat and likewise then change the fliter from auto to flat in the bottom of the target's wind
ow?

Your memory is not precise. biggrin.gif

The basic idea is that Room Gain is a desirable Room Response characteristic -- it's part of what makes you feel you are listening in a good room instead of outdoors or in an anechoic chamber.

ARC attempts to detect the ACTUAL Room Gain in your room and preserve it as part of the solution, even as it is working to eliminate other (undesirable) room response characteristics.

Now there are things that can happen in the Measured output of your speakers that may confuse this detection, so ARC has built in limits. For example, negative Room Gain has not useful physical meaning, so ARC won't assign a Room Gain below 0. And resonances or boomy speakers can make the inherent Room Gain appear too large, so ARC won't assign a Room Gain above 4dB -- which shows as a number a but under 4 in the Targets window for technical reasons.

TYPICAL Room Gains in listening rooms are in the range 2-4dB. Very large rooms or rooms with extensive bass treatments will be at the lower end.

Room Gain shows on the charts as the shallow hump in the Targets and Calculated curve near the crossover frequencies. The Room Gain value in Targets is simply the height of the peak of that hump (in dB) over the basic volume level of the solution (see the flat part in the mid frequencies to gauge this). The impact of Room Gain on what you hear is just what you would expect from the shape of that hump. More Room Gain means a higher hump and thus somewhat more bass, but not a lot -- the hump is too shallow to make a big change.

Now, going with what ARC decided to use for Room Gain should work just fine. But if the shape of the Measured curves leads you to believe ARC might have been fooled into assigning a Room Gain value too low or too high you can adjust it, re-Calculate, and re-Upload (no need to re-Measure).

Movie mixers typically assume a modest amount of Room Gain, and mix accordingly. So if ARC assigned a Room Gain near 0dB, raising that to 2dB or so will probably sound better. If ARC assigned a Room Gain near 4dB you can go with that or lower it a bit if you like.

Music mixers have no such consensus, but the Rule of Thumb is that Music tends to be mixed assuming less Room Gain. So if you'd like to play with that, assign a Music solution Room Gain, say, 1dB less than you are using for Movie.

If you want to push Room Gain, you can even assign a value above 4dB. ARC won't do that on its own, but you can.

Remember that Movie and Music are just names for two different solutions you can build in ARC. There is NOTHING different about the way ARC calculates those or applies those. They could just as well be named Fred and Ethel. So you are free to use the two solutions any way you want. Personally I have "Movie" for multi-channel content (films or music), and "Music" for stereo music content, but it's up to you how you want to use these two. Each Setup > Source Setup can be assigned to use either Movie or Music.


ARC provides a roll off of the lowest frequency output to the Sub to protect Subs that may not have their own internal protection against bottoming out when fed, say a 12 Hz tone. If your Sub measures well down to 20Hz (the left side of the chart) and you know it has its own internal protection for extremely low frequencies, then you can switch the Advanced sub filter from Auto to Flat, and get a little more output below 20Hz.
--Bob
post #40514 of 42681
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Anyone having a problem with no audio if the source is set to video passthrough?
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Oppo 83 HDMI LPCM. No sound with disc playing, then sound starts when display (Lumagen Radiance) is turned on. Sound does not stop or pause when display is turned off.

I think I figured out why this problem sometimes happens and sometimes doesn't. If the source has a video output config selected, i.e. not bypassing the Anthem VXP, there is audio regardless if the display is on or not.

If the source has a video output set to THROUGH, i.e. bypassing the Anthem VXP, there is no audio until I turn on the display. Subsequently turning off the display does not interrupt the audio.

That would be a bug. Let Anthem know. Even a THROUGH Source should be able to establish the HDMI handshake to pass audio to the Anthem while the Display is OFF.

There was a similar bug in the D2 at one point -- the Display had to be ON to get audio going, then you could turn OFF the Display to keep audio going.

There is a possibility that the bug is actually IN THE DISPLAY. This would be the case if the Display is keeping it's HDMI connection live while it is OFF, but not responding to the handshake enough for the Anthem to figure out the difference. Basically the display is acting AS IF it is ON, but not responding to Copy Protection. To test this, temporarily DISCONNECT the HDMI output to the Display and then see if your THROUGH Source will work for audio. Some Displays will do that if their HDMI input is set to allow HDMI CEC remote control commands.
--Bob
post #40515 of 42681
So thank you - some progress - Maybe

Now I can switch between the two HDMI's and the component inputs and get a picture, it seems. But then it'll stop showing the picture at all if I switch back to the component, AND same for the HDMI until I reboot the D2. So not reliable. I was switching sources, let them play for a bit, then switch again. Seemed OK until the image dropped again.

