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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

The DSPs probably don't have the bandwidth to process at all eight audio channels at 192K? But if that's the case, then LPCM input data @24b/192K would have to be down-sampled to 24b/96K for ARC processing... Maybe you should ask Anthem as I might have exhausted my questions quota:)

By definition DSP entails all the ADC and DAC processing so what Anthem is saying or the terms we are using and what we are attempting to sort out is confusing.

 

Stu:

 

I'm using the DSP term in a literal sense. I'm talking about the 56-bit dual Motorola DSP chips they use to run their software algorithms including ARC and the various Dolby and THX surround modes. No signal processing is going on in the ADC or the DAC. Changing the sampling modes or rates in a DAC is not termed as digital signal processing per se.

post #40592 of 42686
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Part 2 of ARC's in depth review:

http://www.hometheaterhifi.com/audio-calibration/audio-calibration-reviews/anthem-room-correction-arc-including-a-subwoofer/all-pages.html

 


 

Conclusions on the Performance of ARC with a Subwoofer

 

I have presented a significant number of graphs in this section. They represent only a small population of the measurements I made to confirm the ARC system is able to join main channels (four different speakers tested) and a subwoofer (two models tested) seamlessly. Of the room correction systems I have tested, only the Anthem ARC has the ability to create the correct filter shapes for each channel correctly, with the corresponding flat total response curve. This result is achieved at any sensible crossover frequency chosen by the user - an option not available in some room correction systems. A few room-independent room EQ components selling for well into five figures for eight channels may be able to produce these results, but I have not tested them. Such independent components introduce a redundant ADC and DAC into the system that could affect sound quality. This is why it is critical that the state-of-the-art room correction system, such as ARC, be internal to the AVR or Pre/Pro

 

Many other reviewers have tested ARC-enabled products and provided subjective impressions, so I will provide only a simple observation. Before the Anthem ARC, I had never heard a system with a subwoofer that had not been degraded in the crossover area. To me, this degradation from other room correction systems I have had access to, was far more significant than the extension of the bottom end. I am not the only one who appears to have come to this conclusion. How many equipment reviewers who work in the domain of two-channel music systems are using subwoofers?  If these reviewers had access to an Anthem product with ARC, some minds might be changed.

post #40593 of 42686
^ Very nice! smile.gif

- Mark
post #40594 of 42686
Hi,

Has anybody encountered a "no audio" situation with discs encoded with DTS-HD 2.0 tracks specifically from Warner Bros studios? LPCM plays fine though.

So far, I've experienced this issue with 2 such discs. No problem with discs from the other studios at all.

Ben
post #40595 of 42686
I've noticed the display shows "NO SIGNAL" with 2.0 and 1.0 tracks yet there is sound, i.e. just another display bug.

Yes I have the latest FW 3.09h
post #40596 of 42686
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

I've noticed the display shows "NO SIGNAL" with 2.0 and 1.0 tracks yet there is sound, i.e. just another display bug.

Yes I have the latest FW 3.09h

On my D2v, the display shows correctly DTS-HD Stereo, but there is no sound, only picture. Occasionally, there's a beep, as if the sound is trying to get out, but is blocked. This issue happens only on my 2 Warner discs. I have to configure output from the Oppo to LPCM to get sound.

The other discs with such tracks from 20th Century and other studios are fine.

Looks to me like there's something about the Warner discs that the D2v doesn't like. Am still using the official firmware.

Ben
post #40597 of 42686
Hopefully someone else chimes in because I am stumped! You should mention the titles in case someone else has them.
post #40598 of 42686
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

Hopefully someone else chimes in because I am stumped! You should mention the titles in case someone else has them.

The no sound discs -

Grumpy Old Men (Warner Bros)
Clash of the Titans (1981) (Warner Bros)

The ok discs -

El Mariachi (Columbia Pics)
Indian Summer (Mill Creek)
The Man From Snowy River (20 Century Fox)
Mystic Pizza (MGM)

All 6 dics have DTS-HD 2.0 sound tracks.

