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post #41011 of 42690
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Originally Posted by lotron View Post

Hello

Question about 24/192 Files

I use a "Pro-Ject Stream Box DS 24bit/192 kHz highend audio streaming client " with my Statement D2.
The Coaxial-digital output from the Streamer is connected to the D2 ( i dont use the RCA outputs from the Streamer)
Everything worked fine with mp3, m4a, flac 24/96.
Today I wanted listen to high res music in 24/192, the D2 Display showed "DIGITAL" instead "PCM" and the D2 was dead silent.

Is the D2 able to playback 24/192 flac via Coaxial Digital input?


thanks,
Thomas

With a D2 and 24/192 FLAC audio files you will need to use the single ended or balanced analog output of the streamer and sett the volume output switch on the rear to fixed.
Adjust the D2 analog input in setup so you do not reach clipping
Set the D2 to Analog Direct not DSP and use the D2 volume control
Sit back and enjoy
post #41012 of 42690
Can someone explain what the deal is with the D2 video board colors?

I'm reading that the red video boards have less HDMI issues. The board in my D2 is greyish/black colored. I did notice that the HDMI switching can be a little slow when I switch cable channels. Is this an issue with my board type/color?
post #41013 of 42690
^ No. It's probably due more to the HDMI implementation in your Cable TV box. Some boxes are slow even when using Component Video when the broadcast resolution changes as you change channels.
--Bob
post #41014 of 42690
Thanks for the info Bob. So with the exception of color, i'm assuming the boards are made with the same specifications. After researching this some more, it looks like the only issue with board colors was some firmware update problems with the green ones. I guess I have nothing to worry about since mine shipped with V1.33 smile.gif
post #41015 of 42690
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Originally Posted by Shazbatz View Post

Thanks for the info Bob. So with the exception of color, i'm assuming the boards are made with the same specifications. After researching this some more, it looks like the only issue with board colors was some firmware update problems with the green ones. I guess I have nothing to worry about since mine shipped with V1.33 smile.gif

Over the history of the product, different boards were made to adjust to various changes in parts availability. From a user perspective, the functionality is the same. There was also a point where Anthem switched to a different power supply -- again a rolling change. Some older video boards won't work with the newer power supply. The color of the boards can also be a bit misleading as some colors were re-used. I don't recall any issues with firmware updates related to specific board production runs.

All of this is quite normal for a product that is in continuous production for as long as these Anthem pre-pro models. All that matters is that you have current firmware installed, not which production runs of the hardware components make up your particular unit.
--Bob
post #41016 of 42690
Quote:
Originally Posted by lotron View Post

Hello

Question about 24/192 Files

I use a "Pro-Ject Stream Box DS 24bit/192 kHz highend audio streaming client " with my Statement D2.
The Coaxial-digital output from the Streamer is connected to the D2 ( i dont use the RCA outputs from the Streamer)
Everything worked fine with mp3, m4a, flac 24/96.
Today I wanted listen to high res music in 24/192, the D2 Display showed "DIGITAL" instead "PCM" and the D2 was dead silent.

Is the D2 able to playback 24/192 flac via Coaxial Digital input?


thanks,
Thomas

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ If you really mean an original "D2" then the answer is no. It tops out at 96KHz. The newer D2v CAN handle 192KHz via HDMI, but I'm not sure it can handle that on S/PDIF inputs. Email Anthem Tech Support to check.
--Bob

For the newer D2v, I got curious about this and just tried it with a 2.0 FLAC 192KHz 24-bit test file played off a USB stick in my OPPO 105. Using Optical Digital output from the 105 (with its S/PDIF output rate limit set to 192KHz), the D2v does indeed receive and play the resulting 192KHz stereo LPCM Optical Digital input without problems.

So the limitation to 96KHz will be only for the older, original D2 and AVM 50 pre-pros.



Note that even on the D2v, if the track you are playing is copy protected -- as from a Blu-ray disc -- you won't be able to play it at high bit-rate over S/PDIF connections. But that's a limit imposed by the licensing rules for the Source device.

So for example if you play the 2.0 LPCM 192KHz 24-bit track from 2L's "The Nordic Sound", Blu-ray, via HDMI, you will get 2.0 LPCM 192KHz 24-bit input.

But if you play it via Optical Digital you will get the "compatibility track", which is all that Blu-ray licensing allows for S/PDIF output -- i.e., 48KHz.
--Bob
post #41017 of 42690
I re-ran ARC this morning w/o any add'l filtering. I then changed the target for the sub to 120 hz, re-calc'd and then uploaded. Here is the resultant chart on just the sub only....




This seems to be the best curve so far considering the room does not have any type of bass treatment. Standard suspended ceiling and paneling !


thanks
post #41018 of 42690
^ No problems with that! If the rest of the charts look as good you should be in great shape.
--Bob
post #41019 of 42690
So......am I missing anything by not putting my sub to flat? Anything truly discernible ?
post #41020 of 42690
^ Do you have a sub that's good down BELOW 20Hz? And with its own internal protection against frequencies too low for it to handle?

