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Originally Posted by spiderv6 View Post

Downloading a torrent of a movie that you haven't paid for is illegal. Even if you were just "testing something".

I pay for all the movies I buy, and they are more expensive than they should be because other people steal them.

We should not support anyone who freely admits to doing this.

My 2c...........................

+1
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Originally Posted by spiderv6 View Post

Downloading a torrent of a movie that you haven't paid for is illegal. Even if you were just "testing something".

I pay for all the movies I buy, and they are more expensive than they should be because other people steal them.

We should not support anyone who freely admits to doing this.

My 2c...........................

3 CHEERS and 3 THUMBS UP ^^^ for spiderv6 smile.gifsmile.gifsmile.gif
post #41283 of 42695
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Originally Posted by gerard1meehan View Post

The disk was Doctor Who season. 5. It seems it is disk specific as other blu rays come up correctly

Audio on the box says DTS HD 5.1

Interesting
According to the review at Blu-ray.com, >>The Complete Fifth Series also features a brawny DTS-HD High Resolution 5.1 surround track (at 2.0Mbps)<< That's basically standard DTS (as on DVD) with an extension stream option that increases bitrate.
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Originally Posted by Roger Dressler View Post

According to the review at Blu-ray.com, >>The Complete Fifth Series also features a brawny DTS-HD High Resolution 5.1 surround track (at 2.0Mbps)<< That's basically standard DTS (as on DVD) with an extension stream option that increases bitrate.

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Originally Posted by gerard1meehan View Post

I just might send it. A friend has a laptop with a blu ray player and I will try that.

But I watched disk 4 of season 5 last night and the same results. I double checked everything. When I press the select button it displays:

DTS-HD-Low Bit Rate
48 nps



If I turn on Secondary Audio is just says DTS with no HD prefix after it. I did look on the publisher’s web page and nothing. I have watched this disk many times before and it did not come up with DTS-HD-LBR. I am curious that since I am using a Beta Firmwear that includes the new “DTS” authentications that it might be the reason behind the new listing

I am still willing to test it, We have similar systems and we may be able to find out why the disc is troublesome.

Stew
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Originally Posted by spiderv6 View Post

Downloading a torrent of a movie that you haven't paid for is illegal. Even if you were just "testing something".

I pay for all the movies I buy, and they are more expensive than they should be because other people steal them.

We should not support anyone who freely admits to doing this.

My 2c...........................

Please don't be a hypocrite. I was not born yesterday. "Anyone who has no sin in their life should step forward and throw the first stone" I hope you know this phrase...

I already asked the moderator to delete that reply and asked sorry about it. What else do you want?Its just a small mistake and you want to stage a skirmish here?

We should be enjoying our gears and not judging people.

I don't want to derail anymore this very nice thread who help people and love Anthem gears.

Peace.....
Edited by pinoy ako - 8/4/13 at 5:38pm
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I wouldn't waste any more time or bandwidth downloading files of unknown origin. You should be able to pickup the disc for $5-10 in a bargain bin. Make your own MKV if you must. Then report back.
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Originally Posted by pinoy ako View Post

I am not adjusting any level trim on the remote. its all 0 DB...anyway I think mr kris deering provide an info about iron man 1...I will try my other movies with Doby True-HD if they have the same issue and report back. Thanks.

I'll have to try this disc again, but I don't recall having to turn up the volume like you said (is this the only problem with the sound?) and I used to play it for demos.
post #41288 of 42695
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post


I am still willing to test it, We have similar systems and we may be able to find out why the disc is troublesome.

Stew

Stew,

Of course my friend with the laptop never stopped by. But You mentioned in a previous post you have the Blu ray " Complete Specials" . I tested those disks as well and I got the same results. If you could take a look at those disks it would probably give us an answer. I also tried the Region B of series 6, and the same LBR. Perhaps Bob is correct and it is a DTS authoring issue.
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Originally Posted by gerard1meehan View Post

Stew,

Of course my friend with the laptop never stopped by. But You mentioned in a previous post you have the Blu ray " Complete Specials" . I tested those disks as well and I got the same results. If you could take a look at those disks it would probably give us an answer. I also tried the Region B of series 6, and the same LBR. Perhaps Bob is correct and it is a DTS authoring issue.