Ben
post #40599 of 42686
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

Seb:

I'm totally shocked that Sweden, the home country of all beautiful blonde babes we idolized as teenager(biggrin.gif ) is so backwards in its TV delivery services!!! I mean, this is the country of ABBA, Nokia(?) and other goodies?

Man, anyways, if you plane to get a USB base TV tuner, Amazon Germany is the closest to you and I have found a few highly rated ones (4 stars and above) for you at http://www.amazon.de/gp/search/ref=sr_nr_p_n_feature_four_bro_mrr_0?rh=n%3A1197292%2Ck%3Atv+tuner%2Cp_n_feature_four_browse-bin%3A181071031&keywords=tv+tuner&ie=UTF8&qid=1365974155&rnid=181070031#/ref=sr_nr_p_72_0?rh=n%3A562066%2Ck%3Atv+tuner%2Cp_72%3A419117031&keywords=tv+tuner&ie=UTF8&qid=1365974299&rnid=419116031

You can further sort them out for free shipping and the price point you want to pay and also if you want to buy a new or used unit. Prices seem to be reasonable(?) at under 50 euros for most. Some of these are have SCART connectors and not sure if the 600M has one. If so, then your setup would be simplified greatly and not have to worry about turning on a PC to watch TV.

In general regarding USB TV tuner sticks, you plug the RF cable at one end of the USB stick and out comes the TV signal displayed on your laptop/computer . You may then connect the HDMI/Composite output of the laptop/Computer to the D2v HDMI and composite inputs respectively.
Too bad the 600M doesn't have USB inputs for  then you'd be able to connect the USB tuner stick directly to the plasma directly!

As a solution to the above, you may look into USB-to-HDMI cables for cheap here at http://www.amazon.de/s/ref=nb_sb_noss?__mk_de_DE=%C3%85M%C3%85Z%C3%95%C3%91&url=search-alias%3Delectronics&field-keywords=usb%20to%20hdmi%20adapter#/ref=sr_nr_p_72_0?rh=n%3A562066%2Ck%3Ausb+to+hdmi+adapter%2Cp_72%3A419117031&keywords=usb+to+hdmi+adapter&ie=UTF8&qid=1365977456&rnid=419116031


Then plug into your 600M or D2v HDMI inputs and you are done!

Anyways, best of luck in your search for the perfect solution for now ...

Regards,
David

Hi David!
Thanks again for the help and for your reply... well, what can I say?! Many people including myself once considered Sweden to be one of the most advanced and industrialized countries in the world. Heck Swedes even built their own fighter jet planes! Name any other country in the world with a total population of only 9 million people to build their own fighter jet planes! The country went from a very poor and total disaster to become one of the best countries in the world regarding health-care phones mobiles internet wood/paper/robot/car industry in just 45 yrs... the only problem was that EVERYTHING has been built on the idea of taxation. After Norway we have the highest tax payers in the world... and now that other rising countries are taking over the production labor role and doing it very cheaply as well, Sweden suddenly has no competitive power left because even making a chewing gum costs about 10 times more here than in China and India! So now the majority of that advanced high ranked industry has been either sold out or wiped out, and we're left with basically nothing but Ericsson (Nokia is a Finnish company btw!) and SAAB... the former operates now mainly abroad, the latter is desperately trying to sell weapons to the third world countries in the most bizarre ways! No more ABBA, nor more Bjorn Borg (the highest ranked tennis player from Sweden nowadays is a 500-ranked guy... compare that to the mid 80:s when Sweden had 6 of the top ten highest ranking players in the world!)...

Anyways, since we're now all about paying more and more taxes with nothing in return, and since we joined EU in mid 90:s and now we're all tangled up in paying for other EU countries catastrophic economical situation with our tax money... we basically have no export industry left to talk about. Everything is being stripped down to margins... and since we don't have natural resources like gas and oil to sell (like Norway does)... and since starting companies is very expensive with high taxes and since it simply costs too much to hire employees... there are no dealers left to sell anything but basic food and clothing. Everything else and you have to go abroad. Unfortunately Sweden is far from its original force some 20 yrs ago...