The bass down there is felt, not heard. As important as whether the sub is capable at all down there is whether it is properly sized for the room. It has to huff a lot of air to pressurize the room for frequencies that low.

For the most part, bass that low in frequency won't be found in music. But it WILL be found in movies. Reproducing bass that low may also reveal issues in your room -- resonances or loose fittings that cause buzzes and rattles.

But yeah, if the sub can handle it, then it's worth a try.
--Bob
post #41021 of 42690
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ If you really mean an original "D2" then the answer is no. It tops out at 96KHz. The newer D2v CAN handle 192KHz via HDMI, but I'm not sure it can handle that on S/PDIF inputs. Email Anthem Tech Support to check.
--Bob

Hello
It is a original D2 ( not a D2V). Now I know why it´s not working. I´m very happy with the D2, so i can live with this little limitation very well.
On the D2 Faceplate is a labeling " 24/192 Upsampling" so i thought it might work.


Thomas
post #41022 of 42690
Quote:
Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

With a D2 and 24/192 FLAC audio files you will need to use the single ended or balanced analog output of the streamer and sett the volume output switch on the rear to fixed.
Adjust the D2 analog input in setup so you do not reach clipping
Set the D2 to Analog Direct not DSP and use the D2 volume control
Sit back and enjoy

Quote:
Originally Posted by lotron View Post



Hello
It is a original D2 ( not a D2V). Now I know why it´s not working. I´m very happy with the D2, so i can live with this little limitation very well.
On the D2 Faceplate is a labeling " 24/192 Upsampling" so i thought it might work.


Thomas
Tom

Above I provided away around the 96hz limitation. Since we are talking about playing 2 channel stereo,which does not contain any LFE, playing it via Analog Direct will be very beneficial in the quality of the sound. With the high end music player you are using I encourage you to try it.
post #41023 of 42690
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post


For the newer D2v, I got curious about this and just tried it with a 2.0 FLAC 192KHz 24-bit test file played off a USB stick in my OPPO 105. Using Optical Digital output from the 105 (with its S/PDIF output rate limit set to 192KHz), the D2v does indeed receive and play the resulting 192KHz stereo LPCM Optical Digital input without problems.

So the limitation to 96KHz will be only for the older, original D2 and AVM 50 pre-pros.



Note that even on the D2v, if the track you are playing is copy protected -- as from a Blu-ray disc -- you won't be able to play it at high bit-rate over S/PDIF connections. But that's a limit imposed by the licensing rules for the Source device.

So for example if you play the 2.0 LPCM 192KHz 24-bit track from 2L's "The Nordic Sound", Blu-ray, via HDMI, you will get 2.0 LPCM 192KHz 24-bit input.

But if you play it via Optical Digital you will get the "compatibility track", which is all that Blu-ray licensing allows for S/PDIF output -- i.e., 48KHz.
--Bob

Bob

I would also like to encourage you and other Anthem owners to try some HiREz audio playback files other than CD, BluRay or other optical discs. This is easily done since you have an OPPO 105 that has the ESS Sabre 9018 DAC.
You can download files from various sites that can be found at http://dsd-guide.com/ or I really like the 2L site here at the 2L HiRes Download - test bench
Download them to a USB thumb drive or from a computer on the same network as your OPPO
I recommend you try the OPPO analog outputs into the D2v and use Analog Direct in the D2v to eliminate any digital conversions of these pristine audio files.
And you probably already know that OPPO has provided a recent firmware update and can now play Multichannel DSD audio.

Stew
post #41024 of 42690
^ My speaker configuration is specifically designed to have the main speakers supported by the subwoofer. That means high quality bass management is fundamental.

So I always use ARC -- even for Analog audio sources.
--Bob
post #41025 of 42690
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ My speaker configuration is specifically designed to have the main speakers supported by the subwoofer. That means high quality bass management is fundamental.

So I always use ARC -- even for Analog audio sources.
--Bob

Understandably that is a good thing in your speaker setup situation.

So since you always enjoy experimenting with new ideas change my suggestion and use Analog DSP with the analog outputs of the OPPO.

Stew
post #41026 of 42690
^ Oh, well that I do!

As a Beta Tester for the OPPO 105 I cycle between ALL the available types of output from it on a regular schedule -- even S/PDIF -- for both testing and for normal viewing.

Remember, if you use Stereo Analog input as ANALOG-DSP, also go into Setup in the D2v and raise the sampling rate for re-digitization to 96KHz. (For multi-channel Analog input, it is already there by default.)
--Bob
post #41027 of 42690
Getting ready to take the plunge for an Oppo BDP-103 - wasn't sure which forum to post this in (especially since Bob frequents both), but this Anthem thread has become my home.

Am I better off using the video processing in the Oppo vs my AVM50? I'm thinking the Oppo is more advanced. Also, will it video-process an external HDMI source (e.g., my STB?)

I'm planning on using the Anthem (w/ factory ARC) for all my audio processing, so if I will be using the Oppo for video processing, I'll connect HDMI1 to the display and HDMI2 to the Anthem.