However, on power-up, I still get no video on an HDMI input. Sound yes. I can see the Anthem logo resize (I think?) on power-up as it goes to 1080p, but then there's no image other than the volume control text at the bottom of the screen. I tried switching HDMI ports also - no difference.

To get the image back, I have to switch to another source and back to get it to output an image. Or go into setup and out.

Power-up with a component input seems to be OK, but again, given the above, it is still not be acting right.
post #40516 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

The basic idea is that Room Gain is a desirable Room Response characteristic --
--Bob

You mentioned a while back that you do not need to redo your measurement to upload a 2.1 music, just use your 5.1 results and type No. When I run 10 point 5.1 and 2.1 the arc results are different for room gain and 5.1 gives 2.727434 and the 2.1 is set to 2.948734 (in the run I just checked). I have tried playing with these in the past and have always found what arc provides is not bad. It must be sensitive since it is to 6 decimal places, or someone programing precision that does not exist, maybe minor adjustment for me may lead to good results.

Thank you for the update on firmware, appreciated.

Regards
post #40517 of 42681

Does anyone know if the D2v provides the +10dB sub boost even in ANALOG-DIRECT mode? I know it does it when ARC is engaged. Reason I ask is I'm passing my 2CH audio from my oppo player un-processed by ARC and straight to my amps. I've set a +5dB trim in the oppo already and have set the speakers to small.

post #40518 of 42681
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Does anyone know if the D2v provides the +10dB sub boost even in ANALOG-DIRECT mode? I know it does it when ARC is engaged. Reason I ask is I'm passing my 2CH audio from my oppo player un-processed by ARC and straight to my amps. I've set a +5dB trim in the oppo already and have set the speakers to small.

David
I think you are becoming confused.
In ANALOG-DIRECT there is no ARC and no sub engaged.
If your listening to a 2 channel analog stereo signal from the OPPO being passed to the D2v and using Analog Direct there is no bass management in the OPPO.
And you would want to speakers set to large unless they were bookshelf speakers not capable of at least going to 40hz.

OPPO does say this in my manual
Speaker Configuration applies to the multi-channel analog audio outputs only. All digital
bitstream and LPCM outputs are unaffected by these settings.
post #40519 of 42681
Quote:
Originally Posted by bigdaddy999 View Post

So thank you - some progress - Maybe

Now I can switch between the two HDMI's and the component inputs and get a picture, it seems. But then it'll stop showing the picture at all if I switch back to the component, AND same for the HDMI until I reboot the D2. So not reliable. I was switching sources, let them play for a bit, then switch again. Seemed OK until the image dropped again.

However, on power-up, I still get no video on an HDMI input. Sound yes. I can see the Anthem logo resize (I think?) on power-up as it goes to 1080p, but then there's no image other than the volume control text at the bottom of the screen. I tried switching HDMI ports also - no difference.

To get the image back, I have to switch to another source and back to get it to output an image. Or go into setup and out.

Color space Auto
Data Auto
Output Auto

I would now try explicit settings for the above like:
HDTV
8-BIT
YCBCR 4:4:4

I suspect that your TV is not happy with one of the settings the D2 is choosing. This is also known to change when entering SETUP menus or DVR menus.
post #40520 of 42681
Quote:
Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

There is a possibility that the bug is actually IN THE DISPLAY. This would be the case if the Display is keeping it's HDMI connection live while it is OFF, but not responding to the handshake enough for the Anthem to figure out the difference. Basically the display is acting AS IF it is ON, but not responding to Copy Protection. To test this, temporarily DISCONNECT the HDMI output to the Display and then see if your THROUGH Source will work for audio. Some Displays will do that if their HDMI input is set to allow HDMI CEC remote control commands.
--Bob

You're onto something there - Sound starts as soon as I unplug the display (Lumagen Radiance) !

Thanks,
Stefan
post #40521 of 42681
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Quote:
Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Does anyone know if the D2v provides the +10dB sub boost even in ANALOG-DIRECT mode? I know it does it when ARC is engaged. Reason I ask is I'm passing my 2CH audio from my oppo player un-processed by ARC and straight to my amps. I've set a +5dB trim in the oppo already and have set the speakers to small.