Anyways, since I do not have a computer or lap top near my tv monitor in the living room, I was thinking of maybe acquiring a blu-ray with usb ports instead if that could work... then I'll get one of those RF/USB sticks and rount the signal through a blu-ray set. That way I would even get a blu-ray player at the same time...
I just don't know whether a blu-ray set is able to just pass an analog video signal through to the D2v? Would that really work? I mean a blu-ray player is not natively made for handling analog RF video signals...
post #40600 of 42686
Two questions

For some reason sometimes when I switch channels on my Direct TV Box my D2v displays a 2.0 audio source, and when I hit the volume is goes to 5.1 (on 5.1 sources, 2,0 sources are set to Anthem Cinema and no issue)

I am using an HDMI between the source and the anthem, and I am of firmwear 3.09h (it started on 3.09 official release)

So anyone else experience this?

Also any ARC updates on the horizon?

Thanks

Gerard
post #40601 of 42686
^^ I have a similar issue with my directv sat box, sometimes show 2.0 on the front panel display. Any interaction with the remote seems to correct the display. I noticed prior to changing to Fw 3.09.
post #40602 of 42686
Hi guys. Everything has been working perfectly for awhile now and loving the D2v, but my brother came over and brought his PS3 (slim) to play the new game Injustice on my main HT system but we ran into one problem no sound or picture. I upgraded my projector to a new JVC X-35 late last year and has been working fine with only my Oppo BD-95 player connected. The projector didn't ship with the newer firmware which addresses a 3D ghosting issue but I have no interest in 3D so didn't ship it back to have it installed. So I unplugged the Oppo from HDMI 1 (input) after trying input 2 and got nothing but same result with the PS3. I tried low video settings on the D2v but nothing worked. I'm not entirely convinced it's the D2v as I plugged the PS3 straight into the projectors HDMI-2 and got no picture so I'm thinking it's the projector, but wouldn't the audio aspect work through the D2v regardless of this when the PS3 is connected to the D2v? My setup is simple with just the Oppo and X-35 connected to the Anthem (projector into HDMI-1 (output) and Oppo in HDMI-1 (input).

I gave up last night and just connected the PS3 to my 32" Sony tv and everything worked so had to settle with that using just the TV's speakers. If it worked with the Sony (1080p Tv and same HDMI cable) then it should have worked in my main setup. Any ideas?
post #40603 of 42686
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Anyways, since I do not have a computer or lap top near my tv monitor in the living room, I was thinking of maybe acquiring a blu-ray with usb ports instead if that could work... then I'll get one of those RF/USB sticks and rount the signal through a blu-ray set. That way I would even get a blu-ray player at the same time...
I just don't know whether a blu-ray set is able to just pass an analog video signal through to the D2v? Would that really work? I mean a blu-ray player is not natively made for handling analog RF video signals...

 

Best to call up the manufacturer and see if their RF/USB device can be viewed as a storage device by a bluray player...sad about the decline of Swedenredface.gif!

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I have some info.

Recently changed my component hdmi to redmere (mono price ultraslims 3') . I would say that I do not believe in cables worth the investment however these computer chip hdmi are definitely worth a test. They are so diff that I will recal the Samsung

Regards
post #40605 of 42686
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

By definition DSP entails all the ADC and DAC processing so what Anthem is saying or the terms we are using and what we are attempting to sort out is confusing.

ADC = analog to digital converter
DSP = digital signal processor
DAC = digital to analog converter

(three different things)
post #40606 of 42686
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Nick, so you are saying ARC and things like the Surround Modes in the D2v operate at different sample rates according to the rate of the audio input? ONLY the DACs operate at fixed, 192 KHz?

I could have sworn we discussed this. Ah well, memory is the first thing to go.....
--Bob

Can't recall the conversation... things have been so busy that even last month can feel like a thousand years ago.