Check PM
post #41290 of 42695
I recently replaced my D2 with a used D2v.
Both had ARC kits with their own mics and associated calibration file discs.
Attachments #1 & #2 are my old D2 ARC run. #3 & #4 are my new ARC run with the new mic.
There have been no changes to the room, speakers, speaker positions, amp or room treatments. I ran at the same 5 mic positions-- at least as close as is humanly possible. Everything was the same except the D2/D2v and the mics.
I ran ARC using all the suggested instructions. I have had ARC since it first came out and have gotten pretty good at it, and know what I'm doing. I'm no Bob, but I'm no slob.

With the new mic there is a 10+ db dip at 11khz.
With the old mic there is a much smaller dip at 12khz. This dip is acceptable to me due to the directionality of sound at that range, but I think the huge dip with the new mic may be due to a defective mic.

I know there have been others that had bad mics. Did your charts look similar to #1 & #2 ??
Did Anthem replace your mics ??

Tom arc.eq1.4movie1.JPG 173k .JPG file arc.eq1.4movie2.JPG 90k .JPG file newmic.1.JPG 171k .JPG file newmic.2.JPG 172k .JPG file
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That is a pretty massive difference. It looks like your sub measurements are considerably different as well. I'd PM Nick and see what he thinks.
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Originally Posted by Kris Deering View Post

That is a pretty massive difference. It looks like your sub measurements are considerably different as well. I'd PM Nick and see what he thinks.

Kris,
The difference in the sub response is most likely due to the fact that I was using the SVS AS-EQ1 prior to running ARC to correct my dual subs.
Since the sub is treated as one in ARC I don't think the AS-EQ1 would have any effect on that dip at 11khz.
But it does show what the Audyssey type of dual sub room correction can do. And, yes, I still think the next generation of Anthems should have multi-sub correction included in ARC.

I contacted Anthem tech with my charts and although they wouldn't admit that the mic was bad, they did admit that there had been problems with some mics and said I could order a new mic for $50.
Since I bought the D2v used, it wasn't covered under warrantee, even though the ARC unit was not used by the prior owner. Personally, I don't understand why someone would not use ARC, but it came unopened.
Unfortunately the $50 price was wrong. They cost $200. But $200 is a more realistic price. Just wish Anthem had replaced a mic that was obviously defective. But they didn't have to, and they didn't.
Just hope the new mic has been checked out properly and works correctly.

Tom
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

Kris,
The difference in the sub response is most likely due to the fact that I was using the SVS AS-EQ1 prior to running ARC to correct my dual subs.
Since the sub is treated as one in ARC I don't think the AS-EQ1 would have any effect on that dip at 11khz.
But it does show what the Audyssey type of dual sub room correction can do. And, yes, I still think the next generation of Anthems should have multi-sub correction included in ARC.

I contacted Anthem tech with my charts and although they wouldn't admit that the mic was bad, they did admit that there had been problems with some mics and said I could order a new mic for $50.
Since I bought the D2v used, it wasn't covered under warrantee, even though the ARC unit was not used by the prior owner. Personally, I don't understand why someone would not use ARC, but it came unopened.
Unfortunately the $50 price was wrong. They cost $200. But $200 is a more realistic price. Just wish Anthem had replaced a mic that was obviously defective. But they didn't have to, and they didn't.
Just hope the new mic has been checked out properly and works correctly.

Tom

Tom

What do you have the HF cutoff in your targets set at ? 5 KHZ ?

I am curious to see what the new mic does to the HF response. Please post your new charts and let us know how it performs.

Stew
Edited by thestewman - 8/6/13 at 11:02pm
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Originally Posted by thestewman View Post

Tom

What do you have the HF cutoff in your targets set at ? 5 KHZ ?

I am curious to see what the new mic does to the HF response. Please post your new charts and let us know how it performs.

Stew

Yes, I usually leave the max eq at 5khz, but sometimes like to tweak it up. But it was set at 5khz for these charts. The only setting I changed was to set the sub to 'flat'.