Thanks,

- Mark
post #41028 of 42690
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Do you have a sub that's good down BELOW 20Hz? And with its own internal protection against frequencies too low for it to handle?

The bass down there is felt, not heard. As important as whether the sub is capable at all down there is whether it is properly sized for the room. It has to huff a lot of air to pressurize the room for frequencies that low.

For the most part, bass that low in frequency won't be found in music. But it WILL be found in movies. Reproducing bass that low may also reveal issues in your room -- resonances or loose fittings that cause buzzes and rattles.

But yeah, if the sub can handle it, then it's worth a try.
--Bob
I have 5 Hsu Uls15s that are capable of going below 20 but do not have their own internal protection.
post #41029 of 42690
^ I'm surprised Dr Hsu would design a sub that didn't protect it self especially one flat to 16hz. Have you checked with them?
post #41030 of 42690
I did a few months ago and I asked him about any limitations. I was trying to find the email but I cannot. He said something to the effect that it would even attempt to play 5hz ( at some level ) and that there was no built in protection.
post #41031 of 42690
^ Then do *NOT* use Flat as there's potential to damage the subwoofer.
--Bob
post #41032 of 42690
That sucks. I hate to think I'm missing out frown.gif
post #41033 of 42690
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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ Then do *NOT* use Flat as there's potential to damage the subwoofer.
--Bob

Would the flat setting be OK with Paradigm sub 25?
post #41034 of 42690
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Originally Posted by turk 182 View Post

Would the flat setting be OK with Paradigm sub 25?
Yes, there's no problem with using the Flat Setting with the Paradigm Sub 25.
post #41035 of 42690
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Originally Posted by wingnut4772 View Post

That sucks. I hate to think I'm missing out frown.gif

You might want to contact and confirm the power and frequency handling capabilities. I know Dr Hsu and he designs the subs with a lot of power handling and few restrictions.
post #41036 of 42690
"Test" Firmware V3.10 -- a "Release Candidate" -- now on Anthem's Password Protected Download Page

Anthem has posted "test" firmware v3.10 for the D2v and AVM 50v (including /3D variants) on their password protected download page. This one is marked as a "Release Candidate", meaning there's a good chance it will become the "Official" firmware release shortly, unless new issues are spotted and reported soon.

Release notes for changes since the prior, Official release (v3.09) now read as follows:

Quote:
CHANGE LIST

v3.10 release candidate

1. Rotating knob very quickly caused front panel display to freeze - fixed.


v3.09l beta

1. Fixed issue where Dolby Pro Logic IIx Music was not available for 2-channel 24/192 input.


v3.09j beta

1. Fixed serial control issue where Zone 2 had no audio if powering on to tuner.

2. Fixed AVM 50v issue where noise was present when playing 176.4 kHz source.


v3.09h release candidate:

1. When Dolby TrueHD 2-channel source was playing, a surround upmix mode couldn't be selected - fixed.

2. False "No Input Signal" status info when receiving 2-channel input - fixed.

3. "Last Used" mode preset reverted to "None" under certain conditions - fixed.

4. Previous DTS changes now certified.


v3.09f beta:

1. Output channel count was displayed incorrectly when 6-ch analog input was selected - fixed.

2. Further DTS-required changes.

Known issue: When Dolby TrueHD 2-channel source is selected, a surround upmix mode can't be selected.


v3.09c beta:

1. Fixed bug where AVM 50v sometimes powered on with low volume.

2. DTS-required changes for pending certification. Previous release where surround remapping was disabled for all speaker configurations did not meet all requirements.


Now, even though this is a "Release Candidate", do keep in mind that it is not quite Official YET, and thus may still come with unpleasant surprises perhaps requiring you to roll back to prior firmware. Do not install "test" firmware unless you are OK with that.
--Bob
post #41037 of 42690
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Originally Posted by AVfile View Post

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

I really don't know what the delay is in declaring any of the recent "Test" releases as "Official". Usually, the hold up would be obvious -- some known issue already discussed here and still pending a fix.

But at this point, I don't know of any issues beyond the typical, "Gee, couldn't the HDMI handshakes be faster/better?", that's been bandied about here.

The video output config is currently undefined when powering up "3D" models in pass-through mode. This results in two problems:
  1. No audio or audio dropouts when display is turned off.
  2. Unexpected video output format when entering SETUP menu, possibly incompatible with the display.

I'm told "they're working on it".

I don't see this mentioned in the Change List for the new, v3.10 firmware "Release Candidate". Sometimes fixes get inserted without being mentioned in the Change List. You may want to install the "test" v3.10 and check this one, and/or get in touch with Anthem on the status of it.
--Bob
post #41038 of 42690
Installed "test" firmware v3.10 (Release Candidate). No problems. Re-Uploaded my existing ARC solution (as is my usual practice).

It passes all my initial "sanity" checks.
--Bob
post #41039 of 42690
Great news, thanks Bob !!
post #41040 of 42690
I shot Hsu Support an email just to verify and they said it was better to choose the default setting where the frequencies roll off. :-/
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