The downrezzing goes on in the DSP when required and as the D2 transformed to the D2v, so did capabilities and limitations. In the D2, ARC always processed the source at its native rate because it was never higher than 96k samples/sec. It only needed to downrez for certain surround modes that didn't work at higher than 48k samples/sec. That was then and not the case now that 192k sources are involved. Several things have changed but ARC still does its thing at twice the rate of typical room correction systems. Strictly speaking it's not a limitation of the room correction system but of how many MIPS are available from the DSP running it.

And yes, D series DACs see nothing but 192k as set up by the upsampler immediately preceding them. The idea is to have a gentler low-pass filter so aliases can be filtered out without affecting the audio range (details are in the upsampling white paper).
post #40607 of 42686
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Originally Posted by Bittornado View Post

Anyways, since I do not have a computer or lap top near my tv monitor in the living room, I was thinking of maybe acquiring a blu-ray with usb ports instead if that could work... then I'll get one of those RF/USB sticks and rount the signal through a blu-ray set. That way I would even get a blu-ray player at the same time...
I just don't know whether a blu-ray set is able to just pass an analog video signal through to the D2v? Would that really work? I mean a blu-ray player is not natively made for handling analog RF video signals...

It won't work, USB tuners don't show up as storage devices (what a BD player will use). The only thing that comes even remotely close to what you're looking for is the Oppo which has HDMI passthrough, which is pretty useless since you could just plug that into the D2V the.

Aside from putting a PC with your equipment (which is the best option, IMO), the only thing I can think of that will work without a PC is Silicondust has released firmware for some of it's models (possibly only the US CableCard ones) that include a built in DLNA server, so you can use them with devices that support DLNA (which is quite a few devices these days) for live TV.
post #40608 of 42686
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Hi guys. Everything has been working perfectly for awhile now and loving the D2v, but my brother came over and brought his PS3 (slim) to play the new game Injustice on my main HT system but we ran into one problem no sound or picture. I upgraded my projector to a new JVC X-35 late last year and has been working fine with only my Oppo BD-95 player connected. The projector didn't ship with the newer firmware which addresses a 3D ghosting issue but I have no interest in 3D so didn't ship it back to have it installed. So I unplugged the Oppo from HDMI 1 (input) after trying input 2 and got nothing but same result with the PS3. I tried low video settings on the D2v but nothing worked. I'm not entirely convinced it's the D2v as I plugged the PS3 straight into the projectors HDMI-2 and got no picture so I'm thinking it's the projector, but wouldn't the audio aspect work through the D2v regardless of this when the PS3 is connected to the D2v? My setup is simple with just the Oppo and X-35 connected to the Anthem (projector into HDMI-1 (output) and Oppo in HDMI-1 (input).

I gave up last night and just connected the PS3 to my 32" Sony tv and everything worked so had to settle with that using just the TV's speakers. If it worked with the Sony (1080p Tv and same HDMI cable) then it should have worked in my main setup. Any ideas?

After your projector is on and then your D2v, hold the power button down on the PS3 for five seconds, wait for it to detect and answer the resolution question that appears. This was the fix for me but I have the older, fat PS3.
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I am at a complete loss with ARC. I have hooked up the rs232 to a keyspan 19hs to the usb on my laptop. I have also hooked up the mic on another usb. When I run arc on the computer, the 50v shuts off, then turns on to sets to FM,display flashes a few times and I just get the error "failed to initialize wave audio capture device". I am running windows 8 and have already updated the keyspan drivers, shut off virus scan, checked the baud rate and rs232 is set to off. Anybody know what simple step I'm forgetting this time?
post #40610 of 42686
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Originally Posted by Supertaint View Post

I am at a complete loss with ARC. I have hooked up the rs232 to a keyspan 19hs to the usb on my laptop. I have also hooked up the mic on another usb. When I run arc on the computer, the 50v shuts off, then turns on to sets to FM,display flashes a few times and I just get the error "failed to initialize wave audio capture device". I am running windows 8 and have already updated the keyspan drivers, shut off virus scan, checked the baud rate and rs232 is set to off. Anybody know what simple step I'm forgetting this time?