I'm also very curious to see what the new mic does.
I'll post charts when I do the new ARC run.

Tom
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Originally Posted by tngiloy View Post

Yes, I usually leave the max eq at 5khz, but sometimes like to tweak it up. But it was set at 5khz for these charts. The only setting I changed was to set the sub to 'flat'.

I'm also very curious to see what the new mic does.
I'll post charts when I do the new ARC run.

Tom

Tom
I just looked at my old ARC charts and I have a drop, not as steep, at about 12-15 KHZ.
Maybe this is ARC software related to the 5 KHZ cutoff ?
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I'm thinking about selling my D2 and moving up to a D2V. Would a 50v be on par or better than a D2 or should I save up my pennies for a D2V? An anthem dealer told me that the 50v would be a downgrade from a D2. Just wondering what you guys thought.

Also how much more superior is the D2v over a D2? The 8 hdmi's are attractive and so is the Dolby hd.
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Originally Posted by porschetech View Post

I'm thinking about selling my D2 and moving up to a D2V. Would a 50v be on par or better than a D2 or should I save up my pennies for a D2V? An anthem dealer told me that the 50v would be a downgrade from a D2. Just wondering what you guys thought.

Also how much more superior is the D2v over a D2? The 8 hdmi's are attractive and so is the Dolby hd.

There's been very little posted comparing the D2 vs. the AVM 50v, but those that have posted agree the D2 sounds better and the AVM 50v produces better video.

I switched from a D2 to a D2v (many Moons ago), expecting video improvements but NOT expecting audio improvements and was shocked at how easy it was for me to hear audio improvements. (Using ARC in both cases.)

The D2v also adds HDMI input up to 7.1 channels and up to 192KHz 24-bit. The D2 is limited to 5.1 and 96KHz for HDMI input.

I'm assuming you have ARC for your D2. If not, you are REALLY missing out.
--Bob
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Oh ok that's good news to hear, but hopefully prices will come down slightly as the D2V is still a lil bit out of my price range. Hopefully one day I'll be able to experience the enhancements that many have had going to a D2V.

You're gonna hate me for this. I have the arc kit.......brand new in box and I still haven't got round to setting it up. Blasphemy!!!!!!
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Originally Posted by porschetech View Post

You're gonna hate me for this. I have the arc kit.......brand new in box and I still haven't got round to setting it up. Blasphemy!!!!!!

If you USE ARC - you might experience a NEW D2
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Originally Posted by drhankz View Post

If you USE ARC - you might experience a NEW D2

I'll try it this weekend then. Any tips for setting up?
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Hi all. Ever since I sold my SVS Sub EQ unit and put 100% faith that ARC would perform the same result, I've been reading allot about the Anti-mode seen here:

http://www.deephzaudio.com/anti-mode%208033%20auto%20sub%20equalizer%20product%20page.html

I'm currently running 2 Seaton Submersives with one in the front right of the room (not in the corner) and one in the back opposite corner of the room and in the corner which produced the best result for my room and I've tried many configurations. My question is would I benefit from using the Anti-Mode either the 8033S-11 or the new model which has XLR's called Anti-Mode 2.0 Duel Core and then running ARC (D2v). I need some advice before considering purchasing one. I would love to borrow one just to see if it makes any improvements in the LFE.
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I was wondering, my HT is in a pretty large space open to the rest of the house. Would bouncing up the room gain be any advantage for me as I don't really have a 'room' per se. 2 of my subs are located in the only corners of the space ( my avatar ). I was just curious how that worked. Thanks.
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^ ARC's starting point is to measure and preserve the inherent Room Gain in the room (within reason) which means that natural, lower frequency events occurring in the room, such as doors closing, sound the same as the same events recorded faithfully on a track.

However, larger rooms or rooms with extensive bass treatment will have low, or no Room Gain.

Movie mixers tend to assume listening rooms will be smaller and with a Room Gain in the 2-4dB range. So if your Measured Room Gain is less than 2dB, you might want to try raising it to 2dB in Targets (then re-Calculate and re-Upload).