David
I think you are becoming confused.
In ANALOG-DIRECT there is no ARC and no sub engaged.
If your listening to a 2 channel analog stereo signal from the OPPO being passed to the D2v and using Analog Direct there is no bass management in the OPPO.
And you would want to speakers set to large unless they were bookshelf speakers not capable of at least going to 40hz.

OPPO does say this in my manual
Speaker Configuration applies to the multi-channel analog audio outputs only. All digital
bitstream and LPCM outputs are unaffected by these settings.

 

Stew ...I apologize for the confusion and I will re-phrase my confusing question  . I'm running a stereo CD but using the Oppo bass management to get a 2.1 output(using the MCH outs) from the Oppo into the D2v set to ANALOG-DIRECT(A-D). The speakers are set to small in the Oppo. I set the sub trim to +5dB in the Oppo and was wondering if the D2v applied the standard +10dB boost on its sub inputs in the A-D mode.

post #40522 of 42681
Quote:
Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

You're onto something there - Sound starts as soon as I unplug the display (Lumagen Radiance) !

Thanks,
Stefan

Stefen

I checked my D2v set to THROUGH and using HDMI audio input connected to a Sony XBR and I have sound with the tv set off.
There is a slight delay when selecting the OPPO as the source gets the handshake, but there is audio all the time when the set is OFF.
post #40523 of 42681
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Stew ...I apologize for the confusion and I will re-phrase my confusing question  . I'm running a stereo CD but using the Oppo bass management to get a 2.1 output(using the MCH outs) from the Oppo into the D2v set to ANALOG-DIRECT(A-D). The speakers are set to small in the Oppo. I set the sub trim to +5dB in the Oppo and was wondering if the D2v applied the standard +10dB boost on its sub inputs in the A-D mode.

OK, I think I understand what you are doing. You are using the OPPO MCH Left & Right front outputs and the Sub output into the 6 chan S/E inputs on the
D2v to enable bass management etc in the OPPO. Correct ?
This allows you to set the fronts to small and enable the sub in the OPPO
Where I still see the problem is in the D2v as set to Analog Direct. There is no sub. If you used Analog Dig there would be a sub.
Except, if you select 6 chan S/E the D2v does display LFE input and Sub output even with Analog Dir but there is no LFE on most CDs and on my system I hear no sub.
Switch the audio from Analog-Dir to Analog -Dig and there is sub output.
post #40524 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

Hello everybody! An owner of Anthem D2v and P5 since more than a year ago, unfortunately due to different reasons just got my stuff unpacked and hooked up! The shear of the looks of the gear screams quality smile.gif

Now I would appreciate if someone could help me out with a little problem here...
I own a Pioneer Kuro KRP-600M monitor. Subsequently the monitor has no tv-tuner at all. And we all know that Anthem D2v does not have a tv-tuner either.
I get cable-tv from a simple RF-socket coming out off the living room wall. These are all analog signals I get for free. For the moment I do not want to pay for any extras or a digital box or anything.

I was thinking how to connect the analog tv signal to my Pioneer tv set via my D2v.
I do own a good old VCR player which does have an analog tv-tuner (receiver). I was thinking of hooking up my RF antenna cable with the analog signal to my VCR which has a Scart connection at its back, I got myself a Scart -> composite adapter, routed the composite cable to the D2v composite VCR input connection with the separate sound cables to the corresponding analog audio inputs of the D2v. I then connected the audio out from D2v to my P5.

So far I should be good, right?
Now comes the tricky part... I'm kinda 'novice stupid' when it comes to signal conversions I'm afraid... my question is, can I now get the video signal fed to my D2v via a video composte cable out from D2v via an HDMI cable to my tv-monitor? Or is that impossible since the composite video-in from my VCR feeds D2v with an analog signal so therefore I'd need to get the signal out from D2v via another composite cable to my monitor?
Does D2v also have ADCs or only DACs? I'm not sure what happens to an analog video signal which is being fed into D2v pre-amp... setting up the gear via HDMI simply does not give me any signal at all on my Pioneer monitor.
That's why I'm suspecting that an anaolg signal needs to be taken from D2v by a composite analog connection...

Another way of solving the problem might be to get an active Scart -> HDMI convertor, but such a converter costs a lot more than a simple composite video cable and also I won't be gaining any signal improvements anyway since the analog RF signal that is being fed from the wall antenna socket is already the worse signal source possible!

So would some kind soul please explain to a home-theatre novice what signal conversions actually happen in a D2v?!
I would highly appreciate any kinda help and advice smile.gif

Well hello everyone once more... I quoted my earlier post here in order to relate this one to the above as well.
There seems to be something terribbly fundamental which I'm missing regarding how a video and stereo signal is being put through Anthem D2v and most definitely there are some adjustments I can't figure out how to make... since I can't for my life get anything out of my pre-amp or amp (P5).

I finally got a combined VHS-DVD player with a funtional analog tv-tuner since I get analog cable tv from the wall... my RF antenna cable for my analog cable signal is then connected to my player's RF-in.
All I ever wanted was to somehow pass the analog tv video signal through D2v and then to my tv-monitor (which does not have any kind of tv-tuner whatsoever).
As I understand I need to have at least an S-video in-signal for D2v to give me some kind of a 'processed' signal out for... let's say an HDMI connection to my monitor... correct? Well I have not tried the S-video connection yet since I don't have a spare cable and the RF-in signal as my souce signal with all certainty is already inferior to what I would get out of S-video... so I never bothered.

But shouldn't I at least be able to feed the video signal to my D2v from the player via an ordinary yellow-colored composite cable?? I stick that cable into one of the 'Composite Video In' (VCR or DVD) connections. Then I was hoping that D2v would simply send the same composite video signal out and into my tv-monitor throgh another composite cable I would connect via 'Composite Video Out', for me in order to have a video picture signal on my monitor!

Well, here's the thing... if I connect my VHS-DVD player to my tv-monitor DIRECTLY through the same composite cable, then everything works just fine... I have tuned in all my analog tv-channels with no problem at all and I at least have picture.
But taking a detour and going through D2v as explained above (Player's video signal out-D2v composite in-D2v composite out-to tv) then NOTHING happens! No picture and no signal ever goes through to my tv monitor frown.gif

Is there a separate setting somewhere I need to provide that would tell the D2v to just pass through the analog video signal and then out to the monitor without processing? I thought analog composite signal in never became processed anyway? Or is the signal is still being processed to something else and I need to think differently???
I'm sorry guys if this simply seems to be tooo darn fundamental for eveyone else here but I'd like to think that I'm fairly logical... I just can not figure it out!

Plz advise how I should make the connections! For the time being I'm not gonna get any digital boxes for some time in the near future and even though I could try S-video connection, but still the signal routing remains the same and I'm no longer sure whether I'm even in the right path with this...
I know the alternative would be of course to simply forget about D2v and connect the player to my monitor directly... which gives me picture... but I'd still like to know why I can not route the signal through D2v!??
And BTW while still on the same subject... what settings do I need to choose on the D2v itself anyways?
Even though I feed the pre-amp with clearly an analog video signal and connect the composite cable to the composite in for VCR or DVD, the D2v always indicates a 'DIGITAL' VCR or DVD setting on its display... doesn't it distinguish between the two?? Whould I even be bothered?!

Also, regarding the sound signal... since my monitor does not have any speakers either, here I HAVE to at least get some sound out of my Anthem set-up!
I tried an ordinary red/white analog stereo sound cable which I connected from the player's stereo sound output to my D2v (Analog Audio In - does it matter whether I choose the DVD or VCR as long as it's analog audio in?) and then I've tried both the 'Analog Audio Out' and also the left & right connections of the 'Main Audio Out' to my P5's corresponding analog-in connections, which are in turn then connected to my speakers... no matter what I do I get NO sound out of anything either frown.gif But I do hear some statics from my speakers while connecting the cables so ratinally there does not seem to be any hardware issue...

I apologize for yet another lengthy post here... but I really need some directions from you guys... unfortunately there is no Anthem customer service where I live here in Europe for an 'over-the-phone' direction... and I'm going out of my mind! If I have to take a guess I suspect some faulty settings on my D2v and I think I've wired my components correctly, but I'm in need of big help!

Many regards,
/B.
Edited by Bittornado - 4/13/13 at 7:32am
post #40525 of 42681
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

Well hello everyone once more... I quoted my earlier post here in order to relate this one to the above as well.
There seems to be something terribbly fundamental which I'm missing regarding how a video and stereo signal is being put through Anthem D2v and most definitely there are some adjustments I can't figure out how to make... since I can't for my life get anything out of my pre-amp or amp (P5).

I finally got a combined VHS-DVD player with a funtional analog tv-tuner since I get analog cable tv from the wall... my RF antenna cable for my analog cable signal is then connected to my player's RF-in.
All I ever wanted was to somehow pass the analog tv video signal through D2v and then to my tv-monitor (which does not have any kind of tv-tuner whatsoever).
As I understand I need to have at least an S-video in-signal for D2v to give me some kind of a 'processed' signal out for... let's say an HDMI connection to my monitor... correct? Well I have not tried the S-video connection yet since I don't have a spare cable and the RF-in signal as my souce signal with all certainty is already inferior to what I would get out of S-video... so I never bothered.

But shouldn't I at least be able to feed the video signal to my D2v from the player via an ordinary yellow-colored composite cable?? I stick that cable into one of the 'Composite Video In' (VCR or DVD) connections. Then I was hoping that D2v would simply send the same composite video signal out and into my tv-monitor throgh another composite cable I would connect via 'Composite Video Out', for me in order to have a video picture signal on my monitor!

Well, here's the thing... if I connect my VHS-DVD player to my tv-monitor DIRECTLY through the same composite cable, then everything works just fine... I have tuned in all my analog tv-channels with no problem at all and I at least have picture.
But taking a detour and going through D2v as explained above (Player's video signal out-D2v composite in-D2v composite out-to tv) then NOTHING happens! No picture and no signal ever goes through to my tv monitor frown.gif

Is there a separate setting somewhere I need to provide that would tell the D2v to just pass through the analog video signal and then out to the monitor without processing? I thought analog composite signal in never became processed anyway? Or is the signal is still being processed to something else and I need to think differently???
I'm sorry guys if this simply seems to be tooo darn fundamental for eveyone else here but I'd like to think that I'm fairly logical... I just can not figure it out!

Plz advise how I should make the connections! For the time being I'm not gonna get any digital boxes for some time in the near future and even though I could try S-video connection, but still the signal routing remains the same and I'm no longer sure whether I'm even in the right path with this...
I know the alternative would be of course to simply forget about D2v and connect the player to my monitor directly... which gives me picture... but I'd still like to know why I can not route the signal through D2v!??
And BTW while still on the same subject... what settings do I need to choose on the D2v itself anyways?
Even though I feed the pre-amp with clearly an analog video signal and connect the composite cable to the composite in for VCR or DVD, the D2v always indicates a 'DIGITAL' VCR or DVD setting on its display... doesn't it distinguish between the two?? Whould I even be bothered?!

Also, regarding the sound signal... since my monitor does not have any speakers either, here I HAVE to at least get some sound out of my Anthem set-up!
I tried an ordinary red/white analog stereo sound cable which I connected from the player's stereo sound output to my D2v (Analog Audio In - does it matter whether I choose the DVD or VCR as long as it's analog audio in?) and then I've tried both the 'Analog Audio Out' and also the left & right connections of the 'Main Audio Out' to my P5's corresponding analog-in connections, which are in turn then connected to my speakers... no matter what I do I get NO sound out of anything either frown.gif But I do hear some statics from my speakers while connecting the cables so ratinally there does not seem to be any hardware issue...

I apologize for yet another lengthy post here... but I really need some directions from you guys... unfortunately there is no Anthem customer service where I live here in Europe for an 'over-the-phone' direction... and I'm going out of my mind! If I have to take a guess I suspect some faulty settings on my D2v and I think I've wired my components correctly, but I'm in need of big help!

Many regards,
/B.[/quote

]I am not trying to be a wise guy but it appears you have not read or do not have the Anthem users manual.
You do need to read it and absorb what it says so you understand at least the basics as the Anthem is complicated.
If you do not have the manual it can be downloaded from the Anthem web site.
I encourage you to read it and then maybe we can assist you after you get the basics.
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Well believe me, I have read probably 90% of the manual material. What confuses me I think is that I'm actually feeding D2v with a fully analog signal which is probably not so common these days.. so my brains somehow do not comprehend what actually happens in there.
I'm not trying to be lazy or comfortable, I have tried all sort of things for the past 2 weeks with no success... so at least give me the courtesy to please direct me to some particular part of the manual which you believe I should read on all over again that would relate to my issues...?
I'm not even sure what I'm doing wrong... I'm not a tech guy or a home-theatre expert nor a genius, but I do want to enjoy great sound quality and learn!
But the manual does not help me understand where to go from here... sorry for my stupidity but I'm here because I need help sir smile.gif
post #40527 of 42681
D-2 problem......very reduced output on Rear Left, 10db or more. Have reloaded factory defaults, then firmware 1.33 to no avail. Next step, will rerun ARC to see what happens. Anyone ever heard/seen this? Any ideas?
TJG
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

Well believe me, I have read probably 90% of the manual material. What confuses me I think is that I'm actually feeding D2v with a fully analog signal which is probably not so common these days.. so my brains somehow do not comprehend what actually happens in there.
I'm not trying to be lazy or comfortable, I have tried all sort of things for the past 2 weeks with no success... so at least give me the courtesy to please direct me to some particular part of the manual which you believe I should read on all over again that would relate to my issues...?
I'm not even sure what I'm doing wrong... I'm not a tech guy or a home-theatre expert nor a genius, but I do want to enjoy great sound quality and learn!
But the manual does not help me understand where to go from here... sorry for my stupidity but I'm here because I need help sir smile.gif

 

Bittornado:

 

1.  Are you sure you are getting a video signal output from your VCR? To prove so, simply male a direct connection from VCR to the TV's composite input(since the 600M doesn't have the better quality s-video) and select that input from the TV remote. Are you getting video? If not, problem solved. If video is present, good and time to move on to step #2.

 

2. If your VCR has s-video use it instead and connect the signal into one of the 7 s-video inputs of the D2v.For this example, lets use the TV input of the D2v.

If you don't have an s-video cable, then stop and go buy one as it'll give you the maximum PQ from a 480i video source. We are self respecting video-philes heresmile.gif!!!

 

3. Enter the setup  menu of the Anthem unit by pressing the MENU button and go to Video Output -> Video out Config 1.

   

    OSD: NTSC (or PAL if you are in Europe/PAL region)

    Preferred: HDMI

    Res:1920x1080px60 ( or 50 if in Europe/PAL region)

    Color space: AUTO for now.

    Data: Studio RGB for Kuro monitors...The rest is left at default.

 

4. Quit menu and go to Source Setup -> TV1

   

     Rename: < Make up a easy name for this input>

     Video out cnfg:1

     Scaler Input : S-Video

     S-Video In: TV

     Audio IN: AnlgDSP

     Auto DIG: None

    Analog Audio: TV (i,e If you plugged the RCA audio cables from the VCR into the TV input of the Analog Audio IN of the D2v).

    Muting: MIN.

 

5. That's should be it and you should be getting audio and video from your VCR.

 

Note: The D2v will upscale your analog S-video 480i input (or 576i if in Europe/PAL region) into a 1080p signal on your HDMI output. The VXP processor is an excellent upscaler and will do a better job of up-scaling video to 1080p than your 600M plasma.

 

Hope the above helps ... Good luck!

 

- David

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Originally Posted by TJG55 View Post

D-2 problem......very reduced output on Rear Left, 10db or more. Have reloaded factory defaults, then firmware 1.33 to no avail. Next step, will rerun ARC to see what happens. Anyone ever heard/seen this? Any ideas?
TJG

 

Could be a broken speaker or (gulp!) broken Rear Left output on the D2v. I would run the speaker level tests in the setup screen and swap RL with RR at the amp or D2v and see if the problem tracks. If so, you have a broken D2v output. If not you have a broken speaker(preferred option of the two).

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David,
Thank you a million times for taking time and describing the details.

Yes, as mentioned in my earlier post, upon connecting the VCR/DVD directly to my monitor I do get picture and all available cable channels, that's why I was sure I didn't know how to handle my pre-amp.
I think I understand the settings now... just dunno how I would have come up with the same result all by my own! Sorry but sometimes just reading a manual does not add much to one's general understanding...

Just 3 more quick questions if I may:
1. The VCR/DVD set I'm using right now is not mine. I'm just about to buy a used set which does not have S-video. It will however have component outputs which I believe is for the DVD part of the combo set. Can I use component instead of S-video? I'm still using an analog signal output right? And then I just change the settings in your post above accordingly to go with a component connection instead of S-video?
2. Also, is there a difference between the analog in-connectors of the D2v? Whether it's VCR, DVD or TV in, does it matter whichever I would use... as long as I'm doing a composite or S-video connection?
3. Since I'm actually using a RF cable antenna signal as source, will I notice a big difference if I go HDMI from Dv2 to 600M plasma vs component connection from Dv2 to the monitor as well as component VCR->D2v? Would the latter alternative automatically render the plasma monitor doing the up-scaling instead, thus somewhat inferior picture quality?

Tremendous many thanks for your time and patience sir!
Sincerely,
/Seb
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