ARC uses a portion of Windows to access the signal from the ARC mic. It is complaining that it can't get that going. In Windows 7 it was possible to install Windows without the Media components, and this would happen. The fix was to tell Windows to add those components into your Windows 7 install (which you can do without having to do a complete re-install). I don't use Windows 8 and don't know if a similar Windows configuration situation might exist there.

The other possibility is that you have some other sound input hardware (e.g., a built-in mic) which is getting in the way. For Windows 7, Anthem has a short document for how to check/correct this. I don't know if they've got that for Windows 8.

Your best bet is to call Anthem Tech Support and let them walk you through checking the ARC mic access on your Windows 8 computer. This would include things like making sure the mic cable is fully inserted at both ends and that Windows itself can actually see and access the ARC mic.

In the meantime, try going into Control Panel and Uninstalling the ARC application. Then download a fresh copy of ARC V3.0.2 from the Anthem web site and install that. If you originally installed ARC from your ARC install CD, that CD may have an older version on it. Depending on HOW old that CD is, you may also need to manually copy the two files from it which are your ARC license and your individual ARC mic calibration data file. These are on the CD where the Setup.EXE program (the installer itself) is located. They have names made up of numbers -- the serial number of your AVM 50v and the serial number of your ARC mic. Download and Unzip the ARC V3.02 install kit from the Anthem site. Go into the resulting folder a couple levels and find the Setup.EXE program. Now insert your original ARC install CD. If its installer starts up automatically, just quit out of it. Now go into the CD and find the Setup.EXE program on it, and thus the two files with the ARC license and ARC calibration data -- the two files with names made up of numbers. Copy those two files from the CD to the place in the downloaded version where you found the Setup.EXE program. Now eject the install CD; you are done with it. Finally run the Setup.EXE from the downloaded version. It will install ARC V3.0.2 and copy the two files to the right place at the same time.

You should reboot Windows after Uninstalling your current ARC and also after doing the new install.

If this is your FIRST time using ARC, it is also possible that you have a faulty mic or faulty mic cable. It's pretty rare, but it happens. Anthem Tech Support can get you warranty replacements.
--Bob
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Originally Posted by studlygoorite View Post

After your projector is on and then your D2v, hold the power button down on the PS3 for five seconds, wait for it to detect and answer the resolution question that appears. This was the fix for me but I have the older, fat PS3.

Yep did that and it didn't work as we didn't even get a picture to display to see that message (PS3 Slim). My brother also has a D2v but a Sony projector and it worked without issues for him so I'm thinking it's the JVC.
post #40612 of 42686
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Yep did that and it didn't work as we didn't even get a picture to display to see that message (PS3 Slim). My brother also has a D2v but a Sony projector and it worked without issues for him so I'm thinking it's the JVC.

I had to do it more than once to get the message up.
post #40613 of 42686
I set up the Anthem ARC for my new Anthem Statement D2V yesterday. The latest firmware for the D2V and the ARC software were installed. I used a serial to USB adaptor from Belkin that Piero at Anthem recommended. I could not get ARC to recognize the D2V using my current laptop (Dell Windows 7 Untimate OS). I had to pull out an old IBM ThinkPad with Windows xp installed and ARC worked perfectly. Why is it that ARC in 2013 cannot be used with Windows 7 (and what about Windows 8?) Windows xp is two OS behind. Is ARC usable with Windows 7? If so, what do I need to do to have it work? I won't have the old Think Pad around forever. Thanks.
post #40614 of 42686
Win 7 ARC Setup.pdf 486k .pdf file

 

 

 

 

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Originally Posted by JMJ24 View Post

I set up the Anthem ARC for my new Anthem Statement D2V yesterday. The latest firmware for the D2V and the ARC software were installed. I used a serial to USB adaptor from Belkin that Piero at Anthem recommended. I could not get ARC to recognize the D2V using my current laptop (Dell Windows 7 Untimate OS). I had to pull out an old IBM ThinkPad with Windows xp installed and ARC worked perfectly. Why is it that ARC in 2013 cannot be used with Windows 7 (and what about Windows 8?) Windows xp is two OS behind. Is ARC usable with Windows 7? If so, what do I need to do to have it work? I won't have the old Think Pad around forever. Thanks.