There is no such consensus among folks who mix music, but one typical Rule of Thumb is to use a little less Room Gain for music.

Keep in mind that adjusting the Room Gain value in Targets changes what ARC is trying to achieve with the solution. So you should check the charts to make sure you haven't pushed ARC into a corner where it can no longer adequately correct the bass for speakers and sub. That will also depend on whether you've fiddled with ARC's choice of Cutoff/Crossover frequencies of course, or diverted correction resources higher up by raising Max EQ Frequency. The point is to play around a bit as a small change in Room Gain probably won't be something you hear, but it can make all the difference to whether ARC can adequately correct the bass.

For example if you have a dip near the Crossover frequencies, ARC has to apply boost to fill that dip. But to protect your speakers/amps ARC won't push more than 6dB of boost into that dip. Now if your raise Room Gain, one of the consequences is that you have just made that dip DEEPER (i.e. made the desired Target level higher), and that may put you beyond what ARC will push into that dip.

(The better solution of course is to reposition speakers or improve the bass response of your room with room treatments to minimize that dip and give ARC more room to maneuver.)

On the charts, you'll see Room Gain as the shallow hump in the Target curves at and below the Crossover region. The Room Gain value is nothing more complicated than the height of the peak of that hump (in dB) over the "basic volume level" of the solution -- which you'll spot in the flat part of the mid-range frequencies to the right of the Crossovers. Raising or lowering Room Gain has the exact audible effect that you would expect from the change in the shape of that shallow hump. As you'll see, changes of +/- 1dB are hard to see on the charts, and likely just as hard to hear.

In my case, I use the Music solution for stereo music listening, and the movie solution for everything else. As such, I play multi-channel music using the movie solution. I tweaked Room Gain in my movie solution as part of "improving" the Calculated curves -- a small change from what ARC itself chose. And then for music Room Gain, I subtracted 1dB from that. (3.5dB and 2.5dB respectively, as it turns out.) I'm not sure the change for music is actually making my stereo music sound better, but it made me feel good to do that, and that's all that really matters.
--Bob
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^
Bob,
Like you I do separate movie and music runs in ARC since I use 5.1 for movies and 2.1 for music.

Arc has always set a lower room gain for music, usually about 1db, and I've wondered if that was because of the difference in the number of speakers, or if ARC sets music room gain lower automatically.
In other word, if I were to uncheck the 'same as movie' box (which I do), but still run a 5.1 speaker setup for music, would ARC still lower the room gain for music ??

I've always liked the lower room gain for music, so I've always left it there. Just wondering if ARC automatically chooses a lower room gain for music.

Tom
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^ My understanding is that ARC does NOTHING DIFFERENT in building the Music and Movie solutions, or in executing those results during listening, except for stuff that you, yourself have made different -- e.g., different number of speakers during Measurement. As I've said many times the Music and Movie names are simply names of convenience for two solutions which you can use any way you want. They might just as well have been named Fred and Ethel.

In your case I presume the difference in Measured Room Gain is due to the fewer number of speakers ARC recorded for the Music Measurement pass. I.e., less data pushing the answer one way or the other. (Not including Center being probably the biggest change in what ARC hears for this.)

By the way, although I have run separate passes for Movie and Music in the past, I don't do that any more. I run the Movie pass only, then uncheck Same As in Music and disable the Center speaker AFTER Measurement. (Put "N" in the Center Cutoff value --- for No Speaker.) I build the Music solution as 4.1 (no Center). Then for listening, I have my default audio mode for stereo music content set to Stereo -- i.e., output on LF/RF/Sub only.

But if I want to light up the Surrounds, I can change that on the fly to, say, PLIIx, because the data for the Surrounds is built into the solution. In either case Center is silent because I excluded it from the solution for better front stage separation.
--Bob
Edited by Bob Pariseau - 8/9/13 at 4:22pm
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Originally Posted by SimonNo10 View Post

Hi all. Ever since I sold my SVS Sub EQ unit and put 100% faith that ARC would perform the same result, I've been reading allot about the Anti-mode seen here:

http://www.deephzaudio.com/anti-mode%208033%20auto%20sub%20equalizer%20product%20page.html

I'm currently running 2 Seaton Submersives with one in the front right of the room (not in the corner) and one in the back opposite corner of the room and in the corner which produced the best result for my room and I've tried many configurations. My question is would I benefit from using the Anti-Mode either the 8033S-11 or the new model which has XLR's called Anti-Mode 2.0 Duel Core and then running ARC (D2v). I need some advice before considering purchasing one. I would love to borrow one just to see if it makes any improvements in the LFE.

I believe you made a big mistake selling your AS-EQ1 unit. The Anti-mode, as its name implies only deals with predominant room modes(peaks and valleys). The EQ1 does much more, including time/phase alignment of multiple subs. I believe its the only product on the market that does that function so far.

 

- David

 

PS

Nice subs though!smile.gif

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Originally Posted by Bob Pariseau View Post

^ My understanding is that ARC does NOTHING DIFFERENT in building the Music and Movie solutions, or in executing those results during listening, except for stuff that you, yourself have made different -- e.g., different number of speakers during Measurement. As I've said many times the Music and Movie names are simply names of convenience for two solutions which you can use any way you want. They might just as well have been named Fred and Ethel.

In your case I presume the difference in Measured Room Gain is due to the fewer number of speakers ARC recorded for the Music Measurement pass. I.e., less data pushing the answer one way or the other. (Not including Center being probably the biggest change in what ARC hears for this.)

By the way, although I have run separate passes for Movie and Music in the past, I don't do that any more. I run the Movie pass only, then uncheck Same As in Music and disable the Center speaker AFTER Measurement. (Put "N" in the Center Cutoff value --- for No Speaker.) I build the Music solution as 4.1 (no Center). Then for listening, I have my default audio mode for stereo music content set to Stereo -- i.e., output on LF/RF/Sub only.

But if I want to light up the Surrounds, I can change that on the fly to, say, PLIIx, because the data for the Surrounds is built into the solution. In either case Center is silent because I excluded it from the solution for better front stage separation.
--Bob

 

Bob:

 

Since you cutout the center in your configurations, then what happens to all that center channel info? What happens to the bass since that channel is often loaded with bass as well?

 

 

- David

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^ I only use that Music ARC solution when listening to 2.0 music content, so there is no Center content to worry about.

However, if I played multi-channel content in that configuration, any Center content would go equally to LF/RF. There is no separate Crossover for Center since there is no Center. Instead the Crossover for LF/RF kicks in and steers bass appropriately to my Subwoofer, just as it does for any normal LF/RF content.
--Bob
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^ Bob, as always your explanations are quite illuminating. And timely too, as it turns out - I just today re-ran ARC, with separate runs for Movie and Music (for which I use 2.1) , and as I was doing so, I was wondering if that were really necessary. And now I know it is not and, in fact, it would make it easy to change (for instance) to 4.1 as you have done and re-upload.

But I did discover after reading your posts, it seems I have to run ARC first with Music set to "Same as Movie" - i.e., I can't go back and check "Same as Movie" and get those surround values over into the Music setting, and then uncheck it and have it retain those values for the surrounds - they just go back to "No speaker".

Hopefully what I'm saying makes sense - am I missing something?

- Mark
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Originally Posted by dmusoke View Post

I believe you made a big mistake selling your AS-EQ1 unit. The Anti-mode, as its name implies only deals with predominant room modes(peaks and valleys). The EQ1 does much more, including time/phase alignment of multiple subs. I believe its the only product on the market that does that function so far.

- David

PS
Nice subs though!smile.gif

Read this mate:

http://www.stereophile.com/content/music-round-57-page-2

He makes mention in comparing the AS-EQ1 to the Antimode and says Quote:

"As a subwoofer room equalizer, the Anti-Mode 2.0 is as potent as the SVSound AS-EQ1 ($799, now discontinued; see my September 2009 column, or its sister under the skin, Audyssey's Sub Equalizer ($799; see my January 2010 column), but provides infinitely more tweakability. The DSPeaker Anti-Mode 2.0 may be a small and unprepossessing black box, but for $1099, its performance and power are huge"
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