 

ARC and Win7 on my Dell Laptop (2008 model) works fine using the Keyspan  USB/RS232 adapter. The attached document helps running it with Win 7.

 

Does windows recognize the USB adaptor?

post #40615 of 42686
After installing the latest ARC software, it worked flawlessly on Windows 8.
post #40616 of 42686
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Originally Posted by JMJ24 View Post

I had to pull out an old IBM ThinkPad with Windows xp installed and ARC worked perfectly. I won't have the old Think Pad around forever.

Using the same adapter or real RS-232 serial port? If the latter, I would hang onto that IBM for life smile.gif
post #40617 of 42686
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Originally Posted by JMJ24 View Post

I set up the Anthem ARC for my new Anthem Statement D2V yesterday. The latest firmware for the D2V and the ARC software were installed. I used a serial to USB adaptor from Belkin that Piero at Anthem recommended. I could not get ARC to recognize the D2V using my current laptop (Dell Windows 7 Untimate OS). I had to pull out an old IBM ThinkPad with Windows xp installed and ARC worked perfectly. Why is it that ARC in 2013 cannot be used with Windows 7 (and what about Windows 8?) Windows xp is two OS behind. Is ARC usable with Windows 7? If so, what do I need to do to have it work? I won't have the old Think Pad around forever. Thanks.

The most common reason ARC doesn't work is that the USB/Serial stuff isn't working. The Keyspan (by Triplite) USA-19HS adapter is the one usually recommended, but Belkin makes good adapters, too. HOWEVER, the driver that comes packaged with the adapter may not be their latest one -- sometimes those packages last a long time on the peg before someone buys it. So go to their web site and see if there's a newer driver specifically for Windows 7. 32 vs. 64-bit Windows may need different choices of driver.

The driver aside, the OTHER problem is that sometimes the computer maker modifies the version of Windows that's pre-installed. And sometimes those modifications screw up the way the ARC application uses the USB/Serial or the USB connection to the mic. For Windows 7, a common problem is that the computer maker has pre-installed built-in mic access in a way that prevents ARC from getting to the ARC mic. That can be fixed in the Windows settings. Anthem Tech Support has a document on how to do that. Another common problem is Firewall software that apparently screws up the access to the USB/Serial. Sometimes the fix there is as simple as temporarily turning off the Firewall while you do an ARC run.

Lots of people use Windows 7 with ARC (me for instance -- a retail version of Home Edition running on a partition of my Mac), and you'll see a post just above about success with Windows 8. It's just that there are lots of ways Windows can be set up that keep ARC from working. USUALLY it's possible to cure whatever is going on in the Windows setup that's getting in the way, but that doesn't mean it's obvious or intuitive. Anthem Tech Support has been through this problem with many different Windows computers, so they can probably help you get your Dell Windows 7 setup working.

Full disclosure: I'm a Mac person, and it constantly amazes me ANY time something works on Windows....
--Bob
post #40618 of 42686
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Originally Posted by Supertaint View Post

After installing the latest ARC software, it worked flawlessly on Windows 8.

Cool! Glad you got it working.
--Bob
post #40619 of 42686
Same adaptor.
post #40620 of 42686
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

That's likely because that command is already in the Harmony definition database entry for the D2v. It's just not called Menu. It's called Sub/LFE, which is what that button does if you press and release it rather than press and hold it to bring up the on-screen Setup menu.

Use Harmony's pre-recorded definition for the Sub/LFE button as that one is specially coded to do something different when you press and hold.

You'll also find the numerical digits are in their definition using the names for the special functions they do other than just being digits. So the 9 button is in there as a pre-defined code. It just happens to be named ToneBypass instead of 9.
--Bob

How do special functions like this appear in the cheaper Harmony remotes like the 650/700 with their smaller screens? Do you have to flip through pages to get to the "menu" "status" or "mode" functions for example? I'm looking at getting a new remote and curious which one has good support for the AVM/D2v. Not limited to Logitech, actually prefer URC but not wanting to spend every night for 2 weeks programming it